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Lockes Ragnarok
07/10/11 12:05:00 PM
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I watched this show all the time when I was really young. Apparently it started airing the year after I was born so I don't remember much. I do remember two episodes though, and I decided to watch this s*** so I can find them for the nostalgia trip. I have no clue where they are in the series, so it can happen at any time. Any time Just going to do small writeups since there's like 177 episodes (thanks Netflix),

Episode 1 and 2: Encounter at Farpoint
This was a pretty good introduction to the series. The ending left me feeling good; this series is going to be alright. Things I noticed from this opening episode are: Patrick Stewart is the man (as if we didn't know that already), Data is a really awesome character, there's some hilariously bad acting outside of Patrick Stewart.

Episode 3: The Naked Now
One of the worst episodes of anything I've ever seen. And I loved it. Hilariously bad. Kind of like watching Thankskilling. Data gets some ass while we watch some of the worst acting ever. Seriously, these actors are the worst at acting drunk. I'm beginning to wonder if "hilariously bad" is going to be a recurring them for this show.

Episode 4: Code of Honor
My first thought: there are no attractive women on this show, so why does this dude want to f*** Lt. Yar so badly? That alien race was really annoying. Picard should have just stolen Yar back and blew their asses up. Not too bad of an episode when you compare it to the last one, but it was pretty bad as far as normal standards go.

I'm not sure how often I'll update this, if at all, but that was fun I guess.
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Jeff Zero
07/10/11 12:06:00 PM
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Well those are four of the worst hours in the series but there's a lot of bad left before you get to anything good.

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Jeff Zero
07/10/11 12:07:00 PM
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And yeah, I care. TAG.

Do watch DS9 when it arrives October 1st though.

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Pokewars
07/10/11 12:21:00 PM
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Tag. Loves me some TNG.

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SmartMuffin
07/10/11 12:26:00 PM
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Season one is pretty awful. Season two might be even worse. Three is okay, but things don't really pick up until around four.

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Iamdead7
07/10/11 12:26:00 PM
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yeah, the series gets waaaaaay better later on

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Jeff Zero
07/10/11 12:27:00 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
Season one is pretty awful. Season two might be even worse. Three is okay, but things don't really pick up until around four.

I agree with you... Muffin.

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banananor
07/10/11 12:29:00 PM
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Let me spoil you (not really):

The series never gets good. It's just that you become so used to the characters that you eventually enjoy watching them walk through whatever stupid, nonsensical plot is laid in front of them. And I guess at least the characters are consistently portrayed.

But I was still facepalming in the final season quite a bit. It's an enjoyable series for watching in a group and laughing at or generally commenting on/blogging about (which you're doing), so I think you're all set..

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Iamdead7
07/10/11 12:31:00 PM
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watch the movies too f*** yeah First Contact

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Jeff Zero
07/10/11 12:33:00 PM
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Nah, there are definitely a good twenty-five or so episodes in its lengthy run (all of which from the third season onward with the exception of the second season's out-of-nowhere out-of-the-ballpark "The Measure of a Man") that are genuinely thought-provoking television.

It's just that -- like I said -- it's so utterly uneven about it even after it gets 'good' that there are at least a few episodes every season where you go 'eh, not again!'

And yes, the final season definitely has more duds than anything since the second one but there are a few really high points that keep it above water nevertheless. Including a rather stellar series finale that manages to poke a bit of fun at the budget and direction of the series premiere.


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Jeff Zero
07/10/11 12:33:00 PM
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Iamdead7 posted...
watch the movies too f*** yeah First Contact

This is a novel suggestion. "First Contact" is definitely a top five TNG crew experience.

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SmartMuffin
07/10/11 12:34:00 PM
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Yeah, 4-5-6 are the seasons where you have mostly good episodes, but every season has at least a few duds.

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Jeff Zero
07/10/11 12:36:00 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
Yeah, 4-5-6 are the seasons where you have mostly good episodes, but every season has at least a few duds.

