Board 8 > Gauntlet Crew Ranks Martial Arts Movies - "Don't think! Feeeel!"

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Yeah, I thought so. It felt a little bit of a continuation with me thinking Rama was the same from both movies, so it threw me off that that actor was another character. Though I knew his first one died.
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Aww, so close to the Top 5.
Here's a neat look of the car chase's behind-the-scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kutD5VHUF9U
Check 1:51-2:11 especially, it's awesome
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The Raid 2 I've also never seen. Also haven't seen The Raid 1.

And seeing the reactions to it, particularly since the two that didn't have it as top 10 are the reviewers whose opinions I'm taking with a gratuitous amount of salt...

Yeah those will probably be the gems of the list and things I'll definitely watch ASAP (since I've seen the rest of the top 5, and they're a solid top 5 at that)
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I cannot stress enough how sad I am that Raid 2 and Ong Bak, both masters of car chase-fu, are out so soon.
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Yeah I'm a little sad that neither flying knee kick movie made the top 5, but both made the top 10 so it's ok
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Lopen posted...

The Raid 2 I've also never seen. Also haven't seen The Raid 1.

And seeing the reactions to it, particularly since the two that didn't have it as top 10 are the reviewers whose opinions I'm taking with a gratuitous amount of salt...

Yeah those will probably be the gems of the list and things I'll definitely watch ASAP (since I've seen the rest of the top 5, and they're a solid top 5 at that)

Yeah, definitely watch it. It's a fantastic movie, just too much for me. It's really understandable if you watch a movie, or even a TV show with me. I squirm with the slightest needle poking.
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5. Kill Bill: Volume 2 - 72 points

Snake - 1
scarlet - 3
Inviso - 4
Johnbobb - 5
Wickle - 13
Karo - 17
JONA - 29

Snake - I thought it would be hard top the first one, but in my opinion, Kill Bill Volume 2 succeeded. Its a lot more story-driven and coupled with the amazing characters, KBV2 is a film with many more little moments that stick out to me than the first. Bills Superman speech, Budds philosophical waxing, Elle Driver in the hospital, the entire Pai Mei training sequence. Its all some really great stuff. The Bride herself gets even more characterization, taking on motherly traits and showing her brutal origins with Pai Mei helped humanize her from the killing machine she was in the first one. I think with the Kill Bills, it is hard to pick which one is better, as theyre meant to be viewed as one entire film anyway. For me, the character drama trumps the incredible action of volume 1, and thats not even to say Kill Bill 2 doesnt have awesome fighting scenes either.

scarlet - Has what the first Kill Bill lacks substance. The dialogue is so snappy and it solidifies the story well. Man, just imagine the Gauntlet crew rating the GOOD Tarantino films!

Inviso - Halfway through the list, its impossible for me to separate the two halves of Kill Bill. Anything from this point on will have to be better than BOTH films to outrank Volume 2. Butwhen choosing between the two, its a tough choice. Volume 1 is very much the action movie of the two. It opens with the Vernita fight and ends with the House of Blue Leaves. Volume 2 is much more subdued. Only two real deaths, both of which are relatively quick, plus one AWESOME fight scene. Volume 2 is very much the PERSONAL half of the set. Beas interactions with Elle, Bill, and even Budd feel so much deeper than her generic hatred for O-Ren and Vernita. And I personally LOVE Elle. Shes my favorite character in the two films, so much so that one of my furry characters is modeled after her. Ultimately, what gives Volume 1 the edge is partially the House of Blue Leaves, but also partially the old JONA training sequence. I get the NEED for itbut Im just not a huge fan of training sequences in these movies. Thats the difference between the two. Thats it.

