Poll of the Day > So this "otherkin" BS is all just a joke, right?

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These people that claim they're "dragon-kin" or "plant-kin" or whatever the fuck else don't actually believe that right?

Like they're just doing it for attention... right..?
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How sheltered are you where this is the craziest thing you can think of?
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It's as BS as transgenderism, you can take that either way.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's as BS as transgenderism, you can take that either way.

Transpeople actually undergo pretty radical body modifications.

Otherkin are more like Non-Binary in that sense. It's something made up for attention, but they'll defend it as part of their identity because they have nothing else going on in their empty little lives.
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Mental illness is a real thing.

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's as BS as transgenderism, you can take that either way.

Transpeople actually undergo pretty radical body modifications.

Otherkin are more like Non-Binary in that sense. It's something made up for attention, but they'll defend it as part of their identity because they have nothing else going on in their empty little lives.

Do you think people don't go under radical body modifications for attention? And I'm sure otherkin would go ahead with surgery if a surgeon would approve them.
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Otherkin is about as much of a joke as transgenderism, Non-binaryism and alt-genderisms are.

I sexually identify as a tank.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

And I'm sure otherkin would go ahead with surgery if a surgeon would approve them.

The way a surgeon didn't approve Stalking Cat? He was legit.

Otherkin are just confused kids.
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Judgmenl posted...

Otherkin is about as much of a joke as transgenderism, Non-binaryism and alt-genderisms are.

I sexually identify as a tank.

And I sexually identify as a Diablo 2 Battle Chest box.

Nasada19 posted...

How sheltered are you where this is the craziest thing you can think of?

Who said it was..?
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J_aaron posted...

Judgmenl posted...

Otherkin is about as much of a joke as transgenderism, Non-binaryism and alt-genderisms are.

I sexually identify as a tank.

And I sexually identify as a Diablo 2 Battle Chest box.

Cool. you wanna go out sometime?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's as BS as transgenderism, you can take that either way.

Except for the part where gender identity is a pretty easy concept to understand (do you have to double-check what's in your pants to feel like a man?), and therefore the concept of identifying as a different gender is pretty plausible. Inanimate objects and non-sentient creatures, however, don't have identities in the human sense, making the concept of identifying as them notably less than plausible.

Judgmenl posted...

Otherkin is about as much of a joke as transgenderism, Non-binaryism and alt-genderisms are.

I sexually identify as a tank.

"I'm not anti-trans and I don't know why you people keep saying that I am." (Paraphrased)
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adjl posted...

"I'm not anti-trans and I don't know why you people keep saying that I am." (Paraphrased)

Never said that. Otherkin is as valid as a gender as any of the other alt-genders.
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Zangulus posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's as BS as transgenderism, you can take that either way.

I guess it's your day for having opinions that have no root in fact despite easily obtainable evidence to prove otherwise.

Do provide evidence that legitimises sexual dysphoria that doesn't also apply to species dysphoria.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Zangulus posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's as BS as transgenderism, you can take that either way.

I guess it's your day for having opinions that have no root in fact despite easily obtainable evidence to prove otherwise.

Do provide evidence that legitimises sexual dysphoria that doesn't also apply to species dysphoria.

Probably not worth the effort. If you're being this obtuse about it and refusing to actually consider the plausibility of what you're saying, you aren't going to let a little something like empirical evidence sway your opinion.
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adjl posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Zangulus posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's as BS as transgenderism, you can take that either way.

I guess it's your day for having opinions that have no root in fact despite easily obtainable evidence to prove otherwise.

Do provide evidence that legitimises sexual dysphoria that doesn't also apply to species dysphoria.

Probably not worth the effort. If you're being this obtuse about it and refusing to actually consider the plausibility of what you're saying, you aren't going to let a little something like empirical evidence sway your opinion.

classic adjl

"i cant discount what youre saying, so im going to act like its completely absurd and doesnt even warrant a response"


and that my friends is the story of how donald trump won the election.
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adjl posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Zangulus posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's as BS as transgenderism, you can take that either way.

I guess it's your day for having opinions that have no root in fact despite easily obtainable evidence to prove otherwise.

Do provide evidence that legitimises sexual dysphoria that doesn't also apply to species dysphoria.

Probably not worth the effort. If you're being this obtuse about it and refusing to actually consider the plausibility of what you're saying, you aren't going to let a little something like empirical evidence sway your opinion.

