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JaKyL25
01/31/12 10:15:00 PM
#401:


Although yes, Ziggler did in fact pin Orton last year off of just distraction.

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ExThaNemesis
01/31/12 10:16:00 PM
#402:


Well see Wade is getting help here because he actually went over for a good part of the feud.

AND THEN HE GOT ELIMINATED IN TEN SECONDS BY ORTON IN THE FRIGGIN RUMBLE

augh my four months off made everything seem good until I started thinking about it

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edwardsdv
01/31/12 10:16:00 PM
#403:


Zigglers main event feud last year was with Edge in which he didnt win a single match.

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ExThaNemesis
01/31/12 10:16:00 PM
#404:


From: 14_and_counting | #400
I like to think Ziggler is in a perpetual feud with the entire roster because of how amazing he is and others hate him for it.


Been listening to Here to Show the World all night and I can agree with this.

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TheRock1525
01/31/12 10:17:00 PM
#405:


And Big Show's dumbass shows up and eliminates Miz and Cody like it's nothing.

Even though both should have been in the Final Four (along with Sheamus and Jericho).

WWE, PLEASE stop pushing Big Slow.

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JaKyL25
01/31/12 10:17:00 PM
#406:


Honestly it's kinda gotten so bad that even Cena is losing some main-event steam.

I mean, he was Super Cena all the way through June, but then look at what's happened since then:

Loses feud with Punk
Loses feud with Del Rio
Gets Rock Bottomed by Rock after they win their tag match
Gets LEFT OFF OF A PPV
Questions as to whether or not he can beat Kane

Not the strongest stretch for Cena.

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14_and_counting
01/31/12 10:17:00 PM
#407:


From: ExThaNemesis | #404
Been listening to Here to Show the World all night and I can agree with this.




Literally been doing the exact same thing. I don't know how we should feel about this....

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WarThaNemesis2
01/31/12 10:18:00 PM
#408:


Rock your proposed match is pretty much a Russofied version of a Championship Scramble.

Yes, a match that makes less sense than a Championship "Brian Kendrick is the WWE Champion" Scramble.

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TheRock1525
01/31/12 10:19:00 PM
#409:


JaKyL25 posted...
Honestly it's kinda gotten so bad that even Cena is losing some main-event steam.

I mean, he was Super Cena all the way through June, but then look at what's happened since then:

Loses feud with Punk
Loses feud with Del Rio
Gets Rock Bottomed by Rock after they win their tag match
Gets LEFT OFF OF A PPV
Questions as to whether or not he can beat Kane

Not the strongest stretch for Cena.


Cena is the one person on the roster that can afford this, though.

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edwardsdv
01/31/12 10:19:00 PM
#410:


Wade Barrett is a strange character in that he showed up in the Main event and was almost instantly credible.

Then he middled about and got beat by all sorts of random midcarders after being seen as a legit threat to Orton, Edge, Cena, and Jericho.

Now hes on his way back and short of a really strong clean win over Orton at mania I'm not sure how he moves forward.

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TheRock1525
01/31/12 10:19:00 PM
#411:


WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Rock your proposed match is pretty much a Russofied version of a Championship Scramble.

Yes, a match that makes less sense than a Championship "Brian Kendrick is the WWE Champion" Scramble.


You're just mad cause I thought of it first.

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ExThaNemesis
01/31/12 10:20:00 PM
#412:


From: 14_and_counting | #407
Literally been doing the exact same thing. I don't know how we should feel about this....


You should probably feel honored.

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ExThaNemesis
01/31/12 10:20:00 PM
#413:


From: TheRock1525 | #411
You're just mad cause I thought of it first.


truth fact city

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WarThaNemesis2
01/31/12 10:20:00 PM
#414:


TheRock1525 posted...
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Rock your proposed match is pretty much a Russofied version of a Championship Scramble.

Yes, a match that makes less sense than a Championship "Brian Kendrick is the WWE Champion" Scramble.

You're just mad cause I thought of it first.


