Poll of the Day > Wait, Optimus Prime ISN'T normally a gorilla?

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Ferarri619
08/14/21 6:25:32 PM
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I grew up in the 90s with Beat Wars/Beast Machines so I always pictured Optimus Prime as a gorilla in his first form, but that was just for that generation? Whoa
I'm rewatching Beast Wars after like 20 years. It's cool that it's free. I decided to do some quick research on the whole franchise and not seeing Optimus Prime as a gorilla is foreign to me.

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JOExHIGASHI
08/14/21 6:58:04 PM
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How did you miss out on 10 years worth of Transformer movies, all their trailers, and merch?

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Clench281
08/14/21 6:58:54 PM
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Beast wars owned

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ParanoidObsessive
08/14/21 6:59:05 PM
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I'm pretty sure Optimus Prime was never a gorilla.

The character in Beast Wars is actually Optimus Primal. He's canonically a different character.
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Pikazard1
08/14/21 7:35:22 PM
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when it comes to Beast Wars, Rattrap and Waspinator, are the best comic relief!!

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Zeus
08/14/21 7:36:40 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
I'm pretty sure Optimus Prime was never a gorilla.

The character in Beast Wars is actually Optimus Primal. He's canonically a different character.

This, although it's not a hard mistake to make given the similar, punning name.

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Joe_Biden
08/14/21 7:43:23 PM
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optimus primal is just optimus prime as a gorilla

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ParanoidObsessive
08/14/21 7:51:24 PM
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Joe_Biden posted...
optimus primal is just optimus prime as a gorilla

Literally not though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Prime#Beast_Era
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Zareth
08/14/21 8:25:01 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
I'm pretty sure Optimus Prime was never a gorilla.

The character in Beast Wars is actually Optimus Primal. He's canonically a different character.
He was still called Convoy in Japan. He might have been canonically the same character in the Japanese BW manga, not sure.

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jsb0714
08/14/21 10:05:59 PM
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If you saw Beast Wars then you saw the original Optimus Prime during its run. Calling BS on this so-called "surprise".
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Mead
08/14/21 10:07:50 PM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
How did you miss out on 10 years worth of Transformer movies, all their trailers, and merch?

to be fair most of that sucked

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Blighboy
08/14/21 10:24:45 PM
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jsb0714 posted...
If you saw Beast Wars then you saw the original Optimus Prime during its run. Calling BS on this so-called "surprise".
In the olden days, we watched random episodes of a TV series as they aired (out of order) and never saw more than half the show.

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Mead
08/14/21 10:35:11 PM
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jsb0714 posted...
If you saw Beast Wars then you saw the original Optimus Prime during its run. Calling BS on this so-called "surprise".

you think anyone that has seen a show must have seen every single episode?

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Joe_Biden
08/14/21 11:10:30 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Literally not though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Prime#Beast_Era
oh shut up you know perfectly well that it's just Optimus prime

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ParanoidObsessive
08/15/21 12:12:22 AM
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Joe_Biden posted...
oh shut up you know perfectly well that it's just Optimus prime

Literally not though.

They explicitly say it isn't, in the show itself, when Primal takes Prime's spark.

It's more like Primal is Prime's great-great-great-grandson, sort of. Who then came back in time so they're there at the same time.

Beast Wars is actually canonical to the original series - you find out about halfway into the show that the Ark that crashes in the original series is still stuck in the mountain, because Beast Wars takes place somewhere in the 4 million year span after it crashes but before they all wake up in the "present". The Beast Wars characters originally believe it's an alien planet until they realize it's Earth millions of years in the past.
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Krazy_Kirby
08/15/21 12:41:40 AM
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beast wars >>>>>>>>>> transformers.

one of the reasons beast machines is so bad is because the new person in charge fired all the old writers, and ordered the new writers not to watch any old episodes for reference.
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Kungfu Kenobi
08/15/21 1:20:24 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Literally not though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Prime#Beast_Era

Pffft, details. He's effectively Optimus Prime in a monkey suit.

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Mead
08/15/21 1:22:14 AM
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...
Pffft, details. He's effectively Optimus Prime in a monkey suit.

this

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Zeus
08/15/21 1:30:46 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Literally not though.

You're wasting time arguing with Helly, of all people. He just posts dumbass opinions to try to get a rise out of people. I'm not sure he even believes the stupid shit he claims.

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Ferarri619
08/15/21 6:03:50 AM
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I decided to backtrack and now I'm binging the original 80s TV series...holy shit it's actually animated by Toei Japan, so I guess it's technically an anime. One of the human characters (Spike) even looks like Amuro Ray from Gundam. Crazy. The more you learn I guess.
I bought the 80s movie too. Looking at Wikipedia I guess I watch the movie after season 2? @ParanoidObsessive
Also bought the live action movies because they were on sale.

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jsb0714
08/15/21 9:03:40 AM
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Mead posted...
you think anyone that has seen a show must have seen every single episode?
Seeing "every single episode" is hardly necessary. Try again.

