Board 8 > When are they going to reboot the Pokemon franchise?

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GranzonEx
10/20/11 8:17:00 PM
#1:


Yes technically B/W is a reboot, but I want them to reboot it so that we can't even get the older Pokemon. We're nearing 1k Pokemon, that's ridiculous.

I hope they wrap up Grey and RSE remake, then make Gen 6. That way they can split the 6 games into two trilogies, and instead of remaking them separately they can just make two games with 3 region each. That way if they want to reintroduce the older Pokemon from Gen 7 onward, it would only take two "remakes" to bring them back.

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WazzupGenius00
10/20/11 8:21:00 PM
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I don't think I understand what you're saying at all

"Split the 6 games into two trilogies"? You mean like RBY/GSC/RSE and then DPP/BWG/gen6? That doesn't even make sense, and beyond that the rest of your post makes even less sense

Whatever your intent, I'm confident in saying that literally nobody else wants whatever you're proposing

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Shoenin_Kakashi
10/20/11 8:22:00 PM
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Yes technically B/W is a reboot, but I want them to reboot it so that we can't even get the older Pokemon.

They did technically do this.

It pissed everyone off, and was a dick move.

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GranzonEx
10/20/11 8:28:00 PM
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Gen 7 with 150 brand new Pokemon. Remake Gen1/2/3 on improved Gen 7 engine. Then 3rd edition of Gen 7. Repeat for Gen 8 but this time with remake of Gen 4/5/6.

The way I see it. If RSE gets a remake now, that means RBY will be getting a remake after that >_> then that means GSC will get a remake...

If they split 6 games into 2 trilogies, they wouldn't have to restart the cycle of remakes if their reboot pisses people off.

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Not Dave
10/20/11 8:31:00 PM
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nobody wants this

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KommunistKoala
10/20/11 8:32:00 PM
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This would infuriate everyone except for you.

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paperwarior
10/20/11 8:33:00 PM
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Gen 5 is, for all intents and purposes, a reboot.

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GranzonEx
10/20/11 8:33:00 PM
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1k Pokemon sounds ridiculous.

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Sorozone
10/20/11 8:35:00 PM
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1,000 Pokemon sounds awesome, look at all those collectibles.
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AdmiralZephyr
10/20/11 8:35:00 PM
#10:


I'm sorry I'm just not following you at all here. But whatever it is I don't want it to happen.

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Wanglicious
10/20/11 8:36:00 PM
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ridiculously awesome.

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GranzonEx
10/20/11 8:36:00 PM
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Is it such a big deal to completely reboot? What about the 3 region remakes?

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Azp2k32
10/20/11 8:37:00 PM
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Remember what happened in Gen 3? Remember how that's the most hated generation of the series?

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facepaImer
10/20/11 8:38:00 PM
#14:


they just need a game where you can go to every region

and you can pick which region you go to first

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XIII_rocks
10/20/11 8:38:00 PM
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From: Sorozone | #009
1,000 Pokemon sounds awesome, look at all those collectibles.


Best

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GranzonEx
10/20/11 8:38:00 PM
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I think it's hated because they got rid of day/night/date.

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facepaImer
10/20/11 8:38:00 PM
#17:


Gen 3 was the worst (and the worst by pokemon standards isn't even that bad) was all the damn water

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Sorozone
10/20/11 8:40:00 PM
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Yeah, Gen 3 was bad because of all the water. It's my least favorite, but it's not all that bad of a game.
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Biolizard28
10/20/11 8:40:00 PM
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From: Azp2k32 | #013
Remember what happened in Gen 3? Remember how that's the most hated generation of the series?


That doesn't mean it was bad.

It came at the awkward stage of the original fanbase's life when they were in middle school and desperate to abandon everything they liked as a child because it was the "cool" thing to do. DPPt recovered because it came out during a time the same fanbase was starting to appreciate nostalgia.

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GranzonEx
10/20/11 8:40:00 PM
#20:


Nintendo will never do a game with all existing regions. And not a main game for a console either, because then it wouldn't be Pocket Monsters.

