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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 11:26:00 AM
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Anything at all will do, and I will give my opinion or the correct answer on it. Yes, I am that bored right now.

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JaKyL25
12/14/11 11:27:00 AM
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Do you prefer the manga or the anime?

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agesboy
12/14/11 11:33:00 AM
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Who are your favorite weaker fighters? People like Yamcha or Tien who are held back by.. well, not being Saiyans, and get a much less important role as the story progresses.

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Liquid Wind
12/14/11 11:34:00 AM
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japanese soundtrack vs american soundtrack vs kai soundtrack
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OmarsComin
12/14/11 11:34:00 AM
#5:


Why are power levels so mentally handicapped?
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ExThaNemesis
12/14/11 11:34:00 AM
#6:


From: Liquid Wind | #004
japanese soundtrack vs american soundtrack vs kai soundtrack


faulconer all day err day

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 11:43:00 AM
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From: JaKyL25 | #002
Do you prefer the manga or the anime?




I will freely admit the Manga is better. I prefer the anime because of the music, and it makes the incredible moments better. SSJ 3 took 3 panels in the manga, it took 7 minutes in the Anime.

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Pirateking2000
12/14/11 11:43:00 AM
#8:


Hercule is the true hero of the buu saga

yes or no?

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 11:44:00 AM
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From: agesboy | #003
Who are your favorite weaker fighters? People like Yamcha or Tien who are held back by.. well, not being Saiyans, and get a much less important role as the story progresses.




Not Yamcha. Anyway, I love Krillin. Roshi was truly awesome in DB, and Yajorobe is top tier.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
12/14/11 11:44:00 AM
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Why does everyone know the Distructo Disc

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 11:46:00 AM
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From: Liquid Wind | #004
japanese soundtrack vs american soundtrack vs kai soundtrack




Faulconer, not even a question. Japanese and Kai are close to each other. Probably Japanese because of Spirit vs Spirit, and Dan Dan Kokoro

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TimJab
12/14/11 11:48:00 AM
#12:


who is the strongest human

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 11:48:00 AM
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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #010
Why does everyone know the Distructo Disc




Who else knows it in canon besides Krillin Vegeta and Frieza (and by extension Cell)?

And Frieza's is different anyway, we don't know for certain if his can cut through anything, like the Kienzan can.

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Liquid Wind
12/14/11 11:49:00 AM
#14:


from what little I've heard of the original japanese soundtrack I have to say I like kai's more, but yeah, faulconer did amazing things for it, DBZ remains one of a handful of anime that I'd prefer to watch the english dub and faulconer is a big part of it
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OmarsComin
12/14/11 11:49:00 AM
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MWC you skipped my question
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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 11:49:00 AM
#16:


From: TimJab | #012
who is the strongest human




Gohan :)

IF you mean full human. Uub.

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 11:50:00 AM
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From: OmarsComin | #015
MWC you skipped my question




I'm getting to all of them.

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TimJab
12/14/11 11:54:00 AM
#18:


more specific

who's stronger - tien or krillin

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 11:55:00 AM
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From: OmarsComin | #005
Why are power levels so mentally handicapped?




Simply put, because it continued. The power level went nuts at Ginyu saga and past because this was supposed to be the Final Challenge. Get through Frieza elite personal army, made up of the strongest in all the Universe, capping out with someone over 120,000. Then get to Frieza himself, who turns out is so ungodly powerful that it is incomprehensible. (Seriously, 120,000,000) And then Goku becomes the Legend to fight the Universal Tyrant. Literally 2 gods going at it. It was all supposed to end there, so none of this would matter. But then Toei wanted more, and Bird studios obliged, however, there was now no going back, and then Gero is able to (with limited technology mind you) make creatures more powerful than a Universal Tyrant? And finally, we meet an enemy so strong, he is able to (casually at that) kill the omnipotent gods of the DBZ verse? That is why powerlevels went mental. Blame Toriyama being forced to continue after Namek. I won't even begin to get into GT for power levels..

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MajinZidane
12/14/11 11:56:00 AM
#20:


tien, obv

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Liquid Wind
12/14/11 11:56:00 AM
#21:


my theory on the kienzan is that the manipulation of energy is a basic technique that may simply have different names. when vegeta comes to earth he can fly, shoot energy beams that are like a kamehameha, create false moonlight which may not be that far removed from learning solar flare, and apparently either already knows something like the destructo disc or learns it from watching krillin do it. really the only difference between the saiyans and earthlings is that the earthlings can sense external ki(you'd think vegeta would have to be acutely aware of his own ki in order to manipulate it but hey, nothing else in DB makes sense), it seems like a lot of techniques are interchangeable or related
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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 11:58:00 AM
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From: TimJab | #018
more specific

who's stronger - tien or krillin




DB: Tien
Early DBZ: Tien
After Krillin gets his potential unlocked: Krillin
7 years after Buu saga: Could be either, doesn't matter
10 years after DBZ ends. Could be either, not canon, LOL GT, doesn't matter, knowing Toei, probably Tien.

