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I don't care about Brian Kendrick damnit.

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From: Lopen | #299
Also the storyline would've worked pretty much seamlessly with AJ there, when you think about it. They were Fortune buddies at the time so you just have Roode turn on his Fortune friend rather than his tag team partner. Then have AJ feud with Kurt Angle a bit to help him out, and yeah it all works, without the sour taste of James Storm getting forced in.

Just run a quick 3-month booking for me of the four guys involved here starting from Angle (c) vs. Roode at BFG.

I want to make sure I understand what you're arguing.

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Kurt Angle beats Roode
AJ Styles beats Kurt the week after, getting the title shot James Storm randomly got
Roode asks AJ for a shot. Eventually cheats to beat AJ like he did with Storm. THEY WERE FRIENDS DAMMIT.
AJ and Kurt feud because Roode is dodging AJ and Kurt is pissed because he had the title before AJ took it
Roode feuds with Jeff Hardy for the same reason as he is now

Somewhere in there my knowledge of what TNA did is shaky cause I took a one month break from it but yeah you can basically just plug AJ in for Storm that whole time and make it coherent.

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So then who would Roode be feuding with now?

During the time you have him feuding with Hardy, he WAS feuding with Styles.

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Preview for one of WWE's new YouTube shows.

Probably sounded better on paper. <_<

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WWE shucks.

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From: SmartMuffin | #247

And HE is interrupted by



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From: Lopen | #308
Really? That feud didn't really go anywhere. Throwaway addition basically. What was Storm doing at that time? Is his feud with Kurt just longer than Roode's with Hardy's or what?

Turning Point was:
Roode vs. Styles
Hardy vs. Jarrett
Storm and Angle both out injured

Final Resolution was:
Roode vs. Styles
Hardy vs. Jarrett
Storm vs. Angle

Genesis was:
Roode vs. Hardy
Storm vs. Angle
AJ off the card. :-(

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Oh.

Really? That feud didn't really go anywhere. Throwaway addition basically. What was Storm doing at that time? Is his feud with Kurt just longer than Roode's with Hardy's or what?

Make him feud with Kazarian for all it matters or you could just toss Storm there but I kinda like that route going where it's ambiguous exactly where Storm's alignment lies. Or if you needed a PPV match out of it you can slot RVD in there.

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tosh.0 starring DolphZiggler

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edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously?

Roode vs Styles got 2 months and I don't even remember it what the hell.

This if anything says what's wrong with TNA. <_<

Anyway let's go with:

Turning Point was:
Roode vs. Styles-- this is when he cheats you let it simmer a bit this time.
Hardy vs. Jarrett

Final Resolution was:
Roode vs. Storm vs. Kazarian triple threat where it's ambiguous where Storm's loyalties lie
Hardy vs. Jarrett
Styles vs. Angle

Genesis was:
Roode vs. Hardy
AJ vs. Angle
Storm vs. Kazarian

Course now I've changed the straight plug in strategy but what can you do.

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At least they're no longer really hotshotting the belts anymore.

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Yeah, we're almost to February and not a single TNA title has changed hands in 2012.

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Amazing.

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Maybe they can make it to 2013!

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Russo now going to do all his booking using Sammartino length reigns.

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introduce a 24/7 title

have it never change hands for over a year

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To Fully Loaded 2000!

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From: ScareChan | #307
And HE is interrupted by

Not even sure what the reaction would be. Maybe people's heads would explode.

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From: X_Dante_X | #315
Maybe they can make it to 2013!

That would be bad, since Gail Kim still sucks ( I have no idea why all the smarks complained about her in the WWE, she sucked even when she did wrestle, ****ing botch machine). Flat out, this is NOT the middle of last decade anymore, and Gail Kim is not fighting Kong. GET THE **** OFF MY SCREEN *****. And lose the title like, yesterday.

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MWC is god-tier

Observer's free today.

