Board 8 > Catholic Church exposed for selling Spanish babies over the course of decades.

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Sounds like the worst novel ever, but...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049647/BBC-documentary-exposes-50-year-scandal-baby-trafficking-Catholic-church-Spain.html

Hundreds of families who had babies taken from Spanish hospitals are now battling for an official government investigation into the scandal. Several mothers say they were told their first-born children had died during or soon after they gave birth.

But the women, often young and unmarried, were told they could not see the body of the infant or attend their burial. In reality, the babies were sold to childless couples whose devout beliefs and financial security meant that they were seen as more appropriate parents.

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That's quite brilliant actually

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the fact it lasted 50 years is impressive.

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Sounds like a lite version of a Dan Brown novel. Regardless, glad the police finally caught on.

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Holy moly, churches have gotten away with a lot over the years!

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lol organized religion

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UltimaterializerX posted...
The church is hardly alone in the child sex trade.

Dude there's no sex involved

Well I mean technically to produce the babies you need to blahblahblah

But this is about adoptions

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now if he would have used the term "child trafficking" he would have been A-OK, and that even includes the sex trade stuff!

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wouldn't be surprised if it involved that too, there are all kinds of creeps in the world. remember that story about the girl that got kidnapped when she was like...8 IIRC and was then held captive as a sex slave for like 15 years? and what kind of approval process is there for black market babies that the catholic church is selling?

I assume they would only sell to couples that are members of the church.

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and being a member of the catholic church clearly makes you less likely to commit such acts

I'm just saying that's how the church works.

Being a member automatically makes you better than all of those other people.

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With 300,000 babies, I guess it's possible at least one of them ended up with someone who would do that.

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That's.

...That's impossible.

A topic about something as outrageous as the Catholic Church deciding that mothers are unfit to have children and telling them that the children died when they were really being given to "good" religious families, and somehow it still manages to get derailed by Ulti's mighty Ultiness.

Outstanding. Truly outstanding.

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nobody expects the spanish inquisition...

This is both horrifying and incredibly impressive.

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TsunamiXXVIII posted...
That's.

...That's impossible.

A topic about something as outrageous as the Catholic Church deciding that mothers are unfit to have children and telling them that the children died when they were really being given to "good" religious families, and somehow it still manages to get derailed by Ulti's mighty Ultiness.

Outstanding. Truly outstanding.

XD

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UltimaterializerX posted...
You're quite naive if you think child trafficking and adoption doesn't involve the child sex trade.

I'm sure in this case, it doesn't involve sex (or at least that's not the intention, like TRE said, it's possible one child got supremely unlucky), considering the church gave the babies to couples with money and who probably donated to the church a lot. I think the intention was to give the child a better life, though this is certainly not the way to do it.

I'm just surprised Smuffin isn't in here calling the church a bunch of communists, with the way they're redistributing the wealth (of babies).

Good intentions, but completely unethical.

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This reminds me of Sons of Anarchy

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this is hilarious

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I stand corrected, this is the most intelligent writing of all time. Someone call the Norwegian Nobel Committee.

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Just because something happened elsewhere doesn't means it happened here. The article doesn't say a thing about any evidence of what you claim happening in this case.

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I don't think you got what I mean. I'm not saying the situation you described doesn't happen and I'm not saying it isn't a big problem. I'm not even saying that members of the church don't sometimes get involved with it. My point is there is no evidence that the situation in the news article is one of the situations you described. As messed up as these people may be, it doesn't mean they went as far as intentionally selling children into the sex trade. Also I never said a thing about you derailing the topic.

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I don't think any of those articles has to do with newborn infants being sold for sex which seems to be what you're implying here.

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EverythingSnob posted...

I stand corrected, this is the most intelligent writing of all time. Someone call the Norwegian Nobel Committee.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee only appoints the Peace Prize, the others are appointed by Swedish institutions. (I assume you were talking about the Literature Prize.)

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I really hope this is one of those, "It's the Daily Mail," things.

EDIT: I see the Daily Mail link plastered all over the "I h8 gOD LULZ" websites, but strangely, nothing on the BBC website itself. Hmm.

Honestly though, I don't understand how anyone can be Catholic in this day and age after all the horrible things the church as done.

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From: charmander6000 | #015
I'm just saying that's how the church works.

Being a member automatically makes you better than all of those other people.

Ummmm no? That's 100% false.

there are exceptions, like everything else, but there's no way your comment can be seen as anywhere approaching true

From: Shadow Doom Blaze | #031
Elitists will pay tens of millions of dollars for a child with blond hair blue eyes or black hair green eyes.

I hope this doesn't have anything to do with Harry Potter but it probably does and that's sad.

Anyway the joke will be on them if they're doing this with babies, their eye and hair color change all the time.

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From: Heroic_CactObo | #043
Ummmm no? That's 100% false.

there are exceptions, like everything else, but there's no way your comment can be seen as anywhere approaching true

I think he means in the eyes of the church, not that it objectively makes you better.

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Of course it makes them better. Only the religion someone claims to be matters to them, even if they do not practice whatsoever.

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RevolverSaro posted...
Honestly though, I don't understand how anyone can be Catholic in this day and age after all the horrible things the church as done.

If you want to be ANYTHING, you've got a bunch of people who've done horrible things in your name. Pagan? Human sacrifice. Humanist? Eugenics movement and several 20th century tyrants with enormous body counts. Buddhist? Talk to the Asian mainland about World War II. It goes on.

From: Uglyface2 | #046
If you want to be ANYTHING, you've got a bunch of people who've done horrible things in your name. Pagan? Human sacrifice. Humanist? Eugenics movement and several 20th century tyrants with enormous body counts. Buddhist? Talk to the Asian mainland about World War II. It goes on.

No one's done anything horrible in the name of Pastafarianism.

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Dauntless Hunter posted...
No one's done anything horrible in the name of Pastafarianism.

They voted for Al Franken in Minnesota. That man's career should have ended with the Ghostbusters video.

From: Dauntless Hunter | #044
I think he means in the eyes of the church, not that it objectively makes you better.

Nah I got his point but it's still based entirely on misinformation.

the sheer quantity of ignorance in his opinion is just astounding