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foolm0ron
10/20/11 8:42:00 PM
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If they reboot they need to make it a completely different game

Like you have all the regions, except it plays like GTA/Just Cuase 2 and you can steal bikes and kill hookers with Charmander flamethrower and hijack Pigeots and crash them into pokemon centers

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SovietOmega
10/20/11 8:43:00 PM
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ok guys. like. seriously. three gens will form a triangle. collect all 9 gens and you will form a triforce and/or metroid and/or mario/bowser/peach dynamic

DONT YOU SEE? NINTENDO IS A TRIPLE RECURSION OF A SINGLE LOOP OF WARPED SPACE!

...or something

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Not Dave
10/20/11 8:46:00 PM
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And not a main game for a console either, because then it wouldn't be Pocket Monsters.

what terrible reasoning

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TheCodeisBosco
10/20/11 8:46:00 PM
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Y'know, what is Game Freak going to do about the rising number of Pokemon? I mean, the idea of trying to catch 1,000 Pokemon is pretty crazy. Quite a few people I've talked to think it's ridiculous that over 500 exist nowadays, so having 1,000+ could be sort of ill-advised.

Biolizard28 posted...
From: Azp2k32 | #013
Remember what happened in Gen 3? Remember how that's the most hated generation of the series?
That doesn't mean it was bad.

It came at the awkward stage of the original fanbase's life when they were in middle school and desperate to abandon everything they liked as a child because it was the "cool" thing to do. DPPt recovered because it came out during a time the same fanbase was starting to appreciate nostalgia.


This is definitely part of it, and I also think people disliked how different R/S/E were from G/S/C (no clock, no day/night features, etc). Gen III was criminally underrated at the time of its release; its reputation has definitely started to turn around these past few years, though, and for good reason.

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GranzonEx
10/20/11 8:52:00 PM
#25:


1k is nothing for hardcore players. But the little kids aren't going to really understand or care, they just want to collect them all and 1k is too much. Kids that started with B/W isn't going to be piss about not being able to get stuff from 1/2/3/4.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
10/20/11 8:52:00 PM
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I think it's hated because they got rid of day/night/date.

It's hated because there was no way to get your favorite Pokemon whom you trained and grown attached to for half a decade, and have them in the new game because of 2 terrible system changes that no one liked or asked for.

That and there was no way to get every single pokemon until a remake and console version later unless you gamesharked.

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WazzupGenius00
10/20/11 8:53:00 PM
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From: SovietOmega | #022
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Azp2k32
10/20/11 8:53:00 PM
#28:


Eh, the Day/Night was big, but I still cite a lack of old Pokémon as being the biggest reason. No inclusion of the other regions was also pretty bad for people who expected it after GSC, but losing all your generations old Pokémon and not being able to catch new versions was the main source of the initial resentment from the fanbase.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
10/20/11 8:53:00 PM
#29:


Like you have all the regions, except it plays like GTA/Just Cuase 2 and you can steal bikes and kill hookers with Charmander flamethrower and hijack Pigeots and crash them into pokemon centers

Grand Theft Pokemon sounds incredible actually <_<

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WazzupGenius00
10/20/11 8:54:00 PM
#30:


The lack of old Pokemon is absolutely the thing that made RSE disliked the most. That was the single reason I didn't buy them myself until many years later

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Natwaf_akidna
10/20/11 8:56:00 PM
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Oh god timecube.

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GranzonEx
10/20/11 8:56:00 PM
#32:


RSE came at a bad time. Most of the kids that started with RBYGSC were in highschool when RSE came out. You hear bad things about RSE because these people are complaining.

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Iamdead7
10/20/11 8:59:00 PM
#33:


I was crushed when I beat the main story of RSE and couldn't go back to Johto

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ExThaNemesis
10/20/11 9:02:00 PM
#34:


From: facepaImer | #014
they just need a game where you can go to every region

and you can pick which region you go to first


best idea is best

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Sorozone
10/20/11 9:05:00 PM
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I'm not opposed to the idea of going to every region, it's just they would have to change the leveling system by quite a bit. I think it would be cool to be able to go to all regions. Then be facing like, level 400 Dragonites or something, lol.
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Kenri
10/20/11 9:06:00 PM
#36:


I'd actually be okay with a complete reboot, because Pokemon games are all about the new Pokemon for me anyway.