Johnbobb - Oh god, I forgot all about the Pai Mei stuff here! I cant say I was particularly a fan of Executioners from Shaolin, but I still loved seeing how blatantly it was referenced here. Its a throwback I never understood when watching it before (and wouldnt have understood without watching the rest of this list first). One thing I will say in support of Kill Bill Vol. 2 is that it makes its inspirations loud and clear, and really serves as an excellent summation of some of the other themes on the list (while also tying in themes of spaghetti westerns in a really cool way). While I have a lot of respect for it because of that, I still cant call this better than the first Kill Bill. At times the pacing isnt quite as good, and it doesnt have the same brilliance when it comes to fight scenes (after seeing both Kill Bills several times, its always the House of Blue Leaves scene I think of first, while O-Ren stands out as the dominant villain). But at its worst, its still the 2nd best half of one of the most incredible action films of all time.
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Wickle - Honestly boring compared to the first movie, it proved that them bleeping out Beatrixs name in the first movie was unneeded, and then we got two total fights which were massively inferior to an already not that great fight against the 88. We also learned Elle Driver can only kill people with poison, since theres no proof she actually killed anyone in the chapel, maybe she was like Gretel in the Witch Hunters movie, wields an automatic weapon and misses 99% of the shots. Really, the only good parts of the movie were Bill talking and the cast rundown going heres Karen *shows a door* now heres Bill *lying there dead.* Best. At least I actually typed Elle Drivers name in this write-up, even though I could go back and fix it in the previous one, I dont want to.

Karo - Beatrix continues her vendetta against all the participants in the Red Wedding, though of the three remaining she only actually kills one of them herself. Compared to the first movie, volume two seems to lack focus and suffers from poor pacing, dragging out the simple vigilante revenge storyline into something far longer than it needs to be with unnecessary flashbacks and silly old man beards.

JONA - Time for my credibility to really drop. I thought this movie was fucking boring and had really poor pacing. There's also a total of two fight scenes, neither of which are particularly special with one basically being a joke fight and the other being incredibly brief. I really wish the two movies were just one because boy, there's a lot of padding in this with scenes being unnecessary, taking way too long or both. They may add a little bit of flavor but they really aren't worth the time. Scenes that go into Budd's shitty life, the trapped in a coffin scene, Pai Mei's training, are just some examples of where I had this problem. Also, how great is it that The Bride gets Hattori Hanzo to forge a sword for her, specifically for using against Bill after vowing to not forge again, and it doesn't matter at all. I'm not quite sure why I even have it this high but I'll say the movie has good production values, acting and there's some good dialogue even if a bunch of it is unneeded.
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Outlier Rankings

scarlet - 322
JONA - 315
Wickle - 310
Inviso - 304
Snake - 280
Karo - 264
Johnbobb - 155

Wickle and I pass by Inviso and Johnbobb now has an over 100 point difference between him and Karo, also being more than doubled by current 1st place, scarlet. I believe this also marks the first time where the #1 movie won't be anybody's #1.
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I moved down to FOURTH?
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And I still have one more low ranking.
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JONA again matches up with my thoughts on the movie pretty well. I'm probably not as down on it as him, and I respect liking the movie, but it just wasn't really my cup of tea.

And looks like Inviso properly has Volume 1 > Volume 2 so right on.

And I think my internal second choice for Scarlet's #1 (Ip Man) after having my discussion with him is looking to be correct based on his write-ups so that's like, half a prediction win, I guess. (unless I missed his #1 earlier)
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Lopen posted...

And I think my internal second choice for Scarlet's #1 (Ip Man) after having my discussion with him is looking to be correct based on his write-ups so that's like, half a prediction win, I guess. (unless I missed his #1 earlier)

His #1 was Kung Fu Hustle.
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Oh

... man really. What a shame!
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Oh hey

3. Snake - Good tastes overall but overvalues certain things (uniqueness is actually the big one-- note how many movies he'd called forgettable, though he also talks about 'choreography' a lot which to me is secondary to emotion and such in the fights) that I don't find particularly important so I find his write-up more important than the ranking moreso than with others. Projected #1: Kill Bill Vol 2.

