Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 157: Dynamic Dudes Appreciation Station

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TheMasonRyan 12/18/11 11:32:00 PM #401:	Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! -- "To me, Mason Ryan is the total package, the greatest of all time." - Chris Jericho on Mason Ryan <cite>TheMasonRyan posted [p:562122] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! -- "To me, Mason Ryan is the total package, the greatest of all time." - Chris Jericho on Mason Ryan </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vcharon 12/18/11 11:34:00 PM #402:	The answer is still Drew. -- :> <cite>vcharon posted [p:562123] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> The answer is still Drew. -- :> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 12/18/11 11:35:00 PM #403:	i'd love to see either tyson or yoshi get a little more love -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:562124] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> i'd love to see either tyson or yoshi get a little more love -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazinehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 12/18/11 11:35:00 PM #404:	Clearly the answer is Tyler Reks. I mean, have you seen Midcard Mafia? It's funny, I actually liked him more before Midcard Mafia. Now I kind of hate him. Hey remember when Zack Ryder getting future endeavor'd seemed a distinct possibility? -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9526/prosecutorshominamimoto.png <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:562125] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Clearly the answer is Tyler Reks. I mean, have you seen Midcard Mafia?It's funny, I actually liked him more before Midcard Mafia. Now I kind of hate him.Hey remember when Zack Ryder getting future endeavor'd seemed a distinct possibility? -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9526/prosecutorshominamimoto.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/18/11 11:36:00 PM #405:	*XIII_rocks posted...* I loved the TLC but then I'm biased towards weapon matches. It did so some cool stuff though. The "Punk overcoming the odds" thing with the handcuffs, Miz trolling him, Ricardo, Del Rio looking like a total boss with the chairarmbreaker and the laddarmbreaker (yes I am now using those words). Nice finish as well. I for one, didnt enjoy this that much. But I hate weapon matches, I just find them so boring and dont find the weapons add too much. The ME was the only really good match on the card. I was disappointed in Orton/Barrett and Ryder/Ziggler was a snoozefest sadly due to Ryder's limited moveset and how many times theyve fought. See, I think the ONE problem with this, is that with the way Punk dominated that match, theres no way they can sell another match between Punk and either of these two. So uhhh, who does he fight at Rumble? -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:562126] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> XIII_rocks posted...I loved the TLC but then I'm biased towards weapon matches. It did so some cool stuff though. The "Punk overcoming the odds" thing with the handcuffs, Miz trolling him, Ricardo, Del Rio looking like a total boss with the chairarmbreaker and the laddarmbreaker (yes I am now using those words). Nice finish as well.I for one, didnt enjoy this that much. But I hate weapon matches, I just find them so boring and dont find the weapons add too much. The ME was the only really good match on the card. I was disappointed in Orton/Barrett and Ryder/Ziggler was a snoozefest sadly due to Ryder's limited moveset and how many times theyve fought.See, I think the ONE problem with this, is that with the way Punk dominated that match, theres no way they can sell another match between Punk and either of these two.So uhhh, who does he fight at Rumble? -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 12/18/11 11:37:00 PM #406:	ziggler -- bad advice http://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:562127] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> ziggler -- bad advicehttp://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 12/18/11 11:38:00 PM #407:	Cena since he technically won a shot at the title and didn't get it. Even though he gave up the rights he still earned a match and no one else really has. Trips could put a claim in for winning his match in kayfabe but you arent going to burn Trips and Punk at the rumble -- Circle gets the Scare! Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with <cite>ScareChan posted [p:562128] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Cena since he technically won a shot at the title and didn't get it. Even though he gave up the rights he still earned a match and no one else really has.Trips could put a claim in for winning his match in kayfabe but you arent going to burn Trips and Punk at the rumble -- Circle gets the Scare!Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/18/11 11:39:00 PM #408:	I'd agree ordinarily, but Cena Punk at Rumble? -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:562129] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> I'd agree ordinarily, but Cena Punk at Rumble? -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/18/11 11:42:00 PM #409:	*Rad Link 5 posted...* Clearly the answer is Tyler Reks. I mean, have you seen Midcard Mafia? It's funny, I actually liked him more before Midcard Mafia. Now I kind of hate him. Hey remember when Zack Ryder getting future endeavor'd seemed a distinct possibility? This is my like exact trajectory with Ryder. I thought he was okay, but his show REALLY turned me against him. That and his interview with Colt. Really come to think of it, his interview on AoW was basically the end of it. He came across as just a total moron who lucked into his spot and since then I have felt he doesnt deserve the big break he got. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:562130] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Rad Link 5 posted...Clearly the answer is Tyler Reks. I mean, have you seen Midcard Mafia?It's funny, I actually liked him more before Midcard Mafia. Now I kind of hate him.Hey remember when Zack Ryder getting future endeavor'd seemed a distinct possibility?This is my like exact trajectory with Ryder.I thought he was okay, but his show REALLY turned me against him. That and his interview with Colt. Really come to think of it, his interview on AoW was basically the end of it.He came across as just a total moron who lucked into his spot and since then I have felt he doesnt deserve the big break he got. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/18/11 11:42:00 PM #410:	[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:562131] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/18/11 11:42:00 PM #411:	Tyson Kidd doesn't have charisma for me to endorse him. He's a good wrestler, but not nearly good enough to make up for that. Here are the guys on the roster I think deserve better. 1. Drew McIntyre 2. Goldust (assuming he isn't DQed for the same reason Regal is) 3. Jack Swagger (relevant, but still like a low midcarder-- considering he was a world champion at one point he deserves better) 4. JTG 5. Yoshi Tatsu 6. Natalya (deserves better than "speedbump for every challenger to Beth's title") 7. Jinder Mahal (not saying he should be a main eventer or anything but has he ever won a match?) -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:562132] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Tyson Kidd doesn't have charisma for me to endorse him. He's a good wrestler, but not nearly good enough to make up for that. Here are the guys on the roster I think deserve better. 1. Drew McIntyre2. Goldust (assuming he isn't DQed for the same reason Regal is)3. Jack Swagger (relevant, but still like a low midcarder-- considering he was a world champion at one point he deserves better)4. JTG5. Yoshi Tatsu6. Natalya (deserves better than "speedbump for every challenger to Beth's title")7. Jinder Mahal (not saying he should be a main eventer or anything but has he ever won a match?) -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/18/11 11:46:00 PM #412:	Also JTG is my pick. Oodles of potential and he is THE reason I still tune in to NXT. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:562133] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Also JTG is my pick.Oodles of potential and he is THE reason I still tune in to NXT. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vcharon 12/18/11 11:47:00 PM #413:	Mahal had a massive win streak before he turned into a jobber, Lopen. -- :> <cite>vcharon posted [p:562134] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Mahal had a massive win streak before he turned into a jobber, Lopen. -- :> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 12/18/11 11:47:00 PM #414:	From: edwardsdv \| #408 I'd agree ordinarily, but Cena Punk at Rumble? It makes sense in this scenario, Yes. Especially if you are expecting Ziggler as his next opponent as he should be winning the rumble to do it. He cant fight for the title if hes winning the rumble! well... shouldnt anyways. Cena fits since beyond having earned a shot him and Punk have unfinished business, even though really Punk has been siding the feud. Cena facing the champion one on one to start off The Road to The Rock looks strong even if he doesn't get the win. I probably end the match with another Kane run in setting up Cena, Punk, Kane, Del Rio, Miz, Rey for the chamber. -- Circle gets the Scare! Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with <cite>ScareChan posted [p:562135] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: edwardsdv \| #408I'd agree ordinarily, but Cena Punk at Rumble?It makes sense in this scenario, Yes. Especially if you are expecting Ziggler as his next opponent as he should be winning the rumble to do it. He cant fight for the title if hes winning the rumble! well... shouldnt anyways. Cena fits since beyond having earned a shot him and Punk have unfinished business, even though really Punk has been siding the feud. Cena facing the champion one on one to start off The Road to The Rock looks strong even if he doesn't get the win. I probably end the match with another Kane run in setting up Cena, Punk, Kane, Del Rio, Miz, Rey for the chamber. -- Circle gets the Scare!Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 12/18/11 11:48:00 PM #415:	Hey, Del Rio got plenty of offense and looked pretty vicious throughout. And Miz was able to get into a position where he'd have won the match easily if he wasn't so cocky. I don't think any one came out of that match looking bad. But Punk just plain shouldn't fight Del Rio again because they've been at it so much now, and I have my doubts that Punk and Miz would work. Cena's a distinct possibility just because he did want to have the title going into Wrestlemania. Plus it would be so delicious to see everyone rage if he actually won, that I'd completely forget how much I hated it myself. Ziggler seems like the top candidate. He didn't lose the US title to not be moved into the main event scene full-time, he's a heel I don't think Punk has feuded with yet, could probably put on great promos and matches with, and Ziggler even basically conceded his rivalry with Ryder on twitter, so I'm fairly sure he's done with that whole program. Most likely, he wins #1 Contendership in a Raw or two, and they go from there. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i52.tinypic.com/bdmnbq.jpg <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:562136] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Hey, Del Rio got plenty of offense and looked pretty vicious throughout. And Miz was able to get into a position where he'd have won the match easily if he wasn't so cocky. I don't think any one came out of that match looking bad. But Punk just plain shouldn't fight Del Rio again because they've been at it so much now, and I have my doubts that Punk and Miz would work.Cena's a distinct possibility just because he did want to have the title going into Wrestlemania. Plus it would be so delicious to see everyone rage if he actually won, that I'd completely forget how much I hated it myself.Ziggler seems like the top candidate. He didn't lose the US title to not be moved into the main event scene full-time, he's a heel I don't think Punk has feuded with yet, could probably put on great promos and matches with, and Ziggler even basically conceded his rivalry with Ryder on twitter, so I'm fairly sure he's done with that whole program. Most likely, he wins #1 Contendership in a Raw or two, and they go from there. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i52.tinypic.com/bdmnbq.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 12/18/11 11:49:00 PM #416:	You can't have him go against Kane at the rumble because Kane needs to win whatever feud he is put into right now. Cena needs to look crazy strong right now heading towards Rock. If Kane and Taker doesnt happen at Mania Kane vs Sheamus would be pretty sick I think -- Circle gets the Scare! Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with <cite>ScareChan posted [p:562137] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> You can't have him go against Kane at the rumble because Kane needs to win whatever feud he is put into right now. Cena needs to look crazy strong right now heading towards Rock. If Kane and Taker doesnt happen at Mania Kane vs Sheamus would be pretty sick I think -- Circle gets the Scare!Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 12/18/11 11:50:00 PM #417:	Oh right, I forgot about Kane. It's a huge long shot, but I mean when you return by chokeslamming Cena, you're probably gonna do something important. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police Resident Straight Edge Superstar of Board 8 <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:562138] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Oh right, I forgot about Kane. It's a huge long shot, but I mean when you return by chokeslamming Cena, you're probably gonna do something important. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' PoliceResident Straight Edge Superstar of Board 8 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 12/18/11 11:51:00 PM #418:	There is also whoever debuts on the January 2nd episode of Raw and Brodus to think about too -- Circle gets the Scare! Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with <cite>ScareChan posted [p:562139] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> There is also whoever debuts on the January 2nd episode of Raw and Brodus to think about too -- Circle gets the Scare!Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dr_Football 12/18/11 11:52:00 PM #419:	Swagger of course Still want Cody-Dust at Wrestlemania Hell even have Dusty be the guest ref if we need a token old guy there -- http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4839/drfc.png Fire Todd Haley <cite>Dr_Football posted [p:562140] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Swagger of courseStill want Cody-Dust at WrestlemaniaHell even have Dusty be the guest ref if we need a token old guy there -- http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4839/drfc.pngFire Todd Haley </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 12/18/11 11:54:00 PM #420:	Actually if you just do a Miz, Del Rio, Punk triple threat to close Raw and have Laurinitis say that he will determine the new number 1 contender at the conclusion of the match and have Brodus run in at the end and destroy everyone makes a ton of sense. They keep hyping Brodus as having to have a special debut and debuting to challenege for the title fits big time with Laurinitis being anti punk and pro brodus. -- Circle gets the Scare! Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with <cite>ScareChan posted [p:562141] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Actually if you just do a Miz, Del Rio, Punk triple threat to close Raw and have Laurinitis say that he will determine the new number 1 contender at the conclusion of the match and have Brodus run in at the end and destroy everyone makes a ton of sense. They keep hyping Brodus as having to have a special debut and debuting to challenege for the title fits big time with Laurinitis being anti punk and pro brodus. -- Circle gets the Scare!Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/18/11 11:54:00 PM #421:	BOLD prediction- Brodus will win the US title by Rumble. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:562142] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> BOLD prediction-Brodus will win the US title by Rumble. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/18/11 11:55:00 PM #422:	From: vcharon \| #413 Mahal had a massive win streak before he turned into a jobber, Lopen. I don't remember it. I remember him managing Khali and Khali winning a lot! I suppose I should've said "single's win" though cause I do remember him and Khali winning a couple of tag matches. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:562143] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: vcharon \| #413Mahal had a massive win streak before he turned into a jobber, Lopen.I don't remember it. I remember him managing Khali and Khali winning a lot! I suppose I should've said "single's win" though cause I do remember him and Khali winning a couple of tag matches. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 12/18/11 11:56:00 PM #423:	From: Dr_Football \| #419 Swagger of course Still want Cody-Dust at Wrestlemania Hell even have Dusty be the guest ref if we need a token old guy there You put Swagger vs Punk at Elimination Chamber if Ziggler wins the rumble and declares after Punk right away. Then you can do 2 ECs, one for the WHC and one for the number one contender to it. You can make the title chamber all SD and have the number 1 contender be cross brand -- Circle gets the Scare! Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with <cite>ScareChan posted [p:562144] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: Dr_Football \| #419Swagger of courseStill want Cody-Dust at WrestlemaniaHell even have Dusty be the guest ref if we need a token old guy thereYou put Swagger vs Punk at Elimination Chamber if Ziggler wins the rumble and declares after Punk right away. Then you can do 2 ECs, one for the WHC and one for the number one contender to it. You can make the title chamber all SD and have the number 1 contender be cross brand -- Circle gets the Scare!Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vcharon 12/18/11 11:58:00 PM #424:	I don't really recall how many matches were tag matches (website doesn't say), but upon a tag loss a while back with Khali (pretty much the beginning of his end) he had a 26 match win streak. -- :> <cite>vcharon posted [p:562145] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> I don't really recall how many matches were tag matches (website doesn't say), but upon a tag loss a while back with Khali (pretty much the beginning of his end) he had a 26 match win streak. -- :> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 12/19/11 12:01:00 AM #427:	From: Rad Link 5 \| #425 BOLDer prediction - The "It Begins"/"Second day of January" promos are for Brodus Clay. NO SERIOUSLY GUYS! [quoted text] Oh crap, that's who Jinder is! I didn't recognize him because he looks so small next to Khali, and now he looks a pretty decent size. I laughed so hard at whoever said that on January 2nd we'd get Laurinitis saying "I know we had those mysterious promos for you Brodus but it will be even better if we wait til next week" because I could picture his voice saying it and having those promos for Brodus would be toooooo great -- Circle gets the Scare! Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with <cite>ScareChan posted [p:562148] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: Rad Link 5 \| #425BOLDer prediction - The "It Begins"/"Second day of January" promos are for Brodus Clay.NO SERIOUSLY GUYS![quoted text]Oh crap, that's who Jinder is! I didn't recognize him because he looks so small next to Khali, and now he looks a pretty decent size.I laughed so hard at whoever said that on January 2nd we'd get Laurinitis saying "I know we had those mysterious promos for you Brodus but it will be even better if we wait til next week" because I could picture his voice saying it and having those promos for Brodus would be toooooo great -- Circle gets the Scare!Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 12/19/11 12:04:00 AM #428:	Wait no, that wasn't Jinder Mahal. That was another guy who was legitimately small. I was gonna say jeez he looks completely different. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5783/3989110m.png <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:562149] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Wait no, that wasn't Jinder Mahal. That was another guy who was legitimately small.I was gonna say jeez he looks completely different. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5783/3989110m.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/19/11 12:07:00 AM #429:	Yeah you're thinking of Runjin Singh. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:562150] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Yeah you're thinking of Runjin Singh. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 12/19/11 5:26:00 AM #430:	From: edwardsdv \| Posted: 12/19/2011 1:42:42 AM \| #409 He came across as just a total moron who lucked into his spot While there are valid criticisms of Ryder, I don't feel this is one of them. Whether you like him and find him entertaining or not, there's not really any denying that he put in an assload of effort to get where he is. You can argue that his push is undeserved based on his talent, but I feel calling his push "luck" after months of campaigning and rallying and putting out shows and getting over independently of his booking is just kinda what. -- Join UCA, acquire popularity and you don't even have to job to BlAcK TuRtLe because he isn't in UCA <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:562151] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: edwardsdv \| Posted: 12/19/2011 1:42:42 AM \| #409He came across as just a total moron who lucked into his spotWhile there are valid criticisms of Ryder, I don't feel this is one of them. Whether you like him and find him entertaining or not, there's not really any denying that he put in an assload of effort to get where he is. You can argue that his push is undeserved based on his talent, but I feel calling his push "luck" after months of campaigning and rallying and putting out shows and getting over independently of his booking is just kinda what. -- Join UCA, acquire popularityand you don't even have to job to BlAcK TuRtLe because he isn't in UCA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 12/19/11 5:27:00 AM #431:	also I dunno about the rest of the IWC but I am going with Swagger -- Currently playing: TEW '10, Pokemon Black, Gemcraft Labyrinth, Sharin no kumi, BlAcK TuRtLe <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:562152] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> also I dunno about the rest of the IWC but I am going with Swagger -- Currently playing: TEW '10, Pokemon Black, Gemcraft Labyrinth, Sharin no kumi, BlAcK TuRtLe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/19/11 6:25:00 AM #432:	Yeah, I don't get how Zack Ryder is "lucky" in any way, shape, or form. You're free to not like him, but I don't see how you can deny that he singlehandedly saved his career though his own efforts to get himself over. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:562153] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, I don't get how Zack Ryder is "lucky" in any way, shape, or form. You're free to not like him, but I don't see how you can deny that he singlehandedly saved his career though his own efforts to get himself over. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloggmonkey 12/19/11 6:30:00 AM #433:	I like Ryder and all, but he's starting to feel overexposed. That entire RAW where Zack got his contendership for the US Title almost turned me against him. -- DNEA "I think Ciel is suddenly the greatest character ever." ~ sephsblade <cite>Kloggmonkey posted [p:562154] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> I like Ryder and all, but he's starting to feel overexposed. That entire RAW where Zack got his contendership for the US Title almost turned me against him. -- DNEA"I think Ciel is suddenly the greatest character ever." ~ sephsblade </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/19/11 6:32:00 AM #434:	Well the crowd is still absolutely rabid for him. Strike while the iron is hot. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:562155] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Well the crowd is still absolutely rabid for him. Strike while the iron is hot. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/19/11 6:32:00 AM #435:	From: Kloggmonkey \| #433 I like Ryder and all, but he's starting to feel overexposed. That entire RAW where Zack got his contendership for the US Title almost turned me against him. Not his fault. His storyline was headed in the traditional direction. He had pinned the reigning champion multiple times in non-title situations, which 99% of the time is the usual pathway towards getting a title match. Then for some completely idiotic reason, they went with a storyline direction where Cole and Laurinitis were convinced that he didn't "deserve" one and we got all this crap. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:562156] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: Kloggmonkey \| #433I like Ryder and all, but he's starting to feel overexposed. That entire RAW where Zack got his contendership for the US Title almost turned me against him.Not his fault. His storyline was headed in the traditional direction. He had pinned the reigning champion multiple times in non-title situations, which 99% of the time is the usual pathway towards getting a title match. Then for some completely idiotic reason, they went with a storyline direction where Cole and Laurinitis were convinced that he didn't "deserve" one and we got all this crap. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/19/11 6:36:00 AM #436:	From: SmartMuffin \| #435 Then for some completely idiotic reason, they went with a storyline direction where Cole and Laurinitis were convinced that he didn't "deserve" one and we got all this crap. Because you had an audience that was absolutely begging for it to happen. Laurinitis making him jump through extra hoops makes the crowd hate Laurinitis that much more, and it made Ryder's win even sweeter in the end. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:562157] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: SmartMuffin \| #435Then for some completely idiotic reason, they went with a storyline direction where Cole and Laurinitis were convinced that he didn't "deserve" one and we got all this crap.Because you had an audience that was absolutely begging for it to happen. Laurinitis making him jump through extra hoops makes the crowd hate Laurinitis that much more, and it made Ryder's win even sweeter in the end. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/19/11 6:38:00 AM #437:	Because you had an audience that was absolutely begging for it to happen. Laurinitis making him jump through extra hoops makes the crowd hate Laurinitis that much more, and it made Ryder's win even sweeter in the end. Okay, I'm just saying that had they gone the traditional way, there would be no "overexposure" or any such thing. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:562158] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Because you had an audience that was absolutely begging for it to happen. Laurinitis making him jump through extra hoops makes the crowd hate Laurinitis that much more, and it made Ryder's win even sweeter in the end.Okay, I'm just saying that had they gone the traditional way, there would be no "overexposure" or any such thing. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/19/11 6:41:00 AM #438:	Fair enough. I think people who think he's overexposed are a very small minority of the fanbase though. I mean, when they have The Rock out there giving a promo to build Wrestlemania and the crowd won't stop chanting WE WANT RYDER, it's probably pretty smart to give them more Ryder. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:562159] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Fair enough. I think people who think he's overexposed are a very small minority of the fanbase though.I mean, when they have The Rock out there giving a promo to build Wrestlemania and the crowd won't stop chanting WE WANT RYDER, it's probably pretty smart to give them more Ryder. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/19/11 6:42:00 AM #439:	From: JaKyL25 \| #438 Fair enough. I think people who think he's overexposed are a very small minority of the fanbase though. I mean, when they have The Rock out there giving a promo to build Wrestlemania and the crowd won't stop chanting WE WANT RYDER, it's probably pretty smart to give them more Ryder. Well, keep in mind, they'd been doing that for how many months now? "We Want Ryder" is now a demand that he be given title matches or even title wins. It used to be a demand that he be on tv at all. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:562160] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #438Fair enough. I think people who think he's overexposed are a very small minority of the fanbase though.I mean, when they have The Rock out there giving a promo to build Wrestlemania and the crowd won't stop chanting WE WANT RYDER, it's probably pretty smart to give them more Ryder.Well, keep in mind, they'd been doing that for how many months now? "We Want Ryder" is now a demand that he be given title matches or even title wins. It used to be a demand that he be on tv at all. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/19/11 6:46:00 AM #440:	Right, and they're still super-excited and pumped about more Ryder. Maybe people on the internet are a bit more overexposed to Ryder because we've been following his saga since February, but WWE didn't really pick up any steam on it until September. He's only been a non-jobber for 3 months! It wasn't too long ago when we were super-excited that he would even be on-screen with Cena! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:562161] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Right, and they're still super-excited and pumped about more Ryder.Maybe people on the internet are a bit more overexposed to Ryder because we've been following his saga since February, but WWE didn't really pick up any steam on it until September. He's only been a non-jobber for 3 months!It wasn't too long ago when we were super-excited that he would even be on-screen with Cena! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/19/11 6:51:00 AM #441:	Right, I was just responding to your suggestion that it's smart for them to give the crowd what they want. That may be true, but isn't it fair to say that the overwhelming majority of the time they, you know, DON'T do that? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:562162] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Right, I was just responding to your suggestion that it's smart for them to give the crowd what they want.That may be true, but isn't it fair to say that the overwhelming majority of the time they, you know, DON'T do that? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/19/11 6:56:00 AM #442:	Not in 2011! It has been a year of fanservice! Well if you surgically remove Triple H's angles at least. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:562163] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Not in 2011! It has been a year of fanservice!Well if you surgically remove Triple H's angles at least. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/19/11 7:08:00 AM #443:	From: JaKyL25 \| #432 Yeah, I don't get how Zack Ryder is "lucky" in any way, shape, or form. You're free to not like him, but I don't see how you can deny that he singlehandedly saved his career though his own efforts to get himself over. I was, perhaps, unclear. In his interview this summer with Colt, Colt kept asking him about this show from a creative perspective and like what Zack hoped to achieve personally through the show, like from a creative standpoint. Zack like completely misunderstands the question, talks about how he wants to be on TV, and how the show is nothing BUT a platform. I mean sure its hard work to get himself over BLAH BLAH BLAH. But that the show itself was a success was less a product of him being creative and entertaining as him just throwing everything he could think of at the wall until something somehow stuck. Thats what I mean by lucky. If he had, say, started a podcast or done one of a dozen other potential ways to try to get himself noticed I personally doubt it would have worked. I dunno, thisi the thing abotu Cabanas podcast, when guys who dont have a mind for the