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tereziWright
02/03/12 9:24:00 AM
#1:


I mean, the first 3 weren't gold or anything, but I was kind of looking forward to some more backstory stuff, and apparently this newest one is completely ****ed up?

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FAHtastic
02/03/12 9:27:00 AM
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Ayuyu
02/03/12 9:28:00 AM
#3:


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBpMF3ONlI308D9IGG8KICBHfWKU0sXh0ntukv-_cmo/preview?pli=1&sle=true

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tereziWright
02/03/12 9:32:00 AM
#4:


Jesus christ.

What the **** did they do?

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Black_Hydras
02/03/12 10:10:00 AM
#5:


Wowzers.

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tereziWright
02/03/12 10:14:00 AM
#6:


Man

I was REALLY looking forward to seeing more from those characters, too.

And now they're not even gonna be in ME3?

**** that jazz.

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LeonhartFour
02/03/12 10:15:00 AM
#7:


Yeah, the whole thing is riddled with errors, contradictions, and inconsistencies.

Also, a guy eating a box of Anderson's cereal after breaking into his apartment just to show how much of a jerk he is.

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foolm0ron
02/03/12 10:15:00 AM
#8:


Who cares?

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Ayuyu
02/03/12 10:16:00 AM
#9:


From: foolm0ron | #008
Who cares?


It's gonna affect canon bro.

People care about canon.

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tereziWright
02/03/12 10:17:00 AM
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That is so far removed from Kai Leng's character.

UGH.

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PrivateBiscuit1
02/03/12 10:22:00 AM
#11:


People give a s*** about spinoff books?

I always assumed spinoff books were always just thought to be non-canon.

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Ayuyu
02/03/12 10:22:00 AM
#12:


Huh no, often books are canon.

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tereziWright
02/03/12 10:23:00 AM
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From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #011
People give a s*** about spinoff books?

I always assumed spinoff books were always just thought to be non-canon.


They're canon. And actually pretty good.

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FAHtastic
02/03/12 10:24:00 AM
#14:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
People give a s*** about spinoff books?

I always assumed spinoff books were always just thought to be non-canon.

Gears of War 3 and Mass Effect 3 both feature characters who were from either spin-off books or comics.

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Robazoid
02/03/12 10:25:00 AM
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The spinoff books outside of the first one (which was merely bad but hey what did you expect) were already ****ing terrible. One literally had an action scene that was basically described as 'he walked through the station, taking cover where he had to and shooting the enemies when it was safe to slowly pick them off. Then he reached the docking bay'

OMG

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LeonhartFour
02/03/12 10:26:00 AM
#16:


Good news, everyone!

Jeff Zero 1:23 pm
So uh... wow.

Leonhart4 1:24 pm
Wow?

Jeff Zero 1:24 pm
The "Deception" fan campaign actually won.

Leonhart4 1:24 pm
It did?

Jeff Zero 1:24 pm
...yeah.

Leonhart4 1:24 pm
Nice

Jeff Zero 1:24 pm
o_o
We did it.
It's being made noncanon and a heavily revised edition will be out in a couple of months.

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Ayuyu
02/03/12 10:27:00 AM
#17:


From: Robazoid | #015
The spinoff books outside of the first one (which was merely bad but hey what did you expect) were already ****ing terrible. One literally had an action scene that was basically described as 'he walked through the station, taking cover where he had to and shooting the enemies when it was safe to slowly pick them off. Then he reached the docking bay'

OMG


Even I can write better action scenes in English.

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tereziWright
02/03/12 10:31:00 AM
#18:


Oh man

Awesome

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Jeff Zero
02/03/12 10:31:00 AM
#19:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
People give a s*** about spinoff books?

I always assumed spinoff books were always just thought to be non-canon.

The issue here is that since Drew Karpyshyn, one of the lead writers for the series, penned the first three books BioWare went ahead and deemed them canonical. Ditto with the comics from Mac Walters, which were all worse except the more recent stuff, which is surprisingly passable.

Now this fourth book from freelance author William C. Dietz, who Halo diehards will remember for completely f***ing up the Halo: CE novelization, gets treated as canon as well. Then the problem arises that the Google document some of us crafted will bear witness to: there are like a hundred mind-blowingly stupid canonical inconsistencies at play here.

...to say nothing of the fact that it's truly one of the worst books I've ever read, but hey, we can't win 'em all.

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Jeff Zero
02/03/12 10:32:00 AM
#20:


Hey guys, been a long time (bit of a running gag there as the vets well know).

Just thought I'd pop in for this thread considering my rather... erm, close affiliation with the movement to get this trainwreck removed form canon. Yeah, I realize how nerdy it all sounds and I'm perfectly fine with that.