Having just finished with Russo's first run as WCW Booker, no, I know full-well when I'm seeing something that is terrible.

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GTM
01/31/12 10:22:00 PM
#415:


reading this topic, I feel like we need a dominating stable that doesn't break up in 3 months

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edwardsdv
01/31/12 10:22:00 PM
#416:


From: 14_and_counting | #407
Literally been doing the exact same thing. I don't know how we should feel about this....


So have I.... but then i THOUGHT I was our resident Ziggler fanboy.

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14_and_counting
01/31/12 10:24:00 PM
#417:


From: GTM | #415
reading this topic, I feel like we need a dominating stable that doesn't break up in 3 months




**** John Cena, that is all. Can you imagine how bad that piece of **** would have *****ed up the Evolution Push?

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14_and_counting
01/31/12 10:24:00 PM
#418:


Also, Here to Show the World is really growing on me. I never thought I'd be ok with Perfection going away, but I really seem to like Here to Show the World more than originally.

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WarThaNemesis2
01/31/12 10:25:00 PM
#419:


To be fair Triple H actually losing a feud at that time would have been fresh.

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JaKyL25
01/31/12 10:25:00 PM
#420:


Predict it now: What are the top matches at Extreme Rules at the end of April.

Punk (c) vs. Jericho vs. Cena?

Sheamus (c) vs. ???

I mean, after all the negatives we've been harping on, I feel like being positive, and saying that if they do things right, they've set themselves up for a strong summer.

"If WWE does things right" is always a big if though.

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edwardsdv
01/31/12 10:25:00 PM
#421:


Dude, Goldberg vs. TripleH and Evolution was awesome I can just imagine how great it would've been with Cena instead of a no-talent goober like Bill Goldberg.

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GTM
01/31/12 10:27:00 PM
#422:


From: JaKyL25 | #420
What are the top matches at Extreme Rules at the end of April.


Wrestlemania rematches with Cena added somewhere like you suggested

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TheRock1525
01/31/12 10:28:00 PM
#423:


Well they have plans for Jericho through Summerslam.

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edwardsdv
01/31/12 10:28:00 PM
#424:


From: JaKyL25 | #420
Predict it now: What are the top matches at Extreme Rules at the end of April.

Punk (c) vs. Jericho vs. Cena?

Sheamus (c) vs. ???

I mean, after all the negatives we've been harping on, I feel like being positive, and saying that if they do things right, they've set themselves up for a strong summer.

"If WWE does things right" is always a big if though.


Punk vs. Jericho

Cena vs. MitB winner Dolph Ziggler

Sheamus vs. tweener Orton vs. Wade Barrett

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JaKyL25
01/31/12 10:29:00 PM
#425:


I really am hoping that Sheamus comes out on top at WM, no matter the opponent.

There are just so many good heels out there for him to Brogue Kick on the road to Summerslam.

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GTM
01/31/12 10:29:00 PM
#426:


heh Just noticed how fitting it would be if they kept Armageddon for december

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JaKyL25
01/31/12 10:31:00 PM
#427:


From: GTM | #426
heh Just noticed how fitting it would be if they kept Armageddon for december


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Still my personal favorite PPV poster ever, with all due respect to No Mercy '07.

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edwardsdv
01/31/12 10:32:00 PM
#428:


Yeah the SD heel hitlist is pretty amazing- Cody Rhodes, Wade Barrett, Mark Henry just for starters!

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JaKyL25
01/31/12 10:33:00 PM
#429:


From: edwardsdv | #428
Yeah the SD heel hitlist is pretty amazing- Cody Rhodes, Wade Barrett, Mark Henry just for starters!


Don't forget CHRISTIAN.

He deserves ONE. MORE. MATCH.

And the Draft (lol) could totally bring over ADR, or Miz, or Dolph, or OH MY GOD I WANT TO SEE DOLPH SELL FOR SHEAMUS

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TheRock1525
01/31/12 10:34:00 PM
#430:


Cody should win MitB. Seems like he could use a good ME push while dropping the IC title to someone along the way.