Yeahhhh I got one of the seven I guessed. Who cares about that half a scarlet point I didn't get.
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So yeah, Kill Bill Vol. 2 is the one I think I ranked too high. If I were to redo the list now, I really think it would've dropped a bit. Maybe still top 10, but definitely below the two Tony Jaas, [redacted top 4 movie], and maybe even CT,HD

I went into the list with a pro-Kill Bill bias and in hindsight the 2nd just really didn't hold up as well for me
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4. Drunken Master II/The Legend of Drunken Master - 61 points

Karo - 4
Wickle - 4
Johnbobb - 7
JONA - 7
Inviso - 8
scarlet - 13
Snake - 18

Karo - Jackie Chan returns to play the alcoholic kung fu character who made him famous in a greatly improved movie. This one is actually funny (particularly the ginseng scene), as well as anything involving the stepmom character. He's here to kick ass and drink booze. And he's never out of booze (or asskicking).

Wickle - Besides how annoying the mother got, the characters were fairly respectable this time and enjoyable. Plus that fast footwork in the final face off and all the fire related things were pretty cool. It also helped me like the fish dude.

Johnbobb - Im always a little hesitant to call sequels better than the original, especially when the original is a solid film to begin with, but in the case of Drunken Master it isnt even close. Drunken Master II fixes pretty much all the problems I had with the original. The plot is more interesting and better paced. The supporting characters hold their own better (with Ling in particular being hilarious in every scene shes in, sometimes even giving Jackie a run for his money). The fight choreography was possibly the funniest on this list, or at least damn close to it. Then of course theres Chan himself, who is quite possibly at his best here.

JONA - It's a great all-around movie with great drunken style action, especially during the climax, good likable characters with good comedy with both Jackie Chan's character and Ling being really funny, and a solid plot. There's really nothing to dislike here.

Inviso - One of the biggest drawbacks of the original Drunken Master film, for me, was the inordinate amount of time spent devoted to training. Drunken Master two has none of that. From the very first moment, its just Jackie Chan at his comedic finest, with the same level of cockiness as the original, but none of the same petulance. Its like hes cocky, but whipped at the same time. Plus you throw in his step-mom, who is amazing, and youve got yourself a hilarious movie. Watching him get drunk off his ass and beat the shit out of an army of JONAs is pretty awesome. And whats better is that we get to see drunken boxing EARLY in the movie, as opposed to near the very end. All in all, this movie is just fun and actually feels like a solid crime plot, so I really liked it.

scarlet - I found this particular iteration to be much better than the first. Hilarious, fun, unique just an all-around solid kung fu film.

Snake - This film definitely has one of the best and funniest fight scenes on the list. Much like the first, the comedy works well and Jackie Chan feels even more comfortable in the role here.
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Holy shit. This top three is within 1 point of each other. ANYTHING could win.
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and this is the one I think I ranked too low

It is quite possibly Chan's best movie, and definitely should've taken Kill Bill Vol. 2's spot in my top 5 I think
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Outlier Rankings

scarlet - 331
JONA - 318
Wickle - 310
Inviso - 308
Snake - 294
Karo - 264
Johnbobb - 158

scarlet gets some distance and not much else going on here.
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Lopen posted...

5. Bobb - Seems out of his element but generally a positive guy on these movies and/or in general. Liking Jackie Chan is major plus. Projected #1 - Drunken Master 2

Sorry Lopen, but I did really like the movie!
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Woo, spot on. Good thing to have when I still have one movie that's lowish.
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i fear I am going to regret switching my 1 and 2 around at the last minute
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Man, I've watched IP Man twice and don't remember anything about it at all.

Maybe a third time will be the charm because I definitely can't imagine it this high up.
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3. Ip Man - 58 points

Karo - 2
Wickle - 3
scarlet - 6
Inviso - 7
Johnbobb - 11
JONA - 12
Snake - 17

Karo - The riveting story of a kung fu master who struggles to find a place in a world where the era of kung fu has long ended. It is more grounded in reality than most kung fu movies, and unlike most of the protagonists on this list, Ip has a character that is developed beyond 'guy who kicks a lot of ass'.

