Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic: Ulti is "Legendary"

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Seginustemple
07/04/17 12:19:20 AM
#103:


Elise/Lyra are my favorites but I think the MVP of the set has to go to Stonehill Defender. That guy fucks me up
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-FFDragon-
07/04/17 5:18:30 AM
#105:


I mean, it's objectively not. The numbers don't lie, and Brode had flat out said that the nerf is a feels over reals thing.
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MariaTaylor
07/04/17 5:49:50 AM
#106:


Mind Control was the same way

the card was apparently fine for the mana cost but they nerfed it and increased the mana cost to 10 because it was annoying to play against the card
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VeryInsane
07/04/17 9:26:36 AM
#107:


Ulti was not around for Undertaker or Warsong or Force of Nature.

The fun days
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trdl23
07/04/17 9:54:14 AM
#108:


Oh god, Undertaker.

Caverns Below wasn't even "feels before reals," it was the giant elephant in the meta. Either you built a deck to prey on it, or you built a deck to prey on the ones that beat Quest Rogue. It warped everything around itself.
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Chaeix
07/04/17 10:00:21 AM
#109:


trdl23 posted...
Oh god, Undertaker.

Caverns Below wasn't even "feels before reals," it was the giant elephant in the meta. Either you built a deck to prey on it, or you built a deck to prey on the ones that beat Quest Rogue. It warped everything around itself.

this is exactly it

it was either you were fast enough to beat it or not

there's a reason why between 20 and 10 you basically only see extreme aggro and extreme anti-aggro and nothing in between
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VeryInsane
07/04/17 10:04:39 AM
#110:


You mean 20 and legend?

Also it's kinda crazy that Miracle Rogue and Freeze Mage got a ton of nerfs over the years yet still see play
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Chaeix
07/04/17 10:08:59 AM
#111:


well i don't get past 10 because i hate playing meta decks so
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Chaeix
07/04/17 10:14:50 AM
#112:


also while we're at it can we lower the health of flametongue totem to 2 please and thank you

it's so strong
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CybrMonkey
07/04/17 10:18:54 AM
#113:


VeryInsane posted...

Also it's kinda crazy that Miracle Rogue and Freeze Mage got a ton of nerfs over the years yet still see play

Well as long as Auctioneer and cheap spells exist, miracle will be there in some form. Same with Alex and Ice Block for freeze mage. And both decks have enough people dedicated to making them work that they'll be played even in a bad meta for them.
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Chaeix
07/04/17 10:24:24 AM
#114:


I was shocked they didn't retire ice block when they moved cards to wild
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FFDragon
07/04/17 12:39:34 PM
#117:


spoilers people have always played and will continue to play hyper aggressive decks in every meta

since win or lose they are the fastest decks to rank with
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Wedge Antilles
07/04/17 12:53:49 PM
#118:


Caverns Below is too powerful. And it's not.

Against the decks it's good against, it crushes them. Against the decks it's bad against, it loses pretty easily. I'm willing to bet QR has some of the highest win and loss percentages against certain decks in the game. I'm glad it's getting nerfed because it really isn't fun to play against.

Though the timing makes me think that it's getting nerfed because cards in the new expansion they're about to make would make the deck even more frustrating and they're just nerfing it for design space reasons.
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trdl23
07/04/17 1:26:54 PM
#119:


Wedge Antilles posted...
Caverns Below is too powerful. And it's not.

Against the decks it's good against, it crushes them. Against the decks it's bad against, it loses pretty easily. I'm willing to bet QR has some of the highest win and loss percentages against certain decks in the game. I'm glad it's getting nerfed because it really isn't fun to play against.

Though the timing makes me think that it's getting nerfed because cards in the new expansion they're about to make would make the deck even more frustrating and they're just nerfing it for design space reasons.

