Board 8 > Next time LMS makes a topic

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I honestly didn't think LMS was that bad, but as I've continued to read the things he posts and the reactions I can see where people get annoyed by it.

I think LMS is aware of what's happening but has decided to basically play into it as much as possible. He's...actively deciding to become a caricature of himself. To me, that's basically the symbol of a lost cause.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Telling people their actions are unwanted is how you get them to stop (or, well, you punch the daylights out of them if they don't take the hint/escalate legally/whatever else is the next step from 'stop'). If gamefaqs modding policy was sensible there would be a 'report for inappropriate content' option and we'd just use that en masse, but we don't have that so telling him 'you're stupid, shut up' is what we got.

OK then keep doing it, but it isn't having any real effect and unlike those other situations, you can pretend he doesn't exist quite easily. Like I said, after a certain point telling him to shut up stops being something done out of a realistic hope for a change in his behaviour and starts being about relieving personal frustration (or even enjoyment).

why don't people just block him, there's no shame in it. It's not like you're a better person for refusing to use the block feature

GuessMyUserName posted...

LMS 110% has self-awareness for what he's doing

This.

Once he even did Ultis literally obsessed routine! He also has been quite rude to others on occasion, definitely not on a level with certain others but it has happened.

If you want my personal theory, LMS was genuine when he joined the board, saw how people reacted, then dialled it up as a deliberate troll. The best option is not to engage, which wont make it go away but engaging will only make it worse.

XIII_Rocks posted...

Unless you think the whole thing is a meticulously constructed and false persona (in which case attacking him is playing into his hands), you are simply attacking him for being who he is.

ertyu rigged contests and insulted people all the time. The way the board treated him was still bullying. "He brought this all on himself" is bully victim blaming statement 101.

This is the way LMS is. It is clearly not going to change. This is not some created online persona (it's possible he has self awareness and has dialled it up, but I have my doubts). So then you're just attacking a guy for being the way he is - when "the way he is" is someone who virtually never insults anybody on a personal level, posting on a forum where there's a way to both never see his posts and ensure he never sees yours. Yet people choose to repeatedly dogpile on him whenever he makes a topic or post.

What is this awful bullying that people are doing to LMS and tell me it's anything near what people are doing to ertyu who very obviously had mental issues, mind you.

The most I see are people just clowning on LMS when he brings himself into a topic with his repetitive bullshit.

Edit: And even then, when people ignore him, he just keeps posting anyway. What does it matter to you or anyone else if they just tell him to shut up? Everyone here is an adult, and none of this supposed bullying is even anything intense or harsh.

I didn't compare levels (ertyu did worse stuff for a longer period, of course the response was more aggressive), just that it is bullying in both cases.

You all just need to teach LMS to insult you so it'll stop being bullying

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Edit: And even then, when people ignore him, he just keeps posting anyway. What does it matter to you or anyone else if they just tell him to shut up? Everyone here is an adult, and none of this supposed bullying is even anything intense or harsh.

Because it is sustained over years. I wouldn't have an issue if it was one or two of his topics or posts, but with LMS it is every topic or post. The harshness is more in the repetition and in the number of people doing it.

Leonhart4 posted...

You all just need to teach LMS to insult you so it'll stop being bullying

You can also just get XIII to say they deserve it

XIII_Rocks posted...

Because it is sustained over years. I wouldn't have an issue if it was one or two of his topics or posts, but with LMS it is every topic or post. The harshness is more in the repetition and in the number of people doing it.

Guy who knowingly shits up every topic he gets into with nonsense gets told to shut up when he does just that.

There's a place in hell for everyone who has contributed to this cruel bullying.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Guy who knowingly shits up every topic he gets into with nonsense gets told to shut up when he does just that.

There's a place in hell for everyone who has contributed to this cruel bullying.

Well firstly I don't think he's "knowingly" shitting up anything. He believes his posts have value and are relevant.

What is or isn't bullying is a fairly subjective line. I can't tell you what point I became comfortable with calling the responses to LMS that, but to me it has to be sustained so it would have been after months or years. What do you think would have to be happening for that to be a word you'd be comfortable using?

More than people mocking LMS for things he's completely unaware of or for things he's aware are irritating people by the repeated act of doing them

XIII_Rocks posted...

Well firstly I don't think he's "knowingly" shitting up anything. He believes his posts have value and are relevant.