business go on, they really are revealed for the know-nothings they are when they try to respond to Colt's questions. Based on that interview Id say Ryder may LIKE or eve LOVE wrestling, but he simply has no brain for it. And while on this topic, I dont think getting FE'd wouldve been the endo fthe road for Ryder, hes ridiculously young and if he is THAT motivated he would've been back. From: JaKyL25 \| #440 Right, and they're still super-excited and pumped about more Ryder. Maybe people on the internet are a bit more overexposed to Ryder because we've been following his saga since February, but WWE didn't really pick up any steam on it until September. He's only been a non-jobber for 3 months! It wasn't too long ago when we were super-excited that he would even be on-screen with Cena! Except this storyline with Ziggler, without the internet component was REALLY boring. Ziggler beats Ryder. Ryder starts a petition. Ryder gets what are shown to be lucky wins, which runs counter to the whole petition angle anyway- why does he need a petition if he has more traditional means of lobbying? And then he does a few runins which only arent heel moves because he doesnt continue the beatdown afterwards. I mean on TV only, this feud is about roughly nothing and produced a series of really pretty formulaic maches to work around Ryders stupidly limited skillset. So to discount his "internet fans" growing tired of him, I feel, Is folly, since if they turn he's like half a step from Cena reactions. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:562164] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #432Yeah, I don't get how Zack Ryder is "lucky" in any way, shape, or form. You're free to not like him, but I don't see how you can deny that he singlehandedly saved his career though his own efforts to get himself over.I was, perhaps, unclear. In his interview this summer with Colt, Colt kept asking him about this show from a creative perspective and like what Zack hoped to achieve personally through the show, like from a creative standpoint. Zack like completely misunderstands the question, talks about how he wants to be on TV, and how the show is nothing BUT a platform. I mean sure its hard work to get himself over BLAH BLAH BLAH. But that the show itself was a success was less a product of him being creative and entertaining as him just throwing everything he could think of at the wall until something somehow stuck. Thats what I mean by lucky. If he had, say, started a podcast or done one of a dozen other potential ways to try to get himself noticed I personally doubt it would have worked. I dunno, thisi the thing abotu Cabanas podcast, when guys who dont have a mind for the business go on, they really are revealed for the know-nothings they are when they try to respond to Colt's questions. Based on that interview Id say Ryder may LIKE or eve LOVE wrestling, but he simply has no brain for it.And while on this topic, I dont think getting FE'd wouldve been the endo fthe road for Ryder, hes ridiculously young and if he is THAT motivated he would've been back.From: JaKyL25 \| #440Right, and they're still super-excited and pumped about more Ryder.Maybe people on the internet are a bit more overexposed to Ryder because we've been following his saga since February, but WWE didn't really pick up any steam on it until September. He's only been a non-jobber for 3 months!It wasn't too long ago when we were super-excited that he would even be on-screen with Cena!Except this storyline with Ziggler, without the internet component was REALLY boring. Ziggler beats Ryder. Ryder starts a petition. Ryder gets what are shown to be lucky wins, which runs counter to the whole petition angle anyway- why does he need a petition if he has more traditional means of lobbying? And then he does a few runins which only arent heel moves because he doesnt continue the beatdown afterwards. I mean on TV only, this feud is about roughly nothing and produced a series of really pretty formulaic maches to work around Ryders stupidly limited skillset. So to discount his "internet fans" growing tired of him, I feel, Is folly, since if they turn he's like half a step from Cena reactions. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 12/19/11 7:41:00 AM #444:	Man, you seem to just be looking for reasons to hate Ryder. I'd more or less disagree with all of what you're saying. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - Beruga Brawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 <cite>KJH posted [p:562165] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Man, you seem to just be looking for reasons to hate Ryder. I'd more or less disagree with all of what you're saying. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - BerugaBrawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/19/11 7:45:00 AM #445:	I wish I COULD like him, but I honestly just can't. He lacks qualities I can get behind aside from his out of character "story," which as something thats not even an angle but the life of a sad man its not a good reason to want him on my TV every week. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:562166] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> I wish I COULD like him, but I honestly just can't. He lacks qualities I can get behind aside from his out of character "story," which as something thats not even an angle but the life of a sad man its not a good reason to want him on my TV every week. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/19/11 7:48:00 AM #446:	From: edwardsdv \| #443 I mean on TV only, this feud is about roughly nothing It was about the United States Championship. I'd say it did more for the US Title than anything since Miz vs. Bryan. And it's okay that Ryder doesn't have a mind for the business overall, it really means very little unless he somehow gets backstage powerz. What I and many others love about Zack Ryder is that he shares our unconditional love for professional wrestling, and he's a refreshing break from the CM Punks of the world in that he's entirely positive and there's not a sarcastic or ironic bone in his body. No disrespect to Punker. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:562167] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: edwardsdv \| #443I mean on TV only, this feud is about roughly nothingIt was about the United States Championship. I'd say it did more for the US Title than anything since Miz vs. Bryan.And it's okay that Ryder doesn't have a mind for the business overall, it really means very little unless he somehow gets backstage powerz.What I and many others love about Zack Ryder is that he shares our unconditional love for professional wrestling, and he's a refreshing break from the CM Punks of the world in that he's entirely positive and there's not a sarcastic or ironic bone in his body. No disrespect to Punker. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/19/11 7:56:00 AM #447:	From: JaKyL25 \| #446 It was about the United States Championship. I'd say it did more for the US Title than anything since Miz vs. Bryan. And it's okay that Ryder doesn't have a mind for the business overall, it really means very little unless he somehow gets backstage powerz. What I and many others love about Zack Ryder is that he shares our unconditional love for professional wrestling, and he's a refreshing break from the CM Punks of the world in that he's entirely positive and there's not a sarcastic or ironic bone in his body. No disrespect to Punker. Maybe. But Why is it important? I mean really so long as they are solid entertainers I dont really care about how much the performers love the biz. By the same token, just because he loves the biz doesnt mean hes a particularly entertaining component of it. I mean I dont know how much being a wrestler means to say Cody Rhodes or Wade Barrett. But I like them in the ring and on the mic so I like them. Its just kind of irrelevent. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:562168] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #446It was about the United States Championship. I'd say it did more for the US Title than anything since Miz vs. Bryan.And it's okay that Ryder doesn't have a mind for the business overall, it really means very little unless he somehow gets backstage powerz.What I and many others love about Zack Ryder is that he shares our unconditional love for professional wrestling, and he's a refreshing break from the CM Punks of the world in that he's entirely positive and there's not a sarcastic or ironic bone in his body. No disrespect to Punker.Maybe. But Why is it important? I mean really so long as they are solid entertainers I dont really care about how much the performers love the biz. By the same token, just because he loves the biz doesnt mean hes a particularly entertaining component of it. I mean I dont know how much being a wrestler means to say Cody Rhodes or Wade Barrett. But I like them in the ring and on the mic so I like them. Its just kind of irrelevent. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/19/11 8:02:00 AM #448:	From: edwardsdv \| #447 But Why is it important? Because he's a face people can get behind because they relate to him and he makes them smile. One common complaint about smarks is how they inherently prefer heels to faces; Ryder has overcome that stereotype and become beloved by marks and smarks alike. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:562169] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: edwardsdv \| #447But Why is it important?Because he's a face people can get behind because they relate to him and he makes them smile. One common complaint about smarks is how they inherently prefer heels to faces; Ryder has overcome that stereotype and become beloved by marks and smarks alike. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/19/11 8:07:00 AM #449:	From: JaKyL25 \| #448 Because he's a face people can get behind because they relate to him and he makes them smile. One common complaint about smarks is how they inherently prefer heels to faces; Ryder has overcome that stereotype and become beloved by marks and smarks alike. The exception to that has always been comedy faces. The trouble is that its hard to take someone comedic seriously when you need to, with some pretty notable exceptions in Jericho and Angle and even they werent pure farce like Ryders character. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:562170] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #448Because he's a face people can get behind because they relate to him and he makes them smile. One common complaint about smarks is how they inherently prefer heels to faces; Ryder has overcome that stereotype and become beloved by marks and smarks alike.The exception to that has always been comedy faces. The trouble is that its hard to take someone comedic seriously when you need to, with some pretty notable exceptions in Jericho and Angle and even they werent pure farce like Ryders character. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/19/11 8:12:00 AM #450:	I think they've done a pretty good job at elevating Ryder past that Santino level of pure comedy to someone who is actually a kayfabe Top Twenty guy and can pick up legit wins from time to time. I think the disconnect here is that Zack Ryder just does not appeal to you personally, while I find him incredibly entertaining and fun to root for on a level beyond any other face in the company. I mean, I adore Dolph Ziggler, but goddammit last night I was rooting for his utter demise and marking out for every Ryder offense flurry. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:562171] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> I think they've done a pretty good job at elevating Ryder past that Santino level of pure comedy to someone who is actually a kayfabe Top Twenty guy and can pick up legit wins from time to time.I think the disconnect here is that Zack Ryder just does not appeal to you personally, while I find him incredibly entertaining and fun to root for on a level beyond any other face in the company.I mean, I adore Dolph Ziggler, but goddammit last night I was rooting for his utter demise and marking out for every Ryder offense flurry. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://p.twimg.com/Ag_961WCQAAhzSO.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 12/19/11 8:17:00 AM #451:	Man, edwards with some god awful opinions here. Ryder clearly stated that he made the podcast to get himself over with the fans and to show off his character's personality, which he never got to show off on TV. Because he knew that if he didn't, he'd never get a chance to become over. I don't understand how you missed that, or what else you expected him to gain from it. There were plenty of people who tried to go to bat for Ryder even before his webshow, and that failed. If you can't get on TV with all of your top guys saying "Hey, put this kid of TV, Vince," then you need to try something else. So he tried the only new and interesting thing he could. Also, Zack Ryder got people to buy his shirts, promising to send them all a signed glossy of himself, and he shilled his merch like none other. He pushed greatly for the Broski Headband, because he knew people would buy them. His T-shirt was terrible, but he was desperately trying