Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic: Ulti is "Legendary"

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Druid secret =O
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3 damage to all really doesn't feel druid-y.

But I still love the card.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tz9edwttng

Corpsetaker looks mildly interesting. The Divine Shield interactions, not exactly in love with those.
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9 different lich king encounters sounds awesome
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https://twitter.com/playhearthstone/status/890628871229394949

Apparently Bonemare (played by the opponent in the video) is a collectible card too - 7 mana 5/5 common neutral - give a friendly minion +4/4 and taunt.

That seems like a potentially really strong arena card that everyone will be tired of seeing.
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So it is expensive, especially if you're not playing a class that can generate minions with a hero power, and is therefore gonna be a dead topdeck surprisingly often. It's nowhere near as good as Flappy Bird, Firelands Portal, Spikeridged, etc.

still really good though.

EDIT: Even in paladin, 9 mana summon two 5/5's, one with taunt, isn't terribly broken. It's very much a win-more card -- on curve on turn 7, used to blow out an opponent on the board, it's crazy, but it's a card I'd hate to see if I'm behind.
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Bonemare should be great in arena. Similar to North Sea Kraken, though not as powerful.
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7 mana slot is a bit more contested but it's still very good, especially in Paladin (Spikeridged follow up) or Hunter (Many Sticky Deathrattles which will give this plenty of value)
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I would give anything for the name and address of every single person that helps design any random mechanic in this game, plus every single player who defends this garbage and thinks it's a good idea to have trash like Adapt in a card game.

Or anything that says 'random' on it, in fact. Games should be decided on skill and deck building ability, not dice rolling.

Ben Brode still having a job in this country is the #1 example Trump is failing as a president. It's long past time to fire idiots who don't know what the hell they're doing. The dumbass actually said Frozen Throne has a new card type one set after quests came out. Fucking get rid of this shit stain and fix the game already. Remove ALL random effects. Problem solved.
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Ulti, I thought you said you had put that kind of rant behind you...
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You sound a little like me complaining about shamans last night.
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Adapt is fine.

HS is built on doing things standard CCGs can't do, and randomness is part of that.

If you don't like that core concept, you don't like HS.

But we've been over this all before and imagine we will again.
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Adapt is typically okay.

Know whats not?

When you discover cards from multiple classes. Why did they do that. Or discover a card and then discount it by the mana you paid to cast the discover card. Why. IMO a lot of issues with the current game are discovers fault. Which is weird because discover was not really that important when it was first released.
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KokoroAkechi posted...

Adapt is typically okay.

Know whats not?

When you discover cards from multiple classes. Why did they do that. Or discover a card and then discount it by the mana you paid to cast the discover card. Why. IMO a lot of issues with the current game are discovers fault. Which is weird because discover was not really that important when it was first released.

regardless of how strong some discover mechanics are, ivory knight remains one of the best designed cards in the game

at least imo
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I love Discover. It's somewhat controlled RNG.

I would like it to reveal to both players what was chosen though.
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ClyTheCool posted...

I love Discover. It's somewhat controlled RNG.

I would like it to reveal to both players what was chosen though.

The experience when you are on the receiving end of a discover is much worse than how good it is to be on the side of discovering it.

It's basically how you feel when priest thoughtstole a card from you and kills you with it somehow, only you can't play around "Oh this guy got a random card from somewhere, do I play around Tirion or the 3/3 everything guy?" "Wait this guy discovered something from priest, warlock ,or mage? Fuck which aoe do i think he has?"
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Emerald Reaver
Lightwarden
Acidic Swamp Ooze
Arcanologist
Flame Geyser
Loot Horder
Medivh's Valet
Shimmering Tempest
Hired Gun x2
Kirin Tor Mage
Mana Bind
Manic Soulcaster
Mirror Entity
Stonehill
Volcanic Potion
Fireball
Kooky Chemist
Midnight Drake
Steam Surger
Stranglethorn Tiger
Ancient of BLossoms
Blizzard
Deffias Cleaner
Meteor
Moat Lurker
Nerubian Prophet
Volcanosaur
Tortolian Primalist
Great Mastodon

Such garbage. 12-2. WTF. 2-drops too stronk I guess.
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KokoroAkechi posted...

ClyTheCool posted...

I love Discover. It's somewhat controlled RNG.

I would like it to reveal to both players what was chosen though.

The experience when you are on the receiving end of a discover is much worse than how good it is to be on the side of discovering it.

It's basically how you feel when priest thoughtstole a card from you and kills you with it somehow, only you can't play around "Oh this guy got a random card from somewhere, do I play around Tirion or the 3/3 everything guy?" "Wait this guy discovered something from priest, warlock ,or mage? Fuck which aoe do i think he has?"

