Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 97: Trump World Tour 2017

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LordoftheMorons
05/19/17 3:18:28 PM
#301:


Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
This fucking moron
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Peace___Frog
05/19/17 3:18:35 PM
#302:


My Immortal posted...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

WASHINGTON — President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

Mr. Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.”

What an imbecile
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-FFDragon-
05/19/17 3:27:22 PM
#303:


...not the onion?
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LordoftheMorons
05/19/17 3:28:25 PM
#304:


Anddddd WaPo with another one - the Russia probe is investigating someone currently in the White House:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russia-probe-reaches-current-white-house-official-people-familiar-with-the-case-say/2017/05/19/7685adba-3c99-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html
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Eddv
05/19/17 3:31:39 PM
#305:


This is probably unsurprising given where i work but public opinion in my office REALLY turned when he fired comey.

Calling him a nut job probably isnt doing him any favors
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Peace___Frog
05/19/17 3:34:55 PM
#306:


Yeah it's crazy that he thought firing the fbi director would take pressure off of him. This isn't like firing a VP from some department of a company.
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-FFDragon-
05/19/17 3:36:38 PM
#307:


I don't think he has grasped that running a business and running a country are two different things.
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My Immortal
05/19/17 3:38:23 PM
#308:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Anddddd WaPo with another one - the Russia probe is investigating someone currently in the White House:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russia-probe-reaches-current-white-house-official-people-familiar-with-the-case-say/2017/05/19/7685adba-3c99-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html

I would think Kushner is the safe bet here.
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The Mana Sword
05/19/17 3:41:11 PM
#309:


White House isn't even denying it.
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Nelson_Mandela
05/19/17 3:47:37 PM
#310:


https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/865619886013165568

A pretty quick illustration of why Obamacare is destroying our healthcare system (probably intentionally).
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LordoftheMorons
05/19/17 3:50:05 PM
#311:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/865619886013165568

A pretty quick illustration of why Obamacare is destroying our healthcare system (probably intentionally).

A huge cause of the current instability is uncertainty due to both the potential of a repeal and The fact that Trump/Price are purposefully undermining the ACA by not guaranteeing enforcement of the mandate and not guaranteeing the CSRs.

The ACA has some issues, but things would be like 80% better if it wasn't for Trump.
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Peace___Frog
05/19/17 3:53:02 PM
#312:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/865619886013165568

A pretty quick illustration of why Obamacare is destroying our healthcare system (probably intentionally by current congressmen because they care more about their side winning points than actually helping the country).


Fixed that for you.

Also please stop conflating "the healthcare system" with the individual market. Obamacare's regulations barely impact the large group market and primarily deal with the senior, poor, and individual populations.
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ChaosTonyV4
05/19/17 3:53:07 PM
#313:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/865619886013165568

A pretty quick illustration of why Obamacare is destroying our healthcare system (probably intentionally).


Um, did you read the article?
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lordloki12
05/19/17 3:58:03 PM
#314:


Nah he just saw that pretty picture in the preview panel.
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SupremeZero
05/19/17 3:59:10 PM
#315:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/865619886013165568

A pretty quick illustration of why Obamacare is destroying our healthcare system (probably intentionally).


Um, did you read the article?

Oh god, SephG's become infected with Ulti's not-reading virus!
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TheRock1525
05/19/17 4:02:34 PM
#316:


SupremeZero posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/865619886013165568

A pretty quick illustration of why Obamacare is destroying our healthcare system (probably intentionally).


Um, did you read the article?

Oh god, SephG's become infected with Ulti's not-reading virus!


This is how the worst Resident Evil starts.

They're all infected with the NR-virus.
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Nelson_Mandela
05/19/17 4:02:45 PM
#317:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/865619886013165568

A pretty quick illustration of why Obamacare is destroying our healthcare system (probably intentionally).


Um, did you read the article?

It goes without saying that 538 is going to draw conclusions that nothing is Obama's fault. It's foolish to look at anything beyond their data for yourself.

