Poll of the Day > Why don't they just nuke ISIS?

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have no idera why they have allowd them to exist for so long
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Because doing so would kill more innocent people than ISIS could in 20 years.
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Same reason they couldn't nuke the Black Panthers, they live among civilians.
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adjl posted...

Because doing so would kill more innocent people than ISIS could in 20 years.

20 years is a lot of time.
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Flame_Hazard posted...

adjl posted...

Because doing so would kill more innocent people than ISIS could in 20 years.

20 years is a lot of time.

And they'll be lucky if they can manage more than a thousand civilian casualties a year. 20,000 civilian casualties is chump change for a nuke. Depending on where ISIS decides to hole up, 200,000 could be chump change for a nuke. One nuke. Nukes are ****ing terrifying.
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Lokarin posted...

Same reason they couldn't nuke the Black Panthers, they live among civilians.

Oh I see
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adjl posted...

Flame_Hazard posted...

adjl posted...

Because doing so would kill more innocent people than ISIS could in 20 years.

20 years is a lot of time.

And they'll be lucky if they can manage more than a thousand civilian casualties a year. 20,000 civilian casualties is chump change for a nuke. Depending on where ISIS decides to hole up, 200,000 could be chump change for a nuke. One nuke. Nukes are ****ing terrifying.

I suppose what I'm getting at is that anything could happen in 20 years. ISIS could get bigger. ISIS could get their own nukes. They could get something worse than a nuke that doesn't exist (or isn't known to exist) yet. All a big question mark, with the only certainty being that ISIS will continue to try to become this big nightmare. Whether or not they make it is anyone's guess.

Not to say we should nuke them. Tons of civilian casualties, and I'm not politically savvy enough to know for sure, but I imagine there would be serious consequences as well..
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ISIS is not having a meeting in the desert with all its members at once, so how many nukes are you going to throw at them?
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Flame_Hazard posted...

I suppose what I'm getting at is that anything could happen in 20 years. ISIS could get bigger. ISIS could get their own nukes. They could get something worse than a nuke that doesn't exist (or isn't known to exist) yet. All a big question mark, with the only certainty being that ISIS will continue to try to become this big nightmare. Whether or not they make it is anyone's guess.

Given the constant efforts to prevent them from growing, I wouldn't expect that kind of growth to happen. I'm presuming the question here is "current approach vs. nuking," and the current approach means they aren't ever going to be developing that kind of power.

If, hypothetically, ISIS did become a legitimate nuclear threat? Then I think nuking them would be on the table, because the stakes would be high enough to justify the collateral damage. I don't see that happening, though.
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Because ISIS doesn't exist. Stop letting the news think for you.

zebatov posted...

Because ISIS doesn't exist. Stop letting the news think for you.

Please elaborate. I gotta hear this one.
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We don't have Metal Gears that can shoot undetectable stealth nukes form any location and don't technically qualify as "missiles".
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Mead posted...

zebatov posted...

Because ISIS doesn't exist. Stop letting the news think for you.

Please elaborate. I gotta hear this one.

That dude is so fucking weird.

That'll just create sympathizers, more anti-American sentiment, and recruits for terrorist organizations
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

That'll just create sympathizers, more anti-American sentiment, and recruits for terrorist organizations

This.

minervo posted...

JOExHIGASHI posted...

That'll just create sympathizers, more anti-American sentiment, and recruits for terrorist organizations

This.

Actually; I've always disagreed with this reasoning... because you can just take out the new guys over and over until there's no one left.
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Lokarin posted...

minervo posted...

JOExHIGASHI posted...

That'll just create sympathizers, more anti-American sentiment, and recruits for terrorist organizations

This.

Actually; I've always disagreed with this reasoning... because you can just take out the new guys over and over until there's no one left.

That isn't feasible politically. We have allies in the region that don't appreciate having nukes so close to them and other countries don't like the idea of us using nukes so often and arguably needlessly. We'll probably turn our own citizens into sympathizers
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

Lokarin posted...

minervo posted...

JOExHIGASHI posted...

That'll just create sympathizers, more anti-American sentiment, and recruits for terrorist organizations

This.

Actually; I've always disagreed with this reasoning... because you can just take out the new guys over and over until there's no one left.

