Poll of the Day > Kudos to Amazon for saying BMI is a terrible health indicator.

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SunWuKung420
04/25/21 5:50:01 PM
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KUDOS!

Seriously BMI is a total shit of a scale.

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Jen0125
04/25/21 5:55:08 PM
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Who cares what Amazon thinks about this

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SunWuKung420
04/25/21 5:56:49 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Who cares what Amazon thinks about this
It's clearly to get the healthcare system, especially insurance, to stop using an outdated and useless tool.

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shadowsword87
04/25/21 5:58:03 PM
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What does Amazon have to do with the healthcare system?
They order healthcare for their workers from it, I imagine, but they aren't providing it.

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Far-Queue
04/25/21 5:58:20 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
an outdated and useless tool
That's my wife's pet name for me

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SunWuKung420
04/25/21 5:59:47 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
What does Amazon have to do with the healthcare system?
They order healthcare for their workers from it, I imagine, but they aren't providing it.
If the healthcare and insurance started using an accurate measurement of health, the cost of healthcare would drop.

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streamofthesky
04/25/21 6:05:22 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
KUDOS!

Seriously BMI is a total shit of a scale.
Finally something I can agree with you on.

Why was Amazon bringing it up, though?
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SunWuKung420
04/25/21 6:07:03 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Why was Amazon bringing it up, though?
They have a new body health tool they are selling. And BMI is terrible for their healthcare costs.

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DirtBasedSoap
04/25/21 6:13:35 PM
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THANK YOU AMAZON WE LOVE YOU

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blu
04/25/21 6:15:31 PM
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BMI isn't great alone, but you can just do a quick check with your eyes to see if it's working well or not.
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Blightzkrieg
04/25/21 6:15:59 PM
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Over a large population it's probably a fine approximation, but there are obviously individuals for which it's not appropriate.

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SunWuKung420
04/25/21 6:17:04 PM
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blu posted...
BMI isn't great alone
And the healthcare insurance industry uses it alone to assume a persons level of health.

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shadowsword87
04/25/21 6:28:49 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Over a large population it's probably a fine approximation, but there are obviously individuals for which it's not appropriate.

Is it? I'm not sure, and likely you don't know either.
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Smarkil
04/25/21 6:29:57 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
And the healthcare insurance industry uses it alone to assume a persons level of health.

so they dont factor in ANYTHING else huh?

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SunWuKung420
04/25/21 6:37:19 PM
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Smarkil posted...
so they dont factor in ANYTHING else huh?
Not unless it's a specific disease or ailment. For the majority, they only use height and weight.

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SunWuKung420
04/25/21 6:38:05 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Over a large population it's probably a fine approximation
No it's not.

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Blightzkrieg
04/25/21 7:25:23 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Is it? I'm not sure, and likely you don't know either.

SunWuKung420 posted...
No it's not.
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SunWuKung420
04/25/21 7:28:15 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
fatties detected
I'm toight like a tiger.

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Cacciato
04/25/21 7:49:21 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
Not unless it's a specific disease or ailment. For the majority, they only use height and weight.
And this is based off your extensive knowledge gained from deep frying wings and selling life insurance?
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Clench281
04/25/21 8:09:27 PM
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For every person where BMI is a poor indicator, there's 25 people where it does the job perfectly well

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Kanatteru
04/25/21 10:02:28 PM
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Clench281 posted...
For every person where BMI is a poor indicator, there's 25 people where it does the job perfectly well

that's still pretty bad dude

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shadowsword87
04/25/21 10:06:28 PM
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Clench281 posted...
For every person where BMI is a poor indicator, there's 25 people where it does the job perfectly well

Hey, you do science, is a 3.8% failure rate of a system good or bad?
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Jen0125
04/25/21 10:12:36 PM
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Cacciato posted...
And this is based off your extensive knowledge gained from deep frying wings and selling life insurance?

OMG I always forget about the insurance

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Cacciato
04/25/21 10:26:08 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
OMG I always forget about the insurance
WHAT?! You forgot about how he was going to make SO MUCH MONEY selling that shit lmao
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LinkPizza
04/25/21 10:27:14 PM
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BMI is shit, so good for Amazon. People on base hated it so much...
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Zeus
04/25/21 10:46:26 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
What does Amazon have to do with the healthcare system?

What does BMI have to do with the healthcare system, for that matter? It wasn't created by a healthcare professional, nor does it have much basis in health.

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CarefreeDude
04/25/21 10:48:12 PM
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I had to push my work to remove bmi calculations for children in the software


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shadowsword87
04/25/21 10:49:58 PM
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Zeus posted...
What does BMI have to do with the healthcare system, for that matter? It wasn't created by a healthcare professional, nor does it have much basis in health.