But there is no way you can look at that graphic and think that our healthcare system was better or more open than it was before Obama took office.
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-FFDragon-
05/19/17 4:03:47 PM
#318:


It was also better before Trump took office.
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lordloki12
05/19/17 4:05:13 PM
#319:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/865619886013165568

A pretty quick illustration of why Obamacare is destroying our healthcare system (probably intentionally).


Um, did you read the article?

It goes without saying that 538 is going to draw conclusions that nothing is Obama's fault. It's foolish to look at anything beyond their data for yourself.

But there is no way you can look at that graphic and think that our healthcare system was better or more open than it was before Obama took office.


Yeah even if you want to ignore the reasons the graphic changes you would still be stuck with the Obama version being superior.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/19/17 4:12:36 PM
#320:


Paratroopa1 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/210704/record-few-americans-believe-bible-literal-word-god.aspx

This is kind of interesting

My favorite part though is the 2% of people who say both "Religion is not important to my life" and "The Bible is the literal word of God."

Uhhhhh

The even more interesting group is the 7% of nonreligious who believe the bible is the literal word of God.

Like, uh, if I believed the bible was the literal word of God, you'd better believe I would be a Christian.


My guess would be that those people are like me when I see poll topics in this board and just pick the option that seems silliest.
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Peace___Frog
05/19/17 4:14:05 PM
#321:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
our healthcare system

Again. The individual market is extremely different from everything else.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/19/17 4:15:52 PM
#322:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/865619886013165568

A pretty quick illustration of why Obamacare is destroying our healthcare system (probably intentionally).


Um, did you read the article?


Reading articles is not a very 2017 thing to do.
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red sox 777
05/19/17 4:27:42 PM
#323:


Maybe Republicans should just get aggressive. Amend the rules to allow passage of bills in a matter of days and abolish the filibuster. Then do an immediate full repeal of Obamacare without anesthesia, followed by massive tax cuts that will bankrupt the government. And defund Planned Parenthood. Then start debate on terminating Social Security and Medicare.
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Regaro
05/19/17 4:28:30 PM
#324:


red sox 777 posted...
Maybe Republicans should just get aggressive. Amend the rules to allow passage of bills in a matter of days and abolish the filibuster. Then do an immediate full repeal of Obamacare without anesthesia, followed by massive tax cuts that will bankrupt the government. And defund Planned Parenthood. Then start debate on terminating Social Security and Medicare.

This is a post
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Not_an_Owl
05/19/17 4:33:10 PM
#325:


red sox 777 posted...
Maybe Republicans should just get aggressive. Amend the rules to allow passage of bills in a matter of days and abolish the filibuster. Then do an immediate full repeal of Obamacare without anesthesia, followed by massive tax cuts that will bankrupt the government. And defund Planned Parenthood. Then start debate on terminating Social Security and Medicare.

And precisely what would this be in service of?
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red sox 777
05/19/17 4:33:39 PM
#326:


Not_an_Owl posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Maybe Republicans should just get aggressive. Amend the rules to allow passage of bills in a matter of days and abolish the filibuster. Then do an immediate full repeal of Obamacare without anesthesia, followed by massive tax cuts that will bankrupt the government. And defund Planned Parenthood. Then start debate on terminating Social Security and Medicare.

And precisely what would this be in service of?


Power. Unlimited power!
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SupremeZero
05/19/17 4:35:21 PM
#327:


Not_an_Owl posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Maybe Republicans should just get aggressive. Amend the rules to allow passage of bills in a matter of days and abolish the filibuster. Then do an immediate full repeal of Obamacare without anesthesia, followed by massive tax cuts that will bankrupt the government. And defund Planned Parenthood. Then start debate on terminating Social Security and Medicare.

And precisely what would this be in service of?

A very loud party suicide, I suppose.
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Regaro
05/19/17 4:36:22 PM
#328:


red sox 777 posted...
Power. Unlimited power!

So you actually support the US Republican party making a grab for complete power over the country?
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Suprak the Stud
05/19/17 4:36:51 PM
#329:


red sox 777 posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Maybe Republicans should just get aggressive. Amend the rules to allow passage of bills in a matter of days and abolish the filibuster. Then do an immediate full repeal of Obamacare without anesthesia, followed by massive tax cuts that will bankrupt the government. And defund Planned Parenthood. Then start debate on terminating Social Security and Medicare.

