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Sorozone 02/10/21 5:59:15 PM #201:	Turns out they don't actually care for the boys in blue huh? --- https://m.twitch.tv/sorozone/profile <cite>Sorozone posted [p:950499878] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Turns out they don't actually care for the boys in blue huh? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/10/21 6:01:38 PM #202:	fuming posted... I agree the lotteries are better. If a child is not being sufficiently challenged by the current school system, you cannot use merit to distinguish who gets it, as often you will see cases like tony described where the students who are not being challenged actually underachieve. A good sign a student is being unfulfilled with their current situation is... trying to go to a magnet school that might make things better. These schools are not appropriate for most students and can be very stressful places for those insufficiently prepared or interested. I went to a magnet school and loved it, but there were some kids forced to go by their parents who would have been much happier at their base high schools. If Im not misreading Tony was identified by testing, which seems like an example of the system working? With the lottery, even the absolutely most qualified students who would be absolutely wasting their time at their base high schools are in most cases rejected. Furthermore, the reason these schools are good in the first place is primarily not because theyre given more resources or have the best teachers; its the accumulation of the critical mass of students necessary to offer more advanced coursework. If the students are the same as in any other school in the district the concept falls apart and youre not even offering anything special to the students who were lucky enough to attend. (It probably doesnt collapse entirely to a normal school because of selection effects, but a lot of the kids applying will be doing so because their parents made them anyway). --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:950499974] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>fuming posted... </cite> <quote>I agree the lotteries are better. If a child is not being sufficiently challenged by the current school system, you cannot use merit to distinguish who gets it, as often you will see cases like tony described where the students who are not being challenged actually underachieve. A good sign a student is being unfulfilled with their current situation is... trying to go to a magnet school that might make things better.</quote>These schools are not appropriate for most students and can be very stressful places for those insufficiently prepared or interested. I went to a magnet school and loved it, but there were some kids forced to go by their parents who would have been much happier at their base high schools. If Im not misreading Tony was identified by testing, which seems like an example of the system working? With the lottery, even the absolutely most qualified students who would be absolutely wasting their time at their base high schools are in most cases rejected. Furthermore, the reason these schools are good in the first place is primarily not because theyre given more resources or have the best teachers; its the accumulation of the critical mass of students necessary to offer more advanced coursework. If the students are the same as in any other school in the district the concept falls apart and youre not even offering anything special to the students who were lucky enough to attend. (It probably doesnt collapse entirely to a normal school because of selection effects, but a lot of the kids applying will be doing so because their parents made them anyway). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 02/10/21 6:17:13 PM #203:	You still have to register for the lottery --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:950500461] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>You still have to register for the lottery </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/10/21 6:20:06 PM #204:	LordoftheMorons posted... These schools are not appropriate for most students and can be very stressful places for those insufficiently prepared or interested. I went to a magnet school and loved it, but there were some kids forced to go by their parents who would have been much happier at their base high schools. If Im not misreading Tony was identified by testing, which seems like an example of the system working? With the lottery, even the absolutely most qualified students who would be absolutely wasting their time at their base high schools are in most cases rejected. Furthermore, the reason these schools are good in the first place is primarily not because theyre given more resources or have the best teachers; its the accumulation of the critical mass of students necessary to offer more advanced coursework. If the students are the same as in any other school in the district the concept falls apart and youre not even offering anything special to the students who were lucky enough to attend. (It probably doesnt collapse entirely to a normal school because of selection effects, but a lot of the kids applying will be doing so because their parents made them anyway). There are many kids who would thrive at a more challenging school who won't be selected to go there because the system misses their potential. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:950500528] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>These schools are not appropriate for most students and can be very stressful places for those insufficiently prepared or interested. I went to a magnet school and loved it, but there were some kids forced to go by their parents who would have been much happier at their base high schools. If Im not misreading Tony was identified by testing, which seems like an example of the system working? With the lottery, even the absolutely most qualified students who would be absolutely wasting their time at their base high schools are in most cases rejected. Furthermore, the reason these schools are good in the first place is primarily not because theyre given more resources or have the best teachers; its the accumulation of the critical mass of students necessary to offer more advanced coursework. If the students are the same as in any other school in the district the concept falls apart and youre not even offering anything special to the students who were lucky enough to attend. (It probably doesnt collapse entirely to a normal school because of selection effects, but a lot of the kids applying will be doing so because their parents made them anyway).