Blighboy posted...
In the olden days, we watched random episodes of a TV series as they aired (out of order) and never saw more than half the show.
Huh?
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LinkPizza
08/15/21 9:17:33 AM
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jsb0714 posted...
Huh?

I this whats he saying was it was sometimes hard to watch all of a show (or follow it sometimes) back when a lot of us were kids. Many shows just showed random episodes on it on tv. Sometimes, there were many episodes you didnt see. Especially if you couldnt watch it every day. And even if you could, there might be some you missed I believe that is what they are getting at
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11110111011
08/15/21 10:02:05 AM
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I had to click on this topic thinking it would be something ridiculous.

I have never heard of Beast Wars. So no, Optimus is definitely a semi-truck and not a gorilla.
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Fierce_Deity_08
08/15/21 10:30:52 AM
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This makes me wonder what kind of vehicle that Donkey Kong would turn into. Ive already seen Pikachu as a VW Beetle.

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party_animal07
08/15/21 10:32:54 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
I this whats he saying was it was sometimes hard to watch all of a show (or follow it sometimes) back when a lot of us were kids. Many shows just showed random episodes on it on tv. Sometimes, there were many episodes you didnt see. Especially if you couldnt watch it every day. And even if you could, there might be some you missed I believe that is what they are getting at
Seriously, I don't get why it's so hard to believe. I didn't even know until a decade after I watched Beast Wars that it wasn't the OG series.

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LinkPizza
08/15/21 10:59:06 AM
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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
Ive already seen Pikachu as a VW Beetle.

I think I saw Pikachu as a "Pikachu chu train"...
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Dmess85
08/15/21 12:37:44 PM
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Is beast wars canon?

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LinkPizza
08/15/21 12:40:57 PM
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Dmess85 posted...
Is beast wars canon?

According to Google, everything is canon...

Though, right after, it talks about how there are contradictions that makes things not canon... So, who knows...

But what the internet keeps saying is it's all canon... And fans have figured out ways to almost make it all work together... Because that's how fans are...
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rexcrk
08/15/21 4:58:18 PM
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Optimus Prime was never a gorilla though

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Metalsonic66
08/15/21 5:29:19 PM
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I rewatched Beast Wars with my brother a few years ago. The animation doesn't hold up so well, and some of the dialog is cheesy, but the plot and the character development and the voice acting all stay strong

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CyborgSage00x0
08/15/21 6:57:12 PM
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I actually liked 90's Beast Wars more than most of 80's Transformers, and I'm aware that makes me a minority, here. Also, I still have a bunch of the 90's/early 00's Beast Wars toys, especially the metal ones, like Rattrap, Dinobot, etc.

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ParanoidObsessive
08/15/21 9:26:16 PM
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...
Pffft, details. He's effectively Optimus Prime in a monkey suit.

That's like saying John Quincy Adams was just John Adams in a Quincy suit.

Also, if John Quincy Adams traveled back in time 50 years and stole his past-dad's soul to become Ultra-President Adamus Maximus. And now suddenly I wish we did in fact live in that world.



LinkPizza posted...
According to Google, everything is canon...

Though, right after, it talks about how there are contradictions that makes things not canon... So, who knows...

It's mostly Beast Machines that complicates things, if I recall correctly. Because Beast Wars was deliberately written to be canonical to the original show, but by Beast Machines they'd kind of stopped caring so the writing got a bit lazier and contradictions started cropping up.



CyborgSage00x0 posted...
I actually liked 90's Beast Wars more than most of 80's Transformers, and I'm aware that makes me a minority, here.

The problem is that, while the writing in Beast Wars might actually have been better than the original series, the CGI looks like absolute shit. And it's not even a case of just not aging well, it looked like shit then too.

I pretty much refused to watch the show at the time because of how terrible it looked. It wasn't really until years later when people talked up how good it was and how it was canonical to the original show that I started looking into it. And my reaction was mostly "Man, I wish this show hadn't looked so terrible, because I probably would have enjoyed it."

A lot of that's going to depend on how old you were when it came out, though. 19 year old me wasn't going to put up with the shitty CGI version of a show I'd loved as an 8-year old, but if you were somewhere around 8-12 when Beast Wars came out you probably would have had a much higher tolerance for bad CGI and no real prior history with the franchise to trigger your nostalgia hives.
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CyborgSage00x0
08/15/21 10:03:28 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
I pretty much refused to watch the show at the time because of how terrible it looked. It wasn't really until years later when people talked up how good it was and how it was canonical to the original show that I started looking into it. And my reaction was mostly "Man, I wish this show hadn't looked so terrible, because I probably would have enjoyed it."
It definitely was in that un-sweet spot of early CGI that simply wasn't good, or lacked the money to make it good. The thing is, I remember all the characters looking fine, it's more that the movement and stuff was very stilted, blocky, and tank-like. Everything moves a bit too unnaturally, and the background/world seems like a matte painting of sorts.

It's been years since I've seen it though, even though I own the DVDs.

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Metalsonic66
08/15/21 10:20:09 PM
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The original carlton's animation doesn't hold up too well either.

