Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 148: Don't Sexually Assault People

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Espeon 11/17/17 12:58:30 PM #101:	TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... Thats a denial without undermining the #metoo movement. Cmon man,this stubbornness is EXACTLY the problem Im talking about with Dems. So you're assuming she's lying. Im assuming she remembers the event differently than Franken and neither one is lying. So we're going with the Kevin Spacey argument. Until more allegations come out that show a pattern of predatory behavior? Yes. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:890571254] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Thats a denial without undermining the #metoo movement. Cmon man,this stubbornness is EXACTLY the problem Im talking about with Dems.</quote> So you're assuming she's lying.</quote> Im assuming she remembers the event differently than Franken and neither one is lying.</quote> So we're going with the Kevin Spacey argument.</quote> Until more allegations come out that show a pattern of predatory behavior? Yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 12:59:30 PM #102:	Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... Thats a denial without undermining the #metoo movement. Cmon man,this stubbornness is EXACTLY the problem Im talking about with Dems. So you're assuming she's lying. Im assuming she remembers the event differently than Franken and neither one is lying. So we're going with the Kevin Spacey argument. Until more allegations come out that show a pattern of predatory behavior? Yes. Well we have a second accuser coming forward with stalking allegations. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890571317] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Thats a denial without undermining the #metoo movement. Cmon man,this stubbornness is EXACTLY the problem Im talking about with Dems.</quote> So you're assuming she's lying.</quote> Im assuming she remembers the event differently than Franken and neither one is lying.</quote> So we're going with the Kevin Spacey argument.</quote> Until more allegations come out that show a pattern of predatory behavior? Yes.</quote> Well we have a second accuser coming forward with stalking allegations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charmander6000 11/17/17 1:00:08 PM #103:	TheRock1525 posted... Kenri posted... DoomTheGyarados posted... My take on Franken is pretty much "if it's good enough for the victim, then I don't see a point in me being self-righteous about it." This is my feeling too, though tbh I sort of can't believe that someone who was assaulted in the way Tweeden was would accept an apology like Franken's. There's plenty of examples of victims being too forgiving of the perpetrator's transgressions. This probably isn't a case of that but it does definitely happen. Everyone reacts to things differently. For some people the picture and the kiss would make them think of Franken as a jerk/sleazeball, but their day to day life hasn't changed so to them an apology means little to them. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah for winning the guru <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:890571360] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoomTheGyarados posted...</cite> <quote>My take on Franken is pretty much "if it's good enough for the victim, then I don't see a point in me being self-righteous about it."</quote> This is my feeling too, though tbh I sort of can't believe that someone who was assaulted in the way Tweeden was would accept an apology like Franken's.</quote> There's plenty of examples of victims being too forgiving of the perpetrator's transgressions. This probably isn't a case of that but it does definitely happen.</quote> Everyone reacts to things differently. For some people the picture and the kiss would make them think of Franken as a jerk/sleazeball, but their day to day life hasn't changed so to them an apology means little to them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 11/17/17 1:00:35 PM #104:	TheRock1525 posted... Well we have a second accuser coming forward with stalking allegations. She was just on Fox - by stalking she means "followed me to green room and kept arguing with me". Which I have to imagine happens like constantly. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:890571395] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Well we have a second accuser coming forward with stalking allegations.</quote> She was just on Fox - by stalking she means "followed me to green room and kept arguing with me". Which I have to imagine happens like constantly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 1:02:07 PM #105:	Eddv posted... TheRock1525 posted... Well we have a second accuser coming forward with stalking allegations. She was just on Fox - by stalking she means "followed me to green room and kept arguing with me". Which I have to imagine happens like constantly. Which is that's all there is to it then I would agree it's, at best, just regular harassment. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890571485] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Well we have a second accuser coming forward with stalking allegations.</quote> She was just on Fox - by stalking she means "followed me to green room and kept arguing with me". Which I have to imagine happens like constantly.</quote> Which is that's all there is to it then I would agree it's, at best, just regular harassment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 1:03:34 PM #106:	I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890571577] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/17/17 1:03:36 PM #107:	Apparently I mixed up another board's topic responses with this one. I cannot find the posts I was referring to at all in the previous topic. Thus, I strike that comment for being made in error. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890571580] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>Apparently I mixed up another board's topic responses with this one. I cannot find the posts I was referring to at all in the previous topic. Thus, I strike that comment for being made in error.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 11/17/17 1:03:45 PM #108:	TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... Thats a denial without undermining the #metoo movement. Cmon man,this stubbornness is EXACTLY the problem Im talking about with Dems. So you're assuming she's lying. Im assuming she remembers the event differently than Franken and neither one is lying. So we're going with the Kevin Spacey argument. Until more allegations come out that show a pattern of predatory behavior? Yes. Well we have a second accuser coming forward with stalking allegations. And there you go. The EXACT reaction I believe was wanted. One accuser makes a sexual harassment claim, and a second accuser chimes in with an unrelated claim of a non-sexual nature, but because there are two, youre now conflating them to emphasize the first allegation. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:890571588] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Thats a denial without undermining the #metoo movement. Cmon man,this stubbornness is EXACTLY the problem Im talking about with Dems.</quote> So you're assuming she's lying.</quote> Im assuming she remembers the event differently than Franken and neither one is lying.</quote> So we're going with the Kevin Spacey argument.</quote> Until more allegations come out that show a pattern of predatory behavior? Yes.</quote> Well we have a second accuser coming forward with stalking allegations.</quote> And there you go. The EXACT reaction I believe was wanted. One accuser makes a sexual harassment claim, and a second accuser chimes in with an unrelated claim of a non-sexual nature, but because there are two, youre now conflating them to emphasize the first allegation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 11/17/17 1:06:35 PM #109:	TheRock1525 posted... I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment? Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur) --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:890571752] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment?</quote> Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 1:09:04 PM #110:	Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment? Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur) None of that is punishment. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890571899] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment?</quote> Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur)</quote> None of that is punishment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 11/17/17 1:12:07 PM #111:	For Corrik - Original apology reactions: Mana (post 322): taking the Sessions approach, I see NOT POSITIVE --- Jakyl (post 329): What an awful, awful response. Guess I shouldnt have done it! Oopsies! NOT POSITIVE --- Jakyl (post 333): LIke, fuck, It was clearly intended to be funny, but it wasnt. So if it was somehow funny, its cool??? How did that statement get through his legal counsel! NOT POSITIVE --- Reg (post 337): jfc the best case scenario just got a lot worse Over/under a week before he resigns? NOT POSITIVE --- FFD (post 350): Is it sad that I half expected his statement to say that now chooses to live his life as a gay man? Joking, but not positive --- Suprak (post 374): Funny how he remembers the thing she has a picture of but conveniently forgot about the other accusation. thinking face emoji NOT POSITIVE --- AFTER SECOND STATEMENT - Rock (post 388): I mean, that's a very good response but it's kinda hollow if he doesn't resign. Positive, but still calling for resignation so I dunno how positive that really is --- Jakyl (post 391): I dont get what he means by an ethics investigation. Neutral --- Jakyl (post 397): She says she told other people at the time so that shouldnt be hard. Still, I think admitting that you understand how people are disgusted by your actions in the photo probably means you shouldnt be representing those people anymore <_< NOT POSITIVE --- Inviso (post 402): I feel like hes admitting to the groping (or at least the sexual harassment of pretending to grope), but denies her accusation of the kiss (which is the far more disturbing allegation). Thus, hes calling for the investigation specifically for the kids accusation. Neutral --- Suprak (post 404): It's also very, very different to say a joke in bad taste and become more progressive on an issue philosophically than it is to be grabbing a woman who didn't want to be grabbed and then, after you're called out, going "well now I know not to assault women". I'm fine with growth, but this is something you should have ironed out already. He's like what, 50? 60? In that photo? This isn't "youthful indiscretions". NOT POSITIVE --- MI (post 406): In regards to the investigation he is denying the kissing part of the story isn't he? Wouldn't that be the investigation? Neutral --- Reg (post 439): Thinking emoji Seriously though calling for a legit investigation to the matter is a much better thing than Franken's laughable statement from earlier. It's improvement! Still don't think it's far enough at a glance, and that he should probably step down Somewhat positive, but only compared to his original statement and still calls for him to step down --- bananor (post 446): that makes sense. this might sound strange, but over time i've decided to view people as having shrodinger's intentions. when someone does something good, you can never know whether it was out of the goodness of their heart or simply because they wanted praise. if they do something bad, you can never prove 100% that it was an accident. in this case, there is zero way of knowing if the apology is heartfelt or machiavellian. so, as with shrodinger's cat, i have to go on knowing it might be either I don't know what the hell this is --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:890572063] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>For Corrik - Original apology reactions: Mana (post 322): taking the Sessions approach, I see NOT POSITIVE --- Jakyl (post 329): What an awful, awful response. Guess I shouldnt have done it! Oopsies! NOT POSITIVE --- Jakyl (post 333): LIke, fuck, It was clearly intended to be funny, but it wasnt. So if it was somehow funny, its cool??? How did that statement get through his legal counsel! NOT POSITIVE --- Reg (post 337): jfc the best case scenario just got a lot worse Over/under a week before he resigns? NOT POSITIVE --- FFD (post 350): Is it sad that I half expected his statement to say that now chooses to live his life as a gay man? Joking, but not positive --- Suprak (post 374): Funny how he remembers the thing she has a picture of but conveniently forgot about the other accusation. thinking face emoji NOT POSITIVE --- AFTER SECOND STATEMENT - Rock (post 388): I mean, that's a very good response but it's kinda hollow if he doesn't resign. Positive, but still calling for resignation so I dunno how positive that really is --- Jakyl (post 391): I dont get what he means by an ethics investigation. Neutral --- Jakyl (post 397): She says she told other people at the time so that shouldnt be hard. Still, I think admitting that you understand how people are disgusted by your actions in the photo probably means you shouldnt be representing those people anymore <_< NOT POSITIVE --- Inviso (post 402): I feel like hes admitting to the groping (or at least the sexual harassment of pretending to grope), but denies her accusation of the kiss (which is the far more disturbing allegation). Thus, hes calling for the investigation specifically for the kids accusation. Neutral --- Suprak (post 404): It's also very, very different to say a joke in bad taste and become more progressive on an issue philosophically than it is to be grabbing a woman who didn't want to be grabbed and then, after you're called out, going "well now I know not to assault women". I'm fine with growth, but this is something you should have ironed out already. He's like what, 50? 