Wickle - Oh man, if it wasnt for the sequel existing I actually would have believed he was about to die and got a shock out of him surviving. I do always love things based on true stories and this did not have the screw-ups I didnt like in Fearless (Im sure Im not spoiling any rankings by now). Also really cool that hes the master of Bruce Lee.

scarlet - As a biography, it utterly fails, but... whatever. There are better straight martial arts films, as well. But this happens to be set in the era of Japanese occupation of China, and that makes the film much more relevant. Donnie Yen also makes for a very good lead. Combine Donnie Yen, the setting, and the half truths regarding Yip Man's actual life, and this made for a very high quality martial arts film.

Inviso - Finding out that this one was based on a true story (embellished, sure, but still) was pretty awesome. This dude is an absolute badass and I love him for it. Really, I love watching these movies from China or Japan (like during the Miyazaki/anime rankings) that go into the history of WW2 from the Asian side of things. The Japaneseholy shit they are always absolute SCUMBAGS in these films. Ip Man just wants to continue his opulent lifestyle with his family, and the Japanese are being dicks all over the place. Theyre forcing countless JONAs to fight them for sport, and to devolve into lives of crime. Really though, the fact that Ip Man, like his protg Bruce Lee, never seems to sustain any real damage, is pretty awesome. Seriously, youd think a protagonist thats nigh-invincible would be boring, but he just flows in his fighting style so well, and hes such a righteous warrior that you want him to succeed all the more.

Johnbobb - Goddamn, that was really good. Is it weird to like the movie about Bruce Lees teacher more than any of Bruce Lees actual movies (which I can only assume inspired it)? Donnie Yens Ip Man was easily one of my favorite protagonists among those on this list; he seems a lot more down to earth than some of the over-the-top heroes, without being so stoic he becomes unlikeable. Likewise, the cinematography here is excellent, really demonstrating how martial arts filmmaking has developed.

JONA - Ip's a really likable protagonist and it's interesting to see him get affected by history and teaching others. The action is really great, although the camera work kinda bothered me at times, but it's nothing too terrible. I really like the fight between Ip and the martial artist from the North. Weird that he's played by Ricky from Riki-Oh.

Snake - Donnie Yen is incredible in this, with energy, charisma, and confidence to match the awesome action. Despite its historical innaccuracies, Ip Man feels grounded and is never dull.
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Outlier Rankings

scarlet - 334
JONA - 327
Inviso - 312
Wickle - 310
Snake - 307
Karo - 265
Johnbobb - 166

Pretty tight middle here with Inviso passing by Wick for 3rd and Snake not being too far behind.
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Kill Bill 1 vs. Raid 1
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aw man now I'm only 99 points behind the next lowest person
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Yup, shit list.

Ready for next one already.
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WickIebee posted...

Yup, shit list.

Ready for next one already.

...IP Man literally placed the exact same position you had it in
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Johnbobb posted...

WickIebee posted...

Yup, shit list.

Ready for next one already.

...IP Man literally placed the exact same position you had it in

It was my highest left, and literally the top 2 having fucking godawful plots. Like, literally the director goes all out on literally doing jack shit if you pay attention to what's going on.
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Ip Man would probably be my #2 or #3 of ones I have seen. In large part due to having probably my favorite main character in any of these, which makes a big difference for me. The plot was also heavier than most of these, but in a good way that doesn't slow down the pacing.