It's literally being in denial of what you physically are, the extent you are confused is largely irrelevant.
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I don't even know anymore fam
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Troll_Police_ posted...

classic adjl

"i cant discount what youre saying, so im going to act like its completely absurd and doesnt even warrant a response"

That sounds more like you than me. Recognizing that there's no point in putting in more effort than I already have is quite different from refusing to ever try.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's literally being in denial of what you physically are, the extent you are confused is largely irrelevant.

Those are awfully broad statements for something as finely nuanced as human psychology. Like, uselessly broad. So broad you're just making yourself look silly. My condolences.
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J_aaron posted...

Judgmenl posted...

Otherkin is about as much of a joke as transgenderism, Non-binaryism and alt-genderisms are.

I sexually identify as a tank.

And I sexually identify as a Diablo 2 Battle Chest box.

Ok, thats freaking sexy!!
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Zangulus posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's as BS as transgenderism, you can take that either way.

I guess it's your day for having opinions that have no root in fact despite easily obtainable evidence to prove otherwise.

Do provide evidence that legitimises sexual dysphoria that doesn't also apply to species dysphoria.

Well for starters, intersex is a known quantity, but I've seen no evidence of interspecies being a thing other than the anecdotal reports of Otherkin (and self reporting from a biased sample is worthless from a scientific perspective). Some transpeople definitely do show biological markers of being intersex to some extent, and it could well be that there are even more markers as of yet undiscovered that explain the phenomenon of transpeople with no apparent intersex characteristics.

Could this also exist for Otherkin? Perhaps, but there's no data affirmatively supporting the claim either.
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Well for starters, intersex is a known quantity, but I've seen no evidence of interspecies being a thing other than the anecdotal reports of Otherkin (and self reporting from a biased sample is worthless from a scientific perspective). Some transpeople definitely do show biological markers of being intersex to some extent, and it could well be that there are even more markers as of yet undiscovered that explain the phenomenon of transpeople with no apparent intersex characteristics.

Could this also exist for Otherkin? Perhaps, but there's no data affirmatively supporting the claim either.

Before latching on to the gay community the same could be said for transgenders, the issue is a lack of research which was/is a transgender issue too. (btw, non-black-and-white gender characteristics aren't unique to transgenders and the data is used to push the SJW agenda)
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Judgmenl posted...

Otherkin is about as much of a joke as transgenderism, Non-binaryism and alt-genderisms are.

I sexually identify as a tank.

There was a boy born with malformed genitals once, so they chopped them off and called him a girl.

He was so traumatized having had to live as the wrong gender he killed himself later in his life.

That's why I believe transgenders, and that's also why I get angry at people saying there are 32 genders. One is real, the other is people riding transgenderism like its the next fad. Basically what emos did to depressed people.

I think it goes without saying there's something wrong with otherkin's minds, and it isn't clinical.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Before latching on to the gay community the same could be said for transgenders, the issue is a lack of research which was/is a transgender issue too. (btw, non-black-and-white gender characteristics aren't unique to transgenders and the data is used to push the SJW agenda)

Ok, so we both agree the issue is a lack of research. In other words, you can't say the arguments for transpeople are the same as for Otherkin, because we don't know what the arguments for Otherkin even are, or if there even are any.

Now, I'm still comfortable dismissing otherkin, because there isn't exactly an error prone biological process separating humans from dogs in the same way as there is separating the human sexes.
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Ok, so we both agree the issue is a lack of research. In other words, you can't say the arguments for transpeople are the same as for Otherkin, because we don't know what the arguments for Otherkin even are, or if there even are any.

No, they are both identity dysphorias and there is NO evidence that they aren't caused by the same issue.

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Now, I'm still comfortable dismissing otherkin, because there isn't exactly an error prone biological process separating humans from dogs in the same way as there is separating the human sexes.

You don't accidentally gender either, it is a mental issue that's exacerbated by androgyny.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

No, they are both identity dysphorias and there is NO evidence that they aren't caused by the same issue.

It's more like we kinda sorta have some idea what causes some transpeople, and there's NO evidence that the same mechanism applies to Otherkin. In fact, it's extraordinarily unlikely to have any connection.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

You don't accidentally gender either, it is a mental issue that's exacerbated by androgyny.

lol, if you say so.
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Yellow posted...

Judgmenl posted...

Otherkin is about as much of a joke as transgenderism, Non-binaryism and alt-genderisms are.

I sexually identify as a tank.

There was a boy born with malformed genitals once, so they chopped them off and called him a girl.

He was so traumatized having had to live as the wrong gender he killed himself later in his life.