</quote> There are many kids who would thrive at a more challenging school who won't be selected to go there because the system misses their potential. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/10/21 6:25:14 PM #205:	masterplum posted... You still have to register for the lottery Yes, hence my parenthetical about selection effects. A lot of the students who do register will do so because their parents made them (because the school is more prestigious), and there will be no opportunity to figure out which ones are not prepared besides them enrolling and finding out that they cant handle it. And even of the kids who do want to go youll be getting a group thats on average less qualified. --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:950500673] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>You still have to register for the lottery</quote>Yes, hence my parenthetical about selection effects. A lot of the students who do register will do so because their parents made them (because the school is more prestigious), and there will be no opportunity to figure out which ones are not prepared besides them enrolling and finding out that they cant handle it. And even of the kids who do want to go youll be getting a group thats on average less qualified. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/10/21 6:27:46 PM #206:	LordoftheMorons posted... Yes, hence my parenthetical about selection effects. A lot of the students who do register will do so because their parents made them (because the school is more prestigious), and there will be no opportunity to figure out which ones are not prepared besides them enrolling and finding out that they cant handle it. And even of the kids who do want to go youll be getting a group thats on average less qualified. The words you are using sort of exemplify the problem with the system- "prepared" and "qualified." Which kids are going to be prepared and qualified? The ones who have parents who have been preparing them from an early age - i.e. generally wealthier families. It's a really terrible to thing to tell a child that they aren't qualified, when the reason for that is that their parents are poor. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:950500762] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, hence my parenthetical about selection effects. A lot of the students who do register will do so because their parents made them (because the school is more prestigious), and there will be no opportunity to figure out which ones are not prepared besides them enrolling and finding out that they cant handle it. And even of the kids who do want to go youll be getting a group thats on average less qualified.</quote> The words you are using sort of exemplify the problem with the system- "prepared" and "qualified." Which kids are going to be prepared and qualified? The ones who have parents who have been preparing them from an early age - i.e. generally wealthier families. It's a really terrible to thing to tell a child that they aren't qualified, when the reason for that is that their parents are poor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/10/21 6:31:30 PM #207:	red sox 777 posted... There are many kids who would thrive at a more challenging school who won't be selected to go there because the system misses their potential. The lottery will miss most of these students too. Regardless of what you think we should be selecting for a lottery is strictly worse than picking based on whatever your preferred metric is. The argument seems to be that because testing/grades/etc are not absolutely perfectly correlated with making the best choice we should just throw them out and use no information whatsoever, which makes no sense. --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:950500887] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>There are many kids who would thrive at a more challenging school who won't be selected to go there because the system misses their potential.</quote>The lottery will miss most of these students too. Regardless of what you think we should be selecting for a lottery is strictly worse than picking based on whatever your preferred metric is. The argument seems to be that because testing/grades/etc are not absolutely perfectly correlated with making the best choice we should just throw them out and use no information whatsoever, which makes no sense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 02/10/21 6:33:03 PM #208:	lottery is whatever. decouple public school funding from property taxes --- Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination <cite>NFUN posted [p:950500928] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>lottery is whatever. decouple public school funding from property taxes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/10/21 6:38:52 PM #209:	red sox 777 posted... The words you are using sort of exemplify the problem with the system- "prepared" and "qualified." Which kids are going to be prepared and qualified? The ones who have parents who have been preparing them from an early age - i.e. generally wealthier families. It's a really terrible to thing to tell a child that they aren't qualified, when the reason for that is that their parents are poor. There is a minimum level of qualification necessary to be able to handle the curriculum at these schools. Is it wrong to not let kids who havent finished algebra into a calculus class? And not all differences in academic ability boils down to a difference in resources. There are high achieving poor kids and low achieving rich kids (including those whose parents have pushed them). You can account for differences in opportunity without flipping the table over and going to a lottery, leaving the most of the most talented kids of all backgrounds to go to their base schools because they werent lucky enough. --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:950501126] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>The words you are using sort of exemplify the problem with the system- "prepared" and "qualified." Which kids are going to be prepared and qualified? The ones who have parents who have been preparing them from an early age - i.e. generally wealthier families. It's a really terrible to thing to tell a child that they aren't qualified, when the reason for that is that their parents are poor.