Random kinda funny story when I watched the movie it was without subtitles on Netflix, with the dub. What that means, at one point on Netflix at least, is that you get no subtitles whatsoever, even when the Japanese are talking in their native tongue. Which I think actually helped a lot with immersion in the end, because I know enough Japanese to roughly follow the fairly simplistic dialogue here to an extent (context and the translator guy helped too) but not enough to fully get what they were actually saying in many cases. It was really cool and I almost think the movie would've been better if their lines had no subtitles by design-- in fact I double checked this after the movie by putting the English subs on, and all lines were subtitled there.
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just wandered into this topic and i'm not understanding what a JONA is
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kateee posted...

just wandered into this topic and i'm not understanding what a JONA is

It's the user, JONALEON1. JONA is of an Asian descent so the fuckbag thinks it's funny to associate every Asian from these films as him.
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oh. i knew there was the user but it didn't really make sense just knowing that so i thought it was some trope acronym i wasn't aware of at first.
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2. The Raid: Redemption - 58 points

scarlet - 2
Johnbobb - 3
JONA - 3
Snake - 3
Inviso - 12
Karo - 13
Wickle - 22

scarlet - The Raid: Redemption is a really fun action film, but it never does come above that. It's comfortable in being a balls-to-the-wall martial arts film, and if you're comfortable with seeing just that, then you'll have a good time with this incredibly violent film, wonderfully choreographed film. If you want a plot and characters to latch onto, you'll definitely want to be looking elsewhere. But for my money, this is probably going to be one of, if not the best action film of the decade.

Johnbobb - Holy shit this movie was impressive. I didnt realize it before watching, but I had actually had a little experience with this movie before, due to Cinefixs movie lists of the best action scenes and tensest moments in movies. And damn if this movie didnt earn both. Its honestly kind of hard to call it a martial arts movie; it has martial arts scenes, but the focus seems to be more on the gunfights and feeling of fear than anything. Honestly, this movie feels most like a horror film, playing out like a reverse home invasion with death lurking around every corner. It completely exceeded my expectations and has me hyped for the sequel.

JONA - What really makes the movie stand out is its setting. The building's small, tight corridors really make for a claustrophobic feel with enemies coming from everywhere. The action is almost nonstop and is intense with great choreography. The fight scene with Mad Dog is really great.

Snake - With some of the most consistently awesome and well-choreographed fight scenes on this list, The Raid: Redemption is non-stop funfest from the minute you press play. Gunfights, knife fights, hand-to-hand fighting, its all featured and is easily the most well-done on this list, I think even surpassing certain Kill Bill fights. I like the sort of video game-style set-up, like Rama is advancing through levels in a beat em up. Its relentless and fucking awesome.

Inviso - In terms of pure action, this movie is pretty fucking awesome. Aside from the opening half hour, which is just a SWAT team working their way through a building and trying to be stealthy about it, its a whole bunch of kickass fight scenes, usually against large groups all at once. JONAs a rookie cop that gets cut off from the rest of his crew after he improvises a bomb out of a fridge, a propane tank, and a grenade. From then on, hes forced to cart around his injured buddy while kicking the shit out of anyone who gets in his way, including both a hallway fight scene and a drug lab fight scene. Meanwhile, youve got the hilariously out of shape old dude thats somehow able to survive the river of shit heaped upon the squad, mainly because of COURSE hes a fucking traitor. Oh! And theres also crazy JONA who has the chance to shoot the cops by instead decides to fight them hand-to-hand because hes fucking crazy, takes a broken fluorescent light to the throat, continues fighting, and only loses because its a 2-on-1 handicap. If the plot were better, this would be even higherbut its kinda JUST an action movie, soyeah.

