Board 8 > Are the Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions good?

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GANON1025 12/30/21 5:11:25 PM #1:	I revisited the trilogy in preparation to watch Resurrections. And the thing is Reloaded and Revolutions were way better than I remember them being. Not as amazing as 1, of course, but still pretty solid --- https://i.imgur.com/G17qCv1.mp4 <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:961337515] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>I revisited the trilogy in preparation to watch Resurrections. And the thing is Reloaded and Revolutions were way better than I remember them being. Not as amazing as 1, of course, but still pretty solid </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mobilezoid 12/30/21 5:15:10 PM #2:	I always thought they were fine, even back in the day. Never understood why everyone hated the Zion fight in 3, I liked the mech suits. After 2, though, there was that fan theory that the 'real world' was just another layer of the Matrix and I'm still disappointed it wasn't true --- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D (On mobile) <cite>Mobilezoid posted [p:961337595] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>I always thought they were fine, even back in the day. Never understood why everyone hated the Zion fight in 3, I liked the mech suits. After 2, though, there was that fan theory that the 'real world' was just another layer of the Matrix and I'm still disappointed it wasn't true </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mac Arrowny 12/30/21 5:15:39 PM #3:	Reloaded definitely is. Everything that's not in Zion is awesome. Revolutions not so much. The battle of Zion sucks ass and the parts in the Matrix don't have as good fights as the first two movies did. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:961337602] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Reloaded definitely is. Everything that's not in Zion is awesome. Revolutions not so much. The battle of Zion sucks ass and the parts in the Matrix don't have as good fights as the first two movies did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 12/30/21 5:20:13 PM #4:	Yeah they're fine. Reloaded particularly. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:961337717] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Yeah they're fine. Reloaded particularly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StifledSilence 12/30/21 5:21:46 PM #5:	Reloaded is excellent. I like it a lot. Revolutions isfine. Shouldve been a lot better. But I enjoy watching it at least. --- Bear Bro The Empire of Silence <cite>StifledSilence posted [p:961337747] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Reloaded is excellent. I like it a lot. Revolutions isfine. Shouldve been a lot better. But I enjoy watching it at least.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 12/30/21 5:26:19 PM #6:	no. Mobilezoid posted... After 2, though, there was that fan theory that the 'real world' was just another layer of the Matrix and I'm still disappointed it wasn't true yeah, that would have been so much better. "neo is superhero jesus" was an extremely stupid turn for the story to take. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:961337867] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>no. Mobilezoid posted... </cite> <quote>After 2, though, there was that fan theory that the 'real world' was just another layer of the Matrix and I'm still disappointed it wasn't true</quote> yeah, that would have been so much better. "neo is superhero jesus" was an extremely stupid turn for the story to take. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SeabassDebeste 12/30/21 5:32:53 PM #7:	i thought the battle of zion in revolutions was unwatchable and it took up forever --- yet all azuarc of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness <cite>SeabassDebeste posted [p:961338019] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>i thought the battle of zion in revolutions was unwatchable and it took up forever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KokoroAkechi 12/30/21 5:40:18 PM #8:	Reloaded has like one of the greatest car chase scenes ever. I also learned that apparently those ghost things are like from an older version of the matrix where vampires existed or something. <cite>KokoroAkechi posted [p:961338212] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Reloaded has like one of the greatest car chase scenes ever. I also learned that apparently those ghost things are like from an older version of the matrix where vampires existed or something. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captaincanadian 12/30/21 5:43:43 PM #9:	I watched these for the first time this week. Neither hold a candle to the original, but I thought Reloaded was a lot of fun and had some entertaining fights. Revolutions felt like a slog and I can't say I enjoyed it. --- . <cite>captaincanadian posted [p:961338295] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>I watched these for the first time this week. Neither hold a candle to the original, but I thought Reloaded was a lot of fun and had some entertaining fights. Revolutions felt like a slog and I can't say I enjoyed it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 12/30/21 5:51:18 PM #11:	Reloaded is and has always been awesome Revolutions is not. Worse than Resurrections by a lot --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:961338443] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Reloaded is and has always been awesome Revolutions is not. Worse than Resurrections by a lot </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wingless 12/30/21 5:54:12 PM #12:	I liked them a lot but it's been a long time since I've watched them. --- L'ange sans ailes I protect that which matters most... <cite>Wingless posted [p:961338506] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>I liked them a lot but it's been a long time since I've watched them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 12/30/21 6:07:22 PM #13:	Revolutions is