Board 8 > Doc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!

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EmDubyaSee
06/27/12 1:40:00 PM
#151:


From: Pokewars | #144
Peter Pan (fat chance of this happening)
Pinocchio
Bambi
Cinderella
Aladdin (GASP! IT REALLY IS ALADDIN!)
Pocahontas
Hercules
Mulan
Tarzan
Bolt



Also, of these, I rank them as so.

Aladdin
Hercules
Cinderella
Mulan
Peter Pan
Bambi
Tarzan
Pinocchio
Pocahontas
Bolt

So it should be Pinocchio, Pocahontas, or Bolt (really, should just be Bolt (actually, it should be Snow White, which is objectively inferior to all these).

However, with this guy ranking, I fully expect Hercules or Cinderella, would not be utterly stunned by Aladdin.

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DoctorBIind
06/27/12 1:59:00 PM
#152:


ANYWAY

Let's see some top 10 predictions!

Top 20
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Pinocchio
Bambi
Cinderella
Peter Pan
Sleeping Beauty
The Jungle Book
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
The Great Mouse Detective
The Little Mermaid
Beauty and the Beast
Aladdin
The Lion King
Pocahontas
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Hercules
Mulan
Tarzan
Bolt
Tangled
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Pokewars
06/27/12 1:59:00 PM
#153:


Huh, Reviewing my own hypothetical top 10 list....I need to rewatch several films to really figure out which one would take the 10th spot.

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SuorGenoveffa
06/27/12 2:04:00 PM
#154:


10. Mulan
9. Hunchback of Notre Dame
8. Peter Pan
7. Tangled
6. Hercules
5. Winnie the Pooh
4. The Little Mermaid
3. Aladdin
2. The Lion King
1. Beauty and the Beast

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Pokewars
06/27/12 2:11:00 PM
#155:


Part wishful thinking/part me knowing a little bit about your tastes ;)

1. Beauty and the Beast
2. Peter Pan
3. The Lion King
4. Aladdin
5. The Little Mermaid
6. Tangled
7. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
8. The Jungle Book
9. The Hunchback of Notre Dame
10. Pinocchio

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whatisurnameplz
06/27/12 2:22:00 PM
#156:


You should put Snow White at #1 just to piss off MWC.

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Raka_Putra
06/27/12 3:15:00 PM
#157:


Bolt or Cinderella sounds about right.

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paulg235
06/27/12 3:17:00 PM
#158:


From: whatisurnameplz | #156
You should put Snow White at #1 just to piss off MWC.

This.

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StifledSilence
06/27/12 4:33:00 PM
#159:


1. Peter Pan (bold predix!)
2. Beauty and the Beast
3. Tarzan
4. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
5. Tangled
6. Mulan
7. The Lion King
8. Aladdin
9. The Great Mouse Detective
10. The Jungle Book

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vcharon
06/27/12 4:41:00 PM
#160:


I agree with the thoughts about Rabbit, he didn't seem himself in the 2011 film. While I still liked him, it seemed to me they changed him a little bit in an effort to make him more popular. Kanga and Roo are in the film so it would be hard for me to name any other character the worst as I've never really liked either of those two.

Tigger didn't appear nearly enough either, so that's a vote down from me. Pooh is all about characters, though they did attempt a full length plot with this particular entry I still say the characters and their iconic personalities are meant to carry it. The lack of Tigger and alterations in Rabbit set this down a bit from where it was. The Backson is probably my favorite song out of the franchise now, though.

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Pokewars
06/27/12 4:46:00 PM
#161:


Beauty and the Beast the musical is coming to Toronto. I'm soooo seeing it :)

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AdmiralZephyr
06/27/12 4:53:00 PM
#162:


I hope it's Cinderella (far and away the weakest of the remaining movies), but it's probably Bolt.

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EmDubyaSee
06/27/12 4:57:00 PM
#163:


From: AdmiralZephyr | #162
I hope it's Cinderella (far and away the weakest of the remaining movies), but it's probably Bolt.



Did Snow White get eliminated and I missed it, because other wise, clam up...

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vcharon
06/27/12 4:59:00 PM
#164:


I used to think Disney topics were a relative bastion from the things I don't like about this board...

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BrettEagles
06/27/12 5:01:00 PM
#165:


Oh my god, Aladdin is totally next. This sucks. Why Doc? WHY!

Probably going to be Bolt.

Also, as stated before, The Backson for SMDCVI Champ!