Karo - When a swat team raid goes horribly wrong a bunch of policemen end up trapped in a crime lord's tower. The cops are all ninjas because this takes place in asia. Because of some all-too-convenient plot elements they are unable to simply radio for help, and have to fight their way out floor by floor. What results is an hour or so of mindless violence that is still somewhat entertaining.
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Wickle - Honestly, the movie was kind of agitating in a story perspective. At no point would I have understood what was going on had I not looked at a synopsis, and even then What was the point? What was even their mission? And even then, I get by the end theyre set up by the man in charge of them and yet Why? Why are you just killing a bunch of your men for the sake of it? You get money, but what do you get outside of that, rather than being bribed to not send anyone there at all? I had to pause the movie because I was confused how it wasnt a sequel, when clearly we have Swat members trying to beat uh, terrorists? Maybe? What was the point to the beginning now if there wasnt anything about the killings that I saw? It had needlessly bloody fights and had no fucking point. Joy, I still have the sequel.
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1. Kill Bill: Volume 1 - 57 points

Johnbobb - 2
Snake - 2
Inviso - 3
Karo - 9
scarlet - 9
Wickle - 9
JONA - 23

Johnbobb - Man what can I even say about this? Calling it one of the best martial arts movies is a massive understatement. When I think of my all-time favorite action movies, this is one of the first to come to mind. That could be said for most Tarantino movies, honestly, though Kill Bill stands out even among his incredible filmography. Everything about this film is expertly crafted, from the music to the choreography to the character backgrounds. In Vol. 2, you never quite get the same characterization for Elle, Bud or even really Bill as you do for O-Ren in Vol. 1, who stands out as Lucy Lius best role to date by a mile. And few fights scenes in ANY medium can compare to the series of fights in the House of Blue Leaves.

Snake - This isnt just a great martial arts film, a loving ode to the classics Tarantino loved, but one of the best films ever made in my opinion. The Bride is one of cinemas strongest characters, an immovable and unflappable force of vengeance here, who still manages to maintain a feminine style. O-Ren Ishii is the perfect antagonist, with her backstory shown in an excellent anime interlude, and her danger is shown at every oppurtunity. The Bride vs. The Crazy 88s is probably my favorite scene in cinema history, and its followed up by the intense final showdown with O-Ren. Though it may feel light on story, Kill Bill is a focused, character-driven piece punctuated with some of the best action ever filmed.

Inviso - All Im gonna say is that its going to be VERY hard for any of the movies I watch AFTER this one (including Volume 2) to top how awesome Volume 1 is. I mean, seriously, going into this list, Volume 1 was like, Shaun of the Dead levels of favoritism for me, in my top ten overall. And it doesnt disappoint. You start off with the brief prologue to get the viewer intrigued, then some witty repartee with Vivica A. Fox before she gets offed. Then some backstory, then right back to introducing O-Ren via anime (which looks SO much like my Mira character). Then a brief segment with Hattori Hanzo and his assistant, JONA. And you finish it off with one of the best fight scenes in movie history, as Uma takes out a legion of suited JONAs in order to face Lucy Liu for the movies final battle. Throw in an absolutely BRILLIANT soundtrack, some fun personalities, the introduction of Elle Driver (who is my favorite character in the series), and there is not a single misstep in this film.

Karo - A girl who survives the most violent wedding outside of Westeros vows revenge on everyone involved and goes to kill them one by one. Kill Bill is far from being Tarantino's best movie, largely due to the characters being as shallow and one note as those from the dumb old kung fu flicks he idolizes. For some weird reason they act like Beatrix's name is a some big secret when you can clearly see it right on her fucking passport. Uh, I guess you think your audience is illiterate?

scarlet - Kill Bill films are actually my least favorite Tarantino films. I never buy Uma Thurman as charismatic, and therefore I cant really get behind her heroic turn. Stylistically impressive but Uma. Points for having one of my all-time favorite fights scenes however.
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Wickle - I mean, you knew this movie would get hurt a little due to gore if you heard anything about me. And if you question the gore, it was especially Gogos little kill when explaining her character. That was gross. Plenty of scenes made me look away from the movie because Im goddamn squeamish. Granted, despite that beheading being stupidly unrealistic and it being tied to her character I think O-Ren is potentially my favorite live action female character after watching this. I enjoy Yakuza people anyway, because of the Japanese honor on top of just being sheer badassness. As well, I enjoy the scene shifting and even the sequences of removing color were brilliant. I just dont like that the second kill was basically a 2 minute sequence, I bet its because she was black. O-Ren gets this super detailed backstory and then other girl just dies. I cant even remember her name and it was written on the plane again at the end. Also, I like the idea that he built hype values at the very end with showing us Buddy and Rider? Damnit, forgot her name too. And then the scene with Bill and the secretary.

