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Lopen 04/01/12 10:08:00 PM #251: |
So uhhh... were you just quoting my post to agree with me TheRock1525 or did you just assume I was saying something else because of my first paragraph
I dunno why I care it just seems an odd response. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 10:09:00 PM #252: |
Why did Cena deserve it, exactly?
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edwardsdv 04/01/12 10:11:00 PM #253: |
Rock may actually be right, that theres some kind of plan for a set of 3 matches and thats what this is meant to set up wit hCena ULTIMATELY going over.
But I dont really want this MEing WM29, its time to move on from the Rock and its time for Cena to give the rub to some of his full-time colleagues. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png The one and only Underdog Millionaire and UCA CORPORATE Champion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 10:12:00 PM #254: |
The Rock is scheduled for another PPV appearance and WM29. In what form, don't know yet.
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edwardsdv 04/01/12 10:13:00 PM #255: |
From: TheRock1525 | #252 Because Cena works here full time and Rock has a wife to satisfy his need to be jerked off in public. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png The one and only Underdog Millionaire and UCA CORPORATE Champion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 10:14:00 PM #256: |
Rock doesn't have a wife.
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SmartMuffin 04/01/12 10:14:00 PM #257: |
From: TheRock1525 | #254 Great. That's totally the same thing as being a full-time employee who works every single damn raw and a ton of house shows. Cena busts his ass off for this company. Rock is using them to advertise his movies. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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edwardsdv 04/01/12 10:14:00 PM #258: |
From: TheRock1525 | #254 Thats what I feared. And you people wonder why Muffin and I prefer TNA. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png The one and only Underdog Millionaire and UCA CORPORATE Champion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 10:17:00 PM #259: |
I'm glad that Cena's got a perfect attendance record but that doesn't make him more "deserving."
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Lopen 04/01/12 10:19:00 PM #260: |
Question for those people who are down on the match result. Which result is better for you?
Cena wins over Rock and they do the torch passing moment. Beyond a victory celebration the show just goes on as it was before with Cena. -OR- Result is as is, but causes Cena to revamp his character in some way... heel turns because he's pissed Rock won or reinvents himself because he cost himself the match or whatever. I'm just curious which you think is better booking. And if you think the former is-- do you think Cena is in need of character development. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 04/01/12 10:24:00 PM #261: |
Cena might have deserved but he's also been on top for longer than The Rock was even in the company as an active competitor (2005-12 vs. 96-03), and also actually has wins in the main event of Wrestlemania. Rock literally lost three WM main events in a row. He deserves one too.
And Rock busted his ass, btw. He did his time. Rock isn't just some movie star; he did the stuff Cena does but he did it back then. This isn't like Vin Diesel coming to WWE and going over Cena in the main event of WM, I think people forget that sometimes about Rock. -- http://www.celebrityclubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Sort_of_want.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 10:26:00 PM #262: |
Keep in mind Rock was also part of the WWF/E when they were going head-to-head with WCW, meaning if they didn't put out the best possible product WCW was going to do their damndest to put them out of business.
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edwardsdv 04/01/12 10:26:00 PM #263: |
Definitely the former if I'm writing WWE.
Cena's not turning heel any time soon because even Punk and Orton aren't on his level I dont think. I also dont think his character is in any special need to change. I think most of the time, Cena is the victim of poor writing more than anything. What he needs are more angles that let him let loose like the last few weeks with the Rock or his angle this summer with Punk. Heck even his angle two summers ago was fun and a great use of him til the writing got dumb. Wrestling right now has so many guys who switch alignment willy-nilly and Cenas constancy is one of his most endearing attributes. If you start treating John Cena like anybody else, so will the fans. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png The one and only Underdog Millionaire and UCA CORPORATE Champion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 04/01/12 10:27:00 PM #264: |
While Cena has been "the man" during a ratings decline and decreasing PPV buys. #justsaying
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edwardsdv 04/01/12 10:28:00 PM #265: |
From: XIII_rocks | #261 Its not our fault he didnt go over at Wrestlemania 2000. Thats when it shouldve happened. And the only reason he DIDNT have a longer run at the top is precisely BECAUSE he left the business. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png The one and only Underdog Millionaire and UCA CORPORATE Champion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 10:29:00 PM #266: |
His angle with Punk over the summer was all Punk.