</quote>There is a minimum level of qualification necessary to be able to handle the curriculum at these schools. Is it wrong to not let kids who havent finished algebra into a calculus class? And not all differences in academic ability boils down to a difference in resources. There are high achieving poor kids and low achieving rich kids (including those whose parents have pushed them). You can account for differences in opportunity without flipping the table over and going to a lottery, leaving the most of the most talented kids of all backgrounds to go to their base schools because they werent lucky enough. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/10/21 6:43:05 PM #210:	LordoftheMorons posted... There is a minimum level of qualification necessary to be able to handle the curriculum at these schools. Is it wrong to not let kids who havent finished algebra into a calculus class? And not all differences in academic ability boils down to a difference in resources. There are high achieving poor kids and low achieving rich kids (including those whose parents have pushed them). You can account for differences in opportunity without flipping the table over and going to a lottery, leaving the most of the most talented kids of all backgrounds to go to their base schools because they werent lucky enough. There are definitely kids who would thrive in a calculus class who haven't finished algebra. I think the way I would have it is, these magnet schools can be partially filled by test scores, partially by in-school achievement, and partially by lottery. Maybe 1/3 - 1/3 - 1/3? --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:950501263] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>There is a minimum level of qualification necessary to be able to handle the curriculum at these schools. Is it wrong to not let kids who havent finished algebra into a calculus class? And not all differences in academic ability boils down to a difference in resources. There are high achieving poor kids and low achieving rich kids (including those whose parents have pushed them). You can account for differences in opportunity without flipping the table over and going to a lottery, leaving the most of the most talented kids of all backgrounds to go to their base schools because they werent lucky enough.</quote> There are definitely kids who would thrive in a calculus class who haven't finished algebra. I think the way I would have it is, these magnet schools can be partially filled by test scores, partially by in-school achievement, and partially by lottery. Maybe 1/3 - 1/3 - 1/3? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 02/10/21 6:45:45 PM #211:	NFUN posted... lottery is whatever. decouple public school funding from property taxes This. --- ~C~ FD https://imgur.com/dGDfxaw <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:950501356] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>NFUN posted... </cite> <quote>lottery is whatever. decouple public school funding from property taxes</quote> This. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/10/21 6:47:34 PM #212:	Note, if it were solely up to me, I'd seat 60% of the class based on test scores and 40% based on lottery. People who do well in school have enough advantages in life, so I wouldn't assign them any additional seats based on that. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:950501420] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Note, if it were solely up to me, I'd seat 60% of the class based on test scores and 40% based on lottery. People who do well in school have enough advantages in life, so I wouldn't assign them any additional seats based on that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fuming 02/10/21 7:08:37 PM #213:	I went to a magnet school as well, in a very low income, high crime part of town and something like 40% of the enrollment was alotted to specifically to the local children. There's a lot imperfect about any method of determining who gets into these schools, but I think just about anything is better than a purely "merit" based method, which as it has been said, would likely just lead to kids who come from well off backgrounds being the only ones able to get in. At the same time, I don't necessarily think attending a magnet school necessarily leads to a better education or outcome for everyone. My school was actually lower rated than my zoned high school ("B" vs "A"), and a lot of the things about the school seemed somewhat experimental and I think were ineffective. <cite>fuming posted [p:950502135] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>I went to a magnet school as well, in a very low income, high crime part of town and something like 40% of the enrollment was alotted to specifically to the local children. There's a lot imperfect about any method of determining who gets into these schools, but I think just about anything is better than a purely "merit" based method, which as it has been said, would likely just lead to kids who come from well off backgrounds being the only ones able to get in. At the same time, I don't necessarily think attending a magnet school necessarily leads to a better education or outcome for everyone. My school was actually lower rated than my zoned high school ("B" vs "A"), and a lot of the things about the school seemed somewhat experimental and I think were ineffective. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/10/21 8:23:50 PM #214:	To no one's surprise, apparently Fox News cut out of the impeachment trial when the House managers started playing the security videos in the capital showing the various close encounters many Senators and Pence had, as well as the attacks on Capitol Police. had to focus on the real attack on america - the dallas mavericks daring to not play the anthem /s --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:950504534] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>To no one's surprise, apparently Fox News cut out of the impeachment trial when the House managers started playing the security videos in the capital showing the various close encounters many Senators and Pence had, as well as the attacks on Capitol Police. had to focus on the real attack on america - the dallas mavericks daring to not play the anthem /s </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 02/11/21 12:24:50 AM #215:	red sox 777 posted... There are definitely kids who would thrive in a calculus class who haven't finished algebra. This sounds like somebody who's never done Calculus. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:950511931] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>There are definitely kids who would thrive in a calculus class who haven't finished algebra.</quote>This sounds like somebody who's never done Calculus. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/11/21 12:29:27 AM #216:	trdl23 posted... This sounds like somebody who's never done Calculus. I actually did a major in math (and economics). --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:950512040] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>trdl23 posted... </cite> <quote>This sounds like somebody who's never done Calculus.</quote> I actually did a major in math (and economics). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 02/11/21 12:42:12 AM #217:	I have not seen the Mandalorian but I saw an article that says Gina Carano got fired for comparing being a Republican to being Jewish in Nazi Germany. Among other things. Wasn't she a main character? --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:950512332] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>I have not seen the Mandalorian but I saw an article that says Gina Carano got fired for comparing being a Republican to being Jewish in Nazi Germany. Among other things. Wasn't she a main character? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 02/11/21 12:42:40 AM #218:	red sox 777 posted... I actually did a major in math (and economics). Then you would damn well know the hardest part of Calc 1 is the algebra. The actual calculus is pretty easy, but it doesn't mean crap if you don't have solid algebra behind it. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:950512340] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>I actually did a major in math (and economics).</quote>Then you would damn well know the hardest part of Calc 1 is the algebra. The actual calculus is pretty easy, but it doesn't mean crap if you don't have solid algebra behind it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/11/21 12:43:36 AM #219:	FFDragon posted... I have not seen the Mandalorian but I saw an article that says Gina Carano got fired for comparing being a Republican to being Jewish in Nazi Germany. Among other things. Wasn't she a main character? Nah --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:950512357] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>FFDragon posted... </cite> <quote>I have not seen the Mandalorian but I saw an article that says Gina Carano got fired for comparing being a Republican to being Jewish in Nazi Germany. Among other things. Wasn't she a main character?</quote> Nah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/11/21 12:48:15 AM #220:	trdl23 posted... Then you would damn well know the hardest part of Calc 1 is the algebra. The actual calculus is pretty easy, but it doesn't mean crap if you don't have solid algebra behind it. My view on this is that there are going to be kids who could do the math without a problem but are saddled with earlier math classes that teach it in a very boring way. As a result, they are bored, perceive math as boring, and don't learn. When they don't learn, they are shunted off to lower level classes that are even more boring, and they learn even less. Give them a harder, more interesting, class, and they can learn. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:950512465] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>trdl23 posted... </cite> <quote>Then you would damn well know the hardest part of Calc 1 is the algebra. The actual calculus is pretty easy, but it doesn't mean crap if you don't have solid algebra behind it.</quote> My view on this is that there are going to be kids who could do the math without a problem but are saddled with earlier math classes that teach it in a very boring way. As a result, they are bored, perceive math as boring, and don't learn. When they don't learn, they are shunted off to lower level classes that are even more boring, and they learn even less. Give them a harder, more interesting, class, and they can learn. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/21 12:52:56 AM #221:	Yeah she was Cara Dune. She was also anti-mask, anti-vaccine, and kinda homophobic. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:950512551] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Yeah she was Cara Dune. She was also anti-mask, anti-vaccine, and kinda homophobic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 02/11/21 1:00:05 AM #222:	Mando is probably timeskipping anyway and her character arc was open but also had no lingering questions in need of answers. So she can just be forgotten. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:950512736] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Mando is probably timeskipping anyway and her character arc was open but also had no lingering questions in need of answers. So she can just be forgotten. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/21 1:01:03 AM #223:	red13n posted... Mando is probably timeskipping anyway and her character arc was open but also had no lingering questions in need of answers. So she can just be forgotten. She was supposed to get her own show, though. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:950512762] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>Mando is probably timeskipping anyway and her character arc was open but also had no lingering questions in need of answers. So she can just be forgotten.</quote> She was supposed to get her own show, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/11/21 1:50:20 AM #224:	https://twitter.com/vadimnewquist/status/1359728848166862848?s=21 --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:950513672] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/vadimnewquist/status/1359728848166862848?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 02/11/21 2:21:43 AM #225:	TheRock1525 posted... She was supposed to get her own show, though. now someone else can get a show. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:950514116] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote> She was supposed to get her own show, though.</quote> now someone else can get a show. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StartTheMachine 02/11/21 2:45:11 AM #226:	https://youtu.be/8mJ63AyCH4k uhhh I guess old Dave Rubin stand up clips have been surfacing and it's...even cringier than you would've imagined really hard to get through --- - Blur - Welcome to your Divinity. <cite>StartTheMachine posted [p:950514500] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/8mJ63AyCH4k uhhh I guess old Dave Rubin stand up clips have been surfacing and it's...even cringier than you would've imagined really hard to get through </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nanis23 02/11/21 3:10:23 AM #227:	My stance on this (I know everyone asked for this!) -She is right that republicans are being "hunted" -But comparing it to the holocaust is fucking dumb, what was she thinking? -Not only is this offensive for me as a jew, but it's dumb in general. -Despite that, I stand by what I always say - you are allowed to say your personal views on your personal page and shouldn't get fired for it (as long as it's not a hate speech or call to violence) Disney should have just say that they are not represnted by her and her opinions are her own --- wololo <cite>Nanis23 posted [p:950514891] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>My stance on this (I know everyone asked for this!) -She is right that republicans are being "hunted" -But comparing it to the holocaust is fucking dumb, what was she thinking? -Not only is this offensive for me as a jew, but it's dumb in general. -Despite that, I stand by what I always say - you are allowed to say your personal views on your personal page and shouldn't get fired for it (as long as it's not a hate speech or call to violence) Disney should have just say that they are not represnted by her and her opinions are her own </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 02/11/21 3:12:56 AM #228:	Nanis23 posted... -She is right that republicans are being "hunted" Is it hunting when they're literally just throwing themselves out in public view though Like people didn't dig up old Gina Carano tweets They're tweets and shit she's willingly making now. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:950514928] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Nanis23 posted... </cite> <quote>-She is right that republicans are being "hunted"</quote> Is it hunting when they're literally just throwing themselves out in public view though Like people didn't dig up old Gina Carano tweets They're tweets and shit she's willingly making now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 02/11/21 3:18:05 AM #229:	Carano's been playing a game of Rosanne Barr with her Mando spot for a while now, probably even lasted longer with it than Roseanne did... from a much less significant role. --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:950514996] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Carano's been playing a game of Rosanne Barr with her Mando spot for a while now, probably even lasted longer with it than Roseanne did... from a much less significant role. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 02/11/21 5:42:40 AM #230:	This probably does qualify as hate speech on a low level. I think its impossible to say that what is in many ways still the ruling class (in terms of wealth, age, disproportionate political influence) in a country is being persecuted like jewish people in Nazi Germany without being at least a little bit anti-semitic, as you need to be diminishing that level of persecution for that to make any sense. Im actually not a huge fan of firing people for what they say as a principle because it can be used in bad ways (see: James Gunn), but this is fine. For hate speech its fine. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:950516762] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>This probably does qualify as hate speech on a low level. I think its impossible to say that what is in many ways still the ruling class (in terms of wealth, age, disproportionate political influence) in a country is being persecuted like jewish people in Nazi Germany without being at least a little bit anti-semitic, as you need to be diminishing that level of persecution for that to make any sense. Im actually not a huge fan of firing people for what they say as a principle because it can be used in bad ways (see: James Gunn), but this is fine. For hate speech its fine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 02/11/21 6:44:33 AM #231:	I mean, did Gina Carano expect anything less? Megan Fox was fired from Transformers for comparing Michael Bay to Hitler and she at least had the excuse of being 23! Plus she did in more of a "good-natured" way if that makes sense, saying Bay was like a dictator on set and also likening him to Napoleon. In that case the Hitler comparison comes off as merely careless, whereas in Carano's case it's a flat-out political attack. I don't like the idea of actors being fired for their political beliefs but uh, if they like courting controversy then they shouldn't be surprised when it blows up in their faces. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:950517461] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>I mean, did Gina Carano expect anything less? Megan Fox was fired from Transformers for comparing Michael Bay to Hitler and she at least had the excuse of being 23! Plus she did in more of a "good-natured" way if that makes sense, saying Bay was like a dictator on set and also likening him to Napoleon. In that case the Hitler comparison comes off as merely careless, whereas in Carano's case it's a flat-out political attack. I don't like the idea of actors being fired for their political beliefs but uh, if they like courting controversy then they shouldn't be surprised when it blows up in their faces. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 02/11/21 7:06:38 AM #232:	Nanis23 posted... -Despite that, I stand by what I always say - you are allowed to say your personal views on your personal page and shouldn't get fired for it (as long as it's not a hate speech or call to violence) Disney should have just say that they are not represnted by her and her opinions are her own Disney did say this. Their opinions are its in their financial interest for her to no longer be in their employment. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:950517753] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Nanis23 posted... </cite> <quote>-Despite that, I stand by what I always say - you are allowed to say your personal views on your personal page and shouldn't get fired for it (as long as it's not a hate speech or call to violence) Disney should have just say that they are not represnted by her and her opinions are her own</quote> Disney did say this. Their opinions are its in their financial interest for her to no longer be in their employment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/11/21 7:30:30 AM #233:	This is absolutely insane https://twitter.com/scottlincicome/status/1359672339491934208 --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:950518129] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>This is absolutely insane https://twitter.com/scottlincicome/status/1359672339491934208 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 02/11/21 7:48:37 AM #234:	When people say that capitalism is anti human, that's kind of the exact scenario they have in mind. Someone being punished for doing the right thing because it means a company is going to make $100 less than they would have otherwise. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:950518408] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>When people say that capitalism is anti human, that's kind of the exact scenario they have in mind. Someone being punished for doing the right thing because it means a company is going to make $100 less than they would have otherwise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/11/21 8:12:02 AM #235:	I dont think it had anything to do with money; my reading is that it was a hospital and overzealous DA punishing him for an unfair prioritization of the vaccine (even though the alternative was literally throwing the doses out which helps no one) --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:950518826] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>I dont think it had anything to do with money; my reading is that it was a hospital and overzealous DA punishing him for an unfair prioritization of the vaccine (even though the alternative was literally throwing the doses out which helps no one) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 02/11/21 8:21:15 AM #236:	correct, by the article: the judge threw the case out, medical society is on his side, and the only people attacking him are the DA - who made the charges out of thin air - and the hospital management, who basically just fucked up and are masking their failure. nothing to do with capitalism at all. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:950518983] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>correct, by the article: the judge threw the case out, medical society is on his side, and the only people attacking him are the DA - who made the charges out of thin air - and the hospital management, who basically just fucked up and are masking their failure. nothing to do with capitalism at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/11/21 9:13:01 AM #237:	Cold opportunist doesnt really fit as a descriptor if they were going after him for unfair prioritization to me! --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:950520052] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote> Cold opportunist doesnt really fit as a descriptor if they were going after him for unfair prioritization to me! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 02/11/21 9:20:22 AM #238:	Yeah I'm sorry, if you have a public facing role and you behave in a way detrimental to that role in public, you can be fired So many people think Facebook/ Twitter isn't the real world There's a reason i prefer anonymous social media --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:950520250] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I'm sorry, if you have a public facing role and you behave in a way detrimental to that role in public, you can be fired So many people think Facebook/ Twitter isn't the real world There's a reason i prefer anonymous social media </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 02/11/21 9:34:57 AM #239:	What people seem to be missing is that this wasn't Gina's first flirtation with being fired. She had been making careless tweets for a *while* now and Disney (and some of her cast members) went to bat for her for FAR longer than I would have expected them to. If anything her more recent tweets show a blatant disregard for the