to get it sold. And guess what? He succeeded. He had one of the top selling T-shirts as a freaking jobber who was never on TV. And if he sells merch, how can they get rid of him or not push him? So he pushed people to buy all of his merch constantly, and still does. That was probably the kicker that made Vince say "Alright, we'll push the kid." I fail to see how Ryder doesn't have an understanding of the business. He did everything right in the effort to get more over and make sure that management would HAVE to take notice. So call him dumb if you want, but he didn't luck out at all. He knew what he needed to do to get himself noticed and did it. And even if he didn't understand the business and lucked into everything... who cares? Why is that a reason to dislike the dude at all? That's just stretching for excuses. And the TV storyline was great, and I'm not sure what the ordeal was about it. Johnny Ace and Cole were saying that Ryder didn't deserve it because he had already lost one or two title matches before. PS, they're heels. So Ryder was trying his best to get Johnny Ace to give him another shot, but Johnny Ace is kind of a D and, despite saying that he cares about what the fans say, it showed he clearly didn't because he denied Ryder's petition. Also, it gives Ryder something to do, which is why you can care about Ryder more than you do guys like Kofi or Evan Bourne who literally do nothing backstage and aren't even shown to have any sort of character any longer. Also, I've never felt like the Ryder/Ziggler matches were ever "formulaic". They all seemed rather fresh and new. Ryder isn't the best wrestler, no. But he's steadily improving. Working with Ziggler has really helped him. I'm thinking back to the latest match and really having a hard time seeing how it was formulaic at all. It was pretty fantastic how it was presented, and it was the perfect culmination to Ryder's entire road to the US Title. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:562172] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> Man, edwards with some god awful opinions here.Ryder clearly stated that he made the podcast to get himself over with the fans and to show off his character's personality, which he never got to show off on TV. Because he knew that if he didn't, he'd never get a chance to become over. I don't understand how you missed that, or what else you expected him to gain from it. There were plenty of people who tried to go to bat for Ryder even before his webshow, and that failed. If you can't get on TV with all of your top guys saying "Hey, put this kid of TV, Vince," then you need to try something else. So he tried the only new and interesting thing he could.Also, Zack Ryder got people to buy his shirts, promising to send them all a signed glossy of himself, and he shilled his merch like none other. He pushed greatly for the Broski Headband, because he knew people would buy them. His T-shirt was terrible, but he was desperately trying to get it sold. And guess what? He succeeded. He had one of the top selling T-shirts as a freaking jobber who was never on TV. And if he sells merch, how can they get rid of him or not push him? So he pushed people to buy all of his merch constantly, and still does. That was probably the kicker that made Vince say "Alright, we'll push the kid."I fail to see how Ryder doesn't have an understanding of the business. He did everything right in the effort to get more over and make sure that management would HAVE to take notice. So call him dumb if you want, but he didn't luck out at all. He knew what he needed to do to get himself noticed and did it. And even if he didn't understand the business and lucked into everything... who cares? Why is that a reason to dislike the dude at all? That's just stretching for excuses.And the TV storyline was great, and I'm not sure what the ordeal was about it. Johnny Ace and Cole were saying that Ryder didn't deserve it because he had already lost one or two title matches before. PS, they're heels. So Ryder was trying his best to get Johnny Ace to give him another shot, but Johnny Ace is kind of a D and, despite saying that he cares about what the fans say, it showed he clearly didn't because he denied Ryder's petition. Also, it gives Ryder something to do, which is why you can care about Ryder more than you do guys like Kofi or Evan Bourne who literally do nothing backstage and aren't even shown to have any sort of character any longer.Also, I've never felt like the Ryder/Ziggler matches were ever "formulaic". They all seemed rather fresh and new. Ryder isn't the best wrestler, no. But he's steadily improving. Working with Ziggler has really helped him. I'm thinking back to the latest match and really having a hard time seeing how it was formulaic at all. It was pretty fantastic how it was presented, and it was the perfect culmination to Ryder's entire road to the US Title. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 12/19/11 8:18:00 AM #452:	From: JaKyL25 \| #450 I think they've done a pretty good job at elevating Ryder past that Santino level of pure comedy to someone who is actually a kayfabe Top Twenty guy and can pick up legit wins from time to time. I think the disconnect here is that Zack Ryder just does not appeal to you personally, while I find him incredibly entertaining and fun to root for on a level beyond any other face in the company. I mean, I adore Dolph Ziggler, but goddammit last night I was rooting for his utter demise and marking out for every Ryder offense flurry. This very well could be. From the point where I realized I didnt really like him very much as a person it became hard for him to appeal to me and thats like, all he is to guys like you. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:562173] in All-Purpos... [t:61372512]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #450I think they've done a pretty good job at elevating Ryder past that Santino level of pure comedy to someone who is actually a kayfabe Top Twenty guy and can pick up legit wins from time to time.I think the disconnect here is that Zack Ryder just does not appeal to you personally, while I find him incredibly entertaining and fun to root for on a level beyond any other face in the company.I mean, I adore Dolph Ziggler, but goddammit last night I was rooting for his utter demise and marking out for every Ryder offense flurry.This very well could be. From the point where I realized I didnt really like him very much as a person it became hard for him to appeal to me and thats like, all he is to guys like you. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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