This project, however blatantly money-making as it would be, has been something of a nearly-impossible task money-wise almost on par with the old "FFVII remake" thing. Y'see, TNG was filmed in such a way that actually makes it significantly more difficult to up-convert to HD than TOS, which received Blu-Ray treatment several years ago.
Same goes for DS9 and Voyager, unfortunately -- it's just the method which was used in the 1990s that makes things arduous. And very, very expensive.
Seems TNG's enduring popularity (and its upcoming 25th anniversary) is making the impossible possible though if all the rumors swirling about lately are to be believed. The DS9 diehard in me only hopes that the technology developed to bring this about will then be used to give Sisko's crew the added shine they deserve.
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Episode 8 Justice: I actually just saw the Star Trek: TOS episode where they were on a paradise planet, and they was a pretty good ep.
This one was actually pretty good too imo. A bit predictable with Wesley breaking the law and getting sentenced to DEATH, but there were several interesting things going on, and Riker being so pumped about having endless sex was hilarious.
My main problem though was all the conclusion, there was so much build up, then finally picard says like a mini 2 sentence speech, and these crazy aliens are convinced and let them go. that was about it. I was expecting a lot more!
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Oh man, if Icehawk is enjoying episodes like "Justice" then he's either going to find damn near every episode of the later seasons unfathomably good or he'll wind up with the worst taste of all time and proclaim that the first season was better. I'm betting on the former because he has good opinions like enjoying Stargate so this seems like a no-brainer.
"Justice"... was recently torn apart rather hilariously by Wil Wheaton at a convention. He thinks it's one of the worst and I could totally see why. He kept flashing pics of Worf looking really angry to make his point. It was all in good fun but damn if it wasn't utterly true.
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I thought it had some good elements, the alien was the most interesting to me anyway. I love super future aliens, so that fascinated me. Like I said though, the climax was not handled well at all.
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Jumping into this topic, I've so far watched the first four seasons, and still have yet to get to an episode that tops "Justice" as the worst episode of the show so far. It's literally one of the worst hours of television I've ever seen. I would like to see this Wil Wheaton thing if it's available somewhere filmed (I would assume it is - either that or three or four Board 8ers who just happen to be in this topic were at the same convention). I would elaborate, but talking about that episode is not something I enjoy doing and I tend to go overboard with my hatred of it, so we'll just leave it at "I probably agree with Wil Wheaton on this one". It just felt like an abominably bad fanfiction by some sex-starved 35-year-old Trekkie who lives in his mother's basement and has no concept of good writing, to turn the old cliche up a couple notches.
But yeah, the first season is definitely the worst, and each season afterwards (at least up to 4, which is where I've watched to) is a HUGE step up from the last. 1 is terrible, 2 is getting there, 3 is good with great moments, and 4 is a pretty great season of television (with a couple low notes - The Host being the second worst episode so far....and no, I'm not counting the Season 2 finale; that's not an episode).
I barely remember most parts of the first season so I haven't really been able to comment too much yet (having replaced it with better memories of the second through fourth seasons), but I had to comment on Justice. Featuring all the characters on the whole show at their absolute dumbest.
Your opinions on the first four seasons are pretty much what the majority of Trek fans feel, myself included. Don't worry, the fifth and sixth are pretty much up there with the fourth. The seventh gets some reasonable flak for having several pretty terrible episodes but its high points match the all-time highs of the entire show and its finale is terrific.
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It's funny you should mention "The Host" in so negative a light, by the way, because much like its superior handling of the Ferengi race, DS9 has a Trill character in its main cast and does the race infinitely better.
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Here it is, KBM. Do note, Lockes and Icehawk, that I can't recall whether or not Wil references future episodes of the franchise so until KBM states otherwise it might be prudent to avoid clicking that.
It's pretty damn NSFW, by the way.
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As helpful as you were, I ended up already having found it via Google.
(By the way, any references to future episodes are very sparse and non-specific, so it's pretty safe to watch without spoiling anything major.)
But yeah, that was awesomely hilarious. Sometimes it's hard to make out what he says over legions of overreacting fans screaming in laughter, but such is the world of Comic Cons, and I'm okay with that. :p He pretty much sums up my feelings exactly, but in a less irritable light. Awesomeness.
Anyway, at some point I plan on watching through DS9 too, despite the fact that I'm a Babylon 5 fan before anything else television and thus am preordained to hate it by my fanbase - I'm definitely openminded enough to give it a go, especially with how much I've grown to love TNG in the third and (especially) fourth seasons. I wasn't too worried about dropoff, even though I have heard non-specific horror stories about episodes in the seventh season. [Edit: Never mind what was here before; it's invalid.]
And God, when the Trill come back, they'd better not resemble The Host. Like, at all. That episode was unbelievably bad. I hated it.
