Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 138: Politically Motivated Ingrates (and Corrik)

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Corrik posted...

I am almost positive the "real catastrophe" part of what Trump said is being taken out of context based on how he speaks.

Of course you feel that way.
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Very little gun laws due to strong NRA presence and lobbying preventing even adequate funding of research on gun violence. As for Public Transport, European countries are smaller than American and more city based and I'm pretty sure the cost of a car is way more expensive in Europe between higher gas and less demand of vehicles (plus a lot of rural communities have other things they would wish to budget on)

I don't know if you're trying to make me think this is bad or not, I mostly do but America culturally is very different from Europe.
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XIII_rocks posted...

("Fun" read in the independent: http://tinyurl.com/y846mvjl

(Actually a horrifying read))

Yeah, horrifying indeed. I saw a nearly identical story about migrant workers at a trump resort (I want to say it was in the UAE but I could be wrong). Granted it was vice, so it would be called fake news by many. Still, same sort of narrative.
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Speaking of the NRA

At the core, is it weapons manufacturers propping up a lobbying wing, or are they actually just amateur gun nuts taking things too seriously?
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So Dana Loesch (the crazy lady who put out those crazy ads a couple of months ago) said that Hands and Feet are just as deadly as guns...

..When was the last time someone killed 59 people with their hands and feet?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Speaking of the NRA

At the core, is it weapons manufacturers propping up a lobbying wing, or are they actually just amateur gun nuts taking things too seriously?

Mixture of both? Most funding for the NRA now comes from the weapon manufacturers
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VeryInsane posted...

I don't know if you're trying to make me think this is bad or not, I mostly do but America culturally is very different from Europe.

it seemed like you were disagreeing with me but "it's a cultural thing" was literally the first thing i said about this so now i'm confused >_>
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

VeryInsane posted...

I don't know if you're trying to make me think this is bad or not, I mostly do but America culturally is very different from Europe.

it seemed like you were disagreeing with me but "it's a cultural thing" was literally the first thing i said about this so now i'm confused >_>

Well I was just explaining why we like guns and cars way more than Europe, that's all!
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ah ok.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

I am almost positive the "real catastrophe" part of what Trump said is being taken out of context based on how he speaks.

He clearly meant that the death toll could have been much worse like Katrina and it's great that it's not

But is it so much to ask that he thinks before he speaks?

Yeah the whole comment in itself looks like he is trying to compliment the work done there to prevent loss of life.
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Dancedreamer posted...

So Dana Loesch (the crazy lady who put out those crazy ads a couple of months ago) said that Hands and Feet are just as deadly as guns...

..When was the last time someone killed 59 people with their hands and feet?

I looked it up, even Bruce Lee in all his movies combined only killed 46 people.

And I think we can agree he had the deadliest hands and feet
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/353685-trump-admin-denied-puerto-rico-request-to-let-hurricane-victims-use

PR was denied the request to temporarily allow food stamps on fast food.

And because I can see certain people justifying this

The request was approved for Texas and Florida.
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Jakyl25 posted...

I looked it up, even Bruce Lee in all his movies combined only killed 46 people.

That's funny. I texted my mom about what Dana Loesch said, and her response was: "Who's she talking about Bruce fucking Lee?"
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Very little gun laws in America compared to Europe and cars are seen as more of a luxury in Europe cause there's way better public transport.

and what's the reason there's very little gun laws in america? and why do we have way better public transport?

It is a combination of the 2nd amendment and a very strong group of lobbyists. We are taught since childhood that our right to own guns is very important to protect ourselves. Criminals could burst into our home steal, steal our stuff, and rape our women at any moment and if they don't do it the government would. But we own a gun we can prevent that or so we are told. In our more recent history groups like the NRA spend tons of money on politicians so they will create laws that favor them. The Dickey amendment is a pretty good example of this. It prohibited the government from spending money on research that might promote gun control. The NRA also uses their money on ads stoking the fear that the government is coming to take our guns and politicians are afraid to be target by these ads. That is why you always see "thoughts and prayers" and "now is not the time to be debating gun control" after every major shooting.

As far as transport goes it is probably based largely on our country's size and how spread out our people are. Cars allowed a certain amount of freedom when traveling and the more popular they became the more we designed our infrastructure around them. Outside of major cities our homes are not set up in a high enough density to justify trains, subways, or buses everywhere. Cars also allow us to come and go on our own schedule even in places that door offer some public transport.
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My Immortal posted...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/353685-trump-admin-denied-puerto-rico-request-to-let-hurricane-victims-use

PR was denied the request to temporarily allow food stamps on fast food.

And because I can see certain people justifying this

The request was approved for Texas and Florida.