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Wait what, NJPW got sold.

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Raw's overall rating last night was the best since the post-WM27 Raw.

Hopefully they liked what they saw!

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From: JaKyL25 | #323
Raw's overall rating last night was the best since the post-WM27 Raw.

Hopefully they liked what they saw!

Oh hey, cool.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #319
Not even sure what the reaction would be. Maybe people's heads would explode.

I think it would depend on location. Like Philly would go ape ****, Georgia would boo like crazy, LA would be confused I think, and I think Canada would be split between cheers and uncomfortableness but I doubt he gets booed.

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From: JaKyL25 | #323
Raw's overall rating last night was the best since the post-WM27 Raw.

Hopefully they liked what they saw!

Thank goodness Trips was on the show! Must have been terrible ratings for the champ vs champ match

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Circle gets the Scare!
Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with

From: voltch | #322
Wait what, NJPW got sold.

It was in pretty dire straits.

From: JaKyL25 | #323
Raw's overall rating last night was the best since the post-WM27 Raw.

Hopefully they liked what they saw!

Triple H will take this as confirmation that he should be on TV every week.

Bye bye, Johnny Ace!

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Not according to Meltzer, they were doing solid business this year.

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Rad Link 5 posted...
It was in pretty dire straits.

It was in worse shape when Yukes first bought it. Hell, All Japan is in worse shape.

Wait, I confused NJPW with AJPW. AJPW was in pretty dire straits.

I hadn't heard anything about NJPW. Weird.

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This move really did catch people off guard because NJPW was doing well for itself as of late.

But the new guys are apparently big fans of wrestling.

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So, as promised, here's my rumble writeup. If you're an American, your tax dollars paid for this!

So, I wanna get a little more specific on exactly how WWE is ruining the royal rumble. Personally, I think it comes down to just plain lazy booking. They’ve fallen into the trap of believing that rumble win = automatic boost, regardless of what they actually do to the winner at WM. This is NOT the case and is about to seriously damage the credibility of the RR if they keep it up. The rumble in and of itself has never really been that big of a deal. It’s a big deal because of what it leads to, which is a WM main event. And when I say main event, I don’t mean “opening match on the card where the rumble winner loses.” Prior to the last three years, the majority of rumble winners clearly fell into one of two categories, with the rest being some combination of the two.

1. The Breakthrough – Shawn Michaels in 96, Austin in 98, Benoit in 04, Batista in 05, Rey in 06. Basically, someone who has spent most of their career in the upper-midcard. They may have challenged for the title before, but they’ve never really been viewed as a credible threat to win the title and keep it for more than a month. The rumble win announces their intention to join the elites at the top of the card, the WM win cements that they actually have. This is the PROPER way to transform an upper-midcarder into a main eventer and have the crowd actually believe it (unlike with MITB, which is always so shady and never clean, so nobody does).
2. The “re-affirmation” – Austin in 01, HHH in 02, Taker in 07, Cena in 08. Someone who has previously been a dominant main-event level force, but for whatever reason (injury, or just making room for new stars, etc.), not quite so much lately. The rumble win announces their intention to essentially “reclaim their place” at the top, the WM win cements that they have actually done so.

Now, let’s look at the last three years. Let’s start with Edge. As someone who has previously been a credible main-eventer, and along with Randy Orton, someone who stands as the only legitimate threat to John Cena being perma-champ, this is setting up to be a re-affirmation. He returns from injury to eliminate the guy who insulted him while he was gone, transitioning into what should be a great feud. Looking good so far, but oh wait, it turns out the guy he is feuding with is on the B-Show, so now he gets to OPEN Wrestlemania in the third most important match. He goes on to keep feuding with Jericho for a bit, then returns to pretty much the exact same spot he was at when he left.