weird, it's basically the second half of Reloaded. The battle of Zion goes on for a LONG time, and there are parts I liked and parts that really dragged. It also didn't really bring any new ideas to the table like the original and Reloaded did. The final battle with Neo and Smith isn't as good as the fights they had before, though symbolically I think there's a decent amount to unpack there. --- https://i.imgur.com/G17qCv1.mp4 <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:961338812] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Revolutions is weird, it's basically the second half of Reloaded. The battle of Zion goes on for a LONG time, and there are parts I liked and parts that really dragged. It also didn't really bring any new ideas to the table like the original and Reloaded did. The final battle with Neo and Smith isn't as good as the fights they had before, though symbolically I think there's a decent amount to unpack there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 12/30/21 6:18:29 PM #14:	I have always had a lot of time for Reloaded and have rewatched it a few times. There's like a 20-30 minute(?) sequence starting from the ~~fight in the Chateau~~ and ending with the ~~Freeway Chase~~ that is fantastic and really holds up. --- Not to be confused with XIII_minerals. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:961339065] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>I have always had a lot of time for Reloaded and have rewatched it a few times. There's like a 20-30 minute(?) sequence starting from the fight in the Chateau and ending with the Freeway Chase that is fantastic and really holds up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jcgamer107 12/30/21 6:19:22 PM #15:	StifledSilence posted... Reloaded is excellent. I like it a lot. Revolutions isfine. Shouldve been a lot better. But I enjoy watching it at least. --- azuarc wasn't even home. he was playing Magic the Gathering at his buddy's store, which is extremely easy to verify <cite>jcgamer107 posted [p:961339088] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>StifledSilence posted... </cite> <quote>Reloaded is excellent. I like it a lot. Revolutions isfine. Shouldve been a lot better. But I enjoy watching it at least.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 12/30/21 6:23:29 PM #16:	GANON1025 posted... It also didn't really bring any new ideas to the table like the original and Reloaded did. this isn't really true. for example, they hint that the rebooted matrix is different from the old matrix, given that sati can just create a sunrise out of nowhere. apparently, anyone in this matrix can just shape it the way they want to. (haven't seen resurrections yet so i don't know if they refer to this there.) it's weird to me that a lot of people seem to really like reloaded and are very down on revolutions. to me, they're pretty similar. they both have some interesting ideas and cool action and visual effects, but overall, they're somewhat poorly directed and vastly inferior to the original. i do agree that reloaded is the better movie, though. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:961339192] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>GANON1025 posted... </cite> <quote>It also didn't really bring any new ideas to the table like the original and Reloaded did.</quote> this isn't really true. for example, they hint that the rebooted matrix is different from the old matrix, given that sati can just create a sunrise out of nowhere. apparently, anyone in this matrix can just shape it the way they want to. (haven't seen resurrections yet so i don't know if they refer to this there.) it's weird to me that a lot of people seem to really like reloaded and are very down on revolutions. to me, they're pretty similar. they both have some interesting ideas and cool action and visual effects, but overall, they're somewhat poorly directed and vastly inferior to the original. i do agree that reloaded is the better movie, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/30/21 6:27:34 PM #17:	The simple and obvious difference is revolutions has far too much time devoted to power suits shooting at robots There is more nuance to what it does wrong but yeah that much should be obvious without even thinking about it --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:961339294] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>The simple and obvious difference is revolutions has far too much time devoted to power suits shooting at robots There is more nuance to what it does wrong but yeah that much should be obvious without even thinking about it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 12/30/21 6:32:30 PM #18:	i liked the battle of zion, though i'll admit that i'm in the vast minority here. but yeah, i do agree that it goes on too long. the dance/sex scene in reloaded also goes on for about 3 hours too long, though! --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:961339404] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>i liked the battle of zion, though i'll admit that i'm in the vast minority here. but yeah, i do agree that it goes on too long. the dance/sex scene in reloaded also goes on for about 3 hours too long, though! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snake5555555555 12/30/21 6:34:00 PM #19:	I did not like Reloaded on my rewatch and it turned me off from rewatching Revolutions. --- I've decided to put my fears behind me. I'm not going back. https://www.instagram.com/horror_obscurities/ <cite>Snake5555555555 posted [p:961339438] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>I did not like Reloaded on my rewatch and it turned me off from rewatching Revolutions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/30/21 6:36:59 PM #20:	The dance sex scene is like 5 minutes It's 3 minutes too long but yeah. Zion robot fighting is probably 5x as long --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:961339505] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>The dance sex scene is like 5 minutes It's 3 minutes too long but yeah. Zion robot fighting is probably 5x as long </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 12/30/21 7:26:05 PM #21:	Reloaded could be my favourite if you cut it down to just the action sequences, because my god I love them. But honestly the first 40 minutes (I checked the timestamp with my recent watch-through) are incredibly boring outside of the opening fight (which isn't as good as the rest), maybe Morpheus's speech, and ofc ~~Agent Smith absorption~~. After that 40 minutes though it's a pretty great ratio of awesome to bad filled up largely with big action set pieces. Revolutions... I like but it's got massive problems. Even just the first 20 minutes feel like an an unnecessary pause in the story to ~~warp Neo into the train station and then just... go pick him up and we're back to business~~. The biggest problem with Revolutions though is thinking I give the slightest shit about no-name Zion infantry which of course leads into the main complaint everyone has about the Zion fight. Mr Lasastryke posted... they're pretty similar. they both have some interesting ideas and cool action and visual effects, but overall, they're somewhat poorly directed and vastly inferior to the original. Watching both movies since yesterday, while they absolutely feel like a two-part tv series bit unlike the first movie, they're both still radically different individually. Reloaded absolutely excels at a whole bunch of action scenes (and yes, Neo Superman) all over the place which is very much not the case in Revolutions which doesn't even have Neo seeing any action until 40 minutes in, ~~stripped away from the Matrix without his crazy superpowers (for the most part)~~. It isn't even until the last half hour we get the final fight and by that point there's really been nothing else, even Morpheus & Trinity just had a very basic fight in the beginning of the movie and that's about it. Ain't no Katana Morpheus here that's for sure. Revolutions just really doesn't do the one thing Reloaded did really well. The star of Revolutions is Smith tbqh --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:961340623] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Reloaded could be my favourite if you cut it down to just the action sequences, because my god I love them. But honestly the first 40 minutes (I checked the timestamp with my recent watch-through) are incredibly boring outside of the opening fight (which isn't as good as the rest), maybe Morpheus's speech, and ofc Agent Smith absorption. After that 40 minutes though it's a pretty great ratio of awesome to bad filled up largely with big action set pieces. Revolutions... I like but it's got massive problems. Even just the first 20 minutes feel like an an unnecessary pause in the story to warp Neo into the train station and then just... go pick him up and we're back to business. The biggest problem with Revolutions though is thinking I give the slightest shit about no-name Zion infantry which of course leads into the main complaint everyone has about the Zion fight. Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>they're pretty similar. they both have some interesting ideas and cool action and visual effects, but overall, they're somewhat poorly directed and vastly inferior to the original.</quote> Watching both movies since yesterday, while they absolutely feel like a two-part tv series bit unlike the first movie, they're both still radically different individually. Reloaded absolutely excels at a whole bunch of action scenes (and yes, Neo Superman) all over the place which is very much not the case in Revolutions which doesn't even have Neo seeing any action until 40 minutes in, stripped away from the Matrix without his crazy superpowers (for the most part). It isn't even until the last half hour we get the final fight and by that point there's really been nothing else, even Morpheus & Trinity just had a very basic fight in the beginning of the movie and that's about it. Ain't no Katana Morpheus here that's for sure. Revolutions just really doesn't do the one thing Reloaded did really well. The star of Revolutions is Smith tbqh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PerfectChaosZ 12/30/21 8:18:23 PM #22:	Hugo Weaving being replaced by generic douche white guy #21 was one of the main things that kept Resurrection from being good. That mans talent saved Revolution. <cite>PerfectChaosZ posted [p:961341849] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Hugo Weaving being replaced by generic douche white guy #21 was one of the main things that kept Resurrection from being good. That mans talent saved Revolution. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Team Rocket Elite 12/30/21 8:21:26 PM #23:	The lack of Hugo Weaving in Resurrections hurt. My head just never got over it for the entire movie. --- My bracket looked like random picks compared to his. Congrats to azuarc for winning the GotD 2020 Guru Contest! <cite>Team Rocket Elite posted [p:961341917] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>The lack of Hugo Weaving in Resurrections hurt. My head just never got over it for the entire movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/30/21 8:42:21 PM #24:	I really thought we were leading into Hugo Weaving Smith saving the day because the "new" Smith kept calling him "Thomas" not "Mr Anderson" which I thought was supposed to be a sign that wasn't the real deal That probably would have been hype enough for me to like it --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:961342357] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>I really thought we were leading into Hugo Weaving Smith saving the day because the "new" Smith kept calling him "Thomas" not "Mr Anderson" which I thought was supposed to be a sign that wasn't the real deal That probably would have been hype enough for me to like it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alanna82 12/30/21 9:14:00 PM #25:	I hated the one in the middle with the giant party scene which was point less. The third one was okay because it wrapped things up decently. But I felt the middle one could have been cut. I could be mis remembering. But I