It's especially bad in Arena. Just had someone on mage with an empty hand top deck the 2/2 minion that lets you discover from 3 classes. Discovered Greater Word Pain to kill my Deathwing that would have given me lethal next turn.

I still won anyway but that sort of stuff shouldn't happen.

discover used to be one of the best random mechanics, they turned it into one of the worst by taking it too far. that said I do agree that Ivory Knight is one of the best designed cards in recent memory. Karazhan had a few gems. The Curator is another one of my favorites (not a discover card, just another Karazhan card).
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Man, arena skill level is really terrible right now. So far today:

Mage - 12-2
Rogue - 6-3
Paladin - 5-3

The Paladin deck in particular has no fucking business getting 5 wins. When I drafted it I genuinely thought I might get zero wins with it. It is possibly the worst deck I have ever drafted. Absolutely no early game whatsoever and all mid-late game were bad cards.

Ah so of course after saying that I get bitchslapped into a 2-3 Rogue run next Arena run.

But it's ok, it rewarded my badness with a Golden Kalimos. Primal Lord from the pack. That's my first golden legendary

PENGUINS

<3 <3 <3 <3
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(It's a 0-mana 1/1 beast, for those not watching the stream)

Ignoring the fact that 1-mana devolves are now objectively better, it can also just come up on Stampede RNG. <3
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Stream?
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https://www.twitch.tv/playhearthstone

Defile (2-mana, deal 1 damage to all minions, recast if anything dies) is the anti-aggro card control warlock needed. Holy wow.
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Defile looks pretty good, and I love Discover-a-Rez.

Also feels like, even with all of the freeze synergy coming out, Frozen Shaman still won't be any good.

Edit: If you would have told me when Keleseth was announced that there were going to be two more prince cards, I never would have guessed they would have both been weaker.

Mage DK needs to actually kill a minion to summon the Water Elemental? Why does this cost 9?
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dowolf posted...

https://www.twitch.tv/playhearthstone

Defile (2-mana, deal 1 damage to all minions, recast if anything dies) is the anti-aggro card control warlock needed. Holy wow.

they nerfed dreadsteed for this

fuck em
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Do I get full dust refund for dreadsteed
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Anyway Penguin seems good for zombeasts, Defile is really good

Shadowblade is great, probably my favorite card revealed today
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VeryInsane posted...

Do I get full dust refund for dreadsteed

Reddit thread says yes.
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wait, they nerfed dreadsteed? Man, I am so out of the loop.

okay, read the nerf. Kinda sad. Not that Dreadsteed got played in anything outside of select tavern brawls, really, but there were some interesting possibilities with it. Couldn't they just make it so that new Dreadsteeds don't get summoned until after the processing on Defile?
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If the choices are "make unmaintainable spaghetti code in order to handle one specific interaction" and "minor nerf to an unplayable card," the correct choice is the latter.
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Yeah, I guess. It still seems like they're destroying the entire purpose of Dreadsteed, though. A 1/1 for 4 that returns at the end of the turn is absolute turbo fodder. Probably bottom ten across all sets.
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it's actually a major nerf to a niche card

there are actually a few fun wild dreadsteed decks that just died today

and yes I mad
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FFDragon posted...

there are actually a few fun wild dreadsteed decks that just died today

There are, and although they aren't tier-anything, they're amusing to encounter.
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downsides to newbie arena meta: occasionally, for no good reason, they just have a vanish to use against your living mana.
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Yeah.

On the bright side, in the very next match, I had an opponent who didn't kill a flappy bird, given the chance.

And he had a lot of chances.

w/e I'll take my karmic win-trade.

UltimaterializerX posted...

It doesn't even fix the problem. Patron plus a single 1 health minion does the same thing.

Just make Dreadsteed a 1/2.

Patron loops will terminate, actually, though it can take a while. Or at least simple ones do. More complicated ones might not? I'm way too lazy to simulate.
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yep


THE GAME BEGINS
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Just make Dreadsteed a 1/2.

This makes more sense. Unfortunately it doesn't work. You could copy the dreadsteed (which is done in dreadsteed decks) and if they're at different health totals, you could have the same thing happen.

An easier fix would be to just make it so the recast on Defile takes priority over other effects. That way you don't clear the board of patrons and dreadsteeds don't respawn until after it finishes. That's not as spaghetti code-ish as altering Dreadsteed to respond at the end of the stack. Maybe you just rephrase Defile to say "repeat this effect if it reduces a minion's health to zero."
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That's a major nerf to Defile, given the number of deathrattle - spawn a creature effects in the game.

It also wouldn't solve the problem because, unlike e.g. Magic, triggers are allowed to interrupt effects midway through (c.f. volcano + hydra, or mad scientist + SI-7 agent + Mirror Entity).
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Get in here!
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Play Undertale.
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