I'm so glad you're not one of the legion of Trek viewers who thinks the third season is the high point. I'll never understand that. Everything about it still feels like it's getting its legs, even if there are some fine episodes here and there.

The characters still don't have the chemistry they'd soon receive either.

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banananor
07/10/11 12:41:00 PM
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I mean, I love the series at this point, but I still have trouble recommending it to people with a straight face. But yeah, it absolutely improves... a lot... from the early seasons. It's a gradual growth.

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Jeff Zero
07/10/11 12:45:00 PM
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banananor posted...
I mean, I love the series at this point, but I still have trouble recommending it to people with a straight face. But yeah, it absolutely improves... a lot... from the early seasons. It's a gradual growth.

Out of curiosity, do you enjoy any of the other series/films much?

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Anagram
07/10/11 12:49:00 PM
#16:


I made a TNG watchthrough topic like two years ago, tag.

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Jeff Zero
07/10/11 12:51:00 PM
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Anagram posted...
I made a TNG watchthrough topic like two years ago, tag.

Yeah, you did.

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Lockes Ragnarok
07/10/11 4:48:00 PM
#18:


Huh, a surprising amount of interest. I'll have to keep at this then
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OmarsComin
07/10/11 4:53:00 PM
#19:


good show. 4-6 are really good, 3 and 7 are pretty good. 1 and 2 are unfortunate.
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banananor
07/10/11 6:30:00 PM
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Out of curiosity, do you enjoy any of the other series/films much?

Really slow response here, but... it's actually been a while since I've seen a lot of the series. They all have their own special brand of cheesiness. The only one I'm completely in the dark about is deep space nine, which sounds a little different (it has an overarching storyline, or at least appears to).

Short answer... I've seen a lot of the original series and the next generation, a little bit of the scott bakula one and voyager. I've watched a lot of the ones that I liked a lot.

Probably the worst in quality was... the scott bakula one. I'm not sure what exactly was wrong with it, but I think it had something to do with stilted acting/dialogue/scripting. Sometimes it felt like its intended audience was people who were thirty when the original series first aired and sixty when this one was produced.

The Next Generation grew on me. I love the characters, but end up pulling my hair out when episodes would start off okay and then the resolution would end up being a non-sequitur, completely nonsensical or just not believable. And always sooo convenient... I just deleted some potential spoilers and will just kinda let you gather your own impressions.

Voyager has the same issues with not as strong of a crew, but it feels campier (which makes up for it somewhat, gives it a different niche).

It's been a long time since I've seen the original series, but I really enjoyed it. It's dated as all hell, and funny to see the inherent racism/sexism/patriotism/religious standards of the era shine through. It's absolutely cheesy, and each episode's premise was pretty ridiculous, but they would always be resolved in believable and consistent ways. It's hard to explain. There was also pretty good acting sometimes, unless I'm just misremembering.

Original series movies were mixed (some very good), Next Generation movies were all bad.

Anyway, you can tell I've spent enough time watching this stuff with friends and family that it has a special place in my heart and I actually really have to recommend them if you've made it all the way through this post. So I guess it's bad, but lovably bad.

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OmarsComin
07/10/11 6:38:00 PM
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a moon is falling on the planet and it's gonna kill everybody. luckily I have a gravimetric oscillator that I can invert to emit an energy pulse that should theoretically be able to save the day. "how does that sound, Mr Data?" "with a few modifications it should theoretically work, captain." "well then gentlemen, let's get that oscillator inverted so we can resolve this episode."
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Icehawk
07/10/11 6:40:00 PM
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Lockes, I just watched the first ep on netflix so yeah, I'll give some thoughts too! Though I'm concentrating more on the original series right now.

I liked the Pilot quite a bit, Q is pretty fascinating, and it seems to have a pretty solid cast. My fav was actually the first officer guy

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OmarsComin
07/10/11 6:43:00 PM
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Q gets a lot better later in the series. if you like him early, you should love him by the end!
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Icehawk
07/10/11 6:50:00 PM
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he seems a bit like this show's spock, in terms of they use him to analyze various behaviors of humans. except well, he is a lot more douchey about it!

