Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 97: Trump World Tour 2017

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I think Ivanka would literally castrate him on the Sabbath.
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Castrate Donald or Jared?
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https://twitter.com/SalHernandez/status/865724799473135617

It

It's so beautiful
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Trump's told me he takes the best dumps. Massive dumps. Bigly dumps.
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-FFDragon- posted...

Trump's told me he takes the best dumps. Massive dumps. Bigly dumps.

Truly magnificent dumps, Trumps for short!
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SovietOmega posted...

-FFDragon- posted...

Trump's told me he takes the best dumps. Massive dumps. Bigly dumps.

Truly tremendous dumps, Trumps for short!

FTFY
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dammit was I really beaten to the dump
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He invented the term "priming the dump".
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/865731628034912256

Breaking: Russians believed they would be able to use Michael Flynn to influence Pres. Trump & his advisors, multiple sources tell #CNN
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SupremeZero posted...

https://twitter.com/SalHernandez/status/865724799473135617

It

It's so beautiful

That was lovely
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GuessMyUserName posted...

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/865731628034912256

Breaking: Russians believed they would be able to use Michael Flynn to influence Pres. Trump & his advisors, multiple sources tell #CNN

The saddest thing is that in some ways this is a positive headline for Trump since it implies they weren't already colluding directly
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LordoftheMorons posted...

GuessMyUserName posted...

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/865731628034912256

Breaking: Russians believed they would be able to use Michael Flynn to influence Pres. Trump & his advisors, multiple sources tell #CNN

The saddest thing is that in some ways this is a positive headline for Trump since it implies they weren't already colluding directly

It really does. It makes him look like a naive dummy for trusting Flynn, but it would certainly imply they had no direct influence over him.
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Jakyl25 posted...

The intensity of the probe is expected to accelerate in the coming weeks

That's what she said

Fucking beautiful.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

GuessMyUserName posted...

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/865731628034912256

Breaking: Russians believed they would be able to use Michael Flynn to influence Pres. Trump & his advisors, multiple sources tell #CNN

The saddest thing is that in some ways this is a positive headline for Trump since it implies they weren't already colluding directly

It really does. It makes him look like a naive dummy for trusting Flynn, but it would certainly imply they had no direct influence over him.

Conveniently he's since been recorded on a White House Memo obstructing justice.
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So, I think we can take something from all of this.

Do not piss off the FBI.
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SupremeZero posted...

So, I think we can take something from all of this.

Do not piss off the FBI.

You'd think this would go without saying.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

SupremeZero posted...

So, I think we can take something from all of this.

Do not piss off the FBI.

You'd think this would go without saying.

You'd think so!
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BowserCuffs posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/865602050209357825

Some of you will be appalled by this thread.

Some of you may sadly already be aware of things like it.

Still others will make all the excuses in the world for it.

I just thought you should see it.

People support the dehumanization and cruel treatment of criminals all the time, unfortunately, even though it's been proven to increase the recidivism rate. The logic is that 'if prison is too comfortable, they'll just want to go back', but it just seems like the opposite is happening.

Funnily enough, those countries where criminals seem to get lavish accomodations actually have a really low recidivism rate. As in, criminals don't go back to jail.

It's almost like reformation requires not being a fucking jackass to the people being reformed. Wow, what a novel concept right.

But the problem is that people don't want reformation, they want to punish people. They want the state to participate in their vengeance, even if the person being punished didn't even personally wrong them.

Lawful Arrogance is truly a horrendously evil thing.

I know that personally, when I feel mistreated, I take it out on people around me in a harsh way. If I ever went to jail and actually decided to do the time instead of killing myself beforehand (I am convinced I'd kill myself instead of serving time), I know for a fact that I would make it a point to be the worst person I could possibly be afterward. I'd go in as a person who made a mistake. I'd come out as the most unprecedented monster I could possibly be and it would be my mission to lay waste to as many lives as possible... Not necessarily innocent lives. I dunno.

Thankfully that won't happen though. I'm too clever to be convicted of any dumb minor shot and too paranoid to do anything felonious, plus as previously stated I would be overwhelmingly likely to end my own life in a nanosecond if prison was looking unavoidable.
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GuessMyUserName posted...

SupremeZero posted...

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/865643406906634241
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/865643998173470721

... an Official White House Memo.

Well, you had a good (... for you) run.

how the hell do you have such a complete brainless moron for president

He is less of a brainless moron as people who wanted him to win
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Regarding Trump...

