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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 11:28:00 AM
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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 11:31:00 AM
#402:


Strongly disagree on that. It's true that One Winged Angel has picked up haters over time, but music isn't like games and doesn't "get dated

yes it does get dated, for the same reasons "games" do. people knock FFVII for having low resolution lego character models, petty graphics complaints basically. do you think that FFVII has sound quality comparable to games of today? FFVII was dated when it first came out actually, it uses the psx's general MIDI bank which actually sounds like a step down from the samples uematsu was using in FFVI IMO. these samples are especially bad for attempting epic symphonic music, the poor sample quality is more exposed in one winged angel than any other song on the OST that I can think of. original OWA is grating to listen to and has been for all intents and purposes replaced by the vastly superior AC version
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SuperAngelo128
09/28/11 11:31:00 AM
#403:


People still really like dkc2 and sonic 3 and knux songs

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KanzarisKelshen
09/28/11 11:34:00 AM
#405:


From: Liquid Wind | #401
Strongly disagree on that. It's true that One Winged Angel has picked up haters over time, but music isn't like games and doesn't "get dated

yes it does get dated, for the same reasons "games" do. people knock FFVII for having low resolution lego character models, petty graphics complaints basically. do you think that FFVII has sound quality comparable to games of today? FFVII was dated when it first came out actually, it uses the psx's general MIDI bank which actually sounds like a step down from the samples uematsu was using in FFVI IMO. these samples are especially bad for attempting epic symphonic music, the poor sample quality is more exposed in one winged angel than any other song on the OST that I can think of. original OWA is grating to listen to and has been for all intents and purposes replaced by the vastly superior AC version


This is like arguing the Beatles original 4 or 8-track pieces suck because they don't have a 24-track level of quality. That is, it's nonsense. Music, barring some truly, exceptionally noticeable issues (King Crimson's Earthbound is an example of this), doesn't end up dated just because it hasn't been remastered to modern standards.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/28/11 11:34:00 AM
#406:


Since the .Hack question reminded me: is the material from the Guilty Gear Sound Complete box allowed? It is billed as the soundtrack to the game it came bundled from after all, and has some amazing pieces. If that one's allowed we should almost certainly use AC+ instead of GGX.

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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 11:35:00 AM
#407:


b8 is a very self conscious board that likes doesn't like supporting extremely popular things like FFVII or OoT, no surprise there really.
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Advokaiser
09/28/11 11:39:00 AM
#408:


I'm gonna tag this, but the nominating and SPECIALLY supporting other games looks too complicated for me.

Do we at least have a list of nominated games so far, so I can support them?

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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 11:40:00 AM
#409:


This is like arguing the Beatles original 4 or 8-track pieces suck because they don't have a 24-track level of quality.

actually there is a rather large contingent of people out there that claim that older music(recorded, not sequenced with samples like video games) sounds better because the slight imperfections in the sound make it more organic, where digitally recorded music may be perfect in terms of fidelity but it's sterile and people like the coloring that antique equipment creates

either way, the orchestral samples used for OWA are horrid and were bad even by that era's standards, it was just a big deal because of the latin chanting and uematsu's skill as a composer. I suspected OWA would bomb here and ed has confirmed it, there's no reason to include it on the track list.
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KanzarisKelshen
09/28/11 11:41:00 AM
#410:


From: Liquid Wind | #408
This is like arguing the Beatles original 4 or 8-track pieces suck because they don't have a 24-track level of quality.

actually there is a rather large contingent of people out there that claim that older music(recorded, not sequenced with samples like video games) sounds better because the slight imperfections in the sound make it more organic, where digitally recorded music may be perfect in terms of fidelity but it's sterile and people like the coloring that antique equipment creates


I'm actually part of this group of people, in the sense that editing the organic 'screwups' in rhythm and melody that emerge from playing the instruments/singing normally weakens a piece, though not to the extent of saying that you HAVE to use crap equipment. In any case, my point is that sound quality isn't much of a problem unless it's beyond terrible and sounds like someone stuffed a camera into their pocket and used that as a master recording.

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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 11:46:00 AM
#412:


In any case, my point is that sound quality isn't much of a problem unless it's beyond terrible and sounds like someone stuffed a camera into their pocket and used that as a master recording.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the samples in OWA were recorded with a similar method, especially the brass section but some of the others are also very suspect, the winds are used way out range at times and the resampling is very obvious. symphonic music is very difficult to fake especially with terrible samples like that, I actually LIKE and have stood up for FFVII using poor samples in a lot of cases but not with this song, it doesn't work.
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KanzarisKelshen
09/28/11 11:47:00 AM
#413:


From: Liquid Wind | #412
In any case, my point is that sound quality isn't much of a problem unless it's beyond terrible and sounds like someone stuffed a camera into their pocket and used that as a master recording.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the samples in OWA were recorded with a similar method, especially the brass section but some of the others are also very suspect, the winds are used way out range at times and the resampling is very obvious. symphonic music is very difficult to fake especially with terrible samples like that, I actually LIKE and have stood up for FFVII using poor samples in a lot of cases but not with this song, it doesn't work.


