Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 148: Don't Sexually Assault People

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You guys need to be more like Corrik, bang first and kiss later
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Espeon posted...

Sephys point is right.

new sig.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

You guys need to be more like Corrik, bang first and kiss later

What
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no kisses til you turn in your man card at the ceremony ^5
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Don't think I've ever leaned fast enough to not allow a woman proper time to react.

I've been on the receiving end of a Al Franken though which was not enjoyable.
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Corrik posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

You guys need to be more like Corrik, bang first and kiss later

What

You once said that you've banged more girls than you've kissed, which didn't make sense to me.
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Hookers don't let you kiss them.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Don't think I've ever leaned fast enough to not allow a woman proper time to react.

I've been on the receiving end of a Al Franken though which was not enjoyable.

I will respond in more depth to this when I get home, but for now, I apologize for any overly hostile attitudes Ive exhibited during this debate.
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I'm pretty careful (beta) and I can only think of a few times when I leaned in quickly. One of them, I'm married to now.
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I know we've now switched conversations entirely, but if I hadn't gone in hard I wouldn't be with my girlfriend of three years.
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kevwaffles posted...

Hookers don't let you kiss them.

Yes they do.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

If a single incident unwanted kissing and inappropriate joking are enough to warrant termination of employment, then 80% of men (myself included) would be out of work.

Ummmm

What?

Have you never misread a situation and kissed a girl who wasn't really into you? I know it's different than forcing someone like Franken did, but where do we draw the line?

I have thought about this from time to time. Not this molestation bullshit... but like. Making a move on a chick. And how girls were generally under bombardment.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

kevwaffles posted...

Hookers don't let you kiss them.

Yes they do.

Hookers in Westerns don't let you kiss them.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

kevwaffles posted...

Hookers don't let you kiss them.

Yes they do.

Not on the lips. Pop culture wouldn't lie!
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

kevwaffles posted...

Hookers don't let you kiss them.

Yes they do.

Hookers don't let Corrik kiss them.
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I don't know about professional hookers but I can confirm that strippers in private rooms let you kiss them, if that counts.
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If I hadn't read the whole topic I'd be *really* confused as to how you guys ended up on strippers and prostitutes
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

If a single incident unwanted kissing and inappropriate joking are enough to warrant termination of employment, then 80% of men (myself included) would be out of work.

Ummmm

What?

Have you never misread a situation and kissed a girl who wasn't really into you? I know it's different than forcing someone like Franken did, but where do we draw the line?

I havent, no. I am admittedly very inexperienced but still.

Can we draw the line at tongue? Can we at least agree that you shouldnt misread a situation badly enough that you steal first base?

You cant steal first base anyway.
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And it entirely depends on the sex worker.

Anyone offering a GFE (girl friend experience) for sure offers kissing

Some arent comfortable with it because its how theyve drawn their mental line between acts of work and acts of love.
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...how does everyone here know so much about prostitutes?
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I know from experience. I live in an area so fertile for sex workers that its a sex monger travel destination. Cant speak for everyone else.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

...how does everyone here know so much about prostitutes?

*thinking emoji*
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Okay, now...

Rock, with that previous admission, your attitude makes a lot more sense. Al Franken's actions hit a lot closer to home for you and you don't like the notion of treating those actions lightly. That's fair.

However, whether you intend it or not, your words (and the words of other liberals with a similar "RESIGN!" mindset) ARE creating a false equivalency between Al Franken's actions and the actions of Roy Moore. Just look at Ulti's response "Rock is being consistent. He wants both out if the accusations against Moore are true." I.E. There's no real proof against Moore, but if he did it, then Franken should receive the same punishment, because they're the same. I fully expect Moore's plummeting poll numbers to shoot up again because of this sort of argument.
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Corrik posted...

Franken shouldn't resign at all. He made jokes in poor taste. Hardly disqualifies him from public office.

look at this liberal Democrat bullshit, stop sweeping this away just because he's team blue smh
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Ok, I'm curious. What in the hell is the PC answer for something like this?
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kevwaffles posted...

Ok, I'm curious. What in the hell is the PC answer for something like this?

For what?
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I'm talking to Ulti.
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Inviso posted...

Rock, with that previous admission, your attitude makes a lot more sense. Al Franken's actions hit a lot closer to home for you and you don't like the notion of treating those actions lightly. That's fair.

Nothing about my encounter lacked consent. I was uncomfortable because the physical act wasn't comfortable. It didn't stop the make-out session nor the subsequent sexual encounter.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Inviso posted...

Rock, with that previous admission, your attitude makes a lot more sense. Al Franken's actions hit a lot closer to home for you and you don't like the notion of treating those actions lightly. That's fair.

Nothing about my encounter lacked consent. I was uncomfortable because the physical act wasn't comfortable. It didn't stop the make-out session nor the subsequent sexual encounter.

O...kay then I'm back to being confused at your outrage.
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Inviso posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Inviso posted...

Rock, with that previous admission, your attitude makes a lot more sense. Al Franken's actions hit a lot closer to home for you and you don't like the notion of treating those actions lightly. That's fair.

Nothing about my encounter lacked consent. I was uncomfortable because the physical act wasn't comfortable. It didn't stop the make-out session nor the subsequent sexual encounter.

O...kay then I'm back to being confused at your outrage.

You're confused as to why I'm against sexual assault?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Inviso posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Inviso posted...

Rock, with that previous admission, your attitude makes a lot more sense. Al Franken's actions hit a lot closer to home for you and you don't like the notion of treating those actions lightly. That's fair.