Vengeful_KBM posted... As helpful as you were, I ended up already having found it via Google.
(By the way, any references to future episodes are very sparse and non-specific, so it's pretty safe to watch without spoiling anything major.)
Ah, very good.
But yeah, that was awesomely hilarious. Sometimes it's hard to make out what he says over legions of overreacting fans screaming in laughter, but such is the world of Comic Cons, and I'm okay with that. :p He pretty much sums up my feelings exactly, but in a less irritable light. Awesomeness.
Haha, indeed.
Anyway, at some point I plan on watching through DS9 too, despite the fact that I'm a Babylon 5 fan before anything else television and thus am preordained to hate it by my fanbase - I'm definitely openminded enough to give it a go, especially with how much I've grown to love TNG in the third and (especially) fourth seasons.
Let me simply say this -- I grew up with both DS9 and Babylon 5. While it seems fairly blatant that Paramount took JMS' idea and ran with it against his wishes the two series become quite separate entities by the end of the first season. Especially once the major threat of DS9 is introduced; yes, it's true that DS9 is far and away the most serialized of the Trek series but its serialization and Babylon 5's serialization go in fairly different routes.
You will still see similarities. You will still shake your head from time to time at these similarities. But the casts especially are very vibrantly different. And both are immensely enjoyable. Trust me.
I wasn't too worried about dropoff, even though I have heard non-specific horror stories about episodes in the seventh season. I'm not honestly sure when I'll get around to viewing the rest of the seasons because I've been watching the show with my dad - which means I watch through it very slowly considering I'm off at college at least eight months out of the year. I might be forced to watch the last three seasons on my own.
Nothing quite like bonding with someone over good television, eh? Well 5-7 are quality enough entertainment that you probably wouldn't be too terribly against rewatching them with the father figure later on down the line.
And God, when the Trill come back, they'd better not resemble The Host. Like, at all. That episode was unbelievably bad. I hated it.
The symbiont gig is still there but by the time DS9 gets its footing the whole shebang will be handled much, much better. "The Host" is a schlocky, cheesy and utterly ridiculous episode whereas the character in DS9 is handled with significantly greater dignity.
Oh yeah, speaking of which, DS9's worst years are its first years too. But they're nowhere near as bad as early TNG. DS9's first and second seasons came to us when TNG was in its sixth and seventh so the production staff was much more refined. It's just that the series struggled a bit to identify itself out the gate (like most do) and many of the worst hours are in the first season and the middle of the second season. So bear that in mind when you get there.
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muddersmilk posted... DS9 is far and away my favorite Trek.
(I watched it before Babylon 5 and really didn't like Babylon. Maybe those fanbases really are doomed to never get along)
DS9 has a Trill character in its main cast and does the race infinitely better.
All hail Jadzia Dax!
Naw, not always. Babylon 5's first season is pretty iffy though, with some really, really bad episodes. The third and fourth seasons are ridiculously good though, I mean goddamn, really freakin' good. Right up there with DS9's fifth through seventh, easily.
And yes, Jadzia is great.
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Let me simply say this -- I grew up with both DS9 and Babylon 5. While it seems fairly blatant that Paramount took JMS' idea and ran with it against his wishes the two series become quite separate entities by the end of the first season. Especially once the major threat of DS9 is introduced; yes, it's true that DS9 is far and away the most serialized of the Trek series but its serialization and Babylon 5's serialization go in fairly different routes.
You will still see similarities. You will still shake your head from time to time at these similarities. But the casts especially are very vibrantly different. And both are immensely enjoyable. Trust me.
This being pretty much the best I can hope for. I know that Paramount ripped off the concept of Babylon 5 from JMS' pitch, but it's good to know that they end up going in different directions. It'll definitely be something that's on my list once it finally hits Netflix in, what, October or something, I think it was? (Why the hell would they put up all the Treks except the one that most people - apart from B5 fans - seem to consider the best?)
Also the dad thing no longer applies; just talked to him about it and we're both going to watch it on Netflix now since it's there and we won't have to buy really expensive DVD sets anymore. :p
As for Babylon 5, even considering that it's far and away my favorite show of all time (well, maybe not FAR and away - close seconds are The Sopranos and, yes, LOST, despite a fair number of flaws), I am willing to admit that, the first time through, the first season of Babylon 5 is pretty horrendous. When you're rewatching the episodes it's kind of fascinating seeing what he's actually doing in those episodes to slowly build the world that the series takes place in and how necessary the information actually is, but the episodes themselves are pretty horrendous at times - and it makes it worse that a lot of them are not inherently skippable.
Now, I don't mean to derail this topic into B5-speak, but suffice it to say that if you've only seen first-season B5, you haven't seen the show when it's actually good, apart from a couple isolated episodes. Seasons 3 and 4 are two of the best seasons ever committed to the small screen, and 2 and (the latter half of) 5 have moments of true greatness as well - they're way up there.
