Board 8 > So Operation Rainfall was a failure?

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Liquid Wind
07/01/11 9:58:00 AM
#151:


no bosh, no one is supposed to speculate on anything ever
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Biolizard28
07/01/11 10:26:00 AM
#152:


Looks like somebody can't stand the taste of their own medicine.

Not naming names because I might get marked for hurting wittle feewings

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Liquid Wind
07/01/11 10:28:00 AM
#153:


Not naming names because I might get marked for hurting wittle feewings

look who's talking :p
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Senjougaharaism
07/01/11 11:07:00 AM
#154:


I honestly can't see NoA wanting to release Xenoblade for the Wii U. Considering that console's supposed to finally bring HD quality graphics to a nintendo console and Xenoblade looks like an early PS2 release.

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Liquid Wind
07/01/11 11:10:00 AM
#155:


I'm sure showing off the amazing graphics is totally nintendo's priority with this system, everyone will be so impressed with the visuals in mario kart and animal crossing now!
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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 11:16:00 AM
#156:


to be fair, the idea of updating Xenoblade's graphics for Wii U would be absolutely fantastic

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KingButz
07/01/11 11:19:00 AM
#157:


From: Senjougaharaism | #154
I honestly can't see NoA wanting to release Xenoblade for the Wii U. Considering that console's supposed to finally bring HD quality graphics to a nintendo console and Xenoblade looks like an early PS2 release.


I'm not sure what graphics you saw, but the graphics are actually fairly consistent with other Wii titles or late PS2 games.

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PrivateBiscuit1
07/01/11 11:23:00 AM
#158:


Oh look, Bio's come to ruin another topic.

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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 11:43:00 AM
#159:


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Xenoblade looks like FFXII except without the CG cutscenes


but yeah, it's not even up to Gamecube quality

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I can understand the world not being stunning since the maps are so large and expansive, but I don't get why the characters look like they do

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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 2:06:00 PM
#160:


btw, people saying "YOU CAN'T MAKE GUESSES, YOU'RE NOT ANALYSTS"


you're being dumb


Would you say someone doesn't know what they're talking about if they say Mario Kart is gonna sell more than 50k?

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Biolizard28
07/01/11 2:09:00 PM
#161:


GuessMyUserName posted...
btw, people saying "YOU CAN'T MAKE GUESSES, YOU'RE NOT ANALYSTS"


you're being dumb


Would you say someone doesn't know what they're talking about if they say Mario Kart is gonna sell more than 50k?


There's actually a reason to believe a Mario Kart game would sell that well.

Because Mario Kart games ALL sell that well.

You can't justify a Xenoblade release and guarantee 100,000+ sales just because another JRPG on a completely different system did.

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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 2:10:00 PM
#162:


From: Biolizard28 | Posted: 7/1/2011 5:09:33 PM | #161
You can't justify a Xenoblade release and guarantee 100,000+ sales just because another JRPG on a completely different system did.


XMFDDDDDD


Looks like you have no idea what you're talking about!

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Biolizard28
07/01/11 2:12:00 PM
#163:


I was thinking of a different game.

Forgive me for not knowing the names of every weaboo RPG to ever exist like you do.

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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 2:13:00 PM
#164:


You just admitted you have no clue at all about what you're talking about


please follow your very own advice and stop talking

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KingButz
07/01/11 2:13:00 PM
#165:


From: Biolizard28 | #163
Forgive me for not knowing the names of every weaboo RPG to ever exist like you do.


I think his knowledge of "weaboo RPG"s would better qualify him to argue here, imo.

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KamikazePotato
07/01/11 2:15:00 PM
#166:


Or, you know, someone who's paid attention to the topic. I didn't know Arc Rise Fantasia existed before this topic but I know now because of how it relates to the discussion at hand, and because it's a good example of a JRPG that has much less hype and accolades than Xenoblade doing 100k on the Wii. If you can't be bothered to remember elements of an argument then why are you posting.

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Biolizard28
07/01/11 2:15:00 PM
#167:


As if your argument is any better.

Do you think Golden Sun can sell as well as Pokemon, even though they're two Nintendo produced handheld RPGs?

**** no.

So you really don't have any idea what Xenoblade would sell like. For all you know, that 10k or so pre orders is all they're going to sell.

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KamikazePotato
07/01/11 2:17:00 PM
#168:


Nice straw man argument. Pokemon sells more than Golden Sun because it has significantly more marketing, better reviews, is more beloved, more well-known...ect.

The same can be applied to Xenoblade and Arc Rise Fantasia, just on a smaller scale.

