Poll of the Day > Conservatives see Liberal MEN as WEAK and BETA..Is that how you see them???

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according to statistics, most conservative men are conservative because it's the party of "alpha males" who don't bend down to "weaker" people and see men who have liberal ideology as weak because they submit to WOMEN and their causes which counters their image..

Liberal men who protest for feminism and female causes or animal rights and environmental issues while wearing their heart on their sleeve are not a manly thing and it's why a lot of men side with conservatives because it's all about guns, oil, hunting and power over the weak with a strong military..

are you one of those people who see liberal men as "weak"?

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Yeah, they should be leftists like real chads

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Zareth posted...

Yeah, they should be leftists like real chads

This is the correct take.

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Well most conservatives are old white men that love to oppose every group that doesn't belong in their mind. So basically they support white men that are religious and every other group can go fuck themselves.

Im the fucking GIGA SoyBoy

and Im fucking unstoppable

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Kotenks posted...

I don't see them as weak. I do hate how apologetic they can be. "God, us guys are just the worst. Sorry ladies that you have to live on a planet with us" That crap irritates me.

Seriously. That and "Sorry I was born white." If you haven't contributed to racism or racial oppression, you have nothing to apologize for.

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Left/right doesn't really work as a monolith for this, but there are certainly subsections where those things could be true, especially since the stereotype kinda comes from individuals within those subsections. It includes a lot of bad-faith male feminists who use the movement to try to endear themselves with women and specifically rely on it because they're either weak or offer little actual value to women. ("Men are evil, but I'm not like them, so you should sleep with me.")

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I don't like making it a binary thing, it's more complicated than just you're in one camp or the other.

But I would say yes, they tend towards being "Beta" more.
But also to be fair, I'd say that on the far right end of the spectrum, the church basically indoctrinates guys to be betas, too. I've heard numerous stories where the dude was religious and tried to make it work w/ a spouse that cheated b/c his beliefs made him think he was obligated to try and "save" the marriage.

streamofthesky posted...

But also to be fair, I'd say that on the far right end of the spectrum, the church basically indoctrinates guys to be betas, too. I've heard numerous stories where the dude was religious and tried to make it work w/ a spouse that cheated b/c his beliefs made him think he was obligated to try and "save" the marriage.

That's kinda non-gendered, though, because women are also encouraged to save the marriage when the guy cheats. Granted, most people want to try to make a marriage work unless they're already at each others' throats.

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Zeus posted...

That's kinda non-gendered, though, because women are also encouraged to save the marriage when the guy cheats. Granted, most people want to try to make a marriage work unless they're already at each others' throats.

Well yeah, but the topic was about men. And women usually aren't derisively called "beta", anyway.
And no, I think most rational people would end things if their partner cheated. Religious beliefs lead people to think divorce is wrong and to be avoided if at all possible.
And it was just one example. Pretty much every dating behavior a devoutly Christian guy would exhibit while pursuing a wife would be considered "beta".

party_animal07 posted...

"Sorry I was born white."

I have never in all my years heard a person say this

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I am definitely a beta in the way we use it in Dutch (STEM is probably the closest equivalent), I am also most definitely not a liberal. We have 3 relevant liberal parties here and they are all more to the right than I am.

Edit: toxic masculinity like this is also one of the reasons I had a major identity crisis in my late teens.

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streamofthesky posted...

And no, I think most rational people would end things if their partner cheated. Religious beliefs lead people to think divorce is wrong and to be avoided if at all possible.

That, and you know, people are with their partners because they like them. If they think there's a chance that things could still work out with the person they fell in love with, a lot of people will take it. You talk about "rationality," but -- overlooking that reason and emotion aren't always on speaking terms, which is why so bad relationships exist (and certain people get into bad relationship after bad relationship) -- wouldn't it be far more rational to try to salvage a relationship you wanted than to try to build something new with somebody else?

streamofthesky posted...

And it was just one example. Pretty much every dating behavior a devoutly Christian guy would exhibit while pursuing a wife would be considered "beta".

Elaborate?

Nichtcrawler X posted...

I am definitely a beta in the way we use it in Dutch (STEM is probably the closest equivalent),

Huh?

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Edit: toxic masculinity like this is also one of the reasons I had a major identity crisis in my late teens.

Oh lawdy... "toxic masculinity" is largely feminist propaganda

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Zeus posted...

Huh?

We call physics, chemistry, biology etc "beta-sciences".

Zeus posted...

Oh lawdy... "toxic masculinity" is largely feminist propaganda

It is the best word I have.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

We call physics, chemistry, biology etc "beta-sciences".

It is the best word I have.

Well call me Dr. Beta

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

We call physics, chemistry, biology etc "beta-sciences".

Then what are the alpha-sciences? Oo

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Zeus posted...

Then what are the alpha-sciences? Oo

Language, history, philosophy, music, literature, culture, art and theology.