That isn't feasible politically. We have allies in the region that don't appreciate having nukes so close to them and other countries don't like the idea of us using nukes so often and arguably needlessly. We'll probably turn our own citizens into sympathizers

I wasn't referring to nukes; just the regular current anti-terrorist tactics/
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they aren't all in 1 place. and they are holding areas where normal people live too. it'd be like nuking Topeka kansas to destroy the westboro baptist church.
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You know the government creates these groups, right? They never defeated Al Qaeda, but you don't hear about them anymore. They never defeated the group before them, etc etc. ISIS is just the next "group" that's been created to put fear into you and make you hate. Another control tactic. Brainwashing, etc.

I find it funny that a lot of you are the "seeing is believing" type, but just take their word that they actually killed "Osama". But please, continue blindly trusting and following your government without questioning a single thing. Don't do any research! Don't believe your fellow man over them. I mean, the "government", or, the powers-that-be have nothing to lose... right? Why would they ever lie...?

So, the answer to the question is... because there is nobody to bomb. "They" have allowed "them" to exist for so long. Who is "them"? Show me. Show me proof. Bring "them" to my door. Bring the ID. Bring the blood tests. Bring the documentation, the proof, the evidence.

You can't. And I say again, stop accepting what the media is telling you as fact. None of the shit you take for granted as proof or evidence would hold up in court beyond circumstantial. But oh, man, when it comes to this kind of thing, none of that matters.

Yeah. I'm so fucking weird. It would seem that way to the brainwashed sheep, wouldn't it? "Don't question my leaderrrr..."

What's the populace going to do? Fly over there and wage personal ground wars?

Obviously not - we're powerless, so we can safely ignore the problem.
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i thought linda was supposed to have taken care of isis already
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zebatov posted...

You know the government creates these groups, right? They never defeated Al Qaeda, but you don't hear about them anymore. They never defeated the group before them, etc etc. ISIS is just the next "group" that's been created to put fear into you and make you hate. Another control tactic. Brainwashing, etc.

I find it funny that a lot of you are the "seeing is believing" type, but just take their word that they actually killed "Osama". But please, continue blindly trusting and following your government without questioning a single thing. Don't do any research! Don't believe your fellow man over them. I mean, the "government", or, the powers-that-be have nothing to lose... right? Why would they ever lie...?

So, the answer to the question is... because there is nobody to bomb. "They" have allowed "them" to exist for so long. Who is "them"? Show me. Show me proof. Bring "them" to my door. Bring the ID. Bring the blood tests. Bring the documentation, the proof, the evidence.

You can't. And I say again, stop accepting what the media is telling you as fact. None of the shit you take for granted as proof or evidence would hold up in court beyond circumstantial. But oh, man, when it comes to this kind of thing, none of that matters.

Yeah. I'm so fucking weird. It would seem that way to the brainwashed sheep, wouldn't it? "Don't question my leaderrrr..."

first off

you need to stop drinking the koolade

secondly

you can go watch plenty of videos from isis where they massacre a whole bunch of people

what exactly is a blood test going to do?
what would documentation do? what kind of documentation, exactly?
Identification cards? you think they just carry those around?

you're the kind of person who wouldn't vaccinate their children, god forbid you ever have any.
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zebatov posted...

You know the government creates these groups, right? They never defeated Al Qaeda, but you don't hear about them anymore. They never defeated the group before them, etc etc. ISIS is just the next "group" that's been created to put fear into you and make you hate. Another control tactic. Brainwashing, etc.

I find it funny that a lot of you are the "seeing is believing" type, but just take their word that they actually killed "Osama". But please, continue blindly trusting and following your government without questioning a single thing. Don't do any research! Don't believe your fellow man over them. I mean, the "government", or, the powers-that-be have nothing to lose... right? Why would they ever lie...?

So, the answer to the question is... because there is nobody to bomb. "They" have allowed "them" to exist for so long. Who is "them"? Show me. Show me proof. Bring "them" to my door. Bring the ID. Bring the blood tests. Bring the documentation, the proof, the evidence.

You can't. And I say again, stop accepting what the media is telling you as fact. None of the shit you take for granted as proof or evidence would hold up in court beyond circumstantial. But oh, man, when it comes to this kind of thing, none of that matters.