I don't necessarily "like" him, I just find him interesting as of right now.

also am I weird for liking the first officer the most early on? does he have many fans?

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SmartMuffin
07/10/11 6:51:00 PM
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Icehawk would like Riker...

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SmartMuffin
07/10/11 6:51:00 PM
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ESPECIALLY pre-Beard Riker

disgusting!

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Icehawk
07/10/11 6:55:00 PM
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hes decidedly the least one-dimensional character through 1 episode!

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SmartMuffin
07/10/11 6:56:00 PM
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He's p bad but I suppose he's the alpha of the ship so it makes sense that you'd like him!

I'd guess he's among the least popular of the main characters, but what do I know!

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Icehawk
07/10/11 6:57:00 PM
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yeah my favorite part about him was he already has plans to screw crusher and psychic chick

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Icehawk
07/10/11 6:58:00 PM
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side note. dr. crusher.

amazing name for a dr

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Lockes Ragnarok
07/10/11 7:23:00 PM
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Icehawk posted...
Lockes, I just watched the first ep on netflix so yeah, I'll give some thoughts too! Though I'm concentrating more on the original series right now.

I liked the Pilot quite a bit, Q is pretty fascinating, and it seems to have a pretty solid cast. My fav was actually the first officer guy


Yeah, Q is a pretty interesting character. I'm sure he'll pop up from time to time. He's gotta keep that mystique! The main cast of characters is awesome, even if the actors that play them are terrible. They aren't terrible in a bad way though...there's a charm about this show that makes me want to keep watching it, and the acting is a big part of it. I think.
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Icehawk
07/10/11 7:25:00 PM
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yeah by cast I more meant I like the characters. the acting is kind of bad, but it is in kind of a charming way I agree

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banananor
07/10/11 7:30:00 PM
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Ha, yeah, data is god mode. It's too bad they couldn't stick him in the replicator. I forget how they explained that.

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Lockes Ragnarok
07/10/11 8:48:00 PM
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Episode 5: The Last Outpost
Oh hey, an episode that was legitimately good. Riker slayed here, and he rose a few notches after watching this. The Ferengi suck and I wish very bad things upon them, the Tkon dude was pretty cool, though. The acting wasn't so bad, and the plot was solid. Looks like they realized that they can make quality episodes on top of the ridiculous and cheesy ones. Don't get me wrong, this was still cheesy, but it was better outside of cheesiness. I think Data is still my favorite character, though Geordi and Riker are up there too. Also, I just remembered that I had a Geordi action figure when I was little. I lost his visor.
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SovietOmega
07/10/11 9:25:00 PM
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Yeah, iirc the ferangi were supposed to be the main threat like the klingons were in tos, but they were just so goofy or something they quickly got relegated to a 'comic' relief race. i say 'comic' because they are more groan inducing than funny, but they do have some neat moments (mainly with quark on ds9).

Give them a few years to get into their roles, and things will definitely improve, not that quality acting is particularly necessary for a show containing high concepts over character depth. Picard rarely will disappoint, nor will Data. The rest of the crew varies more.

Keep at it, because they don't quite make shows that have this level of intelligence put into them these days.

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OmarsComin
07/10/11 9:42:00 PM
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the Ferengi really suck early TNG, are iffy late TNG, and completely awesome in DS9
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SmartMuffin
07/10/11 9:44:00 PM
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I can't tell whether I'm supposed to like the Ferengi because they're capitalists, or hate them because they're poorly conceived straw-man capitalists...

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OmarsComin
07/10/11 10:40:00 PM
#38:


I always heard they were jew stand ins
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Jeff Zero
07/11/11 2:12:00 AM
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Really slow response here, but...