That's why I believe transgenders, and that's also why I get angry at people saying there are 32 genders. One is real, the other is people riding transgenderism like its the next fad. Basically what emos did to depressed people.

I think it goes without saying there's something wrong with otherkin's minds, and it isn't clinical.

Okay, I really feel for the guy but there are 7 billion people on this planet.
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yeah who cares if there's a surprisingly common disorder that can bring people to suicide, i mean really guys.

while we're at it, fuck depression and anxiety, too. why stop at mental disorders, even? there are indeed roughly 7 billion people living on this planet, plenty of them are perfectly healthy and have money to stay that way. let's focus on those guys.
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Transpeople actually undergo pretty radical body modifications.

If that's your metric, then you're in for a rude awakening.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3524063/Transgender-woman-Eva-Tiamat-Medusa-ears-nose-removed-dragon-lady.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1052934/Cat-Man--human-tiger-enjoys-climbing-trees-eats-raw-meat-day.html
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Smarkil posted...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1052934/Cat-Man--human-tiger-enjoys-climbing-trees-eats-raw-meat-day.html

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

The way a surgeon didn't approve Stalking Cat? He was legit.

Smarkil posted...

you're in for a rude awakening.

Try again.
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's as BS as transgenderism, you can take that either way.

Transpeople actually undergo pretty radical body modifications.

Otherkin are more like Non-Binary in that sense. It's something made up for attention, but they'll defend it as part of their identity because they have nothing else going on in their empty little lives.

If the surgery existed, I'm sure at least some would take it. After all, there have been a *few* guys who modified themselves to look more like a tiger and those have been pretty "radical" body modifications.

Honestly, if the capabilities existed, I'm sure a lot of people would likely opt for animal-like features. A monkey tail would certainly be a useful thing.

adjl posted...

Except for the part where gender identity is a pretty easy concept to understand (do you have to double-check what's in your pants to feel like a man?), and therefore the concept of identifying as a different gender is pretty plausible. Inanimate objects and non-sentient creatures, however, don't have identities in the human sense, making the concept of identifying as them notably less than plausible.

Except this is also a pretty easy concept to understand.
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Try again.

But the point is that surgery in and of itself is not a good determinant for 'legitness'.

I mean, there are supposedly transabled people that would love to have their legs chopped off and shit too. There are also a lot of transgender people that never have surgery.

The implication appears to be that if they're not going for surgery, then they're not serious about their situation.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's as BS as transgenderism, you can take that either way.

Transpeople actually undergo pretty radical body modifications.

Otherkin are more like Non-Binary in that sense. It's something made up for attention, but they'll defend it as part of their identity because they have nothing else going on in their empty little lives.

Do you think people don't go under radical body modifications for attention? And I'm sure otherkin would go ahead with surgery if a surgeon would approve them.

They don't. It's a matter of self comfort, and far less to do with other people. Try thinking of it this way: If you had a sixth toe on one foot that hardly anyone ever sees (because of shoes) but it bugged the shit out of you, would you call its removal a relief or would you call it an attention grab? It's a separate issue, but transgenders often face it not because they plan to show their new parts to everyone. It's not like numerous vegans who go on and on and on about their diets when nobody asked them. It's not like various door-to-door religion salesmen who want to inject THEIR beliefs and church into YOUR life when you just want to sleep in on a Saturday or Sunday morning. It's people having something done well within the realm of science and medicine because it helps them feel better in life. As such alterations become easier and more advanced, I'm sure more and more people will ask for your respect but ultimately won't care if you know about their changes or not.
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Smarkil posted...

The implication appears to be that if they're not going for surgery, then they're not serious about their situation.

I'll say this for sure: if they are going for the surgery, then they are serious. Whatever their reasons for doing it, whatever the underlying emotional and motivational state, once they change their body over it they're committed whether or not their intentions are (for lack of a better word) pure.

It's maybe a little trite to say it, but yes actions do speak louder than words.

And I've known more than a couple of transpeople that absolutely destroyed their physical appearances in order to transition. This wasn't some kind of fashion statement to them. I won't say it didn't matter that they could never pass because it absolutely did, but transitioning gave them a sense of peace even if they never achieved social acceptance. That's pretty serious.

Now, it's a stretch to say someone who isn't undergoing all that isn't serious, but what isn't a stretch is to say it's the only metric worth a damn. Otherwise it's all talk - by definition, and anyone can talk whether they're serious or not.
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For instance, there are transgender people who are unable to do the surgery or even the hormones due to financial situations, not counting those who are killed due to societal situations. <_<
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