Current Events > Funny how people always invalidates the success of turn based rpgs

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I failed the topic titles and cannot delete the other one

"Mario rpg is not selling well because it's turn based, it's selling well because of Mario"

"Pokemon is not selling well because of turn based, but because of the creature"(bruh it started as a turn based rpg and which of the countless other spin off did as well as the turn based ones"

"Baldur's gate 3 is not doing well because it's a turn based rpg, it's doing well because it's DND(as if Dnd was not a turn based rpg)"

"Infinite wealth is not doing well because it's a turn based rpg, it's doing well because it's Yakuza"
(The series used to have poor sales and now the two turn based ones are selling better)

Who are people? Seriously, who is saying this and why should I care about their inept perceptions?

I'll paraphrase what I said in the other topic: Turn-based combat isn't marketable, especially to casual audiences. The average gamer is going to look at footage of a turn-based RPG and unless there's some really unique element (branding with a specific IP, etc) that sets it apart, they're going to interpret it as "more weeb stuff where you spam a single button to win".

Mario RPG is a great example because it's a turn-based RPG with a unique timing mechanic that doesn't make the game boring as shit.

CRON posted...

I'll paraphrase what I said in the other topic: Turn-based combat isn't marketable, especially to casual audiences. The average gamer is going to look at footage of a turn-based RPG and unless there's some really unique element (branding with a specific IP, etc) that sets it apart, they're going to interpret it as "more weeb stuff where you spam a single button to win".

Mario RPG is a great example because it's a turn-based RPG with a unique timing mechanic that doesn't make the game boring as shit.

It won't sell as much as Call of duty, but the genre had multiple games that sold millions in the last years. Although Yakuza does have what you are saying
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1ecaf8c4.jpg

philsov posted...

Who are people? Seriously, who is saying this and why should I care about their inept perceptions?

You've never seen people talk shit about turn base RPGs?

VeggetaX posted...

You've never seen people talk shit about turn base RPGs?

Only seen it on this board, tbh.

VeggetaX posted...

You've never seen people talk shit about turn base RPGs?

This answers neither of my questions.

I'll say again what I said in the other topic, attributing Yakuza's success to the pivot to turn-based is completely disingenuous. The series has been growing in mainstream popularity gradually since Y0 and that plus 7 being a jumping on point contributed far more than the pivot to turn-based did.

All my favourite RPGs are turn based.

Gonna go out on a limb and suggest that, with a current gen that was raised on Pokemon and an ever-widening and very noticeable skill gap between pro and casual gamers, the more relaxed and methodical pace of turn-based RPGs could be very marketable nowadays.

epik_fail1 posted...

It won't sell as much as Call of duty, but the genre had multiple games that sold millions in the last years. Although Yakuza does have what you are saying

If they are still trying to sell basic game features as dlc Yakuza can fuck off

philsov posted...

This answers neither of my questions.

Let's not be pedantic or purposely obtuse. If you've seen people shitting on turn base RPGs then why even ask who are these people?

The_Korey posted...

Only seen it on this board, tbh.

Now you can see it on Reddit as well

https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/ba8tn7/can_someone_please_explain_to_me_the_appeal_of/

What TC is saying is real; there are people who invalidates turn base JRPGs. Acting like these people don't exist or it never happened or it only happens here is just silly.

Murphiroth posted...

I'll say again what I said in the other topic, attributing Yakuza's success to the pivot to turn-based is completely disingenuous. The series has been growing in mainstream popularity gradually since Y0 and that plus 7 being a jumping on point contributed far more than the pivot to turn-based did.

You kinda proved my point

epik_fail1 posted...

You kinda proved my point

Nope. You're just being disingenuous when it comes to Yakuza. What I've stated are the facts.

And I'm a fan of the series and love the turn-based ones so this isn't from a position of disliking turn-based combat.

Even the guys in Square trying to invalidate Turn Base for FF too

Ricemills posted...

Even the guys in Square trying to invalidate Turn Base for FF too

FF maybe. But not their other games such as Dragon Quest and Octopath Traveler. There's definitely still a market for Traditional JRPGs and a big one too. People just need to accept that it's a personal taste thing here.

Turn-based JRPG remains my favorite genre ever. Dragon Quest being my favorite RPG series. I'm glad turn based is still doing well in Persona, Dragon Quest, Yakuza, and others.

Person 3 just came out and it's only selling well because Joker is on Smash Bros

Aztex posted...