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BrettEagles
06/27/12 5:05:00 PM
#166:


HOT TOP TEN PREDIX

1) Beauty & the Beast
2) Aladdin
3) Peter Pan
4) The Little Mermaid
5) The Lion King
6) Hunchback
7) Pooh part 1
8) Tarzan
9) The Jungle Book
10) Snow White and Dem Dwarves

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Pokewars
06/27/12 5:06:00 PM
#167:


From: BrettEagles | #165
Oh my god, Aladdin is totally next. This sucks. Why Doc? WHY!


From: BrettEagles | #166
HOT TOP TEN PREDIX

1) Beauty & the Beast
2) Aladdin
3) Peter Pan
4) The Little Mermaid
5) The Lion King
6) Hunchback
7) Pooh part 1
8) Tarzan
9) The Jungle Book
10) Snow White and Dem Dwarves


Error! Error! Illogical! *Blows up*

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BrettEagles
06/27/12 5:10:00 PM
#168:


That was obviously a mistake. Replace Aladdin with Ferngully. Or maybe Anastasia.

Hey Doc, whereabouts would The Nightmare Before Christmas rank if included. Just curious.

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Vishje3000
06/27/12 5:12:00 PM
#169:


SuorGenoveffa posted...
I mean Vish, not Gen.

You guys both being blue confuse me <_<.


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DoctorBIind
06/27/12 5:23:00 PM
#170:


BrettEagles posted...
That was obviously a mistake. Replace Aladdin with Ferngully. Or maybe Anastasia.

Hey Doc, whereabouts would The Nightmare Before Christmas rank if included. Just curious.


It certainly wouldn't be ranked yet. Most likely somewhere in the top 10, outside the top 6. Somewhere in the 7-9 range.
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StifledSilence
06/27/12 5:26:00 PM
#171:


Where would you rank A Goofy Movie?

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DoctorBIind
06/27/12 5:31:00 PM
#172:


StifledSilence posted...
Where would you rank A Goofy Movie?


Honestly? I haven't seen it in a long time. Going off of the last time I watched it, I would probably rank it right around the middle of the list. I'd need a fresh watch-through to accurately say for sure.
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BrettEagles
06/27/12 5:38:00 PM
#173:


That's where I thought you would put it Doc. My HOT PREDIX shall be spot on!

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Raka_Putra
06/28/12 3:37:00 AM
#174:


What about Enchanted? :3

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EmDubyaSee
06/28/12 6:00:00 AM
#175:


Raka_Putra posted...
What about Enchanted? :3


I was gonna ask this too. But I will say personally for me, it is top 15 if not top 10,'and either it or Tangled is the best Disney movie since Hercules.
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DoctorBIind
06/28/12 8:58:00 AM
#176:


Raka_Putra posted...
What about Enchanted? :3


I've never seen it. I'll try and get a hold of a copy within the next couple days and I'll let you know what I think. It looks like something I'd enjoy.
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Pram_the_Oracle
06/28/12 9:02:00 AM
#177:


Hwaaaaatttt?

Godspeed man!

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PrinceKaro
06/28/12 11:30:00 AM
#178:


New writeup? New (mini) writeup.


Winnie the Pooh (2011)

Doc's Ranking: 21/51
Karo's Ranking 21.5/49

I loved how they made such an effort to make this look like the old Disney movies of the 60s and 70s (which I like more than most people do, I think). The songs were decent, but not as good as the ones in Princess and the Frog or Tangled.
One gripe I have with the movie is that they made all the characters kinda too 'stupid', even the ones that traditionally had a bit more intelligence such as Owl, Rabbit, and Kanga.

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DoctorBIind
06/28/12 11:48:00 AM
#179:


PrinceKaro posted...
One gripe I have with the movie is that they made all the characters kinda too 'stupid', even the ones that traditionally had a bit more intelligence such as Owl, Rabbit, and Kanga.


Definitely agree with this, although in most instances I thought it was funny. All of Owl's scenes were gold, Kanga had some great lines, and even Rabbit had his moments. I just didn't like how they changed Rabbit so much.
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DoctorBIind
06/28/12 12:15:00 PM
#180:


#20 – Bambi (1942)

Best Character: Friend Owl
Worst Character: Flower

Bambi is a very charming film about the life of a deer prince and his adventures in the forest as he grows into an adult. It’s basically the closest thing Disney has come to a nature documentary. Filled with beautiful, lush animation, Bambi does a fantastic job with the environment and character design. The animation is actually my favorite part of the film, and probably the biggest reason I have it ranked in the top 20.