And to complete the list, gamma-sciences are society, economy and law based.

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Zeus posted...

Oh lawdy... "toxic masculinity" is largely feminist propaganda

You've still never actually answered me when I ask you what you believe that term means.

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Kotenks posted...

I don't see them as weak. I do hate how apologetic they can be. "God, us guys are just the worst. Sorry ladies that you have to live on a planet with us" That crap irritates me.

That's not liberal. That's white knight. People who say that are just pretending to be feminist in hopes of getting laid.

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Zeus posted...

It includes a lot of bad-faith male feminists who use the movement to try to endear themselves with women and specifically rely on it because they're either weak or offer little actual value to women. ("Men are evil, but I'm not like them, so you should sleep with me.")

This is a thing, although it is worth acknowledging that on the other side of the aisle there's a lot of incels and other such sexists that hate women for not wanting to be a tradwife fuckservant for them.

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Zeus posted...

That, and you know, people are with their partners because they like them. If they think there's a chance that things could still work out with the person they fell in love with, a lot of people will take it. You talk about "rationality," but -- overlooking that reason and emotion aren't always on speaking terms, which is why so bad relationships exist (and certain people get into bad relationship after bad relationship) -- wouldn't it be far more rational to try to salvage a relationship you wanted than to try to build something new with somebody else?

Sounds like the sunk cost fallacy.

Elaborate?

The way they're told to approach dating falls into the stereotype of "beta" behaviors...
Being a gentleman, paying for dates, taking it slow in general and waiting till marriage, etc...
We're talking about the stereotypes for "alpha" and "beta" here, I'm just pointing out that the religious right could just as easily as the "woke left" men be seen as betas.

They are quite weak and in the case of male feminists, often predatory as well.
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No, and I am one. Personally, I think the right tends to see anything intellectual and unselfish that way.

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streamofthesky posted...

I don't like making it a binary thing, it's more complicated than just you're in one camp or the other.

But I would say yes, they tend towards being "Beta" more.
But also to be fair, I'd say that on the far right end of the spectrum, the church basically indoctrinates guys to be betas, too. I've heard numerous stories where the dude was religious and tried to make it work w/ a spouse that cheated b/c his beliefs made him think he was obligated to try and "save" the marriage.

divorce hurts the children

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Wanded posted...

divorce hurts the children

If you do it right, divorce hurts children significantly less than trying to force a failed marriage to work does. Children are only really hurt by divorces when their parents make it more difficult than it has to be.

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adjl posted...

If you do it right, divorce hurts children significantly less than trying to force a failed marriage to work does. Children are only really hurt by divorces when their parents make it more difficult than it has to be.

if you do it right a failed marriage hurts children significantly less than trying to force a divorce. children are really only hurt by divorces when their parents make it more difficult than it has to be.

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Smarkil posted...

if you do it right a failed marriage hurts children significantly less than trying to force a divorce. children are really only hurt by divorces when their parents make it more difficult than it has to be.

By and large, people are going to be happier amicably going their separate ways than trying to stick out a relationship they're not happy with, and it's parents being unhappy that hurts kids more so than parents being separated.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Language, history, philosophy, music, literature, culture, art and theology.

Wait, what? Those aren't even sciences.

Nichtcrawler X posted... And to complete the list, gamma-sciences are society, economy and law based.

Also not really sciences.

adjl posted...

You've still never actually answered me when I ask you what you believe that term means.

I probably have several times in the past already -- because this feels like something we've talked about at length multiple times already -- although you would need to cite a specific instance of when you asked it.

streamofthesky posted...

Sounds like the sunk cost fallacy.

Possibly? Realistic speaking, though, the idea that cheating is an absolute deal-breaker when so many more serious issues are not is more than a little weird. It would also depend on the extent. If a guy learned that his kid wasn't actually his, then that would be some pretty serious shit. That's kinda why women have it easier, since they'll always know their kid is their kid (unless he was switched at birth with a changeling or something)


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Zeus posted...

Wait, what? Those aren't even sciences.

Just different methodologies.

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Honestly, liberal men creep me out. Especially the ones that claim to be 'female/feminist/whatever allies'. It feels... really artificial? It's the only way I can describe it. Like they're proclaiming those virtues to cover up the fact that they're also the kind of guy who would beat their wife or force a woman against her will or something. I'm sure there's plenty who are good people but it also feels like it's only a matter of time before they say/do... something... that proves them blatant liars/hypocrites or like they're, I dunno, championing gay rights because they also are the ones who secretly act like hyper-racists behind the scenes and they think it evens out somehow?

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Unbridled9 posted...

Especially the ones that claim to be 'female/feminist/whatever allies'

how often do you actually encounter guys that say shit like that out in the wild? I have maybe twice and both times it seemed like obnoxious pandering to impress girls, but I dont even think most dudes that are liberal minded think or talk that way

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There are some sure, but I see way more snowflakes on the right really.