It matters because they use it as an index for health, so the fact that it's a bad system directly effects everyone.
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LinkPizza
04/25/21 10:54:38 PM
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Zeus posted...
What does BMI have to do with the healthcare system, for that matter? It wasn't created by a healthcare professional, nor does it have much basis in health.

They use it for health in some places. Like for a while, if you failed the waist measurement for the Air Force Physical test of whatever, they would use BMI. So, I guess enough places use BMI for health is some cases...
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eating4fun
04/25/21 10:55:21 PM
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BMI is fine. If you're obese according to BMI, you're either a fatty, or like 95% percentile in fitness. If you so happened to be "misclassified" due to its shortcomings, shouldn't you be proud to be abnormally fit?

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Jen0125
04/25/21 11:17:27 PM
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Cacciato posted...
WHAT?! You forgot about how he was going to make SO MUCH MONEY selling that shit lmao

He truly was going to be rich

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streamofthesky
04/26/21 12:36:51 AM
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shadowsword87 posted...
It matters because they use it as an index for health, so the fact that it's a bad system directly effects everyone.
They were using BMI to determine early eligibility groups for the COVID vaccine, at least in some states.
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AWinterJ
04/26/21 12:39:42 AM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
Seriously BMI is a total shit of a scale.

Are you mad because your BMI says you're obese?

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Far-Queue
04/26/21 5:51:07 AM
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CarefreeDude posted...
I had to push my work to remove bmi calculations for children in the software
How are there children in the software?!

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Clench281
04/26/21 6:30:37 AM
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Kanatteru posted...
that's still pretty bad dude

Height and weight are easily accessible data that have high reproducibility. There's just no equivalent for approximating fat mass that can be applied to data for millions of people. A doctor isn't going to look at a lean person with muscle mass and tell them they need to lose weight because of their body fat.

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Lokarin
04/26/21 12:45:04 PM
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I'm very short so when I look at my BMI I think I'd be like one of those 400lb big guys even though I'm not.

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Kyuubi4269
04/26/21 1:05:46 PM
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Of course Amazon would want to get rid of a metric that would make them culpable for their driver's obesity.
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SunWuKung420
04/26/21 1:35:06 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Of course Amazon would want to get rid of a metric that would make them culpable for their driver's obesity.
Considering they aren't responsible for an individuals fitness regimen, that's a very odd take.

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Muscles
04/26/21 1:41:41 PM
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I hate Amazon and surprised someone as woke and zen as you would support such an abusive company

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SunWuKung420
04/26/21 1:59:23 PM
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Muscles posted...
I hate Amazon and surprised someone as woke and zen as you would support such an abusive company

Did you buy that sharp edge from Amazon?

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Kanatteru
04/26/21 2:22:49 PM
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Clench281 posted...
There's just no equivalent for approximating fat mass that can be applied to data for millions of people.

right, sooo... let's just not bother with that and deal with people on a case by case basis?

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ReturnOfFa
04/26/21 2:27:14 PM
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I already knew this so thanks Amazon.

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Xfma100
04/26/21 2:29:00 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
They have a new body health tool they are selling.

Ah. It all makes sense now.
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Krazy_Kirby
04/26/21 4:54:57 PM
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so many fatasses at amazon that shouldn't be there. they are too fat to work fast enough.

and almost every single manager is overweight-obese
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shadowsword87
04/26/21 4:55:27 PM
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Kanatteru posted...
right, sooo... let's just not bother with that and deal with people on a case by case basis?

An overall statistic on how different populations are doing is a useful device to figure out which groups need aid and how to apply that aid.

It's just BMI sucks as that tool and should be replaced.
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FatBecky
04/27/21 2:58:19 AM
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im fat with a bmi of 34. i know a guy thats a full human head shorter than me and is pure muscle, has a bmi of 37. WTF?

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jloost-gamer
04/27/21 3:56:49 AM
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Amazon is one of the worst companies in the world, especially in the way they treat their employees. Amazon saying how bad BMI is as a health indicator is hypocritical, at the least. I mean, they're right and BMI should no longer be used as an indicator for health by national health institutes around the globe, but I don't give a flying shit what Amazon says about anything as long as they don't improve their toxic work environment that is killing the planet quickly, and its employees slowly, all while fattening the fattest wallets on the planet.

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zebatov
04/27/21 5:02:38 AM
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Whats a better system?
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Clench281
04/27/21 5:22:59 AM
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Kanatteru posted...
right, sooo... let's just not bother with that and deal with people on a case by case basis?

... We still do and will. BMI is a tool for screening and population level measurements.

It would be slightly better to use height-weight percentile data by age for men and women separately, but (sad as it is) that's too complicated for most people compared to a single number calculated the same for everyone.

My BMI is in the overweight category. My doctors see me in person and know that fat loss isn't a concern for my health. If I had tried to get an early covid vaccine because of my BMI, they rightly should have laughed me out of the clinic.

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What_The_Chris
04/27/21 6:14:46 AM
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only fat people hate BMI really

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