And precisely what would this be in service of?


Power. Unlimited power!


Going with the Jafar route of governing, I see.
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ChaosTonyV4
05/19/17 4:39:53 PM
#330:


Suprak the Stud posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Maybe Republicans should just get aggressive. Amend the rules to allow passage of bills in a matter of days and abolish the filibuster. Then do an immediate full repeal of Obamacare without anesthesia, followed by massive tax cuts that will bankrupt the government. And defund Planned Parenthood. Then start debate on terminating Social Security and Medicare.

And precisely what would this be in service of?


Power. Unlimited power!


Going with the Jafar route of governing, I see.


Emperor Palestine.
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Not_an_Owl
05/19/17 4:40:01 PM
#331:


red sox 777 posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Maybe Republicans should just get aggressive. Amend the rules to allow passage of bills in a matter of days and abolish the filibuster. Then do an immediate full repeal of Obamacare without anesthesia, followed by massive tax cuts that will bankrupt the government. And defund Planned Parenthood. Then start debate on terminating Social Security and Medicare.

And precisely what would this be in service of?


Power. Unlimited power!

I'm assuming you're also planning to suspend elections indefinitely, because there's no way any political party could survive terminating Social Security and Medicare.
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TheRock1525
05/19/17 4:50:15 PM
#332:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Maybe Republicans should just get aggressive. Amend the rules to allow passage of bills in a matter of days and abolish the filibuster. Then do an immediate full repeal of Obamacare without anesthesia, followed by massive tax cuts that will bankrupt the government. And defund Planned Parenthood. Then start debate on terminating Social Security and Medicare.

And precisely what would this be in service of?


Power. Unlimited power!


Going with the Jafar route of governing, I see.


Emperor Palestine.


Is that anything like Palpatine?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/19/17 4:50:46 PM
#333:


I seem to have put RED Sox on ignore at some point. I will leave it that way.
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Regaro
05/19/17 4:51:07 PM
#334:


TheRock1525 posted...
Is that anything like Palpatine?

The Unlimited Power bit is a direct Palpatine quote <_<
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TheRock1525
05/19/17 4:52:16 PM
#335:


Regaro posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Is that anything like Palpatine?

The Unlimited Power bit is a direct Palpatine quote <_<


Yeah but he wrote Palestine.

Does he fight Yodisrael at the end in the West Bank?
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Regaro
05/19/17 4:53:28 PM
#336:


Oh oops I completely missed that and thought you were quoting the Jaffar post directly mb
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BowserCuffs
05/19/17 4:54:37 PM
#337:


TheRock1525 posted...
Regaro posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Is that anything like Palpatine?

The Unlimited Power bit is a direct Palpatine quote <_<


Yeah but he wrote Palestine.

Does he fight Yodisrael at the end in the West Bank?


I snickered way too hard at this
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SupremeZero
05/19/17 4:56:40 PM
#338:


https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/865643406906634241
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/865643998173470721

... an Official White House Memo.

Well, you had a good (... for you) run.
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HaRRicH
05/19/17 4:59:39 PM
#339:


Red sox is a good guy. He has his non-sensical posts here and there, but as a fellow CS&D vet they're more like his Crono fanboy-tendencies than any sort of insincere trolling or malicious hate. He's also not purely partisan, given that he backed Bernie. I don't think this post in question was meant to be taken seriously.
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ChaosTonyV4
05/19/17 5:00:41 PM
#340:


TheRock1525 posted...
Regaro posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Is that anything like Palpatine?

The Unlimited Power bit is a direct Palpatine quote <_<


Yeah but he wrote Palestine.

Does he fight Yodisrael at the end in the West Bank?


Whoops that was my phone's fault.
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TheRock1525
05/19/17 5:01:38 PM
#341:


BowserCuffs posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Regaro posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Is that anything like Palpatine?

The Unlimited Power bit is a direct Palpatine quote <_<


Yeah but he wrote Palestine.

Does he fight Yodisrael at the end in the West Bank?


