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TomNook7
10/03/11 10:12:00 AM
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Honestly? I grew up with DKC1, and I love that as well as DKC2, but DKCR is just...fantastic.

DKCR > DKC1 = DKC2 >> DKC3

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Liquid Wind
10/03/11 10:12:00 AM
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No.
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MarvelousGerbil
10/03/11 10:12:00 AM
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It's not even fun... at all... <_<

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Radix
10/03/11 10:13:00 AM
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2 > 1 >=R > 3 tbqh

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TomNook7
10/03/11 10:13:00 AM
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get your bad opinions out my topic

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Bigwig_rah
10/03/11 10:13:00 AM
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DKC2 > DKCR > DKC3 > DKC1 imo

But yeah, Returns is pretty fantastic.

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Liquid Wind
10/03/11 10:14:00 AM
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you literally posted

DKCR > DKC1 = DKC2

you don't get to call other peoples opinions bad.
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LeonhartFour
10/03/11 10:14:00 AM
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From: TomNook7 | #001
DKC1 = DKC2


Wha?

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foolmor0n
10/03/11 10:15:00 AM
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Best in the DKCR series, of which it is the lone member, sure

But compared to the original series, no way. By controls alone, the originals destroy DKCR. If we start to factor in graphics/music, it's no contest.

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GuessMyUserName
10/03/11 10:16:00 AM
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R's easily the best yeah

soooo good

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KamikazePotato
10/03/11 10:16:00 AM
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R's is definitely the best.

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BoshStrikesBack
10/03/11 10:17:00 AM
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DKC2 is easily the most overrated game in the original trilogy. Not nearly as good in terms of level design as it's given credit for (although the aesthetics are great). Sorry Leon.

Correct ranking is DKC = DKCR > DKC2 > DKC3.

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Pram_the_Oracle
10/03/11 10:18:00 AM
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DKC2 > DKC3 > DKC

Pfft the original.

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LeonhartFour
10/03/11 10:18:00 AM
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From: BoshStrikesBack | #012
Correct ranking is DKC = DKCR > DKC2 > DKC3.


After seeing this, I'm sorry, too.

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TomNook7
10/03/11 10:18:00 AM
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I also don't think you should be able to rank these unless you've played each of them with a partner.

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pjbasis
10/03/11 10:18:00 AM
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foolmor0n posted...
Best in the DKCR series, of which it is the lone member, sure

But compared to the original series, no way. By controls alone, the originals destroy DKCR. If we start to factor in graphics/music, it's no contest.

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Liquid Wind
10/03/11 10:19:00 AM
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DKCR is the worst game in the series just based off of its wonky roll mechanic and waggle controls alone, nevermind the fact that the game has worse aesthetics in spite of being several generations later and most of the music is just DKC recycled
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GuessMyUserName
10/03/11 10:20:00 AM
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DKCR completely stomps the rest of the games in level design


all that matters

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Liquid Wind
10/03/11 10:21:00 AM
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DKCR does have some of the best level design, I'll give it that. it's just a waste when it controls like ass
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GuessMyUserName
10/03/11 10:23:00 AM
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hack the controls like everybody else with a brain did!

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foolmor0n
10/03/11 10:23:00 AM
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DKC2 is the most overrated in the sense that most people say:
DKC2 >>>>>>>>>> DKC1
when really it is more like:
DKC2 > DKC1

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masterplum
10/03/11 10:23:00 AM
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DKC 2>=DKC 3 > DKC = DKCR

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Charlie_SHINE
10/03/11 10:24:00 AM
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*finished the game 100% with no control problems*


I sometimes think you guys look for problems that aren't there just so you can have something to complain about!

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Weakupedia
10/03/11 10:24:00 AM
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even with the controls it's pretty awesome

i don't know why everyone always makes such a big deal about the rolling

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Liquid Wind
10/03/11 10:27:00 AM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
hack the controls like everybody else with a brain did!

if you have to mod the game to make it playable you can't say that the actual game is that good. this is a pattern developing with nintendo as of late(lol barwl), they ought to just make the wii U officially support mods because their fans are better game designers than they are at this point.
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foolmor0n
10/03/11 10:28:00 AM
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From: GuessMyUserName | #018
DKCR completely stomps the rest of the games in level design


Not true. The one level that matched DKC1/2s level of quality was 7-1, the first factory level. Brilliant level. Used the new and unique DKCR technologies and style to its advantage, non-Diddy platforming wasn't ass, beautiful graphics. Why couldn't the entire game be that good? Or at least more than just one level?