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KingButz
07/01/11 2:18:00 PM
#169:


I don't think that anyone is claiming to absolutely know what would happen in any situation. People are making predictions of what might happen in a certain hypothetical situation.

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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 2:20:00 PM
#170:


Pokemon is incredibly popular, Golden Sun is not.

Arc Rise Fantasia is as incredibly niche as it gets, Xenoblade is not.


See how I just turned your very own argument to support Xenoblade?



Follow your own adivce. Stop talking about a subject you are completely clueless on.

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KimPilgrim
07/01/11 2:21:00 PM
#171:


Bio I usually like you but you are embarrassing yourself

Let it go

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Biolizard28
07/01/11 2:23:00 PM
#172:


KingButz posted...
I don't think that anyone is claiming to absolutely know what would happen in any situation. People are making predictions of what might happen in a certain hypothetical situation.

And they're trying to present a hypothetical situation as if it's the one reason Nintendo should totally go for it.

Ace Attorney Investigation 2 could outsell every game in the series with enough effort, but that's not going to make Capcom of America drop the cash to localize it because it's not a guarantee, just a possibility.

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Biolizard28
07/01/11 2:24:00 PM
#173:


GuessMyUserName posted...
Arc Rise Fantasia is as incredibly niche as it gets, Xenoblade is not.

Literally arguing that Xenoblade is mainstream.

And I'm the one who needs to stop talking?

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KamikazePotato
07/01/11 2:26:00 PM
#174:


Not once did he use the word 'mainstream'. He said Xenoblade is not 'incredibly niche as it gets', which is true. Xenoblade is obscure, but its Persona obscure, not completely random JRPG obscure.

I mean, at the very least, Operation Rainfall has probably given it more press than Arc Rise Fantasia got advertising.

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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 2:27:00 PM
#175:


From: Biolizard28 | Posted: 7/1/2011 5:23:13 PM | #172
And they're trying to present a hypothetical situation as if it's the one reason Nintendo should totally go for it.


An educated guess isn't some made up thing. There are incredibly strong arguments as to why this would sell. Your argument is "YOU'RE NOT AN ANALYST"

For ****'s sakes, AN VIDEO GAME SALES ANALYST posted in his twitter that he thinks Nintendo should localize the games.

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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 2:27:00 PM
#176:


From: Biolizard28 | Posted: 7/1/2011 5:24:27 PM | #173
GuessMyUserName posted...
Arc Rise Fantasia is as incredibly niche as it gets, Xenoblade is not.

Literally arguing that Xenoblade is mainstream.

And I'm the one who needs to stop talking?


Wow, you can't even read.

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KingButz
07/01/11 2:27:00 PM
#177:


The situation here is that this operation rainfall stuff has done a lot of marketing for Xenoblade already; right now there is pretty big hype for the game.

I can give you a guarantee though, and that is that Nintendo is going to have PR nightmare if they don't release the game.

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Biolizard28
07/01/11 2:29:00 PM
#178:


GuessMyUserName posted...
AN VIDEO GAME SALES ANALYST

I should have known.

I was arguing for so long with a person who can't even type correctly.

I'm done here. What a waste.

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KamikazePotato
07/01/11 2:30:00 PM
#179:


Biolizard28 posted...
KingButz posted...
I don't think that anyone is claiming to absolutely know what would happen in any situation. People are making predictions of what might happen in a certain hypothetical situation.

And they're trying to present a hypothetical situation as if it's the one reason Nintendo should totally go for it.

Ace Attorney Investigation 2 could outsell every game in the series with enough effort, but that's not going to make Capcom of America drop the cash to localize it because it's not a guarantee, just a possibility.


The probable hypothetical situation for AAI2 is that it's going to sell less than AAI1, which it would, thanks to DS oversaturation and rampant DS piracy. So looking at how much AAI1 sold, factoring in how much less it would sell, then factoring in the cost of translation (which would be pretty high for a game like AAI2), that they would lose more money than they would gain.

Xenoblade's situation is very different on basically every issue.

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KamikazePotato
07/01/11 2:31:00 PM
#180:


Oh come on, that's just pathetic. You can't just completely lose an argument, then leave the topic on grounds of grammar. You have got to be above this.

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KimPilgrim
07/01/11 2:32:00 PM
#181:


Biolizard seriously

Grammar mistake argument

That's pretty much admitting you've lost

And you completely ignored his point

The most famous Video Game Analyst IN THE INDUSTRY said it would be in Nintendo's best interest to localize

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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 2:32:00 PM
#182:


XMFDDDD

oh my god, that is completely pathetic, Bio just knows he got thrashed and has no way to back himself up.