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EndOfDiscOne
12/14/11 11:58:00 AM
#23:


How does it feel to be on the losing side of the Krillin vs. Tien debate?

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 12:03:00 PM
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From: Pirateking2000 | #008
Hercule is the true hero of the buu saga

yes or no?




Debatable.

Had they not killed the puppy, then yes, period, bar none and no question.

As it stands, it is some combination of Vegeta, Goku, Hercule, the Nameks, Kibito Kai, Old Kai, Mr. Buu, and the Dragon.


The fact is going from the point that Gohan failed (shocking) it took ALOT to finally beat Buu, if any one of the people I just named does not get involved, the universe is doomed. Hercule was pretty much the final ingredient, but they don't get that far if not for everyone else.

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 12:05:00 PM
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From: EndOfDiscOne | #023
How does it feel to be on the losing side of the Krillin vs. Tien debate?





I wouldn't know. I am not the one arguing against something stated in canon 16 years ago. If people want to argue after Buu that Tien is stronger (who cares if he is by the way) fine, have at it. But it is stated in canon that Krillin is the strongest human at the time of the World Tournament.

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TimJab
12/14/11 12:06:00 PM
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From: Liquid Wind | #021
apparently either already knows something like the destructo disc or learns it from watching krillin do it.


i think he was already aware of the technique given that he knew enough to warn nappa to get out of the way. nappa had tanked everything prior to that but vegeta was aware that that technique would kill him. maybe he had seen freiza use it.

alternatively, he was simply a smarter fighter than nappa.

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TimJab
12/14/11 12:08:00 PM
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From: EmDubyaSee | #025
If people want to argue after Buu that Tien is stronger (who cares if he is by the way) fine, have at it.


why do we care about any of this?

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Liquid Wind
12/14/11 12:08:00 PM
#28:


this is also true, vegeta can't sense ki at that point so the only way he could know that it was different than a normal energy attack is by it's appearance, it does seem like he recognizes it
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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 12:08:00 PM
#29:


From: TimJab | #026
i think he was already aware of the technique given that he knew enough to warn nappa to get out of the way. nappa had tanked everything prior to that but vegeta was aware that that technique would kill him. maybe he had seen freiza use it.

alternatively, he was simply a smarter fighter than nappa.




This seems to be it.

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MajinZidane
12/14/11 12:08:00 PM
#30:


From: EmDubyaSee | #022
After Krillin gets his potential unlocked: Krillin


what about after Tien trains with King Kai, and later after he continues training on Earth while Krillin settles down and marries?

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 12:16:00 PM
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From: MajinZidane | #030
what about after Tien trains with King Kai, and later after he continues training on Earth while Krillin settles down and marries?




2 things here.



1 the King Kai training would not help them that much (ok, Chiatzu maybe, since he was only like 600 at time of death) Goku came to King kai with a power level of about 412, King Kai is 3500. Or Piccolo against Nappa power. Yamcha and Tien are both well above 1500 when they get there. Catching Bubbles would not do much if anything for them. They don't learn the Kaio Ken or Spirit Bomb, so they hardly did any of the stuff Goku did.

2 Again, just going by what the manga says for that part. Though if you had your full potential unlocked, it stands to reason no amount of training would be able to surpass you.

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TimJab
12/14/11 12:18:00 PM
#32:


didn't goku jump all the way to 9000+ training with king kai?

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TimJab
12/14/11 12:19:00 PM
#33:


new question

if guru unlocked gohan's full potential, how come he didn't rocket up to ultimate gohan level

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 12:24:00 PM
#34:


From: TimJab | #033
new question

if guru unlocked gohan's full potential, how come he didn't rocket up to ultimate gohan level




Old Kais unlock is said to unlock you beyond your limits. In other words, no matter what you EVER did in life, you could never reach the level that gets you. Ever.

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TimJab
12/14/11 12:25:00 PM
#35:


ok then

how come he didn't shoot up to super saiyan 2 or whatever

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 12:26:00 PM
#36:


From: TimJab | #032
didn't goku jump all the way to 9000+ training with king kai?




8,000, but yes, he did. Again, he also had more training, and I am not saying Tien and Yamcha did not become stronger. I am saying not as strong as Krillin.

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Liquid Wind
12/14/11 12:28:00 PM
#37:


goku is also a saiyan. humans don't magically get way stronger when their spine gets crushed by 10x gravity...
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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 12:30:00 PM
#38:


From: TimJab | #035
ok then

how come he didn't shoot up to super saiyan 2 or whatever




Because of the Saiyan Zenkai's. (Also physical maturity) That was his full potential at that exact moment,m but both because he was only 5, and because he was a Saiyan, he could get unbelievably stronger than that. Also, SSJ 2 is a transformation, so if he did go to his SSJ 2 stength, his power would be 100 times more when he actually DID achieve SSJ 2. The powers have to do with your base. That would be like asking why did he not become Oozaru strength, because then when he transformed he would still go up by 10 times.

