Board 8 > Seth Killian talks at lenght about Street Fighter X Tekken's Gem system

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http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/02/seth-killian-competitive-gaming-and-the-value-of-gems/

A pretty interesting read, and something that many people should consider. I still have reservations about the system myself (especially with gem DLC not only being confirmed, but also being split into multiple preorder bonuses), but some very good points are made here.

Also, leaked DLC characters:
http://shoryuken.com/2012/01/31/rumor-street-fighter-x-tekken-dlc-leaked-adds-christie-leo-cody-and-guy/

So really, if there's anything to get immediately all up ons about, it's pre-planned DLC characters!

I'm still cautiously optimistic about this game, but I have faith in Capcom wanting to deliver a good product to its customers.

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pre-planned character DLC
pre-planned gems DLC

pre-planned not buying

From: OmarsComin | Posted: 2/1/2012 5:59:18 AM | #002
pre-planned character DLC
pre-planned gems DLC

pre-planned not buying

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From: OmarsComin | #002
pre-planned character DLC
pre-planned gems DLC

pre-planned not buying

Yep.

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Also, I've never had a problem with more customization in fighting games. Different stat modifiers allow for different ways to play, and gives the game more depth provided that the choices actually matter or one set doesn't dominate all.

But DLC and pre-order gems are garbage.

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It should be really hard to screw up fan-service crossover fighters, yet Capcom keeps doing it consistently.

From: OmarsComin | #002
pre-planned character DLC
pre-planned gems DLC

pre-planned not buying

This.

Why the hell would you hype up Guy and Cody in your freaking game trailers/intros and then not include them?

This f***ing company.

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has Elena and Sean been announced yet

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From: Weakupedia | #001
cody-and-guy/

Sold.

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and yea, this is so horrible

and they do it with smiles on their faces

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If it's $8 for 4 characters, that's not THAT bad.

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do it, Capcom

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do it Capcom

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Lupinko said that they were originally going to be DLC but they managed to get them in on time. I trust him more than a rumor but it's not a huge loss if they end up being DLC because I just won't buy them.

I agree with Seth 100% on gems. People are just being ridiculous over something that looks like it could really improve this game.

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Haggar showing up out of no where and running wild on everyone

do it, capcom

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MY BODY IS READY

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oh god I'm angry at capcom all over again

WHY DID YOU DO THAT TO F***ING HAGGAR

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What the hell is wrong with Capcom these days... I remember back when you could actually unlock new characters... the good ol' days of Capcom Vs. SNK Millennium Fight 2000

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You guys got to remember Seth said that you shouldn't worry about Wesker's glasses buff and it's not too major.

You can't count on Capcom to keep the base roster balanced, let alone with the gems. Rufus with attack up gems is already giving me the shivers.

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unlocking characters is also terrible tbqh, unless they're just joke characters or clearly overpowered

but really I have a hard time trusting an unsourced rumor about the characters, especially when lupinko has said things to the contrary. And even if the characters are DLC, they're cheaper than DLC characters have ever been in any fighting game before this.

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From: skull_bonek23 | #017
I agree with Seth 100% on gems. People are just being ridiculous over something that looks like it could really improve this game.

Yes, withholding steroids from your players because they bought their game off Amazon instead of going to Gamestop is the future of gaming.

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Also ESRB pretty much leaked that Alisa is in the game.
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/synopsis.jsp?Certificate=31868

Ugh, guess that means Lars is in the game as well.

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GO TO BED

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From: NioraptH | #023
So there's a chance they might be in the final release?

...Time to pray to whatever fighting game deity...

I think he meant they weren't supposed to be on the disc and they were STILL gonna be DLC, but since they finished them intime they put them on the disc and are gonna charge for them anyways

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It's made even worse when you realize Guy and Cody are the easiest characters to port from SSF4 into the SFxT engine since they already have links similar to the combo system in SFxT.

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I would pay for haggar DLC

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I agree with Seth 100% on gems. People are just being ridiculous over something that looks like it could really improve this game.

People aren't upset with the idea of gems, so long as they're balanced. People are upset that you have to preorder from certain places or buy a bunch of DLC to have an even playing field with the people who did. It's really not hard to understand.

Man, pre-gems I thought this was going to be the new best fighter on the block.
Now I'm probably not even going to buy it. Or I'll at least wait for Super SFxT or whatever.

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I just can't wait for Capcom's reaction when every tournament bans gems.

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You know, I feel like a good company would make more new characters that were in demand for DLC since they finished those in time for the release.

Which explains why Capcom is doing what it's doing.

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From: GenesisTwilight | #035
I just can't wait for Capcom's reaction when every tournament bans gems.

I can tell you based on twitter that EVO likely won't be banning. Tom Cannon was saying banning would be stupid just a day or two ago. And of course almost everyone else will just follow EVO's standard

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Gem system is fine.

preorder stuff and day 1 DLC is lol

that's all I have to contribute.

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Won't it kind of take a while for everyone to pick out their specific gems for each match?

And won't they need to have every gem unlocked for each game they use at tournaments for it to be fair?

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gem system?
what is this power stone.

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BIGPUN9999 posted...
I think he meant they weren't supposed to be on the disc and they were STILL gonna be DLC, but since they finished them intime they put them on the disc and are gonna charge for them anyways


Nah, lupinko implied they were gonna be in the final release.

Cody and Guy were first designed to be DLC characters, this is why no gameplay footage nor confirmation of their existence were shown after their cgi trailer debut. However they will be part of the cast now.

EDIT: Which actually makes sense, considering they say they were "late" in the trailer.

