Board 8 > Rate the Ace Attorney case: Recipe for Turnabout (3-3)

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Rules:

1. Rate each case on a scale from 1 to 10 with 1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest. Anything above 10 gets rounded down to a 10, and anything below a 1 gets rounded up to a 1.
2. Anything beyond one decimal point will be rounded accordingly: .04 and below will be rounded down, .05 and up will be rounded up.
3. You may grade on any criteria you like.
4. You can rate cases from previous topics if you miss a topic.

Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PiEuURt1qf19VoYzcFCU1EFa8uqs2teJiVcip7JmjDw/edit?usp=sharing

Previous Results:

Farewell, My Turnabout (2-4) - 9.7 (29 votes)
Turnabout Goodbyes (1-4) - 9.2 (32 votes)
Rise from the Ashes (1-5) - 8.2 (28 votes)
The Stolen Turnabout (3-2) - 7.8 (19 votes)
Turnabout Samurai (1-3) - 7.4 (29 votes)
Turnabout Memories (3-1) - 7.3 (29 votes)
Reunion, and Turnabout (2-2) - 6.5 (25 votes)
Turnabout Sisters (1-2) - 5.7 (25 votes)
The First Turnabout (1-1) - 4.9 (25 votes)
Turnabout Big Top (2-3) - 3.7 (25 votes)
The Lost Turnabout (2-1) - 3.3 (27 votes)

3-2 does well. The cast and the uniqueness of the case were strengths in its favor. Though, this was the lowest amount of votes for a case so far. Is it because of Easter weekend? Or is it because I typoed the case shorthand in the title?

Summary:

The papers say Phoenix Wright lost his case defending Maggey Bryde in another murder. Funny thing is, Phoenix never took that case. Is there really an imposter attorney running around? Phoenix appeals Maggey's case to get to the bottom of it.

Main Characters: Phoenix Wright, Maya Fey, Mia Fey, Pearl Fey, Dick Gumshoe, Godot, The Judge
Other Characters: Maggey Byrde, Glen Elg, Jean Armstrong, Victor Kudo, Viola Cadaverini, Furio Tigre, Lisa Basil, Bruto Cadaverini

My rating: 5.5/10. Day 1 feels pretty slow. Even the trial feels slow, especially knowing that everything Kudo sees was fabricated. Day 2 really ramps it up. Tender Lender and Blue Screens are both really memorable locations with memorable characters. I really like both Viola's role and MC Bomber.

6. The culprit is fun (especially when taking the stand), and the exchanges between Phoenix, Maya, Godot and the Judge are all great (especially in second Trial day), but the case doesn't really pick up until the second investigation day.

8

This case has possibly the best set of single case characters for me which helps a lot. Viola Cadaverini is amazing. That being said the story of the case itself isn't too gripping.

3-2 - 6.5/10. Unoffensive filler case

8

Tigre rules. Godot's fun here too.

3-2: 9/10, a unique thrill ride with plenty of surprises

3-3: 7/10, it's good, but has too many sequences that aren't overly memorable for me to truly love it. Way better than 1-3 and 2-3, though.

7

kind of drags at points. some really fun characters though.

8/10

Tigre is hilarious and I actually like the subversion to making you choose a lot of your presses in this case. Also I don't find Armstrong as bad as a lot of people and I can't really explain why. Viola and the old man (forget his name) aren't bad either.

3-2 - 7/10 - Conversely, Luke and the DeLites never really stuck with me the way I know they do with some, particularly Luke. Also everything Para said in the actual topic was pretty spot on.

Bitto posted...

Or is it because I typoed the case shorthand in the title?

For me it was that.

7

I don't really like having two cases in a row where Phoenix tricks the killer into saying something he shouldn't, and a significant chunk of the trial is taken up by a witness claiming to have installed a mirror that he later admits was just a lie that makes the whole thing pointless, but other than that, it's fine.

7/10

Tigre is great. He's the rare non-epic villain that Phoenix has a personal stake in taking down. Bonus points to the most unique use of spirit channeling in the series. Wish there had been more stuff like that!

The details of the murder are a bit silly though. Tres Bien still has everything cordoned off and the crime scene undisturbed a full month later? Blue Screens Inc. still has all of Glen Elg's stuff a full month later? Maggey is still wearing her waitress uniform in prison? It strains credulity perhaps more than any other case in the series, but it makes up for it with a memorable cast and fun locations.

5.8/10

This is, like, right at average for an AA case to me. Defendant's fine, villain's fine, the twist is..... ok. Victim kinda sucks. Personally not as big on Viola as the masses are, and Kudo sucks real bad. Lisa is cool, but she might be the least important AA character with a sprite ever. Gumshoe is at his best here, so that's good, I guess?

It's a huge testament to T&T that this is the worst case in the game. It's so good.

The more you think about this case, the more cracks appear. But honestly, this is about as fun to play as any case in the series. This is maybe the funniest AA case of all, and I don't think Maya, Gumshoe, or the Judge get any better than this.

8.5/10

6

7/10

To enjoy this case I basically HAVE to pretend that they didn't fuck up the premise from the very beginning. This case should take place ONE DAY after Maggey's conviction, not ONE MONTH. I have no idea why they did this! They didn't do anything interesting with the idea of it being a cold case, it mostly happens as if it just happened yesterday anyway (everything still looks like an active crime scene!), so I don't even know what the point of writing it this way was. Otherwise, I like everything about this case. Every investigation is fun (except for one annoying point where it's hard to figure out what to do next in the restaurant), the locations are all great and the characters are really enjoyable, the murder is interesting enough, it's just a fun case. I dunno why people seem to have a dislike for it.