Complaining that you can't breathe through a thin piece of cloth that you wear for about 3 minutes to pick up smokes isn't very manly imo.

Neither is being triggered by rainbow or any movie with a black person in it.

Unbridled9 posted...

Honestly, liberal men creep me out. Especially the ones that claim to be 'female/feminist/whatever allies'. It feels... really artificial?

Men who go out of their way to tell people they are feminists rather than letting their actions speak for them, should be avoided at all costs.

Most of them seem to end up cheating on their wives or some other shady shit.

Collat posted...

There are some sure, but I see way more snowflakes on the right really.

Complaining that you can't breathe through a thin piece of cloth that you wear for about 3 minutes to pick up smokes isn't very manly imo.

Neither is being triggered by rainbow or any movie with a black person in it.

Honestly, I suspect that, for at least some of them, it's less about the mask and more about power/control. I.E. they're not going to let some employee tell them what to do no matter what the employee tells them to do and they're not going to follow the rules/laws if they don't want to. It just so happens that this puts them on the conservative side in an argument that both shouldn't exist and shouldn't have become political in the first place.

I mean, think about it, how many times have you seen a Karen go off on an employee who was just trying to help them but not in the exact way they wanted to be helped? Or ignore clear rules, signs, etc. effectively because they can? The sort of person who takes up multiple spaces or parks in handicapped spaces or w/e because they feel entitled to do so?

Men who go out of their way to tell people they are feminists rather than letting their actions speak for them, should be avoided at all costs.

Most of them seem to end up cheating on their wives or some other shady shit.

Fully agree there. Feels like an attempt at a come-on/pick-up line.

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Zeus posted...

I probably have several times in the past already -- because this feels like something we've talked about at length multiple times already -- although you would need to cite a specific instance of when you asked it.

And your answer was...?

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I would say both sides can be betas to different things. Ultimately being alpha to me means being your own person; not your political party's. But I think for the average person, if liberals encourage men to become more sensitive, then logically, that could make you more at-risk of becoming overly soft if you have no tough, virtuous masculine influence in your life to balance it... which, if I may say, seems like a lot of guys who retreat into video games.

Well, if we're asking who I'm betting on in a fistfight, I'm taking Bubba from Alabama over Liam from Portland 10/10 times

Also, I see conservatives as far less likely to back down from conflict than people on the left. On the internet, leftists talk really big though

The trick is to just look physically intimidating so no one even tries to start a conflict in the first place

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Zeus posted...

Possibly? Realistic speaking, though, the idea that cheating is an absolute deal-breaker when so many more serious issues are not is more than a little weird. It would also depend on the extent. If a guy learned that his kid wasn't actually his, then that would be some pretty serious shit. That's kinda why women have it easier, since they'll always know their kid is their kid (unless he was switched at birth with a changeling or something)

...I just realized I'm listening to a guy named "Zeus" try to tell me that infidelity isn't so bad.

Unbridled9 posted...

Honestly, liberal men creep me out. Especially the ones that claim to be 'female/feminist/whatever allies'. It feels... really artificial? It's the only way I can describe it. Like they're proclaiming those virtues to cover up the fact that they're also the kind of guy who would beat their wife or force a woman against her will or something. I'm sure there's plenty who are good people but it also feels like it's only a matter of time before they say/do... something... that proves them blatant liars/hypocrites or like they're, I dunno, championing gay rights because they also are the ones who secretly act like hyper-racists behind the scenes and they think it evens out somehow?

I wish all of the "male allies" would see posts like this.
This is what the feminists really think of you, guys.
They'll feign pleasantries to your face b/c they need the extra votes, but don't ever delude yourself to the fact that they'll always find you distrustful and disgusting, because you were still born the "wrong" gender.

OhhhJa posted...

Also, I see conservatives as far less likely to back down from conflict than people on the left.

Only when they are armed.

OhhhJa posted...

Well, if we're asking who I'm betting on in a fistfight, I'm taking Bubba from Alabama over Liam from Portland 10/10 times

Its a good thing its not 1890 anymore and the people who rely on their fists to solve problems end up on the bottom of the social spectrum. They can keep Betty Lou who's into the "real men" who can throw back cheap beer and jack up their pickups.

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Nothing like a bit of alpha male wife-beating to prove that strong, brave, real men know how to control a woman, is there?

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Nightwish posted...

Its a good thing its not 1890 anymore and the people who rely on their fists to solve problems end up on the bottom of the social spectrum. They can keep Betty Lou who's into the "real men" who can throw back cheap beer and jack up their pickups.

Yeah, it's true that your typical alpha male personality isn't necessarily ideal for climbing up the social ladder, especially nowadays. Lot of alpha male types are probably incarcerated