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I don't think people understand the idea behind day one DLC, but Capcom has a history of handling things like this poorly.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Won't it kind of take a while for everyone to pick out their specific gems for each match?

And won't they need to have every gem unlocked for each game they use at tournaments for it to be fair?

Yeah I'm curious as to how they'll handle unlocking the gems for competitive play but I doubt it would be any different from unlocking all of the characters in a game. As for taking extra time to pick the gems, this game is going to have button checks on the character select screen so I think that it might take even less time than most other fighting games to get into a match. I'm sure they'll optimize gem selection too.

I can understand that people would be upset that certain gems are only available from certain places but we don't even know what the gems are yet. And I don't feel like it's any different than having certain places offer certain pre-order characters. Just because you get another character doesn't mean that you have an edge over your opponent. Just because you have different gems doesn't mean that you're suddenly better.

Even IF the pre-order gems are stupid, the beauty of fighting games is that I can still beat your Yun or Yang with my Dan if I'm good enough. If you have enough skill then you could turn off your gems and still beat the hell out of your opponent using gems. They add strategy but it doesn't seem like they're game-breaking in the slightest.

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And I don't feel like it's any different than having certain places offer certain pre-order characters.

We think those are dumb too. DLC characters are a nasty situation in any case, they're not allowed in some games and for others it takes a long while to decide if they're allowed or not. Any time you have paid DLC that affects the gameplay, you are negatively messing with the competitive scene. If it's Day 1 on disc DLC, it's extra dirty.

OmarsComin posted...
And I don't feel like it's any different than having certain places offer certain pre-order characters.

We think those are dumb too. DLC characters are a nasty situation in any case, they're not allowed in some games and for others it takes a long while to decide if they're allowed or not. Any time you have paid DLC that affects the gameplay, you are negatively messing with the competitive scene. If it's Day 1 on disc DLC, it's extra dirty.

But people act like the game is unplayable or awful because of DLC that doesn't give anyone any adherent advantage (or if any, slight). Also these pre-order gems DON'T affect gameplay at all! I mean unless you plan on using those pre-order gems or those DLC characters, the game is going to be exactly the same for you. You might have more strategies that you have to defend against but I feel like that's where the fun of the game comes in. I realize that it messes up the competitive scene a little bit but most likely they'll just ban the pre-order gems until they're released as DLC (because you're naive if you don't think Capcom will release them all as DLC at some point).

I'm not saying it isn't stupid but people are overreacting.

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From: skull_bonek23 | #044
Even IF the pre-order gems are stupid, the beauty of fighting games is that I can still beat your Yun or Yang with my Dan if I'm good enough. If you have enough skill then you could turn off your gems and still beat the hell out of your opponent using gems. They add strategy but it doesn't seem like they're game-breaking in the slightest.

This is a terrible point. You're trying to excuse paying for power by saying you're not guaranteed to win. That's a no-brainer.

This doesn't change the fact that not only does your opponent have more options available to them than you, which may include blatantly overpowered gems, but they got these gems independent of their skills in the game. They received their gems by pre-ordering at GameStop or shelling out $9.99 for the DLC gem super pack or whatever. They have a leg up because they have cash lying around, not because they proved that they were good at any aspect of the game. It would be like if Yun and Yang were pre-order bonuses instead of characters available to everyone on the disc. It doesn't matter whether or not I could theoretically beat them with Hakan or something, they still have access to powerful options that I don't for reasons that have nothing to do with the game and everything to do with sales.

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We already know what most of the gems are.

http://www.capcom-unity.com/brelston/blog/2011/12/14/street_fighter_x_tekken:_standard_and_pre-order_gems_listed,_explained

The pre order ones are basically the more powerful versions of the default gems but with no drawbacks. That is complete ass.

But at the very least Seth Killian says that if the gems get a big enough negative reception (through don't they already?) they will add a filter for them.

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From: skull_bonek23 | #044
Even IF the pre-order gems are stupid, the beauty of fighting games is that I can still beat your Yun or Yang with my Dan if I'm good enough. If you have enough skill then you could turn off your gems and still beat the hell out of your opponent using gems. They add strategy but it doesn't seem like they're game-breaking in the slightest.
This is a terrible point. You're trying to excuse paying for power by saying you're not guaranteed to win. That's a no-brainer.

This doesn't change the fact that not only does your opponent have more options available to them than you, which may include blatantly overpowered gems, but they got these gems independent of their skills in the game. They received their gems by pre-ordering at GameStop or shelling out $9.99 for the DLC gem super pack or whatever. They have a leg up because they have cash lying around, not because they proved that they were good at any aspect of the game. It would be like if Yun and Yang were pre-order bonuses instead of characters available to everyone on the disc. It doesn't matter whether or not I could theoretically beat them with Hakan or something, they still have access to powerful options that I don't for reasons that have nothing to do with the game and everything to do with sales.

Who gives a s*** if they have more options than I do if I'm not going to use those extra options anyway? I wouldn't have cared at all if Yun and Yang were pre-order characters because I never used them once in AE. If people want to shell out money because they think that they're going to be better players or that they're going to get super gems that are going to make them godlike then they can go ahead. You seem to be in that mindset here. You keep saying that they have an advantage but I'm not seeing it. Having more options doesn't mean that you're magically able to utilize those options. If you're upset about the principle of the matter then go ahead but don't try to say it ruins the game. Capcom is just taking advantage of a certain stupid group of casuals that think they can buy skill and honestly more power to them for it.

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Oh dear god, I just saw the list of gems.

What in the hell are they thinking?

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