...But I'd be just as okay with them never doing a complete reboot, for the exact same reason. Doesn't affect me much either way, but one option pisses off 99% of the fanbase. Never gonna happen.

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GranzonEx
10/20/11 9:10:00 PM
#37:


But it doesn't piss off 99% of them >_>

The audience is still the little kids. And once they move on from the 3DS, they will have to reboot unless the next DS can play DS games.

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red13n
10/20/11 9:11:00 PM
#38:


full on reboot would be awful.

Now, an anime reboot, thats what they really need.

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Biolizard28
10/20/11 9:15:00 PM
#39:


A full on reboot is what BW should have been. It was brilliant in every respect, and I would have given endless props to the development team if they did away with the first four gens and legitimately started over.

But of course, it's a fanbase fueled by nostalgia and changing anything, or taking anything away, is disastrous.

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GranzonEx
10/20/11 9:17:00 PM
#40:


They don't understand that the people they piss off wouldn't even be more than 10% of the sales.

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Biolizard28
10/20/11 9:19:00 PM
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Well consider that the 90% would buy the game no matter what, so that extra 10% starts to count for more because it's all you stand to lose.

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ExThaNemesis
10/20/11 9:19:00 PM
#42:


From: Sorozone | #035
I'm not opposed to the idea of going to every region, it's just they would have to change the leveling system by quite a bit. I think it would be cool to be able to go to all regions. Then be facing like, level 400 Dragonites or something, lol.


I don't think it would be too hard to implement some sort of level restriction as you powered through each of the regions.

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Grand Kirby
10/20/11 9:20:00 PM
#43:


How is B/W a reboot?

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beavis666x2
10/20/11 9:25:00 PM
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This topic sucks and is now about trains.

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swirIdude
10/20/11 9:27:00 PM
#45:


Grand Kirby posted...
How is B/W a reboot?

No Pokemon from other gens can be caught until the E4 is defeated.

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Kenri
10/20/11 9:29:00 PM
#46:


But it doesn't piss off 99% of them >_>

The audience is still the little kids.


Little kids who want to catch a Pikachu at some point in their game.

You might be able to get away with rebooting the series by removing all old Pokemon and then gradually reintroducing a handful of the most popular/interesting ones, but ehhh.

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Biolizard28
10/21/11 4:45:00 AM
#47:


From: Kenri | #046
You might be able to get away with rebooting the series by removing all old Pokemon and then gradually reintroducing a handful of the most popular/interesting ones, but ehhh.


This gets extremely problematic.

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voltch
10/21/11 4:52:00 AM
#48:


CHOO CHOO

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Gooper Blooper
10/21/11 5:56:00 AM
#49:


This is why I hate it whenever GameFreak makes a bunch of Bug/Flying and Normal/Flying and pure Water types - it means a lot of redundancy, but you can't get rid of any Pokemon because 1) they all have fans and 2) The whole point of the series is to catch them all.

They just need to make catching easier (read: less swarms and crap) and make the routes more diverse. Instead of having a route with 1 Pokemon showing up 90% of the time and two more 5%, there should be ten Pokemon, each with a 10% chance of appearing. No two routes share a Pokemon. Keep a few special areas where the wild Pokemon all give the same EVs for the hardcore guys. Simple and gives tons of variety.

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Dauntless Hunter
10/21/11 6:08:00 AM
#50:


From: Gooper Blooper | #049
Instead of having a route with 1 Pokemon showing up 90% of the time and two more 5%, there should be ten Pokemon, each with a 10% chance of appearing. No two routes share a Pokemon.


While a lot of players would love this, GameFreak wants to direct your experience more than that. Having a basic Normal type and a Normal/Flying and a bunch of crummy Bugs seems to be, in their minds, an essential part of the beginning of the "Pokemon Experience". And they like being able to put in gyms where there's only a few certain Pokemon available that will have a distinct advantage there.

It's dumb but that's what they do.

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