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 6:27:00 PM
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bump

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WilhuffTarkin
12/14/11 6:28:00 PM
#40:


What is your opinion on Gohan absolutely sucking as a DBZ character?

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OmarsComin
12/14/11 6:28:00 PM
#41:


What is your opinion on Gohan absolutely sucking as a DBZ character?

Confirm. He is like the Wesley Crusher of that series.
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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 6:35:00 PM
#42:


From: WilhuffTarkin | #040
What is your opinion on Gohan absolutely sucking as a DBZ character?


SSJ2 Kid Gohan is one of my favorite characters in all fiction. And that makes the rest of Gohan even more sad than it is.


Gohan had unlimited potential, and over and over it was screwed up. He ends up being an unspeakably bad character, just an incredible failure all around. But at his best, he is the best the Dragonballverse has to offer.

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dethfdddddh
12/14/11 6:49:00 PM
#43:


SSJ2 Kid Gohan without the broken arm versus Super Perfect Cell.

Dabura versus Super Perfect Cell.

Broly versus Super Perfect Cell.

SSJ2 non-majin Vegeta versus SSJ2 Kid Gohan.

Future Trunks that killed Frieza; stronger than SSJ Goku on Namek?

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SockoDeus
12/14/11 7:05:00 PM
#44:


What are the prerequisites to transform into a super saiyan?

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 7:12:00 PM
#45:


From: dethfdddddh | #043
SSJ2 Kid Gohan without the broken arm versus Super Perfect Cell.

Dabura versus Super Perfect Cell.

Broly versus Super Perfect Cell.

SSJ2 non-majin Vegeta versus SSJ2 Kid Gohan.

Future Trunks that killed Frieza; stronger than SSJ Goku on Namek?




SSJ 2 Kid Gohan, honestly not even a fair fight.

They are said to be even, which means Super Perfect Cell wins. He can regenerate, Dabura can not. ANd there is no way that one single hell blast from someone of similar strength would off Cell in one hit.

Broly was beaten by SSJ (not FPSSJ) Goku. Then by SSJ Goku, Gohan, and Goten. Then by KRILLIN!!!

He is outclassed by all the SSJ2's, the weakest of which (teen Gohan) is about equal to Super Perfect Cell. And again, SPC can regenerate, Broly would not be able to.

SSJ2 Vegeta, easily. Before he gets the Majin powerup, Vegeta all ready comments how both he and Kakarot are stronger than Gohan was against Cell (because he knew his own SSJ 2 power level, and saw Goku's for an instant against Yakon). Trunks also comment about how similar Goku's power was to his dads. The Majin power up closed the gap between he and Goku, (which was not that gargantuan if Trunks is to be beleived) he would in no way need it to beat SSJ2 Kid Gohan.

Mecha Frieza is stated to be stronger than 100% Frieza. I am sure King Cold is no slouch (though I do not believe he is stronger than Frieza). Trunks dealt with them both effortlessly. Now a large part of that was because Goku had just become SSJ, where as Trunks had been one for a long time, and was not incumbered by anything about it. But still. The other thing is Frieza would not go looking for Goku (to fight anyway, instead of blowing up a planet) unless he knew he was stronger. It is true Frieza can't sense Goku's power, but he knows his own topped out at 120,000,000, and Goku dispatched him relatively easily. Frieza would have to be significantly stronger than that to want to tango with Goku again. And Trunks took him out after 2 attacks.

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EmDubyaSee
12/14/11 7:16:00 PM
#46:


From: SockoDeus | #044
What are the prerequisites to transform into a super saiyan?




I think the only official, canon ones, are pure of heart. (Though I would say tailless probably is involved too, as according to the Legendary SSJ, he became a SSJ from Oozaru, so without that ability, they become the more human type one) It seems moment of peril or high emotions help immensely for the actual transformation, but it is not required, as Goten, and Vegeta SSJ2, and Goku SSJ2 and SSJ3 show.

I know some believe you have to be at a certain base strength as well, but Future Base Gohan>SSJ Trunks, so that throws that out the window, unless the base is ridiculously low.

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ExThaNemesis
12/14/11 7:20:00 PM
#47:


Dang. You know a lot about this.

You nerd.

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KingKracko
12/14/11 7:24:00 PM
#48:


Best Faulconer track?

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Sorozone
12/14/11 7:25:00 PM
#49:


From: EmDubyaSee | #046
I know some believe you have to be at a certain base strength as well, but Future Base Gohan>SSJ Trunks, so that throws that out the window, unless the base is ridiculously low.


I think the power level number that get thrown around is 300,000. Not that anything actually indicates that, I think people just got that from when Goku first transformed or something.

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SuperAngelo128
12/14/11 7:26:00 PM
#50:


Do you happen to have your arc rankings with writeups saved and written somewhere?

It was fun following that and I'm pretty sure that was the first notable thing you did on the board (at least to me)

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