Person 3 just came out and it's only selling well because Joker is on Smash Bros

"Marth debuted on Smash Bros"
>_>

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Excellent game.

You still failed the topic title.

Ricemills posted...

"Marth debuted on Smash Bros"
>_>

Didnt Roy make his first appearance in Melee?

Also I think we have to define what we mean by turn based because the only thing most of those games have in common is that you take turns in battle but they all play very differently. BG3 is more tactical and takes after the divinity series versus something more traditional four people in a row type of gameplay.

Piplup_Sniper posted...

Didnt Roy make his first appearance in Melee?

Yea but was his game got English release?

VeggetaX posted...

FF maybe. But not their other games such as Dragon Quest and Octopath Traveler. There's definitely still a market for Traditional JRPGs and a big one too. People just need to accept that it's a personal taste thing here.

There's rumors they will change the gameplay for the next DQ

Aztex posted...

Person 3 just came out and it's only selling well because Joker is on Smash Bros

This one might actually have some truth to it. When Joker was announced it was still a fairly recent playstation exclusive and judging the fact that P5 makes up like half the sales of the franchise, I'd say it most likely helped with Switch sales

I am pretty sure it raised Fire Emblem's visbility as well

Maybe it's a coincidence that Yakuza/Like a Dragon because more popular when it turned into a Turn Based RPG, but its one he'll of a coincidence.

creativerealms posted...

Maybe it's a coincidence that Yakuza/Like a Dragon because more popular when it turned into a Turn Based RPG, but its one he'll of a coincidence.

Indeed

Ricemills posted...

Yea but was his game got English release?

Roy's game never came out outside of Japan. He had a small cameo as a child at the very end of the next game, a prequel which did release outside of Japan.

plenty of ppl buy bad and boring things
look at the top of music or box office charts
are turn based RPGs the ben shapiro rap of video games?

Yup.

I love it how the gameplay suddenly isnt important when a turn-based RPG is successful.

I think all these games are popular DESPITE being TB and not BECAUSE theyre TB.

philsov posted...

Who are people? Seriously, who is saying this and why should I care about their inept perceptions?

It's Square Enix. Square Enix are the ones constantly saying that modern graphics and turn based combat just don't work.

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

I think all these games are popular DESPITE being TB and not BECAUSE theyre TB.

Thank you for proving my point

A lot of people preferred the older Final Fantasy and the turn based Yakuza over the action ones. So that "despite" thing doesn't work. I guess FF16 sold 3 millions DESPITE being a hack n slash

Come on, a lot of people bought divinity 2 were not a big fan of the story, but enjoyed the battle system

R_Jackal posted...

It's Square Enix. Square Enix are the ones constantly saying that modern graphics and turn based combat just don't work.

It's square enix and just go see the comment sections of spidey fanboys triggered that BG3 won Goty.

They whine about turn based being boring, outdated and the worse.... a mobile game(yes I am serious)

Most turn based and action RPGs are boring because they lack depth. Mash a button to win isn't fun whether it's turn based or action. The good turn based games often require some thought and strategy (think Shin Megami Tensei or Divinity OS 1&2/Baulder's Gate 3). Same with good action RPGs (stuff like the Souls games or Dragon's Dogma).

So saying X genre is boring, is probably due to many of the games in the genre being brain dead where the combat just wastes your time.

R_Jackal posted...

It's Square Enix. Square Enix are the ones constantly saying that modern graphics and turn based combat just don't work.

The guys who make Dragon Quest?

epik_fail1 posted...

This one might actually have some truth to it. When Joker was announced it was still a fairly recent playstation exclusive and judging the fact that P5 makes up like half the sales of the franchise, I'd say it most likely helped with Switch sales

I am pretty sure it raised Fire Emblem's visbility as well

Doubtful.

I'd say P5R/P4G/P3P and now P3R all going on gamepass/Xbox is what helped them.

I had no interest in any of them or even who Joker was in smash.

Throw them on gamepass and I'm now hooked.

ssjevot posted...

The guys who make Dragon Quest?

That was their reasons for making FF16 action because they saw people on social media whine about turn based rpg so action would sell better.

There's also (not confirmed) rumors that the next DQ will be action based which confuses me as the series gained ton of popularity in the west lately

Dark-Summoner posted...

Doubtful.

I'd say P5R/P4G/P3P and now P3R all going on gamepass/Xbox is what helped them.

I had no interest in any of them or even who Joker was in smash.