Anyway, as proof, here's the 11k+ topic I started that got fans together to craft that Google document:
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9070774

You'll notice it just recently got locked. Why? Well because BioWare likes to minimalize sales loss, really, but more to-the-point, because we just received an official response:
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9150901

So yeah, there you have it. I'm really proud to have played such a big part in this, but make no mistake: it was entirely a collaborative effort across dozens of fans and also the wiki base -- damn, they were pissed. You know how they can be. Trying to fit "Deception" into the canon is like... it's like... it's like impossible, okay man?

Pretty glad to see that we kinda-sorta won, too. I'd rather the whole thing be forgotten, but seeing them scramble for an extensive rewrite is pretty gratifying.

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LeonhartFour
02/03/12 10:34:00 AM
#21:


See, while we're all here complaining, Jeff Zero is out there getting things done.

My hero

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Jeff Zero
02/03/12 10:34:00 AM
#22:


LeonhartFour posted...
See, while we're all here complaining, Jeff Zero is out there getting things done.

My hero

:D

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PrivateBiscuit1
02/03/12 10:35:00 AM
#23:


So Jeff Zero, you left Board 8 to become a frequent member of the Bioware forums?

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the icon ownz all
02/03/12 10:35:00 AM
#24:


From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #011
People give a s*** about spinoff books?

I always assumed spinoff books were always just thought to be non-canon.


There's nothing inherently wrong with work-for-hire or tie-in fiction. One of America's best living authors wrote a Predator book. Tobias Buckell, a very talented writer, wrote a Halo book. Occasionally, companies will put talented people behind these projects. Admittedly, that's fairly rare, and most cases of tie-in fiction are simply cash grabs. But hey! Not always!


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the icon ownz all
02/03/12 10:35:00 AM
#25:


From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #023
So Jeff Zero, you left Board 8 to become a frequent member of the Bioware forums?


He is - or was - a moderator for that forum.


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Jeff Zero
02/03/12 10:36:00 AM
#26:


the icon ownz all posted...
From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #011
People give a s*** about spinoff books?

I always assumed spinoff books were always just thought to be non-canon.
There's nothing inherently wrong with work-for-hire or tie-in fiction. One of America's best living authors wrote a Predator book. Tobias Buckell, a very talented writer, wrote a Halo book. Occasionally, companies will put talented people behind these projects. Admittedly, that's fairly rare, and most cases of tie-in fiction are simply cash grabs. But hey! Not always!


Indeed. It's a rare thing but it happens.

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Jeff Zero
02/03/12 10:37:00 AM
#27:


the icon ownz all posted...
From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #023
So Jeff Zero, you left Board 8 to become a frequent member of the Bioware forums?
He is - or was - a moderator for that forum.


Was. I can't really balance it right now with school and work. Just like I couldn't really balance B8 with moderating and work.

I tend to play the scales. It's my lotto machine of choice. It's a delicate balancing act that keeps me from making stupid mistakes in life.

Truth be told, I also bought a wicked-cool HDTV and I've been preoccupied with that as well.

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the icon ownz all
02/03/12 10:38:00 AM
#28:


i bet browsing the internet with your ps3 on that new hdtv is awful


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Ayuyu
02/03/12 10:39:00 AM
#29:


Moderating the Bioware forums.

Man that's like going to hell voluntarily.

What the ****.

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Jeff Zero
02/03/12 10:40:00 AM
#30:


the icon ownz all posted...
i bet browsing the internet with your ps3 on that new hdtv is awful


Haha, thankfully I have a real PC now. My PS3 can go back to doing what it does best -- overheating.

Wait.

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Aecioo
02/03/12 10:40:00 AM
#31:


I'm more surprised that people read books based on videogames tbqh.

I always assumed they were all trash like this book apparently is.

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Jeff Zero
02/03/12 10:40:00 AM
#32:


Ayuyu posted...
Moderating the Bioware forums.

Man that's like going to hell voluntarily.

What the ****.

For a split second I felt like making some sort of comeback, but there's no denying this.

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Jeff Zero
02/03/12 10:41:00 AM
#33:


Aecioo posted...
I'm more surprised that people read books based on videogames tbqh.

I always assumed they were all trash like this book apparently is.

Well Karpyshyn is definitely better at writing video games than he is at writing novels. I don't think I've ever met anyone who has claimed otherwise. But in my opinion, the first three books were actually OK. Not... prize-winning, but OK.

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the icon ownz all
02/03/12 10:43:00 AM
#34:


From: Aecioo | #031
I'm more surprised that people read books based on videogames tbqh.

I always assumed they were all trash like this book apparently is.


Most people read bad books.


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Aecioo
02/03/12 10:43:00 AM
#35:


Jeff Zero posted...
Aecioo posted...
I'm more surprised that people read books based on videogames tbqh.

I always assumed they were all trash like this book apparently is.

Well Karpyshyn is definitely better at writing video games than he is at writing novels. I don't think I've ever met anyone who has claimed otherwise. But in my opinion, the first three books were actually OK. Not... prize-winning, but OK.

I meant videogame books in general. Like I see a million Halo books, and just kind of assume that it's a quick cash in based on the franchise. Same with pretty much every videogame book.