Yeah. I'm so fucking weird. It would seem that way to the brainwashed sheep, wouldn't it? "Don't question my leaderrrr..."

I remember when I was 15.
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zebatov posted...

You know the government creates these groups, right? They never defeated Al Qaeda, but you don't hear about them anymore. They never defeated the group before them, etc etc. ISIS is just the next "group" that's been created to put fear into you and make you hate. Another control tactic. Brainwashing, etc.

I find it funny that a lot of you are the "seeing is believing" type, but just take their word that they actually killed "Osama". But please, continue blindly trusting and following your government without questioning a single thing. Don't do any research! Don't believe your fellow man over them. I mean, the "government", or, the powers-that-be have nothing to lose... right? Why would they ever lie...?

So, the answer to the question is... because there is nobody to bomb. "They" have allowed "them" to exist for so long. Who is "them"? Show me. Show me proof. Bring "them" to my door. Bring the ID. Bring the blood tests. Bring the documentation, the proof, the evidence.

You can't. And I say again, stop accepting what the media is telling you as fact. None of the shit you take for granted as proof or evidence would hold up in court beyond circumstantial. But oh, man, when it comes to this kind of thing, none of that matters.

Yeah. I'm so fucking weird. It would seem that way to the brainwashed sheep, wouldn't it? "Don't question my leaderrrr..."

Do you also believe the earth is flat?
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Of course I wouldn't. I've seen the proof behind it. Watch the movie "Vaxxed". Real people have no reason to lie to others. The government does, if the sarcasm in my post wasnt thick enough. Anyone who does vaccinate hasn't done their homework.

And oh yeah, vaccinations save lives... like we need more of that. The earth is overpopulated already. And the majority, not mentioning any names, is quite stupid. We definitely don't need more of that. You want your family generations down the line to be literally shoulder-to-shoulder? Because if something isn't done, that's what's going to happen. Soon, the liberals will have to let go and accept a worldwide one-child policy. And a related step in that will be that you need to get a permit to have a child.

We did just fine before vaccines. So some people died, boohoo. That was in their plan. And don't worry, if we lost a scientist or two, another one will come along. I'll tell you who isn't going to become a scientist more often than not - Autistic kids. So go ahead and vax your children. Proof's in the pudding, if you know what I mean.

Secondly, sure, I've seen the videos. I've also seen all the black flags that say "We are ISIS" in plain and easy-to-read English. I've seen all the evidence proving they are part of a terrorist organization called "ISIS".

Oh, wait... no I haven't. Because that's BS.

Blood test? Better forensically than a fingerprint. You... know what a fingerprint is good for... don't you, helly?

Can't believe you're actually arguing against having them provide evidence over simply watching a video online that can be easily doctored in 2017.

Yeah, also remember being fifteen.

SusanGreenEyes posted...

Do you also believe the earth is flat?

No, because there's evidence proving otherwise.

Is that a serious question? Better luck next time.

zebatov posted...

We did just fine before vaccines. So some people died, boohoo. That was in their plan. And don't worry, if we lost a scientist or two, another one will come along. I'll tell you who isn't going to become a scientist more often than not - Autistic kids. So go ahead and vax your children. Proof's in the pudding, if you know what I mean.

wat
Man, I remembered when I tried to be cool, it was never this bad, but still.

shadowsword87 posted...

wat

shadowsword87 posted...

Man, I remembered when I tried to be cool, it was never this bad, but still.

No sense in quoting me. It's them you're after.

zebatov posted...

Of course I wouldn't. I've seen the proof behind it. Watch the movie "Vaxxed". Real people have no reason to lie to others. The government does, if the sarcasm in my post wasnt thick enough. Anyone who does vaccinate hasn't done their homework.

And oh yeah, vaccinations save lives... like we need more of that. The earth is overpopulated already. And the majority, not mentioning any names, is quite stupid. We definitely don't need more of that. You want your family generations down the line to be literally shoulder-to-shoulder? Because if something isn't done, that's what's going to happen. Soon, the liberals will have to let go and accept a worldwide one-child policy. And a related step in that will be that you need to get a permit to have a child.

We did just fine before vaccines. So some people died, boohoo. That was in their plan. And don't worry, if we lost a scientist or two, another one will come along. I'll tell you who isn't going to become a scientist more often than not - ___________kids. So go ahead and vax your children. Proof's in the pudding, if you know what I mean.