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TheRock1525
01/31/12 10:34:00 PM
#431:


Also, are we to assume that Ryder will be out until after the EC, at which point he makes a triumphant return to take on Kane at WM?

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JaKyL25
01/31/12 10:35:00 PM
#432:


From: TheRock1525 | #430
Cody should win MitB. Seems like he could use a good ME push while dropping the IC title to someone along the way.


Disagree there. They've put so much effort into building Cody the right way. No shortcuts. Just main-event peeks here and there until after Summerslam. Then in fall he can go nuts and his floor will be so much higher than all these other one-and-done heels.

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14_and_counting
01/31/12 10:35:00 PM
#433:


From: JaKyL25 | #429
Don't forget CHRISTIAN.

He deserves ONE. MORE. MATCH.

And the Draft (lol) could totally bring over ADR, or Miz, or Dolph, or OH MY GOD I WANT TO SEE DOLPH SELL FOR SHEAMUS




Christian is going to be Face when he comes back I'd say.

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edwardsdv
01/31/12 10:35:00 PM
#434:


From: ExThaNemesis | #393
You don't need Mania rubs to get people over. You need PPV victories against guys like Orton and Cena. Did Dolph go over Orton on PPV at all during their feud?

ADR's problem was WAY TOO FAST anyway.

Their problem is that they don't give anyone the slowpush anymore.

Year One: Solid Undercard matches, displaying talent, getting decently over.
Year Two: Mid-card and tag team titles, having good solid feuds with good endings
Year Three: This is where you can have your Royal Rumble victory.

What they've been doing

Year One: Show impressive talent initially, be given MITB or Royal Rumble win and then realize how lacking in overness you are.


This is why the three people I honestly feel embody the future are Rhodes, Ziggler, and Miz.

Theyre the only people on the roster who were really built like this over a period of a few years and why I started to really believe in the Miz during the Rumble.

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JaKyL25
01/31/12 10:37:00 PM
#435:


From: edwardsdv | #434
Theyre the only people on the roster who were really built like this over a period of a few years and why I started to really believe in the Miz during the Rumble.


Well, aside from Cena and Orton.

And hey would you look at that, those are the two most over guys on the roster. What a co-incidence!

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edwardsdv
01/31/12 10:37:00 PM
#436:


It really feels like MitB could go to Zigglerthis year, if not I wouldnt be opposed to Miz winning it again.

The briefcase agrees with him.

Or Mark henry or someone already established winning for a change could be interesting.

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TheRock1525
01/31/12 10:38:00 PM
#437:


JaKyL25 posted...
From: TheRock1525 | #430
Cody should win MitB. Seems like he could use a good ME push while dropping the IC title to someone along the way.
Disagree there. They've put so much effort into building Cody the right way. No shortcuts. Just main-event peeks here and there until after Summerslam. Then in fall he can go nuts and his floor will be so much higher than all these other one-and-done heels.


Ok, then who? I have no idea who else could use the MitB push other than maybe Barrett.

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JaKyL25
01/31/12 10:39:00 PM
#438:


From: TheRock1525 | #437
Ok, then who? I have no idea who else could use the MitB push other than maybe Barrett.


If he's healthy enough, Christian maybe?

It's the physical embodiment of ONE. MORE. MATCH.

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edwardsdv
01/31/12 10:41:00 PM
#439:


Oh yeah Christian is a good one.

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JaKyL25
01/31/12 10:41:00 PM
#440:


Although sure, Cody can win it if he keeps it an Edge-like amount of time.

He's so cold and calculating that I think it fits him to not be in such a hasty hurry to cash in ASAP.