What is or isn't bullying is a fairly subjective line. I can't tell you what point I became comfortable with calling the responses to LMS that, but to me it has to be sustained so it would have been after months or years. What do you think would have to be happening for that to be a word you'd be comfortable using?

At some point the burden is on the individual to realize their posts aren't wanted, even if they believe they have value. No one else does, it's not bullying to tell them so imo. But we're also past the point of "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?" like telling him his posts suck at this point to his face isn't gonna do anything, so I get why you think it's bullying. I don't though, he knows what he's doing.

XIII_Rocks posted...

He believes his posts have value and are relevant.

I don't believe this could possibly be true. He's been told millions of times that no one cares, so he's either not reading anyone else's posts or he's playing up a gimmick, both of which is troll behavior. Probably sitting there reading this topic laughing at all of us.

What I will say is that I haven't noticed LMS being like, outwardly hateful like Ulti or something, so there is that. He is just "annoying" not literal scum. The bit is so old though.

Emeraldegg posted...

At some point the burden is on the individual to realize their posts aren't wanted, even if they believe they have value. No one else does, it's not bullying to tell them so imo. But we're also past the point of "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?" like telling him his posts suck at this point to his face isn't gonna do anything, so I get why you think it's bullying. I don't though, he knows what he's doing.

There was the odd sign that he listened to the posts, but it was all coming through an LMS filter. Like he'd go from referencing youtube randos to like "yeah sorry to mention another 'youtube rando' BUT this thing they said is bad because...". He's unable to move off that topic but showed at least some evidence that he was trying to make his posts fit the audience a bit more. Granted it was wildly unsuccessful and the posts were still all over the place but his posts aren't one completely homogenous blob - there was a kind of progression.

CassandraCain posted...

I don't believe this could possibly be true. He's been told millions of times that no one cares, so he's either not reading anyone else's posts or he's playing up a gimmick, both of which is troll behavior. Probably sitting there reading this topic laughing at all of us.

I have a mountain of PMs from the guy that make this appear to be very much not the case

Like there are some differences in his posts over time as I said in the last post.

Also sorry Leon but I'm not sure how "he's unaware that we're insulting him so it's fine to continue mocking him to his face" is a good look

Nah, I said they don't affect his posting behavior except in very rare cases. I said the only way he could be unaware is if he literally doesn't read anyone's posts.

Here's the thing: People could be genuinely nice to him and it would change nothing, too.

XIII_Rocks posted...

There was the odd sign that he listened to the posts, but it was all coming through an LMS filter. Like he'd go from referencing youtube randos to like "yeah sorry to mention another 'youtube rando' BUT this thing they said is bad because...". He's unable to move off that topic but showed at least some evidence that he was trying to make his posts fit the audience a bit more. Granted it was wildly unsuccessful and the posts were still all over the place but his posts aren't one completely homogenous blob - there was a kind of progression.

I mean the real solution for him if he truly wants to interact with people is realize that the way he wants to do so, isn't how the rest of the board wants him to do so. So he can either foist his way onto us, or make a sacrifice. If he's trying to have his cake and eat it too then that obv isn't going to fly.

The sooner people realize that XIII is basically only out to preach to people and create arbitrary lines that he himself narrowly fits into so he can absolve himself of guilt the better.

There's a reason I've said "virtue signaling" more with regards to him than the entire rest of the board combined

To put things in perspective he probably thinks I deserve being attacked (he has attacked me in the past) and would not condemn me being "bullied" because I've said a mean thing a few times, even though basically no one here would call it as disruptive

When Leonhart and Private Biscuit, two of the most even-keeled people on the board, are two of the main people engaging and saying "hey wait a minute" you kinda gotta realize something's up

Shame he's a mod but I guess he fits right in with the weird moderation standards we've got around here.

Emeraldegg posted...

I mean the real solution for him if he truly wants to interact with people is realize that the way he wants to do so, isn't how the rest of the board wants him to do so. So he can either foist his way onto us, or make a sacrifice. If he's trying to have his cake and eat it too then that obv isn't going to fly.

Yes, if LMS is out there wondering "how can I change nothing about my behavior and have everyone else change their behavior toward me," he's outta luck.

XIII's stance here now makes sense why I got modded for sincerely telling lms to seek help.

But the "bullying" goes largely unmodded so really nothing makes sense.

I think rather than arguing about a separate user it probably makes sense to bring LMS into the conversation and see what he has to say. Otherwise it just devolves into sniping at each other because we disagree about someone who isnt even here.