remember kind of liking the third one and hating the second one. --- Don't mess with a Bunny! <cite>Alanna82 posted [p:961343007] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>I hated the one in the middle with the giant party scene which was point less. The third one was okay because it wrapped things up decently. But I felt the middle one could have been cut. I could be mis remembering. But I remember kind of liking the third one and hating the second one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 12/30/21 10:23:51 PM #26:	Mobilezoid posted... After 2, though, there was that fan theory that the 'real world' was just another layer of the Matrix and I'm still disappointed it wasn't true I mean, it isnt literally true, but the humans of the real world are living in a controlled environment that the Machines had set up for them without their knowledge, so it is still effectively true. --- http://i.imgur.com/k0v0z3q.gif <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:961344519] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Mobilezoid posted... </cite> <quote>After 2, though, there was that fan theory that the 'real world' was just another layer of the Matrix and I'm still disappointed it wasn't true</quote>I mean, it isnt literally true, but the humans of the real world are living in a controlled environment that the Machines had set up for them without their knowledge, so it is still effectively true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/30/21 10:33:20 PM #27:	I liked Revolutions way more than Reloaded. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:961344729] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>I liked Revolutions way more than Reloaded. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 12/31/21 12:23:26 AM #28:	i remember them both as pretty awful. to say something nice, at least one of the fight scenes in reloaded felt impressive at the time i do intend to rewatch them by myself and confirm whether they're as bad as my memory i specifically say by myself because my co-viewer is guaranteed to complain, talk over, or otherwise distract from the technobabble- such that i won't be able to tell whether the movie's genuinely nonsense or i just wasn't paying close enough attention --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:961347052] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>i remember them both as pretty awful. to say something nice, at least one of the fight scenes in reloaded felt impressive at the time i do intend to rewatch them by myself and confirm whether they're as bad as my memory i specifically say by myself because my co-viewer is guaranteed to complain, talk over, or otherwise distract from the technobabble- such that i won't be able to tell whether the movie's genuinely nonsense or i just wasn't paying close enough attention </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 12/31/21 12:25:53 AM #29:	as a kid, i think i couldn't get over the fact that matrix 1 neo had complete mastery over the matrix, and matrix 2 neo was just a good fighter that could fly with some limited telekinesis. if neo 1 didn't specifically demonstrate a feat, that feat was impossible for neo 2 it felt like we were stuck in pointless action sequences when i wanted them to focus more on the psychological, ethical, and logistical aspects of the setting --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:961347106] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>as a kid, i think i couldn't get over the fact that matrix 1 neo had complete mastery over the matrix, and matrix 2 neo was just a good fighter that could fly with some limited telekinesis. if neo 1 didn't specifically demonstrate a feat, that feat was impossible for neo 2 it felt like we were stuck in pointless action sequences when i wanted them to focus more on the psychological, ethical, and logistical aspects of the setting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/31/21 12:28:38 AM #30:	banananor posted... matrix 1 neo had complete mastery over the matrix, ???? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:961347163] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted... </cite> <quote>matrix 1 neo had complete mastery over the matrix,</quote> ???? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 12/31/21 12:29:58 AM #31:	TheRock1525 posted... ???? matrix 1 neo flexed and bent space (this one could just be a cinematography choice) he also turned into a tiny beam of light and flew inside of another person, reprogramming them. he was unable to do anything like this in 2 or 3 (he instead fought using swords) i apologize for confusing you, and maybe my memory is faulty- hence why i might want to rewatch the trilogy --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:961347182] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>????</quote>matrix 1 neo flexed and bent space (this one could just be a cinematography choice) he also turned into a tiny beam of light and flew inside of another person, reprogramming them. he was unable to do anything like this in 2 or 3 (he instead fought using swords) i apologize for confusing you, and maybe my memory is faulty- hence why i might want to rewatch the trilogy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi1 12/31/21 12:41:45 AM #32:	Reloaded is better than Revolution, not contest. --- PSN, and GT: Waluigi1 Switch FC: SW-6848-3841-9099 <cite>Waluigi1 posted [p:961347372] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Reloaded is better than Revolution, not contest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi1 12/31/21 12:44:48 AM #33:	banananor posted... fact that matrix 1 neo had complete mastery over the matrix I dislike this sentiment. It's just conjecture. People assume he was God, but like you pointed out, all he did was fly inside of Smith and destroy/reprogram/whatever the hell he did. --- PSN, and GT: Waluigi1 Switch FC: SW-6848-3841-9099 <cite>Waluigi1 posted [p:961347430] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted... </cite> <quote>fact that matrix 1 neo had complete mastery over the matrix</quote>I dislike this sentiment. It's just conjecture. People assume he was God, but like you pointed out, all he did was fly inside of Smith and destroy/reprogram/whatever the hell he did. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 12/31/21 1:04:42 AM #34:	Waluigi1 posted... I dislike this sentiment. It's just conjecture. People assume he was God, but like you pointed out, all he did was fly inside of Smith and destroy/reprogram/whatever the hell he did. perhaps i could have worded it differently don't you think it was implied he had more abilities than just flight, stopping bullets, and "good fighting"? if you have the ability to turn into light, it seems like you could use that power more creatively than neo does in 2 and 3. you think he just got a single-use ability to do all this crazy stuff for a hot minute? the simple fact is that the business wanted to have a bunch of traditional fight scenes in the sequels, and the rest of the movie had to warp around that. turning into light and doing crazy shit would make that an impossibility, and the movie would have to be about either the real world, or a cold war esque transition of the matrix into something better for humans they even address this directly in the hyper-meta 4th wall breaking of the first act of m4. they ask "what is the matrix? is it just cool martial art fight scenes with bullet time?" --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:961347755] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Waluigi1 posted... </cite> <quote>I dislike this sentiment. It's just conjecture. People assume he was God, but like you pointed out, all he did was fly inside of Smith and destroy/reprogram/whatever the hell he did.</quote>perhaps i could have worded it differently don't you think it was implied he had more abilities than just flight, stopping bullets, and "good fighting"? if you have the ability to turn into light, it seems like you could use that power more creatively than neo does in 2 and 3. you think he just got a single-use ability to do all this crazy stuff for a hot minute? the simple fact is that the business wanted to have a bunch of traditional fight scenes in the sequels, and the rest of the movie had to warp around that. turning into light and doing crazy shit would make that an impossibility, and the movie would have to be about either the real world, or a cold war esque transition of the matrix into something better for humans they even address this directly in the hyper-meta 4th wall breaking of the first act of m4. they ask "what is the matrix? is it just cool martial art fight scenes with bullet time?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/31/21 2:45:59 AM #35:	I like the mech fight. I like revolution more than reloaded, but both are decent. The train station and merv stuff were the weakest parts of both movies, tho God damn was persephone fine. The one problem with the mech fight is that the end makes it seem pointless when it goes from a fight to a haha they could have just won whenever. The reloaded cgi 100 smith's fight is pretty bad and does not hold up. Likewise the part where Smith clotheslines neo in revolution looks very poorly cut and weird. The new movie wasn't that great. I get it's set up, but the magic seems kind of lost. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:961349149] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>I like the mech fight. I like revolution more than reloaded, but both are decent. The train station and merv stuff were the weakest parts of both movies, tho God damn was persephone fine. The one problem with the mech fight is that the end makes it seem pointless when it goes from a fight to a haha they could have just won whenever. The reloaded cgi 100 smith's fight is pretty bad and does not hold up. Likewise the part where Smith clotheslines neo in revolution looks very poorly cut and weird. The new movie wasn't that great. I get it's set up, but the magic seems kind of lost. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 12/31/21 5:51:48 AM #36:	banananor posted... i remember them both as pretty awful. to say something nice, at least one of the fight scenes in reloaded felt impressive at the time i do intend to rewatch them by myself and confirm whether they're as bad as my memory i specifically say by myself because my co-viewer is guaranteed to complain, talk over, or otherwise distract from the technobabble- such that i won't be able to tell whether the movie's genuinely nonsense or i just wasn't paying close enough attention it's certainly not ALL nonsense. one thing that makes 1 feel so separate from 2 and 3 is that the original is a very straightforward movie and the sequels are way more symbolic and insinuating. i won't bring up truffaut's law again, but 2 and 3 are movies that definitely get better if you watch them several times. and even then, a lot of the stuff in it only makes sense if you know a decent amount about philosophy and religion. i know i'm coming off as a pretentious "you just didn't get it" asshole - and maybe i am one - but it's pretty frustrating to see 2 and 3 get dismissed as 100% bullshit by people who probably can't even tell the difference between jean baudrillard and ayn rand. (edit: to be perfectly clear, this isn't in response to your post. i'm talking about people in general who dismissed the movies as 100% bullshit.) ...all that being said, some of the stuff in the movies definitely IS nonsensical technobabble, though, at least to me. i've wasted way too much time reading rambling matrix articles and watching matrix youtube videos and some dialogue still makes me go "nope, this doesn't make sense." --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:961350965] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted... </cite> <quote>i remember them both as pretty awful. to say something nice, at least one of the fight scenes in reloaded felt impressive at the time i do intend to rewatch them by myself and confirm whether they're as bad as my memory i specifically say by myself because my co-viewer is guaranteed to complain, talk over, or otherwise distract