The cover up is always worse than the crime.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

GuessMyUserName posted...

SupremeZero posted...

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/865643406906634241
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/865643998173470721

... an Official White House Memo.

Well, you had a good (... for you) run.

how the hell do you have such a complete brainless moron for president

He is less of a brainless moron as people who wanted him to win

Does that include the people who voted for him because they think that we needed a bad president in order to wake us up?

Because I think it should.
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I voted for Hillary but I stand by this being totally worth it. The Democratic party has gone to shit.
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Oh, that reminds me. Chris, I'm seeing news about that importing drugs bill thing. Turns out what's being added are safety precautions, supposedly.

I guess someone down the chain could be lying about it, though.
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I am willing to bet that those "safety" precautions will end up making it much harder for the bill to do good and help Big Pharma keep its stranglehold on the American drug market.

Like I said though, it isn't as if Big Pharma uses a pitch fork. It's all spin. Of course safety precautions are a good thing but... if they are too over the top all you do is make it harder for a good market to happen.

Like Canada's drug policies are not as strict as the FDA but Canada is fine.
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Canada is, to be fair, a great deal smaller than the United States (... population-wise.). If they start producing to fill US needs, that might cause problems.

Can't really know for sure until, like, a year or so down the line from the bill actually happening, but it's a good sign, frankly.

In other news. Uh. This happened.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/

The Donald is now invite only. I think they exploded.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I voted for Hillary but I stand by this being totally worth it. The Democratic party has gone to shit.

I'm so glad that the suffering and coming deaths of people screwed over by Trump are worth it to your ego.
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SupremeZero posted...

The Donald is now invite only. I think they exploded

And these are the people who deride safe spaces.
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You are a short term thinker, and there's nothing wrong with that. You aren't even capable of thinking beyond this and that. People die every day, I am sad to say. And it really sucks. Trump has made a mockery of our country and it is horrible.

But people who vote democrat need to wake the fuck up. They need to stop going after the easy target, they need to stop alienating every single fucking person who votes the other side and looking down on them because they are losing this fight. The Republicans are stomping the democratic party into the ground and the democratic establishment's pathetic answer is to try to be more like them.

I subscribe to a lot of democratic newsletters and one Republican one, the Republican happens to be a member of the house in my city.

I like my house member more than almost every member of the democratic party. The democratic party is constantly asking for money for this, money for that, etc etc.

My house member is constantly putting out polls on key issues and then I see him actually fight for those issues in congress. I see him working with members of the other party sometimes, I see him fighting for the issues his voters want him to fight for, even if I don't agree with most of them. So I'm good with him even though he is a Republican, he is representing my city well, apparently.

My point is this: if the democratic party doesn't fix their key issues... it's just going to get worse. Trump is going to destroy himself, we need to work on ourselves if we're going to have influence in a positive way in this country again, not pile on the idiot and nothing else.
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Leafeon13N posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Eddv posted...

I legit think Biden would be President right now if his son hadnt died.

I think he would have beaten Trump, but I'm not sure he would have beaten Hillary in the primary
(I would have been very happy with either of them as president, though)

At the very least, Bernie Sanders never becomes a factor if Biden runs. That helps whoever would have been the nominee.

I think if you think this, you don't understand why people liked Bernie at all.
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Peace___Frog posted...

SupremeZero posted...

The Donald is now invite only. I think they exploded

And these are the people who deride safe spaces.

They were organizing a protest because of how unfairly Reddit was treating them. Calling it a war.

One mod got suspended for saying something along the lines of "you guys can't bully me id like to see you try because I have a gun". Pinned post as of two hours ago was a segregation era sign photoshopped to replace the word "coloreds only" with "the_donald" because they see themselves as comparable.

None of that is a joke.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Eddv posted...

I legit think Biden would be President right now if his son hadnt died.

I think he would have beaten Trump, but I'm not sure he would have beaten Hillary in the primary
(I would have been very happy with either of them as president, though)

At the very least, Bernie Sanders never becomes a factor if Biden runs. That helps whoever would have been the nominee.

I think if you think this, you don't understand why people liked Bernie at all.

^

If anything i would see Biden taking more of Hillary's vote as the safe establishment choice.

Bernie wasn't drawing those huge rallies because "oh he isn't Hillary I guess that works".
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Also, apparently the Dem house candidate in Montana's special election is pretty cool, and is running on Healthcare.