Fair enough. Let's call this a taste difference, since your points are entirely valid.

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diamondh76
09/28/11 11:58:00 AM
#414:


Forgot Vampire Killer, the other songs aren't good enough IMO.

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5. Dracula's Castle -
6. Bloody Tears -
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WazzupGenius00
09/28/11 12:19:00 PM
#415:


Support VVVVVV, but I really think Piercing the Sky should be in the main set somewhere, maybe over Popular Potpourri. Unless your idea was putting the best song in the game as the tiebreaker to guarantee victory in case a match comes to a tie!

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ZaziGuado
09/28/11 12:28:00 PM
#416:


From: Kotetsu534 | #389
FFX's entry should probably have the Ending Theme switched in for Between Ordeals (as the Alt.).



Ending Theme is a top 5 track for me on the OST. I elected not to use it because the melody is already represented in To Zanarkand, and nobody (that I've ever heard of) actually enjoys the Hymn of the Fayth melody enough. Plus, you have the point at the end where the song drags a bit and the track just overall isn't as strong of a nomination.

From: Liquid Wind | #391
I didn't really look at FFX's track list but I disagree with any assertion that between ordeals should be on it, that song is obnoxious



Between Ordeals is a mid-tier track to me. I chose to include it to give the playlist a broader taste of FFX's OST. If we are trying to determine best OST, then I feel Between Ordeals is defining enough of a track to be included. It's hard to explain. If it were up to me, there'd only be, like three melodies represented. I wanted to avoid that by nominating a playlist that would give a larger scope of the game's music.

I still don't fully understand the purpose of the "alternate" position, though, so I'm not sure if having Between Ordeals as the alternate is good or not. I treated it as a 7th slot for a song that would come before the first listed one on the playlist if alternates were added to the contest.

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SuperAngelo128
09/28/11 12:49:00 PM
#417:


I like between ordeals

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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 12:57:00 PM
#418:


it's not really horrible, but there's so much better stuff on FFX's soundtrack. just at a quick glance

attack
battle
besaid island
enemy attack
fantasy
macalania forest
movement in green
otherworld(obviously I'm not suggesting this though, anti vocal bias + death metal grunting = bad times)
scorching desert(overlooked track, I could loop this forever)
seymour battle
someday the dream will end
mi'hen highway
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KanzarisKelshen
09/28/11 1:00:00 PM
#419:


Otherworld hidden beast and Scars of Time slayer, book it

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Ultimaphazon
09/28/11 1:44:00 PM
#420:


Otherworld terrible and should not be used. But neither should "between ordeals" tbh.

On top of the songs that have already been mentioned, there's also Decisive Battle (I'm not its biggest fan, but I know a lot of people love it), Rikku's Theme, and a personal favorite of mine, The Men who live for Blitz.

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SuperAngelo128
09/28/11 1:59:00 PM
#421:


woah we'll need a 2nd topic before the week ends

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ZFS
09/28/11 2:02:00 PM
#422:


Nominate: Mass Effect (360)

1) Virmire Ride --
2) M4 Part II --
3) Love Theme --
4) Noveria --
5) From the Wreckage --
6) Vigil --
Alt) Uncharted Worlds --

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KCF0107
09/28/11 2:04:00 PM
#423:


No Spectre Induction for Mass Effect?

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KCF0107
09/28/11 2:05:00 PM
#424:


Luis_Sera89 posted...
I like Blackburn too, but that one's kind of ambient.

Yeah, I don't think Blackburn would be well-received here

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ZFS
09/28/11 2:10:00 PM
#425:


Oh, hey, I forgot that one. Yeah, that has to be on there.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/28/11 2:11:00 PM
#426:


From: KCF0107 | #424
Luis_Sera89 posted...
I like Blackburn too, but that one's kind of ambient.

Yeah, I don't think Blackburn would be well-received here


Blackburn made a contest before, so go knock yourself out looking at its performances!

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KCF0107
09/28/11 2:39:00 PM
#427:


It lost by 40 to a retired song I guess in VGMC3. Still doesn't seem good enough to put in

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ZaziGuado
09/28/11 2:40:00 PM
#428:


If a consensus can be made on a track other than Between Ordeals for the alternate spot, I'm willing to change it. I think the problem a lot of people coukd potentially have with Between Ordeals is the memories it conjures up.