Anyways, the problem with the controls isn't just the motion controls... SMG had waggle and it was perfectly fine. It was just unfair most of the time. Back when I played it a year ago I had more concrete examples, but in general, playing with Diddy is so incredibly easier than without. That is not good design for a game.

In DKC2, I almost always used Diddy, because even though Dixie had the float, it was really weak, and Diddy ran faster. There were different situations for each character. In DKCR, if you don't have Diddy, you might as well just quit and return when you have him because it's just less fun without him. I'm not just talking about the temples either.

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TheKoolAidShoto
10/03/11 10:29:00 AM
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DKC1 = DKC2 >> DKC3

wat

and DKCR may just be the best game in the series, its level design and platforming its at the very least the best in the series, hands down. I think I personally prefer the general aesthic and presentation of DKC2 more.

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Liquid Wind
10/03/11 10:29:00 AM
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even with diddy DKCR never feels as good as the original trilogy, the mechanics are just wrong.
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pjbasis
10/03/11 10:30:00 AM
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The pigs in the checkpoints are the worst design to ever brace the series.
They actually almost infuriate me at how bad looking they are.
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GuessMyUserName
10/03/11 10:31:00 AM
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From: Liquid Wind | Posted: 10/3/2011 1:26:00 PM | #025
GuessMyUserName posted...
hack the controls like everybody else with a brain did!

if you have to mod the game to make it playable you can't say that the actual game is that good.


It's an incredibly small modification. It's like, the smallest mod known to main, it really doesn't change.

I COULD play with regular controls.. but why do that when I can just put in the B button tweak.


And "if a game gets mods you can't call it a good game" has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. My entire PC gaming experience is 90% devoted to game mods. And aren't you hyping up an Elder Scrolls game?

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Liquid Wind
10/03/11 10:33:00 AM
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It's an incredibly small modification. It's like, the smallest mod known to main, it really doesn't change.

I COULD play with regular controls.. but why do that when I can just put in the B button tweak.

this is a simple button switch, while the waggle is annoying it isn't even the core of the problem. the rolling mechanic, no matter how you input it, isn't as fun and fluid as the SNES games were

And aren't you hyping up an Elder Scrolls game?

hell no, skyrim is going to disappoint so many people on a level not seen since twilight princess and brawl lmao
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foolmor0n
10/03/11 10:33:00 AM
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Also, no Kremlings... the **** is up with that?
DKC RETURNS with no Kremlings?

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TheKoolAidShoto
10/03/11 10:34:00 AM
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GMUN, shut the f*** up about the modded controls stuff. The controls work they way they are in the actual game, no modded required. I have all Shiny Golds to prove it. You move, you shake the stick, you roll. End of f***ing story. Would I have prefered a classic controller for the game? Yes. Are you a f***ing idiot if you can't figure out something so simple as "durr hurr move then shake to roll"? Also yes

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foolmor0n
10/03/11 10:34:00 AM
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From: GuessMyUserName | #030
And "if a game gets mods you can't call it a good game" has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. My entire PC gaming experience is 90% devoted to game mods. And aren't you hyping up an Elder Scrolls game?


He's prob one of those people who gets mad when people play Brawl+ or something. Just ignore him.

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Liquid Wind
10/03/11 10:34:00 AM
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being able to finish the game does not mean the controls are good.
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TheKoolAidShoto
10/03/11 10:35:00 AM
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And you being bad at the game does not mean the controls are bad

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Liquid Wind
10/03/11 10:36:00 AM
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He's prob one of those people who gets mad when people play Brawl+ or something. Just ignore him.

I've played a lot of modded brawl actually! brawl is still a bad game though, even if brawl- is amazing as ****
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GuessMyUserName
10/03/11 10:36:00 AM
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From: Liquid Wind | Posted: 10/3/2011 1:33:01 PM | #031
this is a simple button switch, while the waggle is annoying it isn't even the core of the problem. the rolling mechanic, no matter how you input it, isn't as fun and fluid as the SNES games were


.... what?

holy crap major disagree. Rolling in DKCR is awesoooome. Spamming roll jumps and completely blasthing through a level at the high speed of rolling is awesome. Then if you have Diddy & Donkey you can roll indefinitely and it's a god damn blast

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Liquid Wind
10/03/11 10:36:00 AM
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And you being bad at the game does not mean the controls are bad

I finished it in like 2 days IIRC, it not being fun =/= it being difficult
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foolmor0n
10/03/11 10:37:00 AM
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The infinite roll is one of the good additions to the controls, but once again, only being able to use it with Diddy is bad design.

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GuessMyUserName
10/03/11 10:39:00 AM
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From: foolmor0n | Posted: 10/3/2011 1:37:52 PM | #040
but once again, only being able to use it with Diddy is bad design.