Secondly, sure, I've seen the videos. I've also seen all the black flags that say "We are ISIS" in plain and easy-to-read English. I've seen all the evidence proving they are part of a terrorist organization called "ISIS".

Oh, wait... no I haven't. Because that's BS.

Blood test? Better forensically than a fingerprint. You... know what a fingerprint is good for... don't you, helly?

Can't believe you're actually arguing against having them provide evidence over simply watching a video online that can be easily doctored in 2017.

Yeah, also remember being fifteen.

SusanGreenEyes posted...

Do you also believe the earth is flat?

No, because there's evidence proving otherwise.

Is that a serious question? Better luck next time.

I'm asking because I know a guy in real life who believes that:
1) The earth is flat
2) Isis doesn't exist
3) There is a literal dome over the earth
4) We never went to space (see #2 and 3)
5) 9/11 was an inside job

I'm just seeing how far down the rabbit hole we're traveling.
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SusanGreenEyes posted...

I'm asking because I know a guy in real life who believes that:
1) The earth is flat
2) Isis doesn't exist
3) There is a literal dome over the earth
4) We never went to space (see #2 and 3)
5) 9/11 was an inside job

I'm just seeing how far down the rabbit hole we're traveling.

Well, two and five are absolutely correct, and four is partially correct. We've been to space, but not the moon. There's no reason to have gone there. That had to do with the US/Russian space race, and we all know the US has to be the biggest, best and first at everything, even though the opposite is reality. So they faked it, because who really wants to be number two?

For those who believe it did happen, what did all those tax dollars get you? A flag on the moon? Congrats...

zebatov posted...

There's no reason to have gone there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g25G1M4EXrQ

zebatov posted...

we all know the US has to be the biggest, best and first at everything, even though the opposite is reality. So they faked it, because who really wants to be number two?

If there was a shred of doubt, are you saying that the USSR wouldn't scream and yell about it until the end of time?

What the hell am I reading in this topic.
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Lokarin posted...

minervo posted...

JOExHIGASHI posted...

That'll just create sympathizers, more anti-American sentiment, and recruits for terrorist organizations

This.

Actually; I've always disagreed with this reasoning... because you can just take out the new guys over and over until there's no one left. [this was referring to using conventional force]

That's the problem. You know that whole "everyone is 6 handshakes away from anyone else in the world" thing? Well, we can put aside that it is an idealized scenario for a moment. The real gist of it is that people have friends and family and acquaintances and all sorts of whatnot. Even ISIS nuts. Not all of those acquaintances are necessarily in agreement with them mind you, but they may still mourn the loss of a friend or family who happens to support ISIS. And if someone kills people you like, even if you don't really agree to some of their more extreme beliefs, then you are more prone to being pursuaded that those beliefs may be the ones that actually are necessary to stop these sorts of things (i.e. friends being killed by foreign forces or people armed by them) from happening.

There is also the situation where things were in many cases relatively stable before the USSR and the USA started playing give-the-middle-east-nations-all-these-guns in their proxy wars (the "Cold War" was really quite not-cold for them...). Granted, the big mess really started in the aftermath of WW1, but post WW2 actions by the superpowers have been VERY unhelpful.

It really only takes a little bit of spinning to make either the USA or the USSR out to be an evil empire from the perspective of people living in these regions. Depends which region specifically, and which of the two a potential spinner you want to demonize more for their agenda. But at the end of the day, a we either goes and bomb them ourselves, or they get bombed by our allies using the jets we gave them, or they get shot by guns that are in the hands of people who are liable to shoot stuff. Guns which are from us. Same applies to the USSR and now Russia. And we both keep giving whatever group we feel like supporting at the time in various regions more weapons.


Even if you take out the violent ones and the psychopaths, there will still be people who direct their anger at the ones who supplied all these weapons in the first place, or the ones who necessitated some exodus because they wanted to take out a government and propped up some rebels, or the ones who outright sent jets in to bomb stuff and "accidentally" hit a civilian target (it is accidental of course, but they won't see it that way).
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shadowsword87 posted...

If there was a shred of doubt, are you saying that the USSR wouldn't scream and yell about it until the end of time?