As the film doesn’t have much of a plot, more of the weight is placed on the characters than usual. Bambi, Thumper and Flower are the three biggest names, but we hardly see anything from Flower. He seriously receives like five minutes of screen time throughout the entire film. Flower is another character that has been ruined for me from how overrated he is in the Disney contests. Also he’s not cute. Bam! I said it. Thumper on the other hand is actually a lot better than I remember. Well, at least when he’s young. He’s actually pretty cute when he’s young! Unfortunately he completely loses his charm when he ages. His voice does not match him at all, and he gets kind of boring. Bambi is the only of the three that I like throughout the entire film. He’s adorable when he’s young, and he’s likable when he’s older. I’m not sure we see a ton of development from really any of the characters, but at least Bambi is likable. The real star of the show however is none other than Friend Owl. I had not seen Bambi in many, many years before making this list, and I had completely forgotten about Friend Owl. In short, he’s hilarious. My favorite Friend Owl scene has got to be when the birds around him start to sing their song and Friend Owl just completely loses his temper, ruining their song in the process. He can be cranky and stern, but he’s also very nice and can always be counted on to look after the young prince.

There were times during this film that I thought I had stepped into the Willy Wonka universe. Once the crew of Bambi, Thumper and Flower are all grown up, we see them going off to do manly things in the forest or something. Then, one by one, a female critter pops up and hypnotizes Flower (who I could have sworn was gay), and then Thumper, and finally Bambi. It was kind of funny how they each found love in a line like that. The love sequences for Thumper and Flower were short, not to mention unbelievable in Flower’s case, but Bambi’s had a little more substance to it. Faline is actually a lot of fun, especially when they’re younger. And Bambi was so shy! Their introduction was a really cute scene, and I’m glad it was included into the film to give us a little bit of development between them.
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DoctorBIind
06/28/12 12:15:00 PM
#181:


I know everyone likes to say that the death of Bambi’s mother is one of the saddest things in the canon, but it really isn’t. Now hear me out. The relationship between Bambi and his mother is never really developed all that well. The scenes they have together are short, and they don’t really expand on much more aside from the typical mother and son relationship. We also don’t even see the death actually happen. It occurs off screen, and Bambi is only seen grieving for a very short amount of time. Was it an emotional scene? Sure. But if it truly rocked Bambi’s world we didn’t see it. After his mother’s death we really didn’t see him struggle to deal with it at all. It was just sort of pushed to the back of our minds for the rest of the film. What actually makes this scene sad is the music that accompanies it. As the two of them are trying to run to safety the music is sporadic and intense. We hear a gunshot and it quickly slows down, and the wind begins to pick up. It’s a great choice to signify how alone Bambi is at the moment, and I think more than anything it helps achieve the purpose of the scene. Also what’s the deal with Bambi’s dad? He is so serious and intimidating! Do male deer just leave their families once their kids are born? Even Bambi is seen alone with his father as opposed to being with his family at the very end of the film.

Bambi suffers at times due to the film getting a little boring in places. It’s always beautiful to watch, but some parts seemed to drag on a little too long. The first half in particular is a little slow, but the second half dramatically picks up the pace. Right from his fight with Ronno the douche things start to get intense for Bambi. He’s constantly trying to protect Faline amidst obstacles from rival deer, hunting dogs, man, and the environment. Despite receiving a wound of his own, Bambi overcomes these trials and returns to safety with the rest of the critters. This segment is exceptionally well done, creating a fast-paced environment filled with tension and high drama. It’s a great climax for a very good film. If the film had better characters and a more visible villain, it would no doubt be ranked higher on the list.

Next Up: A Renaissance film.
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Pokewars
06/28/12 12:19:00 PM
#182:


From: DoctorBIind | #181
Next Up: A Renaissance film.


OH.....MY........GOD! PRINCE ALI? FABULOUS HE?

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06/28/12 12:21:00 PM
#183:


Ali Ababwa!
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vcharon
06/28/12 12:30:00 PM
#184:


Mostly agree with your points. Few things to comment on.

Flower... yeah, I'll be honest I thought he was gay. His introduction scene he's basically fawning over Bambi and blushing about how Bambi can call him whatever he wants. It just led me to believe that... yeah. That just didn't seem like a reaction you'd expect. Not to mention, why is his name Flower in the first place? Did Bambi just get really lucky and find him there, or did he actually just rename himself Flower because that's what Bambi said? That being said, his screentime is so limited in the original film that I really never understood his popularity.

Man is actually a pretty good villain in my book. It's amazing what the film did with a silent antagonist who never even appears on screen. Bambi's mother's death is probably overrated by many people, but I still found it to be a touching scene. The film didn't really spend enough time on it, but I did once read that the scene was supposed to be longer but it was edited for content (supposedly actually seeing her body would have made the film less family friendly and all).

Be sure to watch Bambi II to see more of Bambi's dad! Actually a pretty good experience, even if you watch it just to see the relationship he has with his father in between his mother's death and the end of the original movie.

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BrettEagles
06/28/12 12:37:00 PM
#185:


Oh sweet lord. I can't believe Aladdin is next.