Vengeful_KBM posted... This being pretty much the best I can hope for. I know that Paramount ripped off the concept of Babylon 5 from JMS' pitch, but it's good to know that they end up going in different directions. It'll definitely be something that's on my list once it finally hits Netflix in, what, October or something, I think it was? (Why the hell would they put up all the Treks except the one that most people - apart from B5 fans - seem to consider the best?)
Yeah, October 1st. Well DS9 is definitely more popular among the mainstream than at least Enterprise but Enterprise is much newer; Voyager might well resonate a bit more though mainly because a common response to "remember DS9?" is "no" whereas a common response to "remember Voyager?" is "oh yeah, the robot chick".
TOS and TNG are no-brainers in the "more recognized overall" department. DS9 is the FFT of Trek, basically. Among those who have played it many say that beyond a shadow of a doubt it is the best -- among those that played it.
Also the dad thing no longer applies; just talked to him about it and we're both going to watch it on Netflix now since it's there and we won't have to buy really expensive DVD sets anymore. :p
Oh neat.
As for Babylon 5, even considering that it's far and away my favorite show of all time (well, maybe not FAR and away - close seconds are The Sopranos and, yes, LOST, despite a fair number of flaws), I am willing to admit that, the first time through, the first season of Babylon 5 is pretty horrendous. When you're rewatching the episodes it's kind of fascinating seeing what he's actually doing in those episodes to slowly build the world that the series takes place in and how necessary the information actually is, but the episodes themselves are pretty horrendous at times - and it makes it worse that a lot of them are not inherently skippable.
You definitely sound like a Babylon 5 fan! No offense intended of course; I completely agree with you. Yeah, the first season (and parts of the second) are pretty bad sometimes but the world-building is phenomenal. And you just don't realize that the first time through.
Now, I don't mean to derail this topic into B5-speak, but suffice it to say that if you've only seen first-season B5, you haven't seen the show when it's actually good, apart from a couple isolated episodes. Seasons 3 and 4 are two of the best seasons ever committed to the small screen, and 2 and (the latter half of) 5 have moments of true greatness as well - they're way up there.
Sounds about right, yeah.
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Eh, maybe I'll give B5 another shot sometime. I got about halfway through season 1 than gave up and went back to watching DS9.
DS9 is the FFT of Trek, basically. Among those who have played it many say that beyond a shadow of a doubt it is the best -- among those that played it.
Wow, that is actually a really awesome comparison. And it works all the better since FFT is my favorite FF game. Though the margin there is much smaller than between DS9 and my next favorite Trek.
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muddersmilk posted... (I watched it before Babylon 5 and really didn't like Babylon. Maybe those fanbases really are doomed to never get along)
Nahhh. I'm a fan of both! (But B5 is better. :P) I watched DS9 first, too, I was a Trek fan before I ever watched any B5. They just end up being very different kinds of stories. B5 is a little more of a sweeping heroic story, where DS9 is a little more of a...well...Star Trek story. More episodic, more focused on social commentary and inter-species relations. (B5 certainly has its share of the latter, but at heart it's an Epic Quest sort of tale.)
But I will say this: I had the opportunity to visit the Star Trek Experience when it still existed in Vegas, and I fangirled like crazy. Having a drink at Quark's and talking to a Klingon was hilariously great.
Vengeful_KBM posted... Now, I don't mean to derail this topic into B5-speak, but suffice it to say that if you've only seen first-season B5, you haven't seen the show when it's actually good, apart from a couple isolated episodes. Seasons 3 and 4 are two of the best seasons ever committed to the small screen, and 2 and (the latter half of) 5 have moments of true greatness as well - they're way up there.
Oh, TKO, who thought you were a good idea for an episode.
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I always found it disturbing when Sisko would refer to her as 'Old Man'
Haha.
Wow, that is actually a really awesome comparison. And it works all the better since FFT is my favorite FF game. Though the margin there is much smaller than between DS9 and my next favorite Trek.
Same on all counts, basically. But yeah, I just kinda came up with that just now. I might have to use it more often.
But I will say this: I had the opportunity to visit the Star Trek Experience when it still existed in Vegas, and I fangirled like crazy. Having a drink at Quark's and talking to a Klingon was hilariously great.
I did this too. Having a drink at Quark's... oh my god. So ridiculously awesome.
Oh, TKO, who thought you were a good idea for an episode.
I actually found "Infection" even worse.
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Ugh. TKO. The worst kind of fail an episode can do. Honestly I thought both that and Soul Hunter were worse than Infection....though all three are in my Bottom 10.
"Soul Hunter" is pretty miserable too. And while I know it's not as commonly thrown into the "this is utterly atrocious" pile, another early terror for me is "The War Prayer". Those two Centauri teenagers annoyed the hell outta me.