60? In that photo? This isn't "youthful indiscretions". NOT POSITIVE --- MI (post 406): In regards to the investigation he is denying the kissing part of the story isn't he? Wouldn't that be the investigation? Neutral --- Reg (post 439): Thinking emoji Seriously though calling for a legit investigation to the matter is a much better thing than Franken's laughable statement from earlier. It's improvement! Still don't think it's far enough at a glance, and that he should probably step down Somewhat positive, but only compared to his original statement and still calls for him to step down --- bananor (post 446): that makes sense. this might sound strange, but over time i've decided to view people as having shrodinger's intentions. when someone does something good, you can never know whether it was out of the goodness of their heart or simply because they wanted praise. if they do something bad, you can never prove 100% that it was an accident. in this case, there is zero way of knowing if the apology is heartfelt or machiavellian. so, as with shrodinger's cat, i have to go on knowing it might be either I don't know what the hell this is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 11/17/17 1:13:54 PM #112:	TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment? Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur) None of that is punishment. Well if you dont think thats a punishment, then I guess he doesnt deserve to be punished. Because forcing someone from their job over a minor sexual harassment allegation from two years before they took the job in the first place...is asinine. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:890572162] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment?</quote> Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur)</quote> None of that is punishment.</quote> Well if you dont think thats a punishment, then I guess he doesnt deserve to be punished. Because forcing someone from their job over a minor sexual harassment allegation from two years before they took the job in the first place...is asinine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 11/17/17 1:14:17 PM #113:	So, we have a grand total of two responses from the last topic that liked the second apology. One, Rock said it was a very good response without qualification BUT it didn't sound true to him unless he resigned. And he's been the loudest one calling for resignation in this topic. Two, Reg said it was good ONLY in comparison to his atrocious first statement which isn't much praise. ALSO he's still calling for him to step down. And these were the only the responses to his statement. There were many more critical posts throughout the topic that were just on Franken in general and not about the statements themselves. So your statement of "all of you guys loved this" is patently false. WE RATE YOU FAKE NEWS, CORRIK --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:890572194] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>So, we have a grand total of two responses from the last topic that liked the second apology. One, Rock said it was a very good response without qualification BUT it didn't sound true to him unless he resigned. And he's been the loudest one calling for resignation in this topic. Two, Reg said it was good ONLY in comparison to his atrocious first statement which isn't much praise. ALSO he's still calling for him to step down. And these were the only the responses to his statement. There were many more critical posts throughout the topic that were just on Franken in general and not about the statements themselves. So your statement of "all of you guys loved this" is patently false. WE RATE YOU FAKE NEWS, CORRIK</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 11/17/17 1:15:27 PM #114:	Corrik posted... Apparently I mixed up another board's topic responses with this one. I cannot find the posts I was referring to at all in the previous topic. Thus, I strike that comment for being made in error. You buttface, I went through that last topic for you! I thought we were palsies. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:890572263] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Apparently I mixed up another board's topic responses with this one. I cannot find the posts I was referring to at all in the previous topic. Thus, I strike that comment for being made in error.</quote> You buttface, I went through that last topic for you! I thought we were palsies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 1:16:20 PM #115:	Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment? Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur) None of that is punishment. Well if you dont think thats a punishment, then I guess he doesnt deserve to be punished. Because forcing someone from their job over a minor sexual harassment allegation from two years before they took the job in the first place...is asinine. You keep calling it minor sexual harassment. The kiss isn't that. Unwanted sexual touching is sexual assault. And in what would do we live on where apologizing is a "punishment." Apologizing is literally the most bare bone thing you could do to a sexual assault. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890572319] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment?</quote> Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur)</quote> None of that is punishment.</quote> Well if you dont think thats a punishment, then I guess he doesnt deserve to be punished. Because forcing someone from their job over a minor sexual harassment allegation from two years before they took the job in the first place...is asinine.</quote> You keep calling it minor sexual harassment. The kiss isn't that. Unwanted sexual touching is sexual assault. And in what would do we live on where apologizing is a "punishment." Apologizing is literally the most bare bone thing you could do to a sexual assault.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 11/17/17 1:20:43 PM #116:	https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:890572583] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 11/17/17 1:21:14 PM #117:	TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment? Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur) None of that is punishment. Well if you dont think thats a punishment, then I guess he doesnt deserve to be punished. Because forcing someone from their job over a minor sexual harassment allegation from two years before they took the job in the first place...is asinine. You keep calling it minor sexual harassment. The kiss isn't that. Unwanted sexual touching is sexual assault. And in what would do we live on where apologizing is a "punishment." Apologizing is literall the most bare bone thing you could do to a sexual assault. Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:890572615] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment?</quote> Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur)</quote> None of that is punishment.</quote> Well if you dont think thats a punishment, then I guess he doesnt deserve to be punished. Because forcing someone from their job over a minor sexual harassment allegation from two years before they took the job in the first place...is asinine.