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Wanglicious
01/31/12 10:42:00 PM
#441:


man, wwe is not thin at the top. they just half half a dozen guys from that level out on injury right now, which sucks for them. missing rey, christian, soon henry, del rio = painful. add in the firing of morrison and occasional wellness moments (sup truth) and you've got a really bad picture. hell, we only recently got kane back. they do protect their main guys too much, but this is one field where the brand split is ABSOLUTELY necessary - if you can't get over 1 show you can move to the next. if it weren't for the split dragon would still be part of APPLE. a change to smackdown did him well, even with the sin cara mess he was involved in, and he holds a major belt. ziggler needed a change of pace after edge buried him, he was a victim of bad timing there. if he goes over to SD now though? he'd instantly be in the ME scene. and nobody would complain or bat an eye. the brand split's greatest asset is the ability to jump ship. that can both hurt and help someone (drew friggin' died), but overall it's a net positive.

the two midcard belts are also a good thing considering how full that is, but really the issue here is wwe needs a low card belt. the cruiserweight title needs to come back, something that the guys from Superstars can strive for and work as a mark of 'hey this is a credible midcard', with defenses on smackdown or raw to show that these guys exist, matter, and are great.


still, the worst thing to do would be to end the brand split and then all those guys come back. now you've got an extremely crowded ME scene. unless this is brand split but keep your belts. that one works fairly well, an unofficial brand split.

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Panthera
01/31/12 10:42:00 PM
#442:


Barrett seems to fit the MiTB concept pretty well, it fits his character to want to take the quick way to the top, or you can have him actually announce it in advance on the theory that having a pre-planned PPV main event will get him paid more than an impromptu cash-in. Not that we're at all likely to see them ever have a heel use MiTB for anything other than a random cheap shot, but I can dream!

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TheRock1525
01/31/12 10:43:00 PM
#443:


Wait, I'm assuming here that there will be a MitB at WM. There wasn't one last year, was there?

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ExThaNemesis
01/31/12 10:44:00 PM
#444:


I have to say for someone who has hated Cody Rhodes for pretty much his entire bland as f*** career, I was really impressed during the rumble.

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JaKyL25
01/31/12 10:45:00 PM
#445:


From: Wanglicious | #441
man, wwe is not thin at the top. they just half half a dozen guys from that level out on injury right now, which sucks for them. missing rey, christian, soon henry, del rio = painful.


And my argument is that all of those guys are main-eventers in name only, because someone HAS TO main-event by default. They don't have main-event credibility, and are only there because they have the MOST cred of the non-Cena/Orton people.

And IMO that's a huge problem today when engaging the audience, especially casual viewers. If they're not buying into your main-eventers, they don't stick around.

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edwardsdv
01/31/12 10:45:00 PM
#446:


yeah you missed four months and suddenly Cod yRhodes is hot.

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ExThaNemesis
01/31/12 10:46:00 PM
#447:


Cody had most eliminations at the Rumble I'm pretty sure.

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Wanglicious
01/31/12 10:47:00 PM
#448:


mitb eh.... is it only one briefcase? i really liked the way they handled it this year. they finally got the hang of it. del rio really didn't need it but it helped push him in the ME. was it necessary? no. he was a royal rumble winner, won no. 1 contenderships, it was absolutely unnecessary on those regards. but it was a nice perk for him. similar to kane's on that regard (though in kane's case, it helped much needed credibility to be regained, which really does not take long with that man).

dragon's the real shining case right now of it. two i'd like, but if we only have one... i'd consider Christian, Wade, Ziggler, and Cody. all heels.



also henry is a face now. no gimmick change though, which is good. he turned face because he is that goddamn awesome. aka, the right way, the crowd turned him.

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SythaWarrior
01/31/12 10:47:00 PM
#449:


Cody wont be in the Mania MitB match. He'll be defending the IC title at Mania. He has said many times this year he intends to defend it at mania in interviews. It would be a shame for him to be in the MitB match.

Truth/Gabriel/Slater/Barrett/Show/Kofi/Brodus/Drew or something like that for MitB altho not as obvious for the obvious Barrett win.

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01/31/12 10:48:00 PM
#450:


From: SythaWarrior | #449
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