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The overacting during the climax of "Infection" is legendary. Sinclair went for the Kirk but landed on his face. Anyway, I should make a post related to Star Trek.
Data is cool.
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The overacting during the climax of "Infection" is legendary.
Hence why I like that episode better than some other terrible ones. The overacting during that scene is hysterical.
And yes, Data is cool. But I find myself dreading pretty much every Troi-related episode. Deanna AND Lwaxana. Is there EVER a good one?
Actually, come to think of it, Half a Life was an incredible Lwaxana Troi episode. Four seasons in and her MOTHER has gotten a good episode and she hasn't? Jesus.
Hah, I'd say more on "Half a Life" but since we ought to keep spoilers at a minimum I'll simply state that I agree with you. Lwaxana also gets some decent episodes during her guest stints on DS9, but DS9 just knows how to do characters justice in general. >_>
Deanna Troi episodes that are genuinely good? Phew, I uh... hm...
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Hah, I'd say more on "Half a Life" but since we ought to keep spoilers at a minimum I'll simply state that I agree with you.
Right. Why I'm being so vague about everything. :p I don't really think episode titles are spoilers, though (Lockes/Icehawk/anybody else using this topic as a watchthrough, please diffuse this belief if I'm wrong in your estimation).
Deanna Troi episodes that are genuinely good? Phew, I uh... hm...
I did this too. Having a drink at Quark's... oh my god. So ridiculously awesome.
Oh man, did you go through both of the thingies too? Running from the Borg and being Picard's descendant...!
The coolest part: my friend and I ended up going through the Picard/Klingon one twice, and the second time it was their last one of the day and we were the only two people there. So when we got to the Enterprise bridge, they let us sit in the chairs. Not Picard's chair, but Riker's and Troi's. I basically flipped out.
Deanna Troi episodes that are genuinely good? Phew, I uh... hm...
Hollow Pursuits? >_> <_< >_> *runs*
I love Lwaxana. She is fabulous.
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Oh man, did you go through both of the thingies too? Running from the Borg and being Picard's descendant...!
Haha, heck yes!
The coolest part: my friend and I ended up going through the Picard/Klingon one twice, and the second time it was their last one of the day and we were the only two people there. So when we got to the Enterprise bridge, they let us sit in the chairs. Not Picard's chair, but Riker's and Troi's. I basically flipped out.
Holy wow. I'd have paid good money to have been your friend. Geez, that's incredible!
Hollow Pursuits? >_> <_< >_> *runs*
Hm, I guess that can count. Marina Sirtis' facial expressions concerning Barclay are pretty excellent there.
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"Elementary, Dear Data" is a pretty great episode, I'm just going by all my years of lurking/posting on The Trek BBS and hanging out on other Trek-centric sites too. It just seems like most people put "The Measure of a Man" on that tier. EDD is definitely rock-solid though. Also...
Bump of passion
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Might be my least favorite so far. Literally 1/3 of the episode is Picard having a headache. Just a lot of build up to what wasn't even a very exciting finish. It also doesn't help that Picard's mind has already been compromised several times in the start to this show, so it happening again was kind of lame.
however, this episode does introduce us to the existence of the "PICARD MANUEVER" badass
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Watching Star Trek: The Next Generation with women who are at least vaguely interested is almost always a good idea.
Watching the first season of Star Trek: The Next Generation with women who are at least vaguely interested is the problem, you see. But "Hide and Q" (that's the one, right?) isn't so bad, it's just that later Q-centric episodes are ridiculously good by comparison.
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Tasha is kind of terrible in general. Worf... oh god, the difference between how tame he is now and how cool he gets later on in the franchise is night and day.
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Episode 9: Hide and Q: Pretty entertaining ep, especially getting more details about the Q society, kind of hilarious how he got warped out at the end.
Riker "changing" was kind of corny, but I still mostly enjoyed the episode.
also I like how tasha is so boring she was the only one without a dream that riker could fulfill, she was totally ignored for the whole segment LOLOL
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Episode 9: Hide And Q Pretty much have the same thoughts on this as Icehawk. Tasha sucks so bad xfd. It's cool getting more info on the Q, and seeing that Q really isn't s*** when it comes to his own...species? Still, there's some questions to be answered about them, so it's nice that it leaves that open. Definitely makes you look forward to more Q episodes. Worf has had some funny/cheesy ass lines through 9 episodes. If he ever gets more screen time he could easily be the cheesiest character.
Worf has got to be the worst character in TNG for me. Boring boring boring. I did warm slightly more to him in DS9 but found his inclusion in that a bit pointless. Didnt see why it had to be specifially him that crossed over. It would ahve been nice if Tasha had stayed on longer or been kept around during her cameos, and got a bit more development.