Nothing about my encounter lacked consent. I was uncomfortable because the physical act wasn't comfortable. It didn't stop the make-out session nor the subsequent sexual encounter.

O...kay then I'm back to being confused at your outrage.

You're confused as to why I'm against sexual assault?

I'm confused as to why you're willing to throw Al Franken under the bus with the same intensity you're willing to show towards Roy Moore, despite a clear divide in the severity of what they've both done.
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Once again, Franken shouldn't be a senator.

Moore should be in jail.

Why are we arguing in this circle again?
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-panel-interested-in-russians-request-for-meeting-with-trump-during-campaign/

More Russians met with Kushner I guess?
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Like, I'm perfectly comfortable with a removed Franken going on to write books, make TV and movie appearances, do comedy acts, etc. There's perfectly good options for him if he was to resign from office.

I wouldn't want Moore within 100 yards of any nearby high schools or malls.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Like, I'm perfectly comfortable with a removed Franken going on to write books, make TV and movie appearances, do comedy acts, etc. There's perfectly good options for him if he was to resign from office.

I wouldn't want Moore within 100 yards of any nearby middle schools or malls.

so what I'm hearing here, is, a career as a middle school teacher would be A-OK.
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dowolf posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Like, I'm perfectly comfortable with a removed Franken going on to write books, make TV and movie appearances, do comedy acts, etc. There's perfectly good options for him if he was to resign from office.

I wouldn't want Moore within 100 yards of any nearby middle schools or malls.

so what I'm hearing here, is, a career as a middle school teacher would be A-OK.

As someone who's mom was a middle school teacher, I assume that's probably punishment enough for him.
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Also why did you change my statement to middle schools?
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Yeah I agree people holding political office should be held to higher moral standards if at all possible. Granted this is also true of middle school teachers! But I understand rock's viewpoint completely here.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Like, I'm perfectly comfortable with a removed Franken going on to write books, make TV and movie appearances, do comedy acts, etc. There's perfectly good options for him if he was to resign from office.

I wouldn't want Moore within 100 yards of any nearby high schools or malls.

Why? If you're gonna set a baseline of "You should lose your job, regardless of the severity of your offense", then WHY are you okay with him still finding any kind of outside work?
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he did say he would be okay with him being a senator, only if he resigned and then was elected again

but not just re-elected
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Lopen posted...

Yeah I don't get why people hold political office shouldn't be held to higher moral standards if at all possible. Granted this is also true of middle school teachers! But I understand rock's viewpoint completely here.

I mean, they should, but as I feel like I just keep posting about here, they won't simply because the standard has already been set with Clarence Thomas, even if that really shouldn't be the standard.
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It's a good ideal but yeah you're probably right. Rock's arguing shoulds and not wills though.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Also why did you change my statement to middle schools?

because I was originally going to do a "FTFY" joke, then decided to not, but had already changed your quote and forgot to un-change it.
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Inviso posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Like, I'm perfectly comfortable with a removed Franken going on to write books, make TV and movie appearances, do comedy acts, etc. There's perfectly good options for him if he was to resign from office.

I wouldn't want Moore within 100 yards of any nearby high schools or malls.

Why? If you're gonna set a baseline of "You should lose your job, regardless of the severity of your offense", then WHY are you okay with him still finding any kind of outside work?

Because anyone that would hire him going forward for whatever role knows what he did and can make a judgement accordingly. He got his current job without disclosing this event, so it's more than fair to him to lose it. And now that the event is public along with an apology, I'm perfectly fine with people who would want to hire him to write books or make TV appearances going forward.
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Lopen posted...

It's a good ideal but yeah you're probably right. Rock's arguing shoulds and not wills though.

Yeah, I have no illusions of what actually will happen. A lot of people holding office shouldn't be. And it's a large reason why people have absolutely no faith in congress.
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TheRock1525 posted...

He got his current job without disclosing this event, so it's more than fair to him to lose it.

This is where I think some people are getting hung up

It sounds like a non-black/white issue that he presumably didn't know was a problem to disclose in the first place, so treating it as a "He didn't disclose it so shame on him" the same as Moore, who knowingly broke the law, is a bit silly.
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FFDragon posted...

he did say he would be okay with him being a senator, only if he resigned and then was elected again

but not just re-elected

Well that's the reasonable way to look at it.

Don't you think if this information had come to light earlier, he may have never been elected to begin with? Therefore you can't assume that he would have job even with this controversy, so it makes sense for him to resign and run in 2020 with all his sins laid bare.
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I just think you're being too strict in your interpretation of what actions deserve what punishments, and it feels FAR over-the-top given the actuality of the situation that transpired. Your whole "he knew about this so he should've disclosed it during his campaign" spiel feels unbelievably rigid and unfair, particularly if it left no impact and he had no reason to think it was a big deal until Tweeden went public about how much it upset her.
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StealThisSheen posted...

It sounds like a non-black/white issue that he presumably didn't know was a problem to disclose in the first place, so treating it as a "He didn't disclose it so shame on him" the same as Moore, who knowingly broke the law, is a bit silly.

I. Am. Not. Treating. It. The. Same. As. Moore.

Jesus fucking Christ do I need to bold it?

I. Am. Not. Treating. It. The. Same. As. Moore.

Now all caps.

I. AM. NOT. TREATING. IT. THE. SAME. AS. MOORE.

Now all caps and bold.

I. AM. NOT. TREATING. IT. THE. SAME. AS. MOORE.

OK, do you get it now? Can we stop accusing me of something I'm literally not doing?
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