from the technobabble- such that i won't be able to tell whether the movie's genuinely nonsense or i just wasn't paying close enough attention</quote> it's certainly not ALL nonsense. one thing that makes 1 feel so separate from 2 and 3 is that the original is a very straightforward movie and the sequels are way more symbolic and insinuating. i won't bring up truffaut's law again, but 2 and 3 are movies that definitely get better if you watch them several times. and even then, a lot of the stuff in it only makes sense if you know a decent amount about philosophy and religion. i know i'm coming off as a pretentious "you just didn't get it" asshole - and maybe i am one - but it's pretty frustrating to see 2 and 3 get dismissed as 100% bullshit by people who probably can't even tell the difference between jean baudrillard and ayn rand. (edit: to be perfectly clear, this isn't in response to your post. i'm talking about people in general who dismissed the movies as 100% bullshit.) ...all that being said, some of the stuff in the movies definitely IS nonsensical technobabble, though, at least to me. i've wasted way too much time reading rambling matrix articles and watching matrix youtube videos and some dialogue still makes me go "nope, this doesn't make sense." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 12/31/21 9:48:32 AM #37:	Reloaded is a good movie, I honestly think I liked it more than the first matrix. It had lots of different neat directions it could have gone. Revolutions was...dragonball Z. Still perfectly watchable, but...felt so simple lore-wise after all the buildup. I would compare it to star wars episode 9--like...a reasonably made action movie, but lore-wise it's like the most simplified baby version of the lore. --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:961353688] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Reloaded is a good movie, I honestly think I liked it more than the first matrix. It had lots of different neat directions it could have gone. Revolutions was...dragonball Z. Still perfectly watchable, but...felt so simple lore-wise after all the buildup. I would compare it to star wars episode 9--like...a reasonably made action movie, but lore-wise it's like the most simplified baby version of the lore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maniac64 12/31/21 10:34:45 AM #38:	KokoroAkechi posted... Reloaded has like one of the greatest car chase scenes ever. I also learned that apparently those ghost things are like from an older version of the matrix where vampires existed or something. Man the Dark Matrix stuff with vampires and werewolves was the worst part of the trilogy to me. Edit: ok that's an exaggeration but I still thought it was stupid. Unpopular opinion: I'd rather watch the Zion mech fight than the neo vs 1000 Smith's fight. --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris <cite>Maniac64 posted [p:961354598] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>KokoroAkechi posted... </cite> <quote>Reloaded has like one of the greatest car chase scenes ever. I also learned that apparently those ghost things are like from an older version of the matrix where vampires existed or something.</quote>Man the Dark Matrix stuff with vampires and werewolves was the worst part of the trilogy to me. Edit: ok that's an exaggeration but I still thought it was stupid. Unpopular opinion: I'd rather watch the Zion mech fight than the neo vs 1000 Smith's fight. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi1 12/31/21 11:43:44 AM #39:	Mr Lasastryke posted... it's certainly not ALL nonsense. one thing that makes 1 feel so separate from 2 and 3 is that the original is a very straightforward movie and the sequels are way more symbolic and insinuating. i won't bring up truffaut's law again, but 2 and 3 are movies that definitely get better if you watch them several times. and even then, a lot of the stuff in it only makes sense if you know a decent amount about philosophy and religion. i know i'm coming off as a pretentious "you just didn't get it" asshole - and maybe i am one - but it's pretty frustrating to see 2 and 3 get dismissed as 100% bullshit by people who probably can't even tell the difference between jean baudrillard and ayn rand. (edit: to be perfectly clear, this isn't in response to your post. i'm talking about people in general who dismissed the movies as 100% bullshit.) ...all that being said, some of the stuff in the movies definitely IS nonsensical technobabble, though, at least to me. i've wasted way too much time reading rambling matrix articles and watching matrix youtube videos and some dialogue still makes me go "nope, this doesn't make sense." Good post Lasa. --- PSN, and GT: Waluigi1 Switch FC: SW-6848-3841-9099 <cite>Waluigi1 posted [p:961356151] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>it's certainly not ALL nonsense. one thing that makes 1 feel so separate from 2 and 3 is that the original is a very straightforward movie and the sequels are way more symbolic and insinuating. i won't bring up truffaut's law again, but 2 and 3 are movies that definitely get better if you watch them several times. and even then, a lot of the stuff in it only makes sense if you know a decent amount about philosophy and religion. i know i'm coming off as a pretentious "you just didn't get it" asshole - and maybe i am one - but it's pretty frustrating to see 2 and 3 get dismissed as 100% bullshit by people who probably can't even tell the difference between jean baudrillard and ayn rand. (edit: to be perfectly clear, this isn't in response to your post. i'm talking about people in general who dismissed the movies as 100% bullshit.) ...all that being said, some of the stuff in the movies definitely IS nonsensical technobabble, though, at least to me. i've wasted way too much time reading rambling matrix articles and watching matrix youtube videos and some dialogue still makes me go "nope, this doesn't make sense."</quote>Good post Lasa. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 01/07/22 3:24:17 AM #40:	Mr Lasastryke posted... it's certainly not ALL nonsense. one thing that makes 1 feel so separate from 2 and 3 is that the original is a very straightforward movie and the sequels are way more symbolic and insinuating. i won't bring up truffaut's law again, but 2 and 3 are movies that definitely get better if you watch them several times. and even then, a lot of the stuff in it only makes sense if you know a decent amount about philosophy and religion. i know i'm coming off as a pretentious "you just didn't get it" asshole - and maybe i am one - but it's pretty frustrating to see 2 and 3 get dismissed as 100% bullshit by people who probably can't even tell the difference between jean baudrillard and ayn rand. (edit: to be perfectly clear, this isn't in response to your post. i'm talking about people in general who dismissed the movies as 100% bullshit.) first of all, i appreciate your well-thought out post. and yeah, that's part of why why i'm planning on rewatching. i've become more down with allegorical (as opposed to rational/logical) fiction over time. stuff that used to frustrate me because it didn't make sense i now can take a step back and let wash over me it's part of managing expectations. on that subject, i think what turned people off was the fact that the sequel to a rational movie was irrational (or allegorical, or to use your words, "less straightforward") not quite the same, but remember how "drive" was marketed as a "fast and furious" movie, and then people entered the theater and watched an hour of near silence followed by a guy smashing a watermelon? not saying the movie would magically become good, but people would have been less unhappy if they knew what they were getting into from the start i'm willing to guess that the sequels do not make sense rationally but might be okay allegorically i've got to imagine the allegory is more interesting than "hey guys, remember jean baudrillard? hey guys, remember ayn rand? hey guys, remember christianity? remember buddhism? remember semester 1 of philosophy?" i think cinema has the ability (and perhaps a mandate) to do more a friend of mine is finishing up her phd in cognitive science, and she always makes sure to mention that she dislikes the trilogy for reminding her too much of her stoned freshman and sophomore classmates i'm hoping she's wrong and just extra jaded from 8 years of schooling on the subject --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:961541082] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>it's certainly not ALL nonsense. one thing that makes 1 feel so separate from 2 and 3 is that the original is a very straightforward movie and the sequels are way more symbolic and insinuating. i won't bring up truffaut's law again, but 2 and 3 are movies that definitely get better if you watch them several times. and even then, a lot of the stuff in it only makes sense if you know a decent amount about philosophy and religion. i know i'm coming off as a pretentious "you just didn't get it" asshole - and maybe i am one - but it's pretty frustrating to see 2 and 3 get dismissed as 100% bullshit by people who probably can't even tell the difference between jean baudrillard and ayn rand. (edit: to be perfectly clear, this isn't in response to your post. i'm talking about people in general who dismissed the movies as 100% bullshit.)</quote>first of all, i appreciate your well-thought out post. and yeah, that's part of why why i'm planning on rewatching. i've become more down with allegorical (as opposed to rational/logical) fiction over time. stuff that used to frustrate me because it didn't make sense i now can take a step back and let wash over me it's part of managing expectations. on that subject, i think what turned people off was the fact that the sequel to a rational movie was irrational (or allegorical, or to use your words, "less straightforward") not quite the same, but remember how "drive" was marketed as a "fast and furious" movie, and then people entered the theater and watched an hour of near silence followed by a guy smashing a watermelon? not saying the movie would magically become good, but people would have been less unhappy if they knew what they were getting into from the start i'm willing to guess that the sequels do not make sense rationally but might be okay allegorically i've got to imagine the allegory is more interesting than "hey guys, remember jean baudrillard? hey guys, remember ayn rand? hey guys, remember christianity? remember buddhism? remember semester 1 of philosophy?" i think cinema has the ability (and perhaps a mandate) to do more a friend of mine is finishing up her phd in cognitive science, and she always makes sure to mention that she dislikes the trilogy for reminding her too much of her stoned freshman and sophomore classmates i'm hoping she's wrong and just extra jaded from 8 years of schooling on the subject </quote> ... 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Mr Lasastryke 01/07/22 7:48:48 AM #41:	Waluigi1 posted... Good post Lasa. thanks! banananor posted... it's part of managing expectations. on that subject, i think what turned people off was the fact that the sequel to a rational movie was irrational (or allegorical, or to use your words, "less straightforward") not quite the same, but remember how "drive" was marketed as a "fast and furious" movie, and then people entered the theater and watched an hour of near silence followed by a guy smashing a watermelon? not saying the movie would magically become good, but people would have been less unhappy if they knew what they were getting into from the start i think that's certainly part of why the sequels were poorly received. but i also think people are generally extremely unreceptive to non-straightforward and allegorical movies in general, and i'm not just talking about dudebros who think transformers is the best movie series ever. leslie halliwell bashed resnais's masterpiece l'anne dernire marienbad because "it didn't have a story." mike and rich from redlettermedia said el topo was garbage because "it didn't have a clear, cohesive story." and of course, we all remember how the gauntlet crew on this board ripped 2001: a space odyssey