Ah, alright. That's cool. Thanks for the reply. I'd definitely recommend giving DS9 a whirl someday if you're ever bored. It's no secret that it's my favorite -- it was a somewhat early pioneer of arc-based television.

It isn't until the latter years that it gets really serialized, but there are seeds being planted from the pilot onward.

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Jeff Zero
07/11/11 2:14:00 AM
#40:


Icehawk posted...
yeah by cast I more meant I like the characters. the acting is kind of bad, but it is in kind of a charming way I agree

The acting gets so much better later. The Ferengi get so much better in DS9. The characters get so much better (and in DS9.)

Oh man, you two, everything gets so much better. I'm really happy to see you're already enjoying it for what it is because it just... yeah.

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Jeff Zero
07/11/11 2:17:00 AM
#41:


SovietOmega posted...
Yeah, iirc the ferangi were supposed to be the main threat like the klingons were in tos, but they were just so goofy or something they quickly got relegated to a 'comic' relief race. i say 'comic' because they are more groan inducing than funny, but they do have some neat moments (mainly with quark on ds9).

Give them a few years to get into their roles, and things will definitely improve, not that quality acting is particularly necessary for a show containing high concepts over character depth. Picard rarely will disappoint, nor will Data. The rest of the crew varies more.

Keep at it, because they don't quite make shows that have this level of intelligence put into them these days.


Soviet, man, why don't you and I hang out more?

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Icehawk
07/11/11 6:07:00 AM
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saw Naked Now last night. I can't believe they already referenced the original Star Trek, didn't take long! If you are going to do an episode like this, you really should wait a little longer to develop the characters first, so that them acting "intoxicated" means a bit more.

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SmartMuffin
07/11/11 6:24:00 AM
#43:


Actually Icehawk you've got it totally wrong! Once you get to know the characters, having that episode pop in would completely destroy them and make you vomit in disgust! Doing it early before you realize how stupid and terrible it is, is really the only option.

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Icehawk
07/11/11 6:25:00 AM
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better option: don't do it at all!

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Icehawk
07/11/11 6:26:00 AM
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side note: are there a lot of these weird episodes where the same thing happens as in the original series? I noticed a few episode titles that are slight spin offs of episode titles from the original

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SmartMuffin
07/11/11 6:30:00 AM
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Early on they tried to rely on the original series way too much. Around season 3-4 they kinda grow into their own thing and (mostly) cut that out.

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Jeff Zero
07/11/11 6:31:00 AM
#47:


Icehawk posted...
side note: are there a lot of these weird episodes where the same thing happens as in the original series? I noticed a few episode titles that are slight spin offs of episode titles from the original

I can't emphasize how bad the first season is enough, I really can't. You're going to see a few more blatant nods (ripoffs) and none of them are going to live up to what you remember from TOS.

"The Naked Now" is pretty abysmal but "Justice" gives it a run for its money too.

Things get so much better, augh. At the same time, the writers are going to find far better ways to carry the TOS torch.

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Icehawk
07/11/11 6:34:00 AM
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I'm only a few episodes in, but one thing I really like early on is that they have a much larger and more fleshed out cast. So they already have more to work with. TOS had 3 of the best characters ever, but kind of made a situation where anything not involving them was kind of bad.

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Jeff Zero
07/11/11 6:42:00 AM
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I've always been a bigger fan of ensembles.

Really, if I could just throw Leonard Nimoy into TNG full-time I'd be pretty damn happy. Brent Spiner's Data makes up for it though.

IMO IMO

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Lockes Ragnarok
07/11/11 10:56:00 AM
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Episode 6: Where No One Has Gone Before
Another episode that I thought was legitimately good. The Traveler was a cool character, and was that foreshadowing about Wesley? After watching this, I can tell that Star Trek is/has been a huge influence on certain other shows -- this could have easily been an episode of Futurama. The premise is similar to a couple episodes, and it would fit right in to the series perfectly. There were some interesting ideas in Where No One Has Gone Before. Stuff that really makes you think. Two good episodes in a row, can we make it three?
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