I snickered way too hard at this


Ariel Sharobi-Wan: "It's over, Yassar Arakin! I have the moral high ground according to the US!"
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-FFDragon-
05/19/17 5:03:25 PM
#342:


“By grandstanding and politicizing the investigation into Russia’s actions, James Comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia,” Mr. Spicer said. “The investigation would have always continued, and obviously, the termination of Comey would not have ended it. Once again, the real story is that our national security has been undermined by the leaking of private and highly classified conversations.”


This is one of those times I almost feel sorry for Spicey.
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Suprak the Stud
05/19/17 5:03:49 PM
#343:


redsox is fine

It isn't like he's posting endless conspiracy craziness. He just posts political opinions. And I'm fairly certain he was joking anyway.
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BowserCuffs
05/19/17 5:11:53 PM
#344:


Yeah, I'm gonna be honest, I'm not always happy with what red sox posts but he's not a jackass about it, like Ulti or Sephy are, so he's okay by me.
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Reg
05/19/17 5:16:52 PM
#345:


Suprak the Stud posted...
redsox is fine

It isn't like he's posting endless conspiracy craziness. He just posts political opinions. And I'm fairly certain he was joking anyway.

The problem with him is that I can't remember any posts of his that aren't "the republicans won, so they should make shameless totalitarian power grabs" (Like he did, and that people claim are jokes) and "the democrats lost, so they should be more like the republicans (i.e shameless petulant children* with no respect for the government) so that they'll win". Nothing else comes to mind as far as what he's posted.

Sure, it's ultimately harmless, assuming people are right about him joking.

But there's also nothing in there worth taking any sort of seriously

* = He hasn't used this exact phrase, but I do recall him explicitly saying they should play more obstructionist and dirty and do literally everything everybody complains about the GOP doing
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HanOfTheNekos
05/19/17 5:17:06 PM
#346:


well that was a read
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Mr Lasastryke
05/19/17 5:20:45 PM
#347:


Reg posted...
The problem with him is that I can't remember any posts of his that aren't "the republicans won, so they should make shameless totalitarian power grabs" (Like he did, and that people claim are jokes) and "the democrats lost, so they should be more like the republicans (i.e shameless petulant children* with no respect for the government) so that they'll win". Nothing else comes to mind as far as what he's posted.

Sure, it's ultimately harmless, assuming people are right about him joking.

But there's also nothing in there worth taking any sort of seriously

* = He hasn't used this exact phrase, but I do recall him explicitly saying they should play more obstructionist and dirty and do literally everything everybody complains about the GOP doing


i think that's an analysis rather than a proclamation of what he WANTS to happen, though. he's saying "if the democrats want to win they should behave more like republicans."

i don't always agree with red sox' posts but he's fine.

my biggest problem with him is that he has a tendency to go "liberals do or say [insert bad thing]." like, a few topics back he was saying something like "liberals are hysterical about trump and view everything he does as the worst thing ever," which is utter nonsense. if he'd stop doing that he'd be totally fine rather than "mostly fine."
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Reg
05/19/17 5:25:15 PM
#348:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
i think that's an analysis rather than a proclamation of what he WANTS to happen, though. he's saying "if the democrats want to win they should behave more like republicans."

If his posts were what he actually wants to happen he'd legitimately be almost MWC-tier crazy, which is why I'm pretty sure everybody's assuming he's not serious about those.

Which takes me back to my original point

When does he actually make serious posts?
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red sox 777
05/19/17 5:28:20 PM
#349:


Yes, the Democrats should be more skillful at politics if they want to be effective. And IMO that includes playing hardball, because pliticians are elected to fight for their constituents, and if they aren't doing that, it's not terribly surprising if the constituents lose interest after a while.

Whether the Dems (or GOP) being effective is a good thing depends on whether you like their goals. For me personally, from what I can ascertain, I like Bernie's goals, dislike Hillary's and her branch of the Democratic Party, and don't feel the Republicans really have all that much in goals beyond pure power.
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Jakyl25
05/19/17 5:30:08 PM
#350:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
But there is no way you can look at that graphic and think that our healthcare system was better or more open than it was before Obama took office.


...that graphic doesn't contain any data from before 2016.

I'm not saying your conclusion is wrong, I just don't logically follow this thought.
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