This is something Kibler discussed in the second video that Ulti linked. Quest Rogue matchups were the most lopsided in both directions.
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Camden
07/04/17 5:11:08 PM
#120:


I rolled the play a friend quest today, but I think I'll save it for tomorrow to see what exactly the double gold thing is. Do both players get 160?
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GANON1025
07/04/17 5:27:40 PM
#121:


I'm considering disenchanting my golden hunter quest for something like Lyra or some other useful legendary.
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azuarc
07/04/17 5:44:40 PM
#122:


+1 to the comments about how QR affects the meta. That's why I mentioned it in the first place. There are a lot of potentially fun, interesting decks, that I just have no interest in because without a god-tier draw against QR where you manage to pressure them to death early...essentially turning the deck into a bad aggro deck...you have a literally zero percent chance of winning. Depending on which deck you're playing, that might result in anywhere from a 5-20% chance of pulling off that feat.

Or you can just play aggro. Of course, then everyone starts playing aggro, until people start trying to figure out which aggro decks dominate the other aggro decks.

Now, the level to which this is actually happening is perhaps a little overstated. We still have decks like quest warrior, discover mage, etc. But you're going to see a tremendous meta shift after this nerf hits. And they're only changing one card. After that happens, try to tell me Caverns Below isn't (wasn't) powerful.
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Camden
07/05/17 1:30:13 PM
#123:


So, is anyone trying to get all the Rag kills for the unique emotes?

Edit: I built a deck that really shouldn't have won, just wanted to get as many kills as possible, and went 3-0 with it and got all 60 kills.
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azuarc
07/05/17 11:22:19 PM
#124:


Had no idea what you guys were talking about til I logged in.

Made a Rag deck that was supposed to just heal and play minions, and then realized I should be focused on not killing my opponent. Unfortunately I had a very hard time convinced my opponents of this until I finally made a deck that had Eadric and Tarim in it, turtled up behind Grim Patrons, and eventually started healing the other guy. He got the hint, and we worked together until fatigue to get to 102 rag kills.

Good enough for me. Now what the hell did I win?
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Camden
07/06/17 12:01:13 AM
#125:


You get fireworks when you do certain emotes, and the Greetings emote is changed.

I didn't bother trying to get my opponents to play along, that can sometimes be a challenge in co-op brawls let alone this one where you still get a pack for winning. I just assumed they wouldn't and went full-on dinky minions and rez deathrattles to try and get Rag as big as possible and let him kill my opponent and his entire board eventually.

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MariaTaylor
07/06/17 9:48:11 AM
#126:


a9fCXcO

rough translation

Knights of the Frozen Throne
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trdl23
07/06/17 11:27:11 AM
#127:


Are we finally getting Arthas?!

Please tell me we're finally getting Arthas.
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ClyTheCool
07/06/17 11:28:35 AM
#128:


10th class death knight let's go
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MariaTaylor
07/06/17 11:44:41 AM
#129:


the corrupted versions of the standard class heroes look pretty cool

I'm wondering if maybe there will be a neutral legendary that changes your hero power/class to death knight or something
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skullbone
07/06/17 11:51:22 AM
#130:


MariaTaylor posted...
the corrupted versions of the standard class heroes look pretty cool

I'm wondering if maybe there will be a neutral legendary that changes your hero power/class to death knight or something


More like 9 class legendaries that change your hero power.
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ClyTheCool
07/06/17 12:06:53 PM
#131:


Shadowform on Anduin get hype boys
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azuarc
07/06/17 12:36:11 PM
#132:


ClyTheCool posted...
Shadowform on Anduin get hype boys

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/n7ykYde9Kjk/maxresdefault.jpg ?
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ClyTheCool
07/06/17 12:47:43 PM
#133:


Yeah look at his hand in the leak

It's gonna be the age of shadowform get hype
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Camden
07/06/17 1:46:04 PM
#134:


Man, I like seeing three quests and all of them being 100+ gold.
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VeryInsane
07/06/17 10:05:23 PM
#135:


Played a little bit of quest rogue, learned why they are nerfing Caverns Below as I went like 6-1 in a short span with the only loss being Pirate Warrior. >_>
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VeryInsane
07/06/17 10:06:35 PM
#136:


Also holy crap expansion announcement now
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VeryInsane
07/06/17 10:12:09 PM
#137:


skullbone posted...
MariaTaylor posted...
the corrupted versions of the standard class heroes look pretty cool

I'm wondering if maybe there will be a neutral legendary that changes your hero power/class to death knight or something


More like 9 class legendaries that change your hero power.