MERICA FIRST!
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https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/915313200148643841

"Abortions for me, miniature American flags for others!"
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My Immortal posted...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/353685-trump-admin-denied-puerto-rico-request-to-let-hurricane-victims-use

PR was denied the request to temporarily allow food stamps on fast food.

And because I can see certain people justifying this

The request was approved for Texas and Florida.

I saw this on CE. It took 8 posts for a trump supporter to pull a "but obama..."
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KamikazePotato posted...

The Mana Sword posted...

nothing is more american than incest

http://15130-presscdn-0-89.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/ted_cruz7-1-701x467.jpg

I just threw up a little. Please don't ever link to photos of that creature again.
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re: gun control, I saw this video today and it kinda blew my mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxRf8awMBqE
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Did anyone post this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/10/01/9-million-kids-get-health-insurance-under-chip-congress-just-let-it-expire/

Good job, GOP. Those 9 million kids don't need health care THAT badly.
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XIII_rocks posted...

("Fun" read in the independent: http://tinyurl.com/y846mvjl

(Actually a horrifying read))

Wow, that was a good article until the author shamelessly dropped the ball in the last paragraph.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Did anyone post this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/10/01/9-million-kids-get-health-insurance-under-chip-congress-just-let-it-expire/

Good job, GOP. Those 9 million kids don't need health care THAT badly.

Lol. There is something wrong with you. Seriously.
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Corrik posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Did anyone post this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/10/01/9-million-kids-get-health-insurance-under-chip-congress-just-let-it-expire/

Good job, GOP. Those 9 million kids don't need health care THAT badly.

Lol. There is something wrong with you. Seriously.

...Is something he said incorrect?
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StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Did anyone post this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/10/01/9-million-kids-get-health-insurance-under-chip-congress-just-let-it-expire/

Good job, GOP. Those 9 million kids don't need health care THAT badly.

Lol. There is something wrong with you. Seriously.

...Is something he said incorrect?

Uh, let's see. There is 100 Senators. It needs Bi-Partisan support to pass. Republicans have already offered up legislation to extend it 5 years. The funds are not depleted and the program is still working as intended.

Until it is passed it is both parties fault, they can't pass it on their own.
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The Democrats wanted to pass it

Enough Republicans also wanted to pass it, but then sidelined it as a casualty of their desperate, last ditch attempt to kill Obamacare.

Mitch McConnell brings votes to the floor. It's his fault.
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redrocket_pub posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

("Fun" read in the independent: http://tinyurl.com/y846mvjl

(Actually a horrifying read))

Wow, that was a good article until the author shamelessly dropped the ball in the last paragraph.

the last paragraph was just, like, distilled white privilege

"What can you do about it? Well, nothing! So you don't have to feel guilty at all! Oh well!"

great. what a nice conclusion

Corrik posted...

Until it is passed it is both parties fault, they can't pass it on their own.

You are aware of which side has to bring something to vote to pass it in the first place, right

The Republicans chose to sideline it for more "KILL OBAMACARE" garbage

It's fair to criticize that, yes.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

Until it is passed it is both parties fault, they can't pass it on their own.

You are aware of which side has to bring something to vote to pass it in the first place, right

And they have brought a 5 year extension to the program. It is an issue with bipartisan support. So blaming it on one side is stupid. They are arguing over the things attahed to it and that makes it both sides faults. They could easily drop the side stuff and pass it or easily agree to the side stuff and pass it.

Blaming everything on Republicans is fun, but also makes you transparent.
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Corrik: If the reason it hasn't passed is not because there are not enough votes, but because Mitch McConnell will not allow the proposal to be voted on, then it is Mitch McConnell's fault. Since he is a Republican (and the Republicans can choose to replace him), then it is also their fault.
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If you think the issue has a bandage on it with this extension, that's one thing...but the problem seemed to be tabled because of Republican leadership. I'm also not ready cut them slack and believe they're being responsible with CHIP considering how they've handled other healthcare issues throughout this year.
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MalcolmMasher posted...

Corrik: If the reason it hasn't passed is not because there are not enough votes, but because Mitch McConnell will not allow the proposal to be voted on, then it is Mitch McConnell's fault. Since he is a Republican (and the Republicans can choose to replace him), then it is also their fault.

It is the entire Senate's fault. If he is not putting it up for a vote, it is because it will fail the vote. If every republican votes yes, it can still fail.

It is a failure of the entire Senate.
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It is the entire Senate's fault. If he is not putting it up for a vote, it is because it will fail the vote.

I am not aware of any requirement that an issue with 60 votes for it must be voted on.
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Corrik posted...