Probably Pocahontas.

I also have never understood why Flower is the strongest Bambi character over Thumper & Bambi in the SMDC. It boggles me.

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SuorGenoveffa
06/28/12 12:38:00 PM
#186:


I'm okay with this. Bambi never really caught my attention that much and I don't like Thumper/Flower. Friend Owl has its moments though.

Heh, Doc, so much for Snow White and Cinderella eh?

I guess Pocahontas or Tarzan.

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SuorGenoveffa
06/28/12 12:39:00 PM
#187:


BrettEagles posted...
Oh sweet lord. I can't believe Aladdin is next.

Probably Pocahontas.

I also have never understood why Flower is the strongest Bambi character over Thumper & Bambi in the SMDC. It boggles me.


Probably because it has Karo and Ermine who support it while the other two... most people don't care much about.

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AdmiralZephyr
06/28/12 1:36:00 PM
#188:


Please God let Pocahontas be next.

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PrinceKaro
06/28/12 5:46:00 PM
#189:


>:(

Bambi

Doc's Ranking: 20/51
Karo's Ranking: 5/49

This movie was very difficult to rank, as it is completely different than any other Disney film. Whereas most Disney movies focus on either story or humor (or a combination of both), Bambi instead focuses on the emotions of the audience. Whether it be the cuteness of baby animals, the fear and sadness felt by Bambi at the loss of his mother, or the horrifying menace of 'Man', few movies can match the emotional immersion of Bambi. All the songs are amazing, and help add to the incredible mood of the movie.
Bambi is the crown jewel of the classic era, and there is unlikely to ever be another movie quite like it.


Best Character: Thumper

Frequently thought of as the stereotypical 'cute animal' character, and for good reason. Thumper is simply adorable. Whenever he appears in a scene, he pretty much steals it completely.


Worst Character: Bambi's Mother

She's simply dull and uninteresting, the whole extent of her character is 'lol, I'm a mother', she doesn't even have a real name. Even in the scene where she dies, most of the sadness comes from concern for poor Bambi, rather then actually caring about what just happened to Mommy.

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StifledSilence
06/28/12 5:56:00 PM
#190:


Yay Doc! The second half of Bambi is gold but the first half is torture. Glad to see him not make the top ten.

Pocahontas pretty much has to be next.

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vcharon
06/28/12 6:00:00 PM
#191:


Swerve it's Hercules

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Pokewars
06/28/12 6:01:00 PM
#192:


From: PrinceKaro | #189
Karo's Ranking: 5/49


:O

I like Bambi well and good, but I don't know about that high.

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Raka_Putra
06/28/12 6:04:00 PM
#193:


I think Bambi was my least favorite summon back in KH. He just sort of hops around adorably leaving HP orbs, IIRC.

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Natwaf_akidna
06/28/12 6:10:00 PM
#194:


Wasn't Man Gaston?

I thought Bambi dropped Magic orbs?

Anyway, Renaissance... that's everything from Little Mermaid to... Hercules, correct?

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vcharon
06/28/12 6:13:00 PM
#195:


Man isn't Gaston or Amos Slade, those were just rumors/wishes by the fans.

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pjbasis
06/28/12 6:18:00 PM
#196:


Imma gonna say...."Money"

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Raka_Putra
06/28/12 6:26:00 PM
#197:


From: Natwaf_akidna | #194
Wasn't Man Gaston?

I thought Bambi dropped Magic orbs?

Anyway, Renaissance... that's everything from Little Mermaid to... Hercules, correct?

He dropped magic orbs? Well it's been a long time since I played it *checks* Oh, that's right. He dropped HP orbs in CoM instead.

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AdmiralZephyr
06/28/12 8:23:00 PM
#198:


Natwaf_akidna posted...
Anyway, Renaissance... that's everything from Little Mermaid to... Hercules, correct?



Usually considered to be up through and including Tarzan.

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GenesisSaga
06/29/12 12:43:00 AM
#199:


I'm gonna guess Hercules.

How Chris feels about The Princess and the Frog is how I feel about Hercules.

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Raka_Putra
06/29/12 6:33:00 AM
#200:


Finally watched Brave. It was pretty good, but I agree that it feels like that Brave is swapped at birth with Wreck-It-Ralph. Brave felt very Disney-ish.

I actually shed a few tears watching it, like when Elinor spoke about how they gave Merida what they couldn't have and how she looked at Merida in her ultra-tight gown and looked like she was about to say something but relented. And a few more at the end of the movie.

It's not as...inventive as some other Pixar movies, and it somewhat felt like (spoiler of the 'main' plot) Brother Bear meets Beauty and the Beast but it's worth a watch.

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