If they had gone first? I'm sure they would. But at the time, nobody had gone. Also, there was some confusion with my wording. I meant there was no reason for people, at the time, to have gone there. Like I said, for what... sticking a flag in the ground?

zebatov posted...

Also, there was some confusion with my wording. I meant there was no reason for people, at the time, to have gone there. Like I said, for what... sticking a flag in the ground?

The government doesn't look out for all of humanity, it looks out for itself, which just happens to align with what most people want... sometimes.

zebatov posted...

Of course I wouldn't. I've seen the proof behind it. Watch the movie "Vaxxed". Real people have no reason to lie to others. The government does, if the sarcasm in my post wasnt thick enough. Anyone who does vaccinate hasn't done their homework.

Real people often have various reasons to lie to each other. Vaxxed was directed by the person behind the whole autism controversy. Not only was his research found to be fraudulent, but it was found that he essentially was bribed into finding the results he did. That you believe he had no reason to lie is amusing.

Not sure I like that zebatov apparently favors some sort of population control, but I don't see why anyone would dismiss the idea that the government is behind anything deceptive on a large scale.

Like it really confuses me. Most people seem to claim they distrust the government in one way or another, but the moment you actually target something and call it a lie, someone attaches that special word to it in their head. "Conspiracy!" Like clockwork, any and all lines of questioning immediately become no more credible than joke lines in a movie.

And note that none of this is to say that ISIS isn't real - I just think you'd be an idiot to automatically assume that the government using smoke and mirrors for unknown purposes is always just someone being paranoid. Stop treating the government like it's your own personally programmed robot that can never deceive you, and consider the possibility that there's some weird fuckery going on every now and again.
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Xialoh posted...

Not sure I like that zebatov apparently favors some sort of population control, but I don't see why anyone would dismiss the idea that the government is behind anything deceptive on a large scale.

Like it really confuses me. Most people seem to claim they distrust the government in one way or another, but the moment you actually target something and call it a lie, someone attaches that special word to it in their head. "Conspiracy!" Like clockwork, any and all lines of questioning immediately become no more credible than joke lines in a movie.

And note that none of this is to say that ISIS isn't real - I just think you'd be an idiot to automatically assume that the government using smoke and mirrors for unknown purposes is always just someone being paranoid. Stop treating the government like it's your own personally programmed robot that can never deceive you, and consider the possibility that there's some weird fuckery going on every now and again.

People think the government lies, they don't think it lies well. The public opinion is that the government is stupid evil, it's not capable of a ruse even if it tried.
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zebatov posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

If there was a shred of doubt, are you saying that the USSR wouldn't scream and yell about it until the end of time?

If they had gone first? I'm sure they would. But at the time, nobody had gone. Also, there was some confusion with my wording. I meant there was no reason for people, at the time, to have gone there. Like I said, for what... sticking a flag in the ground?

Your gimmick is boring and stupid.
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I don't think it's a gimmick, I think there are actually people in this world that are this fucking stupid.
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zebatov posted...

You know the government creates these groups, right? They never defeated Al Qaeda, but you don't hear about them anymore. They never defeated the group before them, etc etc. ISIS is just the next "group" that's been created to put fear into you and make you hate. Another control tactic. Brainwashing, etc.

I find it funny that a lot of you are the "seeing is believing" type, but just take their word that they actually killed "Osama". But please, continue blindly trusting and following your government without questioning a single thing. Don't do any research! Don't believe your fellow man over them. I mean, the "government", or, the powers-that-be have nothing to lose... right? Why would they ever lie...?

So, the answer to the question is... because there is nobody to bomb. "They" have allowed "them" to exist for so long. Who is "them"? Show me. Show me proof. Bring "them" to my door. Bring the ID. Bring the blood tests. Bring the documentation, the proof, the evidence.

You can't. And I say again, stop accepting what the media is telling you as fact. None of the shit you take for granted as proof or evidence would hold up in court beyond circumstantial. But oh, man, when it comes to this kind of thing, none of that matters.

Yeah. I'm so fucking weird. It would seem that way to the brainwashed sheep, wouldn't it? "Don't question my leaderrrr..."

So what research did you do that proves the government created ISIS? The government can create these groups then "forgets" to cover it up and allows the evidence that indicts them to leak to the public? Surely you can't be serious.
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