And Montana votes the day after the CBO score comes out.
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Yeah if Biden had run we would have gotten to see Biden vs Bernie in a debate which I would have loved. I don't like all of Biden's policies but that guy's heart I can't disagree with.
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On the other hand, the Biden memes probably would've been extremely different.
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https://twitter.com/blacksab67/status/865683059164696577

A buddy road trip for the ages
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

You are a short term thinker, and there's nothing wrong with that. You aren't even capable of thinking beyond this and that. People die every day, I am sad to say. And it really sucks. Trump has made a mockery of our country and it is horrible.

But people who vote democrat need to wake the fuck up.

No, you need to wake the fuck up. You don't think this presidency isn't going to have long term consequences? You seriously think this is for the best long term?

You have no idea what I'm capable of thinking about. And to be fair, I don't have any idea what you're capable of thinking about. What I do know, though, is that 'people die every day' is nothing more than an excuse to make yourself feel better about what is currently happening.

The proper response to "people die every day" isn't an apathetic "oh well, I guess it's okay if it's more people dying every day", it's "why are they dying every day, and what can we do to stop it?"

God, people like you are what's wrong with the Democratic party.
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I only speak about what I see from you, granted. I don't know your life so I just go based on the posts I've seen from you, show me something different and I'll re-evaluate. That wasn't a judgment so much as what I've seen thus far in terms of how you like to think.

Anyway I don't want to feel better about what is happening, and I think that's perhaps the disconnect. I want to feel terrible about what is happening. I want you to feel terrible about what is happening. I want every democrat in this topic, in the country, including establishment democrats who traded a very popular, grass roots movement for the presidency of this country for a fucking political favor who lost to feel the full weight of this fuck up. And not say "Those fucking Republicans, look at how dumb they are..." I want some acknowledgment that we have this president because the main think tank of the democratic party is so far up their own asses that when they lose they blame everything but themselves.

Until they do that...nothing changes. It's not about apathy, it's just the fact that people...die. And we're not at the point of examining the 'why' because we know the why man, but we don't have the political bullets to kill the problem because we don't have the presidency, the congress, or the state level law makers and that's not the republican's fault. And until democratic voters recognize that and do something really actionable about that, it won't matter what answers we have because we're going to keep losing.

Also I am an independent in FAIRNESS, but I so far to the left on most issues it doesn't matter, I just have this bad habit of not dehumanizing the other side en masse.
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While I don't quite agree with Chris, I do think the US will come out on the other side a lot better once this is all over whereas we would have spiraled more with a full Clinton presidency.

I do think this will be the system shock a lot of people needed, though the short term ramifications are going to be horrendous.
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I strongly disagree with the notion that the "establishment" (I hate this term) Dems are "moving right" as some sort of ploy to get voters (or more broadly that they can't possibly actually hold more moderate views because obviously the Bernie platform is the right one). The left wing of the party wants some pretty radical changes, and when you're talking about massively overhauling the way things work there is a ton of value in slowing down and thinking through potential unintended consequences.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

I strongly disagree with the notion that the "establishment" (I hate this term) Dems are "moving right" as some sort of ploy to get voters (or more broadly that they can't possibly actually hold more moderate views because obviously the Bernie platform is the right one). The left wing of the party wants some pretty radical changes, and when you're talking about massively overhauling the way things work there is a ton of value in slowing down and thinking through potential unintended consequences.

I think to clarify the democratic party thought Hillary was more electable despite every poll in the universe showing Sanders was much more favorable with independent voters and then Hillary got crushed among independent voters.

It's not so much them pandering as they think that's what wins when it doesn't.
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as long as people keep staying awake and government power is viewed as something dangerous and strict, net positive is the only way it goes. the response by people and their putting money where their mouth is goes a long, long way.
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I mean, the primary voters chose Hillary by a pretty overwhelming margin (3 million votes and something like 15% iirc). Comparing Bernie and Hillary's numbers against Trump is also a pretty apples and oranges comparison since Bernie was never in a position to be seriously attacked.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

I mean, the primary voters chose Hillary by a pretty overwhelming margin (3 million votes and something like 15% iirc). Comparing Bernie and Hillary's numbers against Trump is also a pretty apples and oranges comparison since Bernie was never in a position to be seriously attacked.

3 million votes is also what Hillary beat Trump by, as much as that mattered...!