to shreds (or at least i do). people just really, really don't like the idea of the experience of watching a movie being something that takes a decent amount of effort. now, i'm not saying the matrix sequels are as good as those three films. in fact, i'm not even saying they're good period. but what i AM saying is that the wachowskis didn't just throw a bunch of nonsense on the screen. my issues have little to do with the allegorical nature of the story (and a lot with stuff like "man that 1000 CGI smiths fight does not hold up in 2022"). i've got to imagine the allegory is more interesting than "hey guys, remember jean baudrillard? hey guys, remember ayn rand? hey guys, remember christianity? remember buddhism? remember semester 1 of philosophy?" i think cinema has the ability (and perhaps a mandate) to do more a friend of mine is finishing up her phd in cognitive science, and she always makes sure to mention that she dislikes the trilogy for reminding her too much of her stoned freshman and sophomore classmates i'm hoping she's wrong and just extra jaded from 8 years of schooling on the subject yeah, it's definitely more interesting than that. they're not just name-dropping. for instance, one of the more obvious allegories is when in the architect scene in reloaded, the architect is dressed in all white and neo is in all black. the idea is that the architect is god and neo is the devil. not in a "the architect is good and neo is evil" sense, but in a "the purpose of neo is to disrupt the perfection of the architect" sense. (this ties into the architect's final line in revolutions: "what do you think i am? human?" he emphasizes that he can't possibly be human because he's the perfect god and the essence of humans is imperfection.) neo is like the serpent who destroys the perfection of the garden of eden. that's why, when the architect gives him the choice between doors, he chooses the "wrong" door that (apparently) leads to human extinction. i'm still not sure if the wachowskis are saying much that hasn't been said before (and better) by philosophers. but the allegorical story they're telling is mostly coherent. so yeah, i don't agree with your friend's assessment of the trilogy. also, i don't know how many times she's seen the movies. i get how they seem like stoner ramblings on the surface, though. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:961543271] in Are the Ma... [t:79832725]...</cite> <quote>Waluigi1 posted... </cite> <quote>Good post Lasa.</quote> thanks! banananor posted... </cite> <quote>it's part of managing expectations. on that subject, i think what turned people off was the fact that the sequel to a rational movie was irrational (or allegorical, or to use your words, "less straightforward") not quite the same, but remember how "drive" was marketed as a "fast and furious" movie, and then people entered the theater and watched an hour of near silence followed by a guy smashing a watermelon? not saying the movie would magically become good, but people would have been less unhappy if they knew what they were getting into from the start</quote> i think that's certainly part of why the sequels were poorly received. but i also think people are generally extremely unreceptive to non-straightforward and allegorical movies in general, and i'm not just talking about dudebros who think transformers is the best movie series ever. leslie halliwell bashed resnais's masterpiece l'anne dernire marienbad because "it didn't have a story." mike and rich from redlettermedia said el topo was garbage because "it didn't have a clear, cohesive story." and of course, we all remember how the gauntlet crew on this board ripped 2001: a space odyssey to shreds (or at least i do). people just really, really don't like the idea of the experience of watching a movie being something that takes a decent amount of effort. now, i'm not saying the matrix sequels are as good as those three films. in fact, i'm not even saying they're good period. but what i AM saying is that the wachowskis didn't just throw a bunch of nonsense on the screen. my issues have little to do with the allegorical nature of the story (and a lot with stuff like "man that 1000 CGI smiths fight does not hold up in 2022"). <quote>i've got to imagine the allegory is more interesting than "hey guys, remember jean baudrillard? hey guys, remember ayn rand? hey guys, remember christianity? remember buddhism? remember semester 1 of philosophy?" i think cinema has the ability (and perhaps a mandate) to do more a friend of mine is finishing up her phd in cognitive science, and she always makes sure to mention that she dislikes the trilogy for reminding her too much of her stoned freshman and sophomore classmates i'm hoping she's wrong and just extra jaded from 8 years of schooling on the subject</quote> yeah, it's definitely more interesting than that. they're not just name-dropping. for instance, one of the more obvious allegories is when in the architect scene in reloaded, the architect is dressed in all white and neo is in all black. the idea is that the architect is god and neo is the devil. not in a "the architect is good and neo is evil" sense, but in a "the purpose of neo is to disrupt the perfection of the architect" sense. (this ties into the architect's final line in revolutions: "what do you think i am? human?" he emphasizes that he can't possibly be human because he's the perfect god and the essence of humans is imperfection.) neo is like the serpent who destroys the perfection of the garden of eden. that's why, when the architect gives him the choice between doors, he chooses the "wrong" door that (apparently) leads to human extinction. i'm still not sure if the wachowskis are saying much that hasn't been said before (and better) by philosophers. but the allegorical story they're telling is mostly coherent. so yeah, i don't agree with your friend's assessment of the trilogy. also, i don't know how many times she's seen the movies. i get how they seem like stoner ramblings on the surface, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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