Throw them on gamepass and I'm now hooked.

Gamepass definitly helped of course. But don't you think the fact you didn't know who he was(and I didn't either) helped contribute to the visibility of the franchise? Of course gamepass helped and I think the game won awards, but if it was not for smash, I am not sure I would have known what Fire Emblem or Persona was.

Also do they count gamepass players as sales?

Wait, the new Yakuza is turn-based? I never had any interest in the series besides the Kiryu never killed anyone meme because I dont like action games besides fighters, but Ill give it a look now

There's so many turn based games coming out this year, I just saw a trailer for one the other day that had honest to goodness old school pre-rendered backgrounds like ff7/Chrono Cross, but I can't remember the name! Anyone know?

YugiNoob posted...

Wait, the new Yakuza is turn-based? I never had any interest in the series besides the Kiryu never killed anyone meme because I dont like action games besides fighters, but Ill give it a look now

Yes it is, but play Yakuza 7(localisers called it Yakuza like a dragon) first which is their first of the two turn based ones. Infinite Wealth is the direct sequel. I think I saw huge steam sales and you will definitly like the game if you like turn based and IW's battle system improve a lot of what Y7 did

Hmmmm I might get it on sale. The gameplay looks like pretty standard JRPG-ish, which is right up my alley, but Im kinda sad that you dont have Kiryu anymore though since his memes were the reason I know even the slightest but about the series lol.

Also my friend was right that they didnt do that good a job in portraying the scenery in Hawaii. He said he was disappointed since they did such a good job with making the initial Yakuza games accurate to Japan, but I mean chances are they dont have a bunch of workers living here as well lol

Oh wait, it IS on sale? I should check it out :3

Oh no its not; its still $70 :(

But on the plus side, in the trailer they got the Hilo Hattie and ABC Stores down pat. You see those stores so often in Waikiki; sometimes theres 2 ABC Stores on the same block lol

epik_fail1 posted...

Gamepass definitly helped of course. But don't you think the fact you didn't know who he was(and I didn't either) helped contribute to the visibility of the franchise? Of course gamepass helped and I think the game won awards, but if it was not for smash, I am not sure I would have known what Fire Emblem or Persona was.

Also do they count gamepass players as sales?

Honestly, I doubt it was significant. I definitely knew who Joker was before he was put in Smash since Persona 5 seemed pretty popular, plus I had already purchased and played it before he was even announced for Smash. I mean it started on PS3 (Japan only) and had a port on PS4 and PS5. I think Persona 5 was just a breakthrough for the series that put it on a lot of people's radar in general. It's the first Persona I played.

Jupiter posted...

Honestly, I doubt it was significant. I definitely knew who Joker was before he was put in Smash since Persona 5 seemed pretty popular, plus I had already purchased and played it before he was even announced for Smash. I mean it started on PS3 (Japan only) and had a port on PS4 and PS5. I think Persona 5 was just a breakthrough for the series that put it on a lot of people's radar in general. It's the first Persona I played.

According to google it seems like the game sold about 1.something millions in the first year and now it's over 10 millons.

Personally I don't find it shocking that many people didn't know a character from a recent exclusive if it sold 1/2 millions.

Honestly how many people discovered Fire Emblem because of Smash? I remember asking my mom for fire emblem when I was a teenaged kid because I saw Roy and Marth in smash

Also didn't SE say DQ got increased sales in the west after putting hero in smash?

YugiNoob posted...

Hmmmm I might get it on sale. The gameplay looks like pretty standard JRPG-ish, which is right up my alley, but Im kinda sad that you dont have Kiryu anymore though since his memes were the reason I know even the slightest but about the series lol.

Also my friend was right that they didnt do that good a job in portraying the scenery in Hawaii. He said he was disappointed since they did such a good job with making the initial Yakuza games accurate to Japan, but I mean chances are they dont have a bunch of workers living here as well lol

Oh wait, it IS on sale? I should check it out :3

Oh no its not; its still $70 :(

But on the plus side, in the trailer they got the Hilo Hattie and ABC Stores down pat. You see those stores so often in Waikiki; sometimes theres 2 ABC Stores on the same block lol

Kiryu is playable in Infinite Wealth and there's section he is the main character

There's also a good chance you'll get the sequel on sales after a few months lol

Also I was talking about Yakuza 7, you really need to play it before IW as it spoils the ending and the death of major charactershttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/198809f3.jpg