I hear this argument a lot and really what I will always say is... I don't think an attack scheme would have been very good against Bernie. Bernie doesn't really have anything to be attacked on of substance. His record on key issues is extremely good when it comes to what independent voters would have thought.

Hillary's problem is she had a lot of smoke even if no fire, which is unfortunate. Also she didn't know where to campaign, which really fucked her.

Also a lot of times in the primary Hillary supporters accused him of being sexist which is pretty hilarious considering he is the most progressive senator we have.

Also why I tend to like Bernie still is he does a great job of understanding why Trump won. I am not trying to say Bernie is the best of all time or perfect, but even after the election he is one of the few on "the left" to show me he gets why they lost, and I wish more understood that.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I only speak about what I see from you, granted. I don't know your life so I just go based on the posts I've seen from you, show me something different and I'll re-evaluate. That wasn't a judgment so much as what I've seen thus far in terms of how you like to think.

To be fair, this is what I've been doing to you, and from what I've seen, you've come across as a pseudo-intellectual douchebag just trying to feel superior to other people because he "figured it out and is waiting for everyone else to as well".

But perhaps I'm wrong.

Anyway I don't want to feel better about what is happening, and I think that's perhaps the disconnect. I want to feel terrible about what is happening. I want you to feel terrible about what is happening. I want every democrat in this topic, in the country, including establishment democrats who traded a very popular, grass roots movement for the presidency of this country for a fucking political favor who lost to feel the full weight of this fuck up. And not say "Those fucking Republicans, look at how dumb they are..." I want some acknowledgment that we have this president because the main think tank of the democratic party is so far up their own asses that when they lose they blame everything but themselves.

It is possible to commit no error and still lose, though, I will say.

In this case, what is our error? Was it sticking to principles, or was it not selling our message well enough? That is a good thing to think about, but that doesn't mean Trump is good for America. No more than a broken bone is a good lesson about falling off a bike.

Here's the ultimate thing though: Bernie didn't lose because of the Democratic Party or anything of the sort. He lost the primary because the majority of people who voted wanted Hillary instead of Bernie. That's the fact. Hillary got more votes than Bernie did. And I say this as someone who voted for Hillary.

And I'm going to be very blunt: If you want to talk about people who drove away the other side, let's talk about Bernie bros. These people treated Hillary like she was fucking Satan, attacking other Democrats who voted for her, and when the people eventually chose Hillary over them, they pitched a fit and voted for Trump.

What we lost to was entitlement. And yes, I will include our own entitlement there.

Also I am an independent in FAIRNESS, but I so far to the left on most issues it doesn't matter, I just have this bad habit of not dehumanizing the other side en masse.

And I have the bad habit of holding people accountable for their own behavior en masse, so I guess we're just equal in this regard.
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while i do think bernie could've done better against trump, it's worth noting that bernie's biggest issue was that he simply looked weak. he never portrayed strength well, he was run off by hecklers from one of his campaign trips - something i'd consider a fatal mistake for him.

i like a lot of his ideas but he always came off as lacking that necessary backbone and there's a few key events that would absolutely destroy him against Trump, who portrays himself - and successfully convinced people - of him being a figure of strength.

more capable but weak vs. less capable but strong does favor the latter a lot.
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Bernie prob. loses against a candidate with views closer to the middle on a national level. Like, I think Jeb! would have had little trouble with him.

Bernie beats Trump though because he actually has a message that people understand and more ability to explain how.
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BowserCuffs posted...

you've come across as a pseudo-intellectual douchebag just trying to feel superior to other people because he "figured it out and is waiting for everyone else to as well".

Ah, i see you've met Chris
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Wanglicious posted...

who portrays himself - and successfully convinced people - of him being a figure of strength.

I can't imagine this is true among people with any life experience. Maybe I'm overestimating
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Jakyl25 posted...

Bernie prob. loses against a candidate with views closer to the middle on a national level. Like, I think Jeb! would have had little trouble with him.

Bernie beats Trump though because he actually has a message that people understand and more ability to explain how.

so you see him as the democrat's ted cruz then. kinda makes sense. hell, the debate the two had a few months ago was legit good and showed interesting points of overlap between them.

and it's possible that bernie wins because of that message working on trump supporters too, yeah. but don't underestimate the strength issue, especially when it's played up for optics because he had some serious problems there that would've been exploited hard if he was to go as the party headliner.
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