In this case, gotta disagree again. I like the fact that you need both to do the super rolling. It's an incredible ability, you shouldn't just be able to do it solo.

Diddy's jetpack I'll give you, but super rolling is fine.

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Liquid Wind
10/03/11 10:39:00 AM
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I like how you have to hack everything nintendo does these days to make it good

brawl
DKCR
TP

**** you literally can't even play the one good game they put out this year without hacking if you're an american -_-
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TheKoolAidShoto
10/03/11 10:43:00 AM
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The infinite roll is a reward for not being hit and having both characters. It is neither necessary for completion of any level in the game nor is always the best method of travel. The vast majority of the game's levels are built with you starting the level with DK alone, as evident in the Time Trial section of the game.

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foolmor0n
10/03/11 10:52:00 AM
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From: GuessMyUserName | #041
In this case, gotta disagree again. I like the fact that you need both to do the super rolling. It's an incredible ability, you shouldn't just be able to do it solo.

Diddy's jetpack I'll give you, but super rolling is fine.


I'll concede to this one, for the reasons shoto mentioned as well.

I still don't like a game that punishes you for not doing well by making the game less fun. It should punish you in a way that maintains the level of fun, or increases the level of desire to win or something. This game just makes you want to stop playing.

Even worse, the game doesn't just make it less fun if you're not doing that well, it makes it less fun if you don't have Diddy. You need to get an optional powerup before you can even begin having a good level of fun. Bad design.

This is especially evident in the temples, because when you die you start off with DK and there are no Diddy boxes. I don't have a problem with the difficulty, I really liked those levels, but one of them I spent like 40 tries doing it with DK... I memorized it a lot, learned it, still failed many times when trying to avoid the bees or something. Went and got Diddy and beat it effortlessly in one go. Bad design.

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Weakupedia
10/03/11 10:55:00 AM
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foolmor0n posted...
From: GuessMyUserName | #041
In this case, gotta disagree again. I like the fact that you need both to do the super rolling. It's an incredible ability, you shouldn't just be able to do it solo.

Diddy's jetpack I'll give you, but super rolling is fine.
I'll concede to this one, for the reasons shoto mentioned as well.

I still don't like a game that punishes you for not doing well by making the game less fun. It should punish you in a way that maintains the level of fun, or increases the level of desire to win or something. This game just makes you want to stop playing.

Even worse, the game doesn't just make it less fun if you're not doing that well, it makes it less fun if you don't have Diddy. You need to get an optional powerup before you can even begin having a good level of fun. Bad design.

This is especially evident in the temples, because when you die you start off with DK and there are no Diddy boxes. I don't have a problem with the difficulty, I really liked those levels, but one of them I spent like 40 tries doing it with DK... I memorized it a lot, learned it, still failed many times when trying to avoid the bees or something. Went and got Diddy and beat it effortlessly in one go. Bad design.

dkcr was still fun with only DK i don't know what you're talking about

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BIGPUN9999
10/03/11 10:57:00 AM
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What about DKRDS

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TheKoolAidShoto
10/03/11 11:07:00 AM
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I understand kinda what you mean, foolmo. That's always been my problem with the later Metal Slugs versus the earlier ones, in that because of its new weapon system, they don't tier out the weapon pick-ups like the old days, so there could be big stretches of the game where you're forced to just rely on your starting pistol against very tough opponents. Possible, but tedious and not as fun.

But with DKCR, I never felt like I was outmatched with DK alone. Hell, sometimes I felt I was cheating the experience a bit by using the jetpack, a handicap to make up for me mistiming a jump or making a bad decision. Every single level in the game can be beat with DK and DK alone, through a combination of basic platforming game skills(memorization of the level, proper utilization of the protagonist's jump heights, his relation to the enemies through collision detection, etc). And its not a Contra/Metal Slug, "Oh so you got hit, now it takes three times as long to beat this boss without your cool weapons". Pretty much every level can be completed in three minutes or less on even an average, non-speed run playthrough. Its harder without Diddy, but kinda in the same way that its harder to beat a boss without God Mode activated.

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CharCustomZaku
10/03/11 11:56:00 AM
#48:


DKC > DKC3 > DKCR > DKC2

DKC2 overrated.

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foolmor0n
10/03/11 12:07:00 PM
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From: TheKoolAidShoto | #047
Hell, sometimes I felt I was cheating the experience a bit by using the jetpack


Yes! Exactly. It's kind of strange. When I play with just DK, I feel gimped. When I play with Diddy, I feel overpowered.

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