Seems like you're right. Hero cards. (Though I don't know if Rexxar's is that good)

Also Lifesteal which seems to be a way to get some quick heals
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MariaTaylor
07/06/17 10:46:18 PM
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skullbone
07/06/17 11:23:57 PM
#140:


Where is the Priest legendary? I didn't see one in the video?
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Camden
07/06/17 11:28:31 PM
#141:


I didn't watch the video, just read the card spoilers in text. Can't find the post I read any longer, so I assume it was deleted because the actual image of the card shows it to be neutral.
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Chaeix
07/06/17 11:32:31 PM
#142:


Camden posted...
I didn't watch the video, just read the card spoilers in text. Can't find the post I read any longer, so I assume it was deleted because the actual image of the card shows it to be neutral.

You might mean prince keleseth which was the "if you have no 2-drops" card
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BlackDra90n
07/06/17 11:34:11 PM
#143:


Honestly I kinda wish they just made the Death Knight into a new hero.

This could be cool though.
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Camden
07/06/17 11:36:47 PM
#144:


Chaeix posted...
Camden posted...
I didn't watch the video, just read the card spoilers in text. Can't find the post I read any longer, so I assume it was deleted because the actual image of the card shows it to be neutral.

You might mean prince keleseth which was the "if you have no 2-drops" card


Yup, I just had it spoiled as a Priest card at first.
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MariaTaylor
07/06/17 11:50:02 PM
#146:


"if you have no 2-drops" is such a perfect set up for "so it's a priest card?" joke

almost a shame that it actually IS a priest card, but I guess it just means that blizzard beat us to the punchline
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Chaeix
07/06/17 11:54:15 PM
#147:


UltimaterializerX posted...
MariaTaylor posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWOo9ffCbv0


this

is cool

I am so sick of their hardon for Mage.

I think it's more that lorewise, Jaina was basically a leader in the fight against Arthas and she was crushed by his corruption (they were bffs) and so it only makes sense to have her be the one corrupted by the power of the frozen throne for irony and hypocrisy reasons

pls know lore before speaking
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Chaeix
07/06/17 11:55:11 PM
#148:


MariaTaylor posted...
"if you have no 2-drops" is such a perfect set up for "so it's a priest card?" joke

almost a shame that it actually IS a priest card, but I guess it just means that blizzard beat us to the punchline

it's neutral
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MariaTaylor
07/06/17 11:56:35 PM
#149:


oh okay. I had a hard time following the conversation you guys were having.

so I guess the joke still works!
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Chaeix
07/07/17 12:03:33 AM
#151:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Chaeix posted...

pls know lore before speaking

Who gives a shit about lore? You're actually denying Blizzard gives mage every advantage, promo video, and everything else?

well in this case it wouldn't make sense for anyone else to be there

jaina - instrumental in frozen throne lore
thrall - not really related
garrosh - not really related
uther - I actually forget, tirion fordring was more important though
rexxar - lol
valeera - who
malfurion - not related
gul'dan - not related

i was not speaking about anything except this instance, which is an independent event from everything else you have mentioned. nothing else matters except frozen throne lore for a frozen throne trailer and Warcraft fans appreciate that
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FFDragon
07/07/17 12:07:15 AM
#152:


i mean, here are all the other trailers

the only other one featuring a mage is Karazhan on technicality since Medivh is a mage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG3nb7Oam4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTyeE5oK7LQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlHx7YNWYGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKjUgLrDEbI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe7XDBtlQzg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijyMZPIsj5E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SDJgW3A_sw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsH9w5HW-9w

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Chaeix
07/07/17 12:09:46 AM
#153:


well ffd clearly the solution is to stop having expansions with mages in the lore
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