Then you have ADR. Never had much in terms of a legit title push before, so this one is looking like a breakthrough. It’s his destiny, and he legitimately wins. Looking good so far, but oh wait, he’s also opening the show against the b-show champ and is stuck in the third most important match. To make matters worse, he LOSES and goes on to feud with Christian. He would have to wait six months for his REAL breakthrough with MITB (which almost always fails at producing legit main eventers, as was already discussed).

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This year, you have Sheamus. He’s a multi-time champ who has looked credible against the big boys (he DID beat Cena for his first title win after all), but he’s never really been booked in a truly dominant, “I’m going to be in the main event for more than a few months” sort of way. Depending on who wins the SD chamber, he could be resuming a feud against a newly dominant Mark Henry, entering a face/face feud against always-dominant Randy Orton, or attempting to finally put a stop to the scheming Daniel Bryan. Looking good so far, but oh wait, he’s also going to end up opening the show in the third (at best) most important match. Obviously it hasn’t happened yet, so I don’t know, but I would be shocked if Sheamus leaves WM in a significantly different position than he entered the RR.

So, what could they have done instead? Well, this year there were a few candidates for “breakthrough,” Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, Wade Barrett, R-Truth, maybe even The Miz. Of course, for it to properly work, they’d have to challenge the Raw champion at WM and win and keep the title for a bit which is probably fairly unlikely. Re-affirmation candidates include Orton, Cena, and HHH, but none of those would really work in the current environment (Orton isn’t that far removed, Cena is unavailable, and HHH is *too* far removed). Jericho as a re-affirmation candidate WOULD have worked fairly well, assuming he goes on to feud with, challenge, and beat CM Punk at WM.

And that is the essence of the problem here. A rumble win used to transform people. An upper-midcarder BECAME a main-eventer in such a way as for the crowd to unquestionably buy it. Or, a previous main-eventer used it as a clear statement that he intends to reclaim the throne (and usually does). Lately, we haven’t seen any of that. WWE desperately needs to return to one of those formats or it risks one of its most successful PPVs ever turning into just another stupid gimmick that doesn’t really mean anything at all.

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From: voltch | #331
This move really did catch people off guard because NJPW was doing well for itself as of late.

But the new guys are apparently big fans of wrestling.

new japan have done well over the last two years getting their finances in order. they've cut costs anywhere they could, and somehow are putting on a better show than they were, say, when yukes bought the company. i think attendance has gone up the last two years, too, despite booking smaller venues. this sale might have more to do with yukes' finances than it does new japan. THQ is very close to losing a lot of licences, including both wwe and ufc. if that happens, yukes loses a very valuable source of annual income, because yukes makes games for those companies.

not really sure who the new owners are. sounds like they leveraged some of their assets to make the purchase, but it also sounds like they're really excited about getting involved in japanese wrestling. interesting times!


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From: SmartMuffin | #333
Now, let’s look at the last three years. Let’s start with Edge. As someone who has previously been a credible main-eventer, and along with Randy Orton, someone who stands as the only legitimate threat to John Cena being perma-champ, this is setting up to be a re-affirmation. He returns from injury to eliminate the guy who insulted him while he was gone, transitioning into what should be a great feud. Looking good so far, but oh wait, it turns out the guy he is feuding with is on the B-Show, so now he gets to OPEN Wrestlemania in the third most important match. He goes on to keep feuding with Jericho for a bit, then returns to pretty much the exact same spot he was at when he left.

Edge vs. Jericho didn't open Wrestlemania. It was 7th out of 10 matches.

Still arguably the 4th-biggest match though, depending on your view of Bret vs. Vince.

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SD jumped the shark
All I'm saying.

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SD lmao

Oh lord, really now.

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This has got to be some sort of joke, right?

Just wanted to say I agree with everything SmartMuffin said in that post.

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Part of the problem is Wrestlemania itself, not the Rumble.