Transformers Prime is (mostly) great

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rexcrk
08/16/21 6:14:46 AM
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Beast Wars animation still looks fine to me. Thats probably mostly based on nostalgia and Im probably blinded by the good storytelling too.

I know it has its faults (backgrounds and certain physical character interactions) but like the characters themselves- especially the facial expressions- look great! They actually look alive, especially compared to some of the shows that came after.

And dont say ummm have you SEEN the show lately??? because I literally had it on this past Saturday because I wanted to watch some of the OG Beast Wars after watching an episode of Kingdom.

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Krazy_Kirby
08/16/21 7:29:11 AM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
The original carlton's animation doesn't hold up too well either.



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rexcrk
08/16/21 7:49:52 AM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
The original carlton's animation doesn't hold up too well either.
The non-AKOM episodes still look pretty good to me. But maybe Im just a sucker for that old school animation that was drawn by hand lol.

The movie, especially, looks fantastic.

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Metalsonic66
08/16/21 2:57:11 PM
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The movie is a clear step up from the show, for sure

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Ferarri619
08/16/21 6:17:29 PM
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I'm on episode 3 of season 2 of OG 80s Transformers now, and it's way better than season 1 already. The writing is better and the introduction of a female character makes things interesting.
The writing on season 1 was awful, not gonna lie.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
08/16/21 7:55:57 PM
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Optimus Prime isn't normally a semi truck either. The Ark reconfigured him to look like one in order to blend in with Earth technology.

rexcrk posted...
Optimus Prime was never a gorilla though
Finally, some sense. He was still a robot, only disguised as a gorilla. He was not really a gorilla.

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JTekashiro
08/17/21 4:51:50 PM
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Ferarri619 posted...
I grew up in the 90s with Beat Wars/Beast Machines so I always pictured Optimus Prime as a gorilla in his first form, but that was just for that generation? Whoa
I'm rewatching Beast Wars after like 20 years. It's cool that it's free. I decided to do some quick research on the whole franchise and not seeing Optimus Prime as a gorilla is foreign to me.

Beast Machines? You might have watched Beast Wars, if you got Fox Rochester, but we got Beasties here on YTV.

We also got Generation 2 on YTV in the 90s so...
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Krazy_Kirby
08/17/21 5:32:29 PM
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JTekashiro posted...


Beast Machines? You might have watched Beast Wars, if you got Fox Rochester, but we got Beasties here on YTV.

We also got Generation 2 on YTV in the 90s so...


beast machines was the name of the final season, almost a completely new show
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Ferarri619
08/17/21 5:53:05 PM
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JTekashiro posted...
Beast Machines? You might have watched Beast Wars, if you got Fox Rochester, but we got Beasties here on YTV.

We also got Generation 2 on YTV in the 90s so...

@JTekashiro I know it was called Beasties in Canada. Beast Wars and Beasties are the same show. I just always refer to it as Beast Wars since that's more universally known, and the DVD sets, streams etc. are all called Beast Wars.

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TigerTycoon
08/17/21 6:13:54 PM
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Ferarri619 posted...
I grew up in the 90s with Beat Wars/Beast Machines so I always pictured Optimus Prime as a gorilla in his first form, but that was just for that generation? Whoa
I'm rewatching Beast Wars after like 20 years. It's cool that it's free. I decided to do some quick research on the whole franchise and not seeing Optimus Prime as a gorilla is foreign to me.

They explain that in Beast Wars, the animal forms shielded them from the abundance of energon on the planet, that would otherwise have fried them from over exposure when outside the shielding of their ship.

At least, that's what I remember from watching it a long time ago.
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Metalsonic66
08/17/21 11:48:22 PM
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Beast Machines was such a weird show. Basically took away all the good elements of Beast Wars and changed several characters for no reason

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BEERandWEED
08/18/21 12:00:29 AM
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My friends call me potimus dime.
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Ferarri619
08/18/21 4:24:06 PM
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I just got to the scene where the Decepticons were all drunk around the campfire.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transformers/comments/8t2se9/ah_those_were_the_good_old_days_back_on_cybertron/

"i though he said "ugly ass disguises!"
i'm kinda sad now"

That's exactly what I thought lmao. I rewinded a couple times and was like "wow did Megatron really just say ASS"

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helIy
08/18/21 4:42:51 PM
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optimus primal is definitely just optimus prime

you know it, i know it, po knows it

yall need to stop lying to yourselves and let the truth out

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Krazy_Kirby
08/18/21 5:15:18 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Beast Machines was such a weird show. Basically took away all the good elements of Beast Wars and changed several characters for no reason


all new writers, and they weren't allowed to watch the older episodes
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TigerTycoon
08/18/21 5:21:38 PM
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helIy posted...
optimus primal is definitely just optimus prime

you know it, i know it, po knows it

yall need to stop lying to yourselves and let the truth out

The thing is, Optimus Primal comes into contact with the original truck Optimus due to time travel shenanigans. His body than becomes more like truck optimus after merging with him for a time.
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