5/10

I really don't like the supporting cast of this case, and that's a big part of AA for me. But to be fair, it's sandwiched between a lot of great cases.

7

No, Maya, that is SPARDA.

5/10

10/10 for 3-2

7/10

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5/10

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Tigre really carries this case, every other character introduced is uh not great! I guess Viola's fine, but the rest?

4

7/10

7

2-4: 10/10.

3-1: 8/10.

3-2: 8/10

3-3: 7/10

Haven't quite reached this is my replay, but I don't remember this case having any real high points or anything particularly bad

I'll be the guy to say it: Kudo is great. He has a really unique characterization for the series. He's the old man who feels like the world has left him behind, and he thinks he's a nuisance to his family, to boot. His antics in court are his desperate attempt to prove he's not obsolete, and deep down, he just wants to be helpful to someone.

Even his waitress fetish is used effectively because of the moment when Maya channels Mia just to get Kudo to tell them what he knows.

I also like Victor Kudo. I'm not going to pretend that he's an extraordinarily deep character but I think his characterization is surprisingly subtle for a goofy witness.

Yeah, I don't think he's super deep or anything. What I said is basically all there is to him, but they tell a decent story without being in your face about it. Like yeah, Kudo is an annoying, aggressive dude, but the game justifies it and you can piece it all together if you pay attention.

Also I found the seed throwing thing kinda funny anyway, so Kudo doesn't annoy me that much to begin with.

aside from the horrific music in the cafe, the locations in this case are super-varied and awesome. you go from the cafe to a park to the computer office to cadaverini mansion - all great stuff

Tender Lender is probably on the medal stand of Ace Attorney locations. Between Viola constantly popping up out of nowhere and the feeling that Tigre could show up any moment, there's a palpable tension you don't really get anywhere else.

I like that against all odds Kudo is one of the very few witnesses that actually doesn't lie.

Leonhart4 posted...

Tender Lender is probably on the medal stand of Ace Attorney locations. Between Viola constantly popping up out of nowhere and the feeling that Tigre could show up any moment, there's a palpable tension you don't really get anywhere else.

"medal stand," eh

did someone nominate for mt rushmore

I think it might be a bit too obscure for a Rushmore topic

we're literally on b8!

Personally I think remembering all the locations is a bit too tough, though I've only played the games once each.

MacArrowny posted...

Personally I think remembering all the locations is a bit too tough, though I've only played the games once each.

Yeah, this is what I mean by too obscure, although maybe I should've said niche.

I could do it, but I'm probably close to double digit playthroughs of the OT at this point. I wouldn't expect a lot of others to be in the same boat as me!

8.2/10

The Stolen Turnabout - 8.3

I used to not like Recipe for Turnabout very much, but it kinda changed the last time I played it. I majored in accounting, so I took particular interest in the loan shark stuff in this case. The classic case of taking advantage of a guy with tremendous collateral but giving him initially good terms to attract him to apply for the loan (low starting payment of $50), but then make it so that if a single payment is missed the entire loan gets called in (and I would guess the loan terms would have been confusing, too), and meeting with Glen Elg personally.... (not to mention I think you learn he charged 100% apr? Can't remember for sure....) Yup, classic example of dirty tactics...

IIRC, this is the one case that has basically nothing to do with the rest of the plot of game 3, and it's nothing terribly exciting, given that it gets broken up over too many investigation periods where you talk to the same characters. Plus that chef dude makes me uncomfortable.

5/10

Bitto posted...

3-2 does well. The cast and the uniqueness of the case were strengths in its favor. Though, this was the lowest amount of votes for a case so far. Is it because of Easter weekend? Or is it because I typoed the case shorthand in the title?

I did not see the thread for 3-2. Insert your own reason. In fact, I still don't see it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8fac5265.jpg

The Stolen Turnabout is 3-2

Oh, I see...in that case, yes, that's exactly why I didn't click on it.

It was stolen!

7/10. Good but a little long.

Raka_Putra posted...

It was stolen!

Zvarri! The truth has once again been elegantly revealed to me.

azuarc posted...

IIRC, this is the one case that has basically nothing to do with the rest of the plot of game 3

Nah 3-2 is very much the same in that regard. That was the trade-off of having 3-1 be relevant.

3-2 and 3-3 are basically designed to introduce and develop Godot, and they drop some foreshadowing that becomes relevant in 3-4 and 3-5.

To some extent every case that isn't an intro has "develop the prosecutor" for relevance. This game just does the best job with that.

3-3 isn't relevant but sometimes I think about the fact that it's essentially the last case we ever get with the Phoenix/Maya status quo and I get a little sad

when Maya channels Mia to get info out of Kudo, it is the last time in canon we ever see Maya channel Mia (it happens in 3-5, but it's offscreen)

3-2 is pretty important for a few different reasons:

1) Its re-establishing the present day status quo after 2-4.

2) Obviously it introduces Godot and his grudge against Phoenix.

3) To a lesser extent, the urn sets up some of the last case.

3-3 not as much but it does still have some critical foreshadowing on Godot, wraps up some recurring character arcs and serves as one last hurrah for the trilogy with a final traditional case before getting into the meat of the story with the last two.

LightningStrikes posted...

1) Its re-establishing the present day status quo after 2-4.

It literally can't not do that unless it were also a flashback case. But also, and take it from someone who started playing 3-2 before JFA on accident, they keep the circumstances of that case extremely vague. Like I don't want to downplay 2-4 but it's not like it shatters the setting or anything.

3-3 was originally supposed to be part of JFA anyway. It just got cut for space.