ADR vs. Edge wouldn't BE curtain-jerking Wrestlemania if it wasn't for two guys who wrestled a combined 5 times last year taking up a spot higher on the card than them. Sheamus vs. WHC wouldn't BE the 4th-biggest match at WM if it wasn't for a bunch of guys who don't wrestle every week coming back on that one particular day.

WWE uses nostalgia acts/part-time acts as a crutch to sell WM, the one golden goose buyrate they consistently still get. It literally does 5x more buys than any other PPV, at $10 higher cost.

They've positioned the Streak as being more important than any title, and they've also positioned Rock descending from the heavens and being so generous as to grace the unwashed masses with a match as more important than any title. Those two things alone undercut the Rumble winner more than anything. Sure, if Jericho won the Rumble, the Rumble Winner match would be the 3rd biggest match instead of the 4th biggest, but lah dee dah big whoop. The same problem still exists.

Next year they're gonna have the exact same problem when Austin comes back for his "one more match" he's been saying he has left. If that happens, AND if Taker is still around going for 21-0, AND if Rock vs. Cena turns into the WM/Summerslam/WM trilogy that some dirt sheets have hinted at, whoever wins the Rumble next year is even more buried.

So the problem lies not with the booking of the Rumble winner itself, but rather with a deeper issue, mainly WWE's dependence on nostalgia, and their insistence that these guys who only show up to wrestle once a year are more important than the guys who have to carry the other 11 PPVs and 300 house shows.

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Part of the problem is Wrestlemania itself, not the Rumble.

Right, this is my larger point. Who wins the rumble isn't really the big issue, the issue is what they go on to DO with that shot. The rumble is only the significant achievement it is because for those of us who have been watching for awhile, winning the rumble equates to "this person is about to win the main event at wrestlemania"

Take away that part, and it's just another win in a gimmicky luck-based match.

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Sure, if Jericho won the Rumble, the Rumble Winner match would be the 3rd biggest match instead of the 4th biggest, but lah dee dah big whoop. The same problem still exists.

See, I'm still not entirely sure about this. Even given all the other crap, Taker, Rock, etc. WWE still seems to do a good job of treating its RAW title with a bit of respect. I feel like Punk/Jericho would go second to last at worst, and would be built as an epic feud. Furthermore, you'd have to assume that if Jericho won (which he should) it would lead to a return to a dominant main-event position for him. I'd settle for that, even if the show ends playing Rock's music instead.

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Right. There's somewhat of a disconnect to see 30 guys fighting for a title shot one night, for one of them to win said title shot, and then on Raw the next night have the GM give the guy he eliminated a title shot first.

Just making the Rumble win into a midcard title shot at WM isn't a whole lot better than getting a title shot at any other PPV. If it really was the MAIN EVENT of Wrestlemania, that's different. We remember the closing moments of WM, etched in time far longer than most other moments.

Now, the "pick your title" aspect is still a big part of it, and really that has become the main draw of winning the Rumble these days (even though only TWO PEOPLE have ever crossed brands because of it, at least it opens some new doors).

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Yeah if they would let the Rumble winner's match be the WM Main Event guaranteed every year there wouldn't be much problem, really.

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From: SmartMuffin | #347
See, I'm still not entirely sure about this. Even given all the other crap, Taker, Rock, etc. WWE still seems to do a good job of treating its RAW title with a bit of respect. I feel like Punk/Jericho would go second to last at worst, and would be built as an epic feud. Furthermore, you'd have to assume that if Jericho won (which he should) it would lead to a return to a dominant main-event position for him. I'd settle for that, even if the show ends playing Rock's music instead.

Oddly enough, the last time a Raw guy won the Rumble AND went for the Raw title, it ended up being a midcard match (Cena vs. Orton vs. Trips) with the SD Title (Edge vs. Undertaker) main-eventing.

It's like WWE is determined to keep the Rumble winner in the midcard even if it's Cena on Raw.

Granted, Orton DID get the main event spot with Triple H when he won the Rumble a year later. And it bombed.

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