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SuperAngelo128
09/28/11 2:51:00 PM
#429:


I actually thought the FFX puzzles were interesting

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Justin_Crossing
09/28/11 2:59:00 PM
#430:


WoW
1. Legends of Azeroth -
2. The Shaping of the World -
3. Nightsong -
4. Invincible -
5. Song of Elune -
6. Call to Arms -
Alt: Stormwind -

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Celtic Guardian 7
09/28/11 2:59:00 PM
#431:


I like Hymn of the Fayth. I may be the only one though. XD

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Celtic Guardian 7
09/28/11 3:00:00 PM
#432:


Oh yeah, question, is our final date to change things the seventh day of nominations? Just thinking I'd repost my final lists then if so.

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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 3:09:00 PM
#433:


I like hymn of the faith(some versions more than others) but I wouldn't recommend it for a b8 contest(lol vocals)

this board is stupid but it is what it is
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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 3:11:00 PM
#434:


anyway here are my recommendations, lets narrow this down to get something better in there!

attack
battle
enemy attack
fantasy
macalania forest
scorching desert
mi'hen highway
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Celtic Guardian 7
09/28/11 3:22:00 PM
#435:


Liquid Wind posted...
anyway here are my recommendations, lets narrow this down to get something better in there!

attack
battle
enemy attack
fantasy
macalania forest
scorching desert
mi'hen highway


Nice choices in terms of good music. Scorching Desert is overlooked a lot, so kudos for mentioning it. Sadly I doubt it would do well due to it probably falling into the ambient category. I sort of hesitate with Macalania Forest for the same reason. Mi'ihen Highway depends a lot, I think, on reception to the 'bouncy' parts. Enemy Attack might be seen as a generic boss theme, though I like it more than that. For whatever reason, I can't find Battle and Fantasy on Youtube, so yeah. Attack has a lot of potential, I think that would probably be my vote.

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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 3:26:00 PM
#436:


yeah I could agree, I love good ambient music quite a bit but I could see where it might not be a popular choice. mi'hen highway is strange as all hell but that's what I love about it...battle should be findable on youtube, it's possible fantasy is a mistranslation...a lot of my OSTs seem to have been translated very literally or weirdly(makalanya forest, makou reactor, joze temple...)

battle


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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 3:30:00 PM
#437:


found it, apparently it's actually "phantoms", it's also pretty ambient style though


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sonten1
09/28/11 3:31:00 PM
#438:


long live ambient

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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 3:32:00 PM
#439:


listening to what remains I am also supporting attack to replace between ordeals
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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 3:34:00 PM
#440:


heeeeeeeeells yes

this board is so weird, how can you be anti vocals AND anti ambient? do you guys just hate the sound of a human voice? <_<
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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 3:35:00 PM
#441:


**** YEAH

support vote for goldeneye
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SuperAngelo128
09/28/11 3:35:00 PM
#442:


support Goldeneye007

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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 3:38:00 PM
#443:


I think I might do a PD remix soon because of your nomination

saw some battlefield 3 footage today, god I miss the N64 more with every modern console FPS that comes out...
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Celtic Guardian 7
09/28/11 3:40:00 PM
#444:


I figured that's what you meant by Battle. I think Attack is stronger than it for this. Phantoms is really nice, but yeah, ambient. I love a lot of ambient music so it is a pity they would probably fall flat in this.

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todbot1
09/28/11 3:42:00 PM
#445:


yesss support Goldeneye 007

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Liquid Wind
09/28/11 3:45:00 PM
#446:


grant kirkhope is underrated, everyone should also check his perfect dark nomination and listen to some of that too!
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SubDeity
09/28/11 3:48:00 PM
#447:


Support Goldeneye, but Depot should replace one of those tracks (Silo, perhaps?).

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Mega Mana
09/28/11 3:55:00 PM
#448:


EDITED IN SUPPORTS AND A FORM OF DEPOT

NOMINATE GOLDENEYE 007
1) Caverns -
2) Multiplayer 4 -
3) Surface 1 -
4) Frigate -
5) Cradle -
6) Runway -
A) Dam -

Support:
Guilty Gear X
Metroid Prime
Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden
Final Fantasy Tactics
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Haste_2
09/28/11 3:59:00 PM
#449:


Nobody can call themselves an SNES music connoisseur until they've heard the Axelay OST. So good!

Nomination: Axelay
1. Unkai -
2. Burning -
3. Colony -
4. Silence -
5. Mother -
6. Biotech -
Alt. Cosmos -

Ordering them was too difficult.

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xp1337
09/28/11 4:03:00 PM
#450:


I guess I will give .hack//G.U. Vol 1 a shot, but I am completely wide open on suggestions here because restricted to just Volume 1 completely tore apart my plans here, and I don't really like any part of this new one too much, but I'm not sure what else I can do to improve it.

Nomination: .hack//G.U. Vol 1//Rebirth

1. Everything In These Hands -
2. Gentle Hands -
3. Abyss Quest Battle -
4. Opening Demo -
5. 'She' -
6. Location of Power -
Alt. Difference Between People -

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