His biggest moment was him punching Punk after he called him the New York Yankees, a minute after Cena said Vince McMahon ate Big Foot's diaper. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 04/01/12 10:30:00 PM #267: |
Abrupt topic shift:
Everyone but, like, 2 people loved Trips vs. Taker right? Because that match was awesome. Shawn's burden as referee was incredible. All this historical WWE s*** keeps getting dumped on him, from being the guy who has to screw Bret, to being the guy who has to retire Flair, to this. Him rocking in the corner like Mankind circa 1996 or something when the entire match had gone haywire and the most important thing in WWE history depended on him was amazing. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GTM 04/01/12 10:31:00 PM #268: |
It was my MotN!
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PrivateBiscuit1 04/01/12 10:31:00 PM #269: |
Eh, it was pretty good. I felt it was kind of weak in a lot of ways though.
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edwardsdv 04/01/12 10:31:00 PM #270: |
From: TheRock1525 | #262 The only difference between now and then was WCW made them look forward. If there had been no WCW you and I woudlve forgotten about the Rock (or Rocky Maivia more likely) long ago and we'd STILL be watching guys like Piper and Jimmy Snuka in Main Event spots. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png The one and only Underdog Millionaire and UCA CORPORATE Champion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 10:31:00 PM #271: |
And the only reason he DIDNT have a longer run at the top is precisely BECAUSE he left the business.
And if The Rock was still wrestling those 8 years, people would be b****ing about how tired they are off The Rock and wish he was off TV. In fact, people were like that in 2002! You guys were barely tolerated him being around a month and you're pissed at him for leaving for those 8 years? There really is no winning here. If Rock had stuck around all these years, people would complain about him being around too long. So he left at, what I would say was a comfortable position in his career, and people get mad about that, too. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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edwardsdv 04/01/12 10:33:00 PM #272: |
From: Jakyl25 | #267 The theatre was good. the match itself was weaksauce. Good enough to be the second best match of the night though. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png The one and only Underdog Millionaire and UCA CORPORATE Champion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Masato_Tanaka 04/01/12 10:34:00 PM #273: |
What the entire IWC seems to be forgetting is that Cena obviously knows that putting Rock over is good for ****ing business, and that's really what matters in the long run to the WWE. It gives you way more opportunities long term.
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edwardsdv 04/01/12 10:35:00 PM #274: |
From: TheRock1525 | #271 All I was saying is it undermined whatever point XIII was trying to make. And Im not mad he left. I'm mad he left, and then came back and the WWE proceeded to stuff his johnson in their mouths for over a year. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png The one and only Underdog Millionaire and UCA CORPORATE Champion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 04/01/12 10:35:00 PM #275: |
Yes, Taker/Trips was amazing...theatre. That's all I can call it, and that's absolutely not a criticism. I was on the edge of my seat the whole way through. The ending of it seemed to have some callbacks to WM26 (Trips using Taker to pull himself up, before the throatslit sign but this time it was from Taker, not HBK) and 27 ("STAY DOWN!", again this time from Taker and not Trips) too which I appreciated.
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 10:36:00 PM #276: |
edwardsdv posted...
From: TheRock1525 | #262 Keep in mind Rock was also part of the WWF/E when they were going head-to-head with WCW, meaning if they didn't put out the best possible product WCW was going to do their damndest to put them out of business. The only difference between now and then was WCW made them look forward. If there had been no WCW you and I woudlve forgotten about the Rock (or Rocky Maivia more likely) long ago and we'd STILL be watching guys like Piper and Jimmy Snuka in Main Event spots. And that has nothing to do with Rock/Cena. If the WWE is burying undercard talent, it's because they're doing it for the benefit of guys like CENA. Rock beating Cena doesn't mean everyone will forget about Cena (despite his claims otherwise). This is ONE match. ONE. When Cena and Ziggler go at it at the next PPV and Cena buries Ziggler, THEN you can b****. But Cena is fine, Rock is fine. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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edwardsdv 04/01/12 10:37:00 PM #277: |
That said, I hope to god this is it for taker. he just looked so terrible out there.
I'd be okay with Trips never working another match either. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png The one and only Underdog Millionaire and UCA CORPORATE Champion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 04/01/12 10:37:00 PM #278: |
From: XIII_rocks | #275 All wrestling is is theater. This was a little more theatrical than most, I can admit. But this is what they earn for building a match on 20 years of legacies. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 04/01/12 10:38:00 PM #279: |
From: edwardsdv | #277 Oh definitely. That post-match was so beautiful, but ONLY if they all never wrestle again. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GTM 04/01/12 10:38:00 PM #280: |
From: Jakyl25 | #279 You can't stay away from that itch forever -- Boko United - Geriatric Titanium Mustache Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 10:41:00 PM #281: |
Honestly, the biggest atrocity of tonight was Cody losing to the Big Show (if the Bryan injury is true).