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Jeff Zero
02/03/12 10:44:00 AM
#36:


Aecioo posted...
Jeff Zero posted...
Aecioo posted...
I'm more surprised that people read books based on videogames tbqh.

I always assumed they were all trash like this book apparently is.

Well Karpyshyn is definitely better at writing video games than he is at writing novels. I don't think I've ever met anyone who has claimed otherwise. But in my opinion, the first three books were actually OK. Not... prize-winning, but OK.

I meant videogame books in general. Like I see a million Halo books, and just kind of assume that it's a quick cash in based on the franchise. Same with pretty much every videogame book.

Oddly enough, I've heard good things.

I don't really know the Halo universe very well though (kind of surprising given my love for sci-fi and video games, I guess) so I can't comment.

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Ayuyu
02/03/12 10:45:00 AM
#37:


I kinda liked the Halo books, though I read them 5-6 years ago so maybe I wouldn't like them as much if I read them now.

The first Guild Wars book is genuinely good though, the second one not so much but I still enjoyed it.

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tereziWright
02/03/12 10:48:00 AM
#38:


The Halo books are pretty lame. I only read the first 3, and I think...one of them was OK?

I haven't read any others besides Mass Effect, though. The first one stars Saren and Anderson pre-ME1 and is pretty cool in that sense. The 2nd and 3rd books (and 4th apparently) are more tied together, and aren't as good IMHO, though they do have some interesting characters that I would have liked to have seen in the games.

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Jeff Zero
02/03/12 10:49:00 AM
#39:


Well, one of the major book-only characters will indeed be making an appearance in ME3, at any rate. And The Illusive Man and Aria are two ME2-introduced characters that were originally introduced in a book and a comic respectively, if you want to get uber-technical about things.

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shadosneko
02/03/12 10:51:00 AM
#40:


Comics based on games >>> books based on games.

Actually, screw that

Games based on games >>> both.

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tereziWright
02/03/12 10:53:00 AM
#41:


From: shadosneko | #040
Comics based on games >>> books based on games.


I the case of Mass Effect...no.

From: Jeff Zero | #039
Well, one of the major book-only characters will indeed be making an appearance in ME3, at any rate. And The Illusive Man and Aria are two ME2-introduced characters that were originally introduced in a book and a comic respectively, if you want to get uber-technical about things.


True.

Who's making an appearance?

I remember that one of the new party members was originally called something Sanders, but I thought they changed that (and I couldn't figure out how that made sense). I haven't been keeping up with the news very much, trying to minimize spoilers.

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Jeff Zero
02/03/12 10:58:00 AM
#42:


Well.

*Relatively small spoilers for Mass Effect 3*







*This is your final warning*






Kahlee Sanders is in ME3. You go to Grissom Academy, actually. Jack is there too.

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masterplum
02/03/12 10:59:00 AM
#43:


Yea, I'm with Aecioo here, I thought all video game books were trash. Didn't actually know decent ones existed



Good job Jeffreyzero btw Makes me proud to have voted you in UotY

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tereziWright
02/03/12 10:59:00 AM
#44:


Awesome.

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tereziWright
02/03/12 11:00:00 AM
#45:


You know what has good tie in books?

The Witcher.




















<_<

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Jeff Zero
02/03/12 11:00:00 AM
#46:


masterplum posted...
Yea, I'm with Aecioo here, I thought all video game books were trash. Didn't actually know decent ones existed



Good job Jeffreyzero btw Makes me proud to have voted you in UotY

You did? Aw shucks.

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Gatarix
02/03/12 11:01:00 AM
#47:


Jeff Zero 1:24 pm
o_o
We did it.
It's being made noncanon and a heavily revised edition will be out in a couple of months.

Jeff Zero is a boss.


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WazzupGenius00
02/03/12 11:01:00 AM
#48:


From: Aecioo | #035
I meant videogame books in general. Like I see a million Halo books, and just kind of assume that it's a quick cash in based on the franchise. Same with pretty much every videogame book.


No way man my Choose Your Own Adventure Oracle of Seasons book is Pulitzer Prize material

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BlackMageJawa
02/03/12 11:03:00 AM
#49:


And The Illusive Man and Aria are two ME2-introduced characters that were originally introduced in a book and a comic respectively, if you want to get uber-technical about things.

Since the first novel was released long before the game, Saren and David Anderson were both introduced in books as well. Possibly a few other people who showed up in Revelation and then the games, but I can't recall anyone specific off the top of my head.

Also, there are some really good books based on games. Not many, I'll admit, although there are plenty that are enjoyable if not exactly great literature (the ME books included). The ones based on Myst are superb. And some of the Wing Commander novels are surprisingly good too.

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foolm0ron
02/03/12 11:03:00 AM
#50:


From: Ayuyu | #009
It's gonna affect canon bro.

People care about canon.


Clearly this won't affect it if it's so far gone from the existing canon. Bioware has the real writers of the story, and they can ignore the book if they want.

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