situation she was in (on thin freaking ice) and it's a slap in the face to the people who publicly stood by her. It's really hard to feel bad for her in light of the full situation. This situation is like the complete opposite of the James Gunn / Guardians of the Galaxy situation. In his case the comments that had him in trouble were from many years prior and he immediately owned up to the mistake that it was. And when numerous cast members from GotG supposed him he didn't dump on their support by immediately saying worse things. --- ~C~ FD https://imgur.com/dGDfxaw <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:950520637] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>What people seem to be missing is that this wasn't Gina's first flirtation with being fired. She had been making careless tweets for a while now and Disney (and some of her cast members) went to bat for her for FAR longer than I would have expected them to. If anything her more recent tweets show a blatant disregard for the situation she was in (on thin freaking ice) and it's a slap in the face to the people who publicly stood by her. It's really hard to feel bad for her in light of the full situation. This situation is like the complete opposite of the James Gunn / Guardians of the Galaxy situation. In his case the comments that had him in trouble were from many years prior and he immediately owned up to the mistake that it was. And when numerous cast members from GotG supposed him he didn't dump on their support by immediately saying worse things. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 02/11/21 9:47:57 AM #240:	People are now acting like it's hypocritical for Lucasfilm to fire a "strong" woman...yeah sure, if by strong they mean rash, reckless, and hot-headed. Honestly, what did she think was going to happen? Then Jeremy of Geeks and Gamers, who looks like a redneck BTW, said it was hypocritical for Pedro Pascal to be cast as Joel in HBO's The Last of Us series when he once tweeted a comparison between Trump and Nazism even though that's a completely different situation. Also just to ask something else, but did four swing states blatantly disregard election laws? --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:950520965] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>People are now acting like it's hypocritical for Lucasfilm to fire a "strong" woman...yeah sure, if by strong they mean rash, reckless, and hot-headed. Honestly, what did she think was going to happen? Then Jeremy of Geeks and Gamers, who looks like a redneck BTW, said it was hypocritical for Pedro Pascal to be cast as Joel in HBO's The Last of Us series when he once tweeted a comparison between Trump and Nazism even though that's a completely different situation. Also just to ask something else, but did four swing states blatantly disregard election laws? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 02/11/21 10:51:37 AM #241:	Tucker is at it again https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1359676426736332800?s=21 --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:950522637] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Tucker is at it again https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1359676426736332800?s=21</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 02/11/21 11:16:56 AM #242:	Jakyl25 posted... Tucker is at it again https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1359676426736332800?s=21 My god, I didn't realize that BLM protests have "OVERTURNED THE OLD ORDER"! I mean, look at how much society has changed: systemic racism has gone away, economic inequality is a thing of the past, politics has become much more civil... --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:950523372] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Tucker is at it again https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1359676426736332800?s=21</quote> My god, I didn't realize that BLM protests have "OVERTURNED THE OLD ORDER"! I mean, look at how much society has changed: systemic racism has gone away, economic inequality is a thing of the past, politics has become much more civil... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 02/11/21 12:00:48 PM #243:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... https://twitter.com/vadimnewquist/status/1359728848166862848?s=21 God, Youtube commentary channels are the drizzling shits. Gina Carano be dumb though for giving up all that Disney money. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:950524799] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/vadimnewquist/status/1359728848166862848?s=21</quote>God, Youtube commentary channels are the drizzling shits. Gina Carano be dumb though for giving up all that Disney money. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nanis23 02/11/21 12:05:27 PM #244:	banananor posted... Yeah I'm sorry, if you have a public facing role and you behave in a way detrimental to that role in public, you can be fired Which is only because there is an insane intolerance to """assholes""" When people realize that everyone can have an opinion and be entitled to it, we will be able to live freely again By "we" I mean assholes like myself --- wololo <cite>Nanis23 posted [p:950524959] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah I'm sorry, if you have a public facing role and you behave in a way detrimental to that role in public, you can be fired</quote> Which is only because there is an insane intolerance to """assholes""" When people realize that everyone can have an opinion and be entitled to it, we will be able to live freely again By "we" I mean assholes like myself </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/11/21 12:14:52 PM #245:	Nanis23 posted... Which is only because there is an insane intolerance to """assholes""" When people realize that everyone can have an opinion and be entitled to it, we will be able to live freely again By "we" I mean assholes like myself --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:950525305] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Nanis23