JONA - It's a very stylish movie and has one really great fight scene but the style is kinda all over the place and it's just too long of a movie with scenes that go too long. Really wish the volumes were just one movie. The scene with Hattori Hanzo takes so much time for a sword that doesn't matter at all in Vol. 2. O-Ren's backstory while nice also takes a lot of time for something that also really doesn't matter. I still like the movie but it's just so bloated and too focused on style points.
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Outlier Points

JONA - 350
scarlet - 342
Wickle - 338
Inviso - 324
Snake - 309
Karo - 284
Johnbobb - 168

I win and hate everything.
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Right in the middle. Okay.

Also, KB1 was my winner going into this list. Props to SPL and Raid 2 for surpassing it.
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Really enjoyed this list a more than I expected going into it, it made me a martial arts film fan for sure.
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Yeah. Not unexpected winner once Kill Bill Vol 2 was #5 to me-- figured one of the two winning was a lock because they've got the most mainstream appeal of the set by far.

Good winner, though! Sad to hear JONA doesn't like it much since I felt I'd agreed with most of his other rankings!
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I definitely figured Kill Bill Vol. 1 would take it in the end

Really surprised how close my list was to the overall. Like really surprised, especially since I had almost no martial arts movie experience going in.

Biggest (pleasant) surprises:
The Raid 1&2
Tony Jaa
Ip Man

Biggest disappointments:
Bruce Lee
most of the 70s

At the end it's hard to call myself a martial arts fan because I really did find myself leaning a LOT more toward the modern films (the Kill Bills, the Tony Jaas, the Raids, the Zhang Ziyis) while I never really got into the original martial arts movies but I still really enjoyed doing the list overall

And this marks the end of my first ever Gauntlet ranking!
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This list ultimately felt like a waste of my time. I probably would not have watched Hero or IP Man without it, but it's like...

To have these two movies be the top 2... is utter garbage. The Raid was a fucking mess that ultimately has a closed room plot. Nothing matters to anyone outside because the people in there all are disposable garbage that not a fucking person would bat an eye about them dying. Not to mention they never really showed a point to why they were there. It's a set up that no one should have been motivated to go in because the fucking closed room plot.

And Kill Bill? Hey, let's donate 50% of a fucking movie to O-Ren and not even an 8th of the series of any of the other 4 subordinates of Bill. Because that's completely fantastic writing. It even tries to develop Beatrix and only proves that she's a rotten bitch. Bill literally probably chunks his financial system and every bit of respect an old fart has for him to get that old man to train the girl he loves and would do anything for. How does she repay him? By learning she's pregnant and making a reverse bastard out of his child by running off to hide the kid with a normal life. Because she wants the kid to be raised outside of a murderous environment? And... is there complete proof that Bill would be 100% unreasonable about such a request? No, there isn't.
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Thanks for running the list, JONA. Quite enjoyed the Raid films and they will be going to my hard drive.
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Yeah, thanks JONA, this was a lot of fun!
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I am curious though, it was a great film that I wish was less bloody by like, removing the blind girl and like... her brother? Dunno who they were to each other...

Removing me from this list, where does Raid 2 end up? It's the only one I care about because while I could not move it higher myself, I believe it deserves top 5 for anyone else.
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WickIebee posted...

Removing me from this list, where does Raid 2 end up? It's the only one I care about because while I could not move it higher myself, I believe it deserves top 5 for anyone else.

Raid 2 ends up being 2nd. Raid 1 ends up winning.
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That would have been way better.
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