Now you want to talk about an example of someone needing it more. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 04/01/12 10:42:00 PM #282: |
From: GTM | #280 Shawn seemingly can! I was telling voltch in IM, the post-match felt like 3 honored warriors carrying each other into the halls of Valhalla. The fact that they all disappeared behind the massive "20-0" screen and then fade to black was perfect. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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edwardsdv 04/01/12 10:42:00 PM #283: |
Oh theres no question.
The theme of the night was "old-timer beats younger, more deserving guy" to a large extent. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png The one and only Underdog Millionaire and UCA CORPORATE Champion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 04/01/12 10:42:00 PM #284: |
From: Jakyl25 | #278 Oh yeah I agree, all wrestling is theatre. This just went way above and beyond and made it as dramatic as possible. -- Official Board 8 ~RECORD SETTER~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KJH 04/01/12 10:45:00 PM #285: |
If anything, having someone better than The Rock would be a bit absurd because what on earth do you do with him?
If Cena's gonna be an active worker for some time to come and obviously gonna get his hands into titles again eventually, it'd be for the best that he's not literally beyond legendary so that he can still OVERCOME THE ODDS. Either that, or just have some actual chance of being beaten and it still meaning something. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - Beruga Brawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Masato_Tanaka 04/01/12 10:45:00 PM #286: |
IDK, I feel like guys like Rhodes and Bryan will just be fine in the long run. Especially if they build them up with longer feuds with Show/Sheamus.
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 10:45:00 PM #287: |
edwardsdv posted...
Oh theres no question. The theme of the night was "old-timer beats younger, more deserving guy" to a large extent. Rock is only 5 years older than Cena. Cena is going to be 35 at the end of the month? Wow. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 04/01/12 10:46:00 PM #288: |
From: KJH | #285 That's true. And it's not like Cena got crushed tonight, either. He basically wins if he doesn't show off with the People's Elbow at the end there. All that shows in kayfabe is that is he's a very strong competitor but it at least gives him a weakness. -- Luster Reloaded 7:37pm THE CALLOUT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 10:47:00 PM #289: |
Cena jobbed to Miz last year, obviously he's done.
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JaKyL25 04/01/12 10:49:00 PM #290: |
For all the complaints about who jobbed, let's not forget that Punk and Sheamus cemented their stardoms tonight.
Honestly, while I'm completely okay with the Sheamus/Bryan match, I do think it would have played better as the next-to-last match. That's my ONLY complaint about it. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 10:53:00 PM #291: |
I still liked the idea of them having a real match with a humiliation conga line to end it. But if he was hurt, I guess it's the best we were going to get.
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KJH 04/01/12 10:53:00 PM #292: |
Sheamus did anything but cement his stardom tonight. That match built no credibility, which he kinda needs given how often he's given false starts.
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JaKyL25 04/01/12 10:56:00 PM #293: |
He's been on a non-stop train to titletown since last August and he finally got there!
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KommunistKoala 04/01/12 11:00:00 PM #294: |
Where is Kane going from here? Is beating Orton just hyping him up to fight Sheamus? Or is this supposed to be a continued feud with Orton?
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GTM 04/01/12 11:03:00 PM #295: |
From: TheRock1525 | #291 this would've happened if team teddy won! -- Boko United - Geriatric Titanium Mustache Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 04/01/12 11:03:00 PM #296: |
I assume Kane/Sheamus is going to happen.
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KJH 04/01/12 11:03:00 PM #297: |
Sheamus has been on a nonstop Jinder Mahal squash match routine for the better part of a year. He never lost (ever) but man, I can't really recall where the notable wins he had were aside from the RR.
Anything Sheamus can do to build credibility would come with a good title feud after this, but before it he was just doing typical superman against jobbers by himself or coming in fresh against the weaker man in a tag team match, and then there's this "match". -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - Beruga Brawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 04/01/12 11:07:00 PM #298: |
From: TheRock1525 | #296 Oh man I hadn't even considered this. My thought was just that they have nothing else for Orton to do at the moment so they thought the best option would be to extend this feud until they have something. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GTM 04/01/12 11:10:00 PM #299: |
Is there any point of a draft at this point? Supershows and Johnny controlling both brands...
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JaKyL25 04/01/12 11:13:00 PM #300: |
One final Draft that's completely mocked and crapped on by the commentary team as being completely irrelevant could work to nail the end of the Brand Sep home.
Johnny getting all excited for each spin of the Draft wheel to see which toy goes into which toybox! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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