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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 2:34:00 PM
#183:


It wasn't even a real grammar mistake - it was a corrections typo.

I originally typed "an analyst", but then I realized "actually, it's not just an analyst, it's a VIDEO GAME SALES analyst", and went back to type that

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KamikazePotato
07/01/11 2:34:00 PM
#184:


But GMUN, you also just typed 'analyste' in that post. I'm not sure I can take you seriously anymore.

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Biolizard28
07/01/11 2:35:00 PM
#185:


GuessMyUserName posted...
It wasn't even a real grammar mistake - it was a corrections typo.

I originally typed "an analyst", but then I realized "actually, it's not just an analyst, it's a VIDEO GAME SALES analyst", and went back to type that


So you don't even proofread your posts after editing them?

Wow man. Just wow.

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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 2:35:00 PM
#186:


IT'S FRENCH

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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 2:36:00 PM
#187:


XMFD

bio's back with no comment on how he got utterly destroyed

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RevolverSaro
07/01/11 2:40:00 PM
#188:


Bio. I think you're a cool dude. but you're making yourself look silly

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Biolizard28
07/01/11 2:40:00 PM
#189:


Like I give a crap what some no name analyst has to say about the situation. He's no expert.

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Sorozone
07/01/11 2:40:00 PM
#190:


From: RevolverSaro | #188
Bio. I think you're a cool dude. but you're making yourself look silly


You forgot a period.
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KingButz
07/01/11 2:41:00 PM
#191:


Bio, "Just wow." is a sentence fragment.

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GuessMyUserName
07/01/11 2:41:00 PM
#192:


From: Biolizard28 | Posted: 7/1/2011 5:40:31 PM | #189
Like I give a crap what some no name analyst has to say about the situation. He's no expert.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

oh my god

you did not just say that


are you SERIOUS


Wow

And you actually tell people not to talk about stuff they don't know

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voltch
07/01/11 2:45:00 PM
#193:


yeeeeeah, for this type of argument, especially for Wii jRPGs, GMUN has sufficent enough knowledge on that particular area to have his posts read.

Now thats not always the case with everyone since some users follow a product closely but are still not worth listening to because of how they argue...like albion, but yeah using Arc Rise Fantasia as a base there's nothing wrong with GMUN's theory here.

Arc rise sold deceptively well, had very little hype or marketing, Xenoblade has to some extent a fair amount of recognition and has a strong word of mouth buzz to it.

Certain elements I wouldn't be so sure about is, does GMUN know the margins and other financial details here.

Like how do the budgets between the two games compare, how many copies need to be sold to cover costs, are there other issues we still don't know about involving contracts or licensing or w/e.

Now while he may not know this, by using the Michael Pachter element, he's giving his argument some extra backing here, while you may not agree with Pachter, he's been good enough at his job to make a lot of money.

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KamikazePotato
07/01/11 2:48:00 PM
#194:


The company that produced Xenoblade is owned by Nintendo. There shouldn't be any problems with contracts or licensing. Translation costs are taken care of, too, and to an extent, marketing costs (Operation Rainfall helps there).

The only 'real' cost to releasing Xenoblade would be physical copy production and distribution, I think.

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voltch
07/01/11 2:51:00 PM
#195:


Which is where someone like pachter helps.

A man like him knows how much of that 40 dollars you pay goes to the manufacturer, the retailer, the distributor, to the gamemaker, to the publisher etc.

He knows how the dollars you pay over the counter are distributed, if he believes that the current buzz will lead to enough sales to satisfy everyone's bottom line, then you gotta think, its worth a shot.

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Biolizard28
07/01/11 2:57:00 PM
#196:


GuessMyUserName posted...
And you actually tell people not to talk about stuff they don't know

Sure do.

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Liquid Wind
07/01/11 3:39:00 PM
#197:


lmfao I <3 bio
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Jeff Zero
07/01/11 3:43:00 PM
#198:


Jeff Zero up here in the house, telling people to listen to GMUN because he's a boss.

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PrivateBiscuit1
07/01/11 3:43:00 PM
#199:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Oh look, Bio's come to ruin another topic.

I totally called it guys.

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Dauntless Hunter
07/01/11 4:55:00 PM
#200:


GuessMyUserName posted...
to be fair, the idea of updating Xenoblade's graphics for Wii U would be absolutely fantastic

It would also FAR exceed any costs that could be preventing Nintendo from distributing the Wii version as-is. I mean anything's possible but Nintendo would have to have WAY more faith in Xenoblade than anyone pushing for its release to do this. Not to mention, if there were a Wii U version in the works, why would they undercut it in Europe/Australia by releasing the Wii version?

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