</quote> You keep calling it minor sexual harassment. The kiss isn't that. Unwanted sexual touching is sexual assault. And in what would do we live on where apologizing is a "punishment." Apologizing is literall the most bare bone thing you could do to a sexual assault.</quote> Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 11/17/17 1:22:43 PM #118:	Nelson_Mandela posted... https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious Is this real? Please tell me this is real. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:890572706] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious</quote> Is this real? Please tell me this is real.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 1:22:45 PM #119:	Nelson_Mandela posted... https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious Why would you even do that? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890572707] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious</quote> Why would you even do that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 1:24:16 PM #120:	Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment? Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur) None of that is punishment. Well if you dont think thats a punishment, then I guess he doesnt deserve to be punished. Because forcing someone from their job over a minor sexual harassment allegation from two years before they took the job in the first place...is asinine. You keep calling it minor sexual harassment. The kiss isn't that. Unwanted sexual touching is sexual assault. And in what would do we live on where apologizing is a "punishment." Apologizing is literall the most bare bone thing you could do to a sexual assault. Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job. Why are we acting like U.S. senator is just another job? Hell I was asking us to hold it to the standard of "Wal-Mart employee" and apparently that was too high. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890572790] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment?</quote> Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur)</quote> None of that is punishment.</quote> Well if you dont think thats a punishment, then I guess he doesnt deserve to be punished. Because forcing someone from their job over a minor sexual harassment allegation from two years before they took the job in the first place...is asinine.</quote> You keep calling it minor sexual harassment. The kiss isn't that. Unwanted sexual touching is sexual assault. And in what would do we live on where apologizing is a "punishment." Apologizing is literall the most bare bone thing you could do to a sexual assault.</quote> Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job.</quote> Why are we acting like U.S. senator is just another job? Hell I was asking us to hold it to the standard of "Wal-Mart employee" and apparently that was too high.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JonThePenguin 11/17/17 1:24:58 PM #121:	Suprak the Stud posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious Is this real? Please tell me this is real. Oh, its real, alright. --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion <cite>JonThePenguin posted [p:890572832] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious</quote> Is this real? Please tell me this is real.</quote> Oh, its real, alright.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 11/17/17 1:25:03 PM #122:	Espeon posted... Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job. After thinking about the situation, I agree with Inviso 100% actually. If a single incident unwanted kissing and inappropriate joking are enough to warrant termination of employment, then 80% of men (myself included) would be out of work. Obviously if said incidents were with underage girls, employees, or showed a pattern of misconduct, then it's a different story. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:890572839] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job. </quote> After thinking about the situation, I agree with Inviso 100% actually. If a single incident unwanted kissing and inappropriate joking are enough to warrant termination of employment, then 80% of men (myself included) would be out of work. Obviously if said incidents were with underage girls, employees, or showed a pattern of misconduct, then it's a different story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 11/17/17 1:25:29 PM #123:	Suprak the Stud posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious Is this real? Please tell me this is real. it's real and it's spectacular --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:890572859] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious</quote> Is this real? Please tell me this is real.</quote> it's real and it's spectacular</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 11/17/17 1:25:35 PM #124:	TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious Why would you even do that? If Al Franken was REALLY sorry, he wouldve brought this up BEFORE he was caught. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:890572863] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious</quote> Why would you even do that?</quote> If Al Franken was REALLY sorry, he wouldve brought this up BEFORE he was caught.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 11/17/17 1:25:40 PM #125:	TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious Why would you even do that? Humblebragging brah --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:890572868] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious</quote> Why would you even do that?</quote> Humblebragging brah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 11/17/17 1:25:46 PM #126:	i mean we could always use nfl standards too, where they suspend you even against the recommendation of investigators --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:890572875] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>i mean we could always use nfl standards too, where they suspend you even against the recommendation of investigators</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 11/17/17 1:25:55 PM #127:	Oh, you know, I misread this. I thought "It started from a gorgeous personal secretary to Senator Bob Taft" was a "from/to" continuing statement. Not that she was a secretary to Bob Taft but that it ranged from "this person to this other person". --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:890572879] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>Oh, you know, I misread this. I thought "It started from a gorgeous personal secretary to Senator Bob Taft" was a "from/to" continuing statement. Not that she was a secretary to Bob Taft but that it ranged from "this person to this other person".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 1:26:30 PM #128:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Espeon posted... Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job. After thinking about the situation, I agree with Inviso 100% actually. If a single incident unwanted kissing and inappropriate joking are enough to warrant termination of employment, then 80% of men (myself included) would be out of work. Obviously if said incidents were with underage girls, employees, or showed a pattern of misconduct, then it's a different story. You do realize there's a difference between unwanted sexual touching and inappropriate joking, right? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890572921] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job. </quote> After thinking about the situation, I agree with Inviso 100% actually. If a single incident unwanted kissing and inappropriate joking are enough to warrant termination of employment, then 80% of men (myself included) would be out of work. Obviously if said incidents were with underage girls, employees, or showed a pattern of misconduct, then it's a different story.</quote> You do realize there's a difference between unwanted sexual touching and inappropriate joking, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 1:27:21 PM #129:	Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious Why would you even do that? Humblebragging brah Was a humble brag worth torpedoing your campaign? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890572974] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/931579195574095878 this is fucking hilarious</quote> Why would you even do that?</quote> Humblebragging brah</quote> Was a humble brag worth torpedoing your campaign?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 11/17/17 1:28:14 PM #130:	I don't think he was a serious contender for the Dem nom anyway. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:890573026] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>I don't think he was a serious contender for the Dem nom anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 11/17/17 1:28:45 PM #131:	TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Espeon posted... Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job. After thinking about the situation, I agree with Inviso 100% actually. If a single incident unwanted kissing and inappropriate joking are enough to warrant termination of employment, then 80% of men (myself included) would be out of work. Obviously if said incidents were with underage girls, employees, or showed a pattern of misconduct, then it's a different story. You do realize there's a difference between unwanted sexual touching and inappropriate joking, right? Sure, but even pinching someone's ass once or misreading the situation and poking someone's breast is a forgivable offense imo. As long as it's not a pattern. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:890573058] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job. </quote> After thinking about the situation, I agree with Inviso 100% actually. If a single incident unwanted kissing and inappropriate joking are enough to warrant termination of employment, then 80% of men (myself included) would be out of work. Obviously if said incidents were with underage girls, employees, or showed a pattern of misconduct, then it's a different story.</quote> You do realize there's a difference between unwanted sexual touching and inappropriate joking, right?</quote> Sure, but even pinching someone's ass once or misreading the situation and poking someone's breast is a forgivable offense imo. As long as it's not a pattern.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Regaro 11/17/17 1:29:43 PM #132:	FFDragon posted... i mean we could always use nfl standards too, where they suspend you even against the recommendation of investigators Real talk Fuck Goodell with a rusty spork --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Regaro posted [p:890573109] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>i mean we could always use nfl standards too, where they suspend you even against the recommendation of investigators</quote> Real talk Fuck Goodell with a rusty spork</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 11/17/17 1:30:23 PM #133:	TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... TheRock1525 posted... I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment? Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur) None of that is punishment. Well if you dont think thats a punishment, then I guess he doesnt deserve to be punished. Because forcing someone from their job over a minor sexual harassment allegation from two years before they took the job in the first place...is asinine. You keep calling it minor sexual harassment. The kiss isn't that. Unwanted sexual touching is sexual assault. And in what would do we live on where apologizing is a "punishment." Apologizing is literall the most bare bone thing you could do to a sexual assault. Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job. Why are we acting like U.S. senator is just another job? Hell I was asking us to hold it to the standard of "Wal-Mart employee" and apparently that was too high. I could understand getting fired from Walmart if you groped someone while on the job, but not if theyd been working there for ten years and someone came in with a picture of pre-Walmart air groping and showed the rest of the staff. Thats just stupid. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:890573152] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment?</quote> Apologize (check), take action (call for investigation), probation (revisit calls for resignation if further incidents occur)</quote> None of that is punishment.</quote> Well if you dont think thats a punishment, then I guess he doesnt deserve to be punished. Because forcing someone from their job over a minor sexual harassment allegation from two years before they took the job in the first place...is asinine.</quote> You keep calling it minor sexual harassment. The kiss isn't that. Unwanted sexual touching is sexual assault. And in what would do we live on where apologizing is a "punishment." Apologizing is literall the most bare bone thing you could do to a sexual assault.</quote> Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job.</quote> Why are we acting like U.S. senator is just another job? Hell I was asking us to hold it to the standard of "Wal-Mart employee" and apparently that was too high.</quote> I could understand getting fired from Walmart if you groped someone while on the job, but not if theyd been working there for ten years and someone came in with a picture of pre-Walmart air groping and showed the rest of the staff. Thats just stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 1:30:32 PM #134:	Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Espeon posted... Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job. After thinking about the situation, I agree with Inviso 100% actually. If a single incident unwanted kissing and inappropriate joking are enough to warrant termination of employment, then 80% of men (myself included) would be out of work. Obviously if said incidents were with underage girls, employees, or showed a pattern of misconduct, then it's a different story. You do realize there's a difference between unwanted sexual touching and inappropriate joking, right? Sure, but even pinching someone's ass once or misreading the situation and poking someone's breast is a forgivable offense imo. As long as it's not a pattern. I would argue those are widely different than pulling someone's head in and forcing your tongue down their throat. Followed up by an image of you pretend groping them while they sleep. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890573163] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Even in the absolute worst case scenario, this is an isolated incident that has reasonable doubt built into the very claim. Again, if more sexual assault charges are leveled against Franken, I will rethink my stance. But as it stands, you are literally calling for someone to lose their job based on a single instance from before they got said job. </quote> After thinking about the situation, I agree with Inviso 100% actually. If a single incident unwanted kissing and inappropriate joking are enough to warrant termination of employment, then 80% of men (myself included) would be out of work. Obviously if said incidents were with underage girls, employees, or showed a pattern of misconduct, then it's a different story.</quote> You do realize there's a difference between unwanted sexual touching and inappropriate joking, right?</quote> Sure, but even pinching someone's ass once or misreading the situation and poking someone's breast is a forgivable offense imo. As long as it's not a pattern.</quote> I would argue those are widely different than pulling someone's head in and forcing your tongue down their throat. Followed up by an image of you pretend groping them while they sleep.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 1:32:40 PM #135:	Actually it's the equivalent of showing the entire staff and every person who ever enters that Wal-Mart going forward. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890573287] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>Actually it's the equivalent of showing the entire staff and every person who ever enters that Wal-Mart going forward.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 11/17/17 1:35:36 PM #136:	TheRock1525 posted... Actually it's the equivalent of showing the entire staff and every person who ever enters that Wal-Mart going forward. That doesnt strengthen your argument. Its still stupid. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:890573456] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Actually it's the equivalent of showing the entire staff and every person who ever enters that Wal-Mart going forward.</quote> That doesnt strengthen your argument. Its still stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 11/17/17 1:38:51 PM #137:	Let me ask, Rock. Do you believe Al Franken should be blackballed from ANY form of employment over this allegation? Because thats the argument youre making with your Walmart example. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:890573655] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>Let me ask, Rock. Do you believe Al Franken should be blackballed from ANY form of employment over this allegation? Because thats the argument youre making with your Walmart example.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 11/17/17 1:41:49 PM #138:	If more allegations come out against Franken--or if it went further, then I'd say he should resign. But as it stands, I'm not sure he should. Yes, he was definitely sleazy. But I think if he's legitimately changed his ways, and it wasn't recurring behavior that it's not something that necessarily needs to be punished. (I know we like punishment, but I think rehabilitation is equally important.) --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:890573821] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>If more allegations come out against Franken--or if it went further, then I'd say he should resign. But as it stands, I'm not sure he should. Yes, he was definitely sleazy. But I think if he's legitimately changed his ways, and it wasn't recurring behavior that it's not something that necessarily needs to be punished. (I know we like punishment, but I think rehabilitation is equally important.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 1:47:58 PM #139:	Espeon posted... Let me ask, Rock. Do you believe Al Franken should be blackballed from ANY form of employment over this allegation? Because thats the argument youre making with your Walmart example. No, what I'm saying is that he failed to disclosed important information to his current employer, and that they should have the right to terminate him. And any future employers have the right to weigh that transgression in a decision to hire him. Along with weighing the apology, etc. It's like all those Neo-Nazis who found themselves fired from their jobs after appearing on TV in Charlottesville. New information was presented to a current employer that they failed to disclose, and it's well within their rights to terminate that employee. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890574166] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Let me ask, Rock. Do you believe Al Franken should be blackballed from ANY form of employment over this allegation? Because thats the argument youre making with your Walmart example.</quote> No, what I'm saying is that he failed to disclosed important information to his current employer, and that they should have the right to terminate him. And any future employers have the right to weigh that transgression in a decision to hire him. Along with weighing the apology, etc. It's like all those Neo-Nazis who found themselves fired from their jobs after appearing on TV in Charlottesville. New information was presented to a current employer that they failed to disclose, and it's well within their rights to terminate that employee.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mega Mana 11/17/17 1:52:18 PM #140:	New information presented from a present occurrence. They went to the rally while also employed by the employer firing them. --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD <cite>Mega Mana posted [p:890574397] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>New information presented from a present occurrence. They went to the rally while also employed by the employer firing them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 11/17/17 1:54:09 PM #141:	"Oh yeah, this one time a comedy sketch rehearsal went wrong, just want you to know that before hiring me." Like... that makes no sense why anyone would even feel the need to disclose that or even think about it. --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:890574493] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>"Oh yeah, this one time a comedy sketch rehearsal went wrong, just want you to know that before hiring me." Like... that makes no sense why anyone would even feel the need to disclose that or even think about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 11/17/17 1:56:01 PM #142:	TheRock1525 posted... I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment? Assuming this remains the only accusation? Censure seems appropriate. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:890574602] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>I would like to ask, though, if asking him to resign is a bridge too far, what do you think is fair punishment?</quote> Assuming this remains the only accusation? Censure seems appropriate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 1:58:58 PM #143:	DoomTheGyarados posted... "Oh yeah, this one time a comedy sketch rehearsal went wrong, just want you to know that before hiring me." Like... that makes no sense why anyone would even feel the need to disclose that or even think about it. "And then I pretend groped her afterwards with photographic evidence." --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890574756] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoomTheGyarados posted...</cite> <quote>"Oh yeah, this one time a comedy sketch rehearsal went wrong, just want you to know that before hiring me." Like... that makes no sense why anyone would even feel the need to disclose that or even think about it.</quote> "And then I pretend groped her afterwards with photographic evidence."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 11/17/17 1:59:43 PM #144:	Al could perhaps lead some fundraising or awareness efforts too. --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:890574793] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>Al could perhaps lead some fundraising or awareness efforts too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 11/17/17 2:00:53 PM #145:	Also, since Thanksgiving is under a week away: https://twitter.com/lilnativeboy/status/931342169788395520 Just a reminder last year on Thanksgiving that Natives were being tortured with dogs, illegal scare tactics, being run over by angry white ppl all to protect our water and this year on Thanksgiving they are now cleaning up 200,000 gallon oil spill on a South Dakota reservation --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:890574857] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>Also, since Thanksgiving is under a week away: https://twitter.com/lilnativeboy/status/931342169788395520 Just a reminder last year on Thanksgiving that Natives were being tortured with dogs, illegal scare tactics, being run over by angry white ppl all to protect our water and this year on Thanksgiving they are now cleaning up 200,000 gallon oil spill on a South Dakota reservation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/17/17 2:01:30 PM #146:	Suprak the Stud posted... For Corrik - Original apology reactions: Mana (post 322): taking the Sessions approach, I see NOT POSITIVE --- Jakyl (post 329): What an awful, awful response. Guess I shouldnt have done it! Oopsies! NOT POSITIVE --- Jakyl (post 333): LIke, fuck, It was clearly intended to be funny, but it wasnt. So if it was somehow funny, its cool??? How did that statement get through his legal counsel! NOT POSITIVE --- Reg (post 337): jfc the best case scenario just got a lot worse Over/under a week before he resigns? NOT POSITIVE --- FFD (post 350): Is it sad that I half expected his statement to say that now chooses to live his life as a gay man? Joking, but not positive --- Suprak (post 374): Funny how he remembers the thing she has a picture of but conveniently forgot about the other accusation. thinking face emoji NOT POSITIVE --- AFTER SECOND STATEMENT - Rock (post 388): I mean, that's a very good response but it's kinda hollow if he doesn't resign. Positive, but still calling for resignation so I dunno how positive that really is --- Jakyl (post 391): I dont get what he means by an ethics investigation. Neutral --- Jakyl (post 397): She says she told other people at the time so that shouldnt be hard. Still, I think admitting that you understand how people are disgusted by your actions in the photo probably means you shouldnt be representing those people anymore <_< NOT POSITIVE --- Inviso (post 402): I feel like hes admitting to the groping (or at least the sexual harassment of pretending to grope), but denies her accusation of the kiss (which is the far more disturbing allegation). Thus, hes calling for the investigation specifically for the kids accusation. Neutral --- Suprak (post 404): It's also very, very different to say a joke in bad taste and become more progressive on an issue philosophically than it is to be grabbing a woman who didn't want to be grabbed and then, after you're called out, going "well now I know not to assault women". I'm fine with growth, but this is something you should have ironed out already. He's like what, 50? 60? In that photo? This isn't "youthful indiscretions". NOT POSITIVE --- MI (post 406): In regards to the investigation he is denying the kissing part of the story isn't he? Wouldn't that be the investigation? Neutral --- Reg (post 439): Thinking emoji Seriously though calling for a legit investigation to the matter is a much better thing than Franken's laughable statement from earlier. It's improvement! Still don't think it's far enough at a glance, and that he should probably step down Somewhat positive, but only compared to his original statement and still calls for him to step down --- bananor (post 446): that makes sense. this might sound strange, but over time i've decided to view people as having shrodinger's intentions. when someone does something good, you can never know whether it was out of the goodness of their heart or simply because they wanted praise. if they do something bad, you can never prove 100% that it was an accident. in this case, there is zero way of knowing if the apology is heartfelt or machiavellian. so, as with shrodinger's cat, i have to go on knowing it might be either I don't know what the hell this is Corrik posted... Apparently I mixed up another board's topic responses with this one. I cannot find the posts I was referring to at all in the previous topic. Thus, I strike that comment for being made in error. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890574891] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>For Corrik - Original apology reactions: Mana (post 322): taking the Sessions approach, I see NOT POSITIVE --- Jakyl (post 329): What an awful, awful response. Guess I shouldnt have done it! Oopsies! NOT POSITIVE --- Jakyl (post 333): LIke, fuck, It was clearly intended to be funny, but it wasnt. So if it was somehow funny, its cool??? How did that statement get through his legal counsel! NOT POSITIVE --- Reg (post 337): jfc the best case scenario just got a lot worse Over/under a week before he resigns? NOT POSITIVE --- FFD (post 350): Is it sad that I half expected his statement to say that now chooses to live his life as a gay man? Joking, but not positive --- Suprak (post 374): Funny how he remembers the thing she has a picture of but conveniently forgot about the other accusation. thinking face emoji NOT POSITIVE --- AFTER SECOND STATEMENT - Rock (post 388): I mean, that's a very good response but it's kinda hollow if he doesn't resign. Positive, but still calling for resignation so I dunno how positive that really is --- Jakyl (post 391): I dont get what he means by an ethics investigation. Neutral --- Jakyl (post 397): She says she told other people at the time so that shouldnt be hard. Still, I think admitting that you understand how people are disgusted by your actions in the photo probably means you shouldnt be representing those people anymore <_< NOT POSITIVE --- Inviso (post 402): I feel like hes admitting to the groping (or at least the sexual harassment of pretending to grope), but denies her accusation of the kiss (which is the far more disturbing allegation). Thus, hes calling for the investigation specifically for the kids accusation. Neutral --- Suprak (post 404): It's also very, very different to say a joke in bad taste and become more progressive on an issue philosophically than it is to be grabbing a woman who didn't want to be grabbed and then, after you're called out, going "well now I know not to assault women". I'm fine with growth, but this is something you should have ironed out already. He's like what, 50? 