It is the entire Senate's fault. If he is not putting it up for a vote, it is because it will fail the vote. If every republican votes yes, it can still fail.

It is a failure of the entire Senate.

No, that's not the case. Mitch didn't bring it to a vote because he wanted to focus on Graham Cassidy. If he had brought it to the floor it would have passed.
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It's not like this deadline snuck up on them and it is the republicans who set the agenda. They chose to waste all that time trying to take away people's health insurance instead of extending CHIP. Why do you assume the only reason it hasnt been put up for a vote is because it will fail?
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lordloki12 posted...

It's not like this deadline snuck up on them and it is the republicans who set the agenda. They chose to waste all that time trying to take away people's health insurance instead of extending CHIP. Why do you assume the only reason it hasnt been put up for a vote is because it will fail?

Because he knows better and is pretending he doesn't to try to justify liking a political party that's built on hatred
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Corrik posted...

It is the entire Senate's fault. If he is not putting it up for a vote, it is because it will fail the vote. If every republican votes yes, it can still fail.

It is a failure of the entire Senate.

No, that's not the case. Mitch didn't bring it to a vote because he wanted to focus on Graham Cassidy. If he had brought it to the floor it would have passed.

They brought up the legislation tuesday. That has nothing to do with it.
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Corrik, you really need to stop shoving your foot down your throat every time you fuck up.
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MalcolmMasher posted...

It is the entire Senate's fault. If he is not putting it up for a vote, it is because it will fail the vote.

I am not aware of any requirement that an issue with 60 votes for it must be voted on.

It requires more than a simple majority.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Corrik, you really need to stop shoving your foot down your throat every time you fuck up.

No. You just are so far left you can't even have a normal conversation with even a moderate. That speaks to your own issues.
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Corrik posted...

MalcolmMasher posted...

It is the entire Senate's fault. If he is not putting it up for a vote, it is because it will fail the vote.

I am not aware of any requirement that an issue with 60 votes for it must be voted on.

It requires more than a simple majority.

A simple majority is 51. 60 is enough to bring it to a vote.
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Tuesday, Republicans announced legislation to provide five more years of funding for the program, which serves 8.9 million low-income children. No ones coverage has been cut off, but some states have laws that require them to reduce coverage if federal money starts to decrease, and officials say they need time to notify recipients of possible coverage changes.

Both parties favor continuing the federal-state program, but Democrats have opposed cuts in other health spending that Republicans have proposed to help pay for the extension.The measure would provide almost $120 billion for states over the coming five years. But it would discontinue extra federal money states have received under President Barack Obamas health-care overhaul.
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Question, since gun control is back in the mainstream, who was it that was being an asshole last time and actively bitched about how it wasn't fair to punish him for owning so many guns that he couldn't know if one was stolen or not?
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Sounds like MWC
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Corrik posted...

Tuesday, Republicans announced legislation to provide five more years of funding for the program, which serves 8.9 million low-income children. No ones coverage has been cut off, but some states have laws that require them to reduce coverage if federal money starts to decrease, and officials say they need time to notify recipients of possible coverage changes.

Both parties favor continuing the federal-state program, but Democrats have opposed cuts in other health spending that Republicans have proposed to help pay for the extension.The measure would provide almost $120 billion for states over the coming five years. But it would discontinue extra federal money states have received under President Barack Obamas health-care overhaul.

Maybe the republicans should just send out a clean version instead of trying to add in as many of the obamacare repeal amendments as possible?
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Almost certain that was MWC being ridiculous.
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lordloki12 posted...

Maybe the republicans should just send out a clean version instead of trying to add in as many of the obamacare repeal amendments as possible?

Don't be crazy! Politicians doing what they should do, instead of trying to fit in anything they want that they know might not pass anyway, holding children's healthcare hostage? That's just an outrageous expectation.
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It requires more than a simple majority.
A simple majority is 51. 60 is enough to bring it to a vote.

My understanding was that McConnell was exploiting his authority by designating other bills as higher priority, and thus delaying a vote on the CHIP extension. Does the filibuster-breaking 60 have the authority to call for an immediate vote, or am I not understanding the situation correctly?
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MalcolmMasher posted...

It requires more than a simple majority.
A simple majority is 51. 60 is enough to bring it to a vote.

My understanding was that McConnell was exploiting his authority by designating other bills as higher priority, and thus delaying a vote on the CHIP extension. Does the filibuster-breaking 60 have the authority to call for an immediate vote, or am I not understanding the situation correctly?

I meant 60 was enough to break a fillibuster. I honestly don't know if there's a way to force a vote on a bill if McConnell doesn't want to.
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