Oh but I will say: LMS is way worse now because hes basically platforming extremists and grifters in a place where there is absolutely no desire to give those people a platform. Back in the day he was just a bit weird but harmless. I dont think the current behaviour is harmless.

LightningStrikes posted...

Oh but I will say: LMS is way worse now because hes basically platforming extremists and grifters in a place where there is absolutely no desire to give those people a platform. Back in the day he was just a bit weird but harmless. I dont think the current behaviour is harmless.

Absolutely. It's also why I think it's a calculated move. If you look at the way this board is that's like the worst thing to pick to talk about to the point where I have to lean that it's intentional to try and rile people up.

Lopen posted...

Someone talking about right wing youtubers definitely isn't anything that someone would do to intentionally annoy anyone here, because when I think of board 8-- they just love ultra right wing stuff

But yeah XIII will keep saying he's an innocent flower

LightningStrikes posted...

I think rather than arguing about a separate user it probably makes sense to bring LMS into the conversation and see what he has to say. Otherwise it just devolves into sniping at each other because we disagree about someone who isnt even here.

You can tag him but I wager he'll say nothing

Yeah as I said earlier, he won't even post in a topic about himself.

Seems unnatural, like maybe because if he did it would reveal some truth and clear this whole mess up.

FFDragon posted...

XIII's stance here now makes sense why I got modded for sincerely telling lms to seek help.

Generally using mental illness is seen as moddable (we mod using Trump Derangement Syndrome as an insult for example). And to be honest with you, saying "seek help" and nothing else in response to a topic about star wars or whatever it was doesn't really scream sincerity - it's the kind of thing usually said to insult or annoy someone.

Like right at the start of FF7 Remake Cloud says to Barret "get help" knowing it would piss him off. It wasn't a severe suggestion that Barret see a therapist. It's a pretty common way of antagonising people. I get why you might think it but that post doesn't really come off in that "sincere" way.

LightningStrikes posted...

If you want my personal theory, LMS was genuine when he joined the board, saw how people reacted, then dialled it up as a deliberate troll.

Lopen posted...

Absolutely. It's also why I think it's a calculated move.

What doesn't make sense about this is there's sooo little incentive. He has nowhere better to troll? He has nowhere better to promote grifters? He's spending so much time and effort on a group of like 120 jaded dudes?

Even Vlado, who has strong deep history with this board, went to Twitter for his nationalism, and greatly ramped down on B8. Ulti went to reddit. And so on.

I genuinely think LMS needs to see a therapist

I still remember when Vlado was a socialist!

LightningStrikes posted...

I still remember when Vlado was a socialist!

Still is, just added "national" to the beginning

foolm0r0n posted...

What doesn't make sense about this is there's sooo little incentive. He has nowhere better to troll? He has nowhere better to promote grifters? He's spending so much time and effort on a group of like 120 jaded dudes?

He's not here that much he could be using multiple platforms to do this kinda stuff and this one is just a fun hobby for him.

I just think it's a little too much of a coincidence that he'd happen to pick the best thing to rile b8 up about to get into.

XIII_Rocks posted...

Generally using mental illness is seen as moddable (we mod using Trump Derangement Syndrome as an insult for example). And to be honest with you, saying "seek help" and nothing else in response to a topic about star wars or whatever it was doesn't really scream sincerity - it's the kind of thing usually said to insult or annoy someone.

Like right at the start of FF7 Remake Cloud says to Barret "get help" knowing it would piss him off. It wasn't a severe suggestion that Barret see a therapist. It's a pretty common way of antagonising people. I get why you might think it but that post doesn't really come off in that "sincere" way.

Obviously it's not sincere concern but also he sincerely should seek help. Both can be true at once.

LMS is a hoot

I suspect he faces some isolation in the real world. I think he's generally satisfied with our interactions even though there isn't much substance there. I hesitate to say that the interactions are devoid of any value, but it's along those lines. I won't really explore why I think he behaves this way, but, I think he's harmless. His message board DNA is closest to Hardcore_adult I think.

Sheesh, what a damning comparison

Lopen posted...

He's not here that much he could be using multiple platforms to do this kinda stuff and this one is just a fun hobby for him.

I just think it's a little too much of a coincidence that he'd happen to pick the best thing to rile b8 up about to get into.

if nothing else, heres why I think hes sincere: I assume these YouTubers hes referencing are real people who actually said whatever LMS says they said, so he must really be watching this shit.