60? In that photo? This isn't "youthful indiscretions". NOT POSITIVE --- MI (post 406): In regards to the investigation he is denying the kissing part of the story isn't he? Wouldn't that be the investigation? Neutral --- Reg (post 439): Thinking emoji Seriously though calling for a legit investigation to the matter is a much better thing than Franken's laughable statement from earlier. It's improvement! Still don't think it's far enough at a glance, and that he should probably step down Somewhat positive, but only compared to his original statement and still calls for him to step down --- bananor (post 446): that makes sense. this might sound strange, but over time i've decided to view people as having shrodinger's intentions. when someone does something good, you can never know whether it was out of the goodness of their heart or simply because they wanted praise. if they do something bad, you can never prove 100% that it was an accident. in this case, there is zero way of knowing if the apology is heartfelt or machiavellian. so, as with shrodinger's cat, i have to go on knowing it might be either I don't know what the hell this is</quote> <cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Apparently I mixed up another board's topic responses with this one. I cannot find the posts I was referring to at all in the previous topic. Thus, I strike that comment for being made in error.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 11/17/17 2:01:40 PM #147:	I'm going on record as saying the air grope picture, while crude, isn't something that should have any real ramification regardless since he didn't actually touch her. It's the forced kiss that's the entire issue here. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:890574899] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote>I'm going on record as saying the air grope picture, while crude, isn't something that should have any real ramification regardless since he didn't actually touch her. It's the forced kiss that's the entire issue here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 11/17/17 2:02:08 PM #148:	TheRock1525 posted... Espeon posted... Let me ask, Rock. Do you believe Al Franken should be blackballed from ANY form of employment over this allegation? Because thats the argument youre making with your Walmart example. No, what I'm saying is that he failed to disclosed important information to his current employer, and that they should have the right to terminate him. And any future employers have the right to weigh that transgression in a decision to hire him. Along with weighing the apology, etc. It's like all those Neo-Nazis who found themselves fired from their jobs after appearing on TV in Charlottesville. New information was presented to a current employer that they failed to disclose, and it's well within their rights to terminate that employee. Thats what an election is called though. If voters (the employers) want him removed from his job, then they have the ability to choose a new representative. Youre asking for him to voluntarily terminate his employment without necessarily giving his employers the chance to weigh in on whether or not they want him to do so. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:890574933] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Let me ask, Rock. Do you believe Al Franken should be blackballed from ANY form of employment over this allegation? Because thats the argument youre making with your Walmart example.</quote> No, what I'm saying is that he failed to disclosed important information to his current employer, and that they should have the right to terminate him. And any future employers have the right to weigh that transgression in a decision to hire him. Along with weighing the apology, etc. It's like all those Neo-Nazis who found themselves fired from their jobs after appearing on TV in Charlottesville. New information was presented to a current employer that they failed to disclose, and it's well within their rights to terminate that employee.</quote> Thats what an election is called though. If voters (the employers) want him removed from his job, then they have the ability to choose a new representative. Youre asking for him to voluntarily terminate his employment without necessarily giving his employers the chance to weigh in on whether or not they want him to do so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/17/17 2:02:50 PM #149:	Mega Mana posted... New information presented from a present occurrence. They went to the rally while also employed by the employer firing them. Does this even matter? If I hid from my employer something that the employer should know about, it doesn't matter how long ago it occurred, you should be willing and able to disclose anything. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890574974] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mega Mana posted...</cite> <quote>New information presented from a present occurrence. They went to the rally while also employed by the employer firing them.</quote> Does this even matter? If I hid from my employer something that the employer should know about, it doesn't matter how long ago it occurred, you should be willing and able to disclose anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/17/17 2:02:56 PM #150:	Suprak the Stud posted... Corrik posted... Apparently I mixed up another board's topic responses with this one. I cannot find the posts I was referring to at all in the previous topic. Thus, I strike that comment for being made in error. You buttface, I went through that last topic for you! I thought we were palsies. Lolol --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890574979] in Politics C... [t:75999939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Apparently I mixed up another board's topic responses with this one. I cannot find the posts I was referring to at all in the previous topic. Thus, I strike that comment for being made in error.</quote> You buttface, I went through that last topic for you! I thought we were palsies.</quote> Lolol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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