I cant believe someone waste their time watching that stuff as research for trolling the two dozen people here who still see his posts . That would be so deranged.

He'd message me repeatedly without a clear reason or mutual desire to talk about whatever he was talking about. He talked about odd off-site stuff like lists as contest evidence in the stats-topics, and I think he eventually landed on a contest leaderboard (though I can't find it right now)...but nobody who was relying on the evidence he had of off-site lists should be doing competitively well in a GameFAQs contest like that, so I think he could read and understand us just fine. He didn't feel reactive or responsive when we talked on the board either and it just felt weird.

I don't remember extremist-platforming talk from him, personally, but I blocked him years ago and trust ya'll who are saying it. He seemed harmless in some ways, but he seemed isolated enough to fall for that kind of pipeline too so I dunno. Sucks if true.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

I assume these YouTubers hes referencing are real people who actually said whatever LMS says they said, so he must really be watching this shit.

They're definitely real people but no one here is going to fact check him on what they did or didn't say so he could absolutely just namedrop whoever and attach them onto whatever inane point he wants to make to derail a topic.

Also I don't know if you actually read his posts much but the logic jumps he makes with the stuff we actually do know about means it'd basically be impossible to call him out on anything anyway. "They didn't say anything about The Last Jedi" "Yes but they talked about John McClane in Die Hard 3 which I feel is the perfect comparison to The Last Jedi"

Aight after finally catching up on all this, i think XIII and Harrichs posts about messaging LMS are pretty insightful

I assumed he was just some internet troll, because everything he posts - even his sig - comes across as so baity. But obviously something else is going on with him, and it sounds like hes someone whos really susceptible to youtube/social media algorithms on top of that

My new theory is he probably genuinely enjoys board 8 which is why he keeps coming back, he probably has a bunch of us blocked, and he copies random youtube or facebook comments and pastes them here to try to sound smart or insightful or something

So yeah you can close this topic if you want XIII lmao; you have a hard job and i dont envy you. 30-40 year old trolls like Lopen who were hating on Sballen in the farewell topic and coming at you for virtue signaling and shit lmao. Gamefaqs is wild

Leonhart4 posted...

Probably because his very existence is unnatural

He has movie obsessions some consider to be....unnatural.

TomNook7 posted...

Lets just all go in there and unironically discuss the fuck out of it

We're doing the next best thing and unironically discussing him

At first, I suspected that LMS may be autistic and Youtubers are the subject he's passionate about, so he physically cannot stop talking about them even after repeatedly being told that we're not interested. Now I'm not sure if that theory still holds water, or if he's trolling. Then again, both could be possible at once.

LightningStrikes posted...

Oh but I will say: LMS is way worse now because hes basically platforming extremists and grifters in a place where there is absolutely no desire to give those people a platform. Back in the day he was just a bit weird but harmless. I dont think the current behaviour is harmless.

If we're talking about the likes of the Drinker and MauLer, tbh I'm sorry. I think I'm increasingly realizing how deep into the alt right they are, and while I don't watch them I do watch others react to them so you could say not much different. I meant more to be complaining about the general online discourse but if that counts as platforming them I honestly did not mean that.

I recognize some arguments used to rationalize bullying in this topic.

Also yeah reviewers like those are my go-to examples when complaining about the state of online media discourse. So I apologize if I shouldn't even bring them up.

Hi LMS,

Thank you for weighing in. I think its fair to say, and you agree, that a these Youtubers are no good and people would appreciate it if you didnt bring them up. You may also be interested to know that they get engagement by saying deliberately outrageous things people will respond negatively to, so if you are spreading what theyre saying you could be helping them unwittingly. I hope that is all clear.

Yeah I also realized that most of the board is divorced from the context of a lot of what I post. I did try to give that context but it's also not something most of the board is invested in to begin with. Chris Stuckmann is one of the movie YouTubers I've followed for almost a decade so I've been more angry at people getting mad at him over his "non-review" of Madame Web.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Yeah I also realized that most of the board is divorced from the context of a lot of what I post. I did try to give that context but it's also not something most of the board is invested in to begin with. Chris Stuckmann is one of the movie YouTubers I've followed for almost a decade so I've been more angry at people getting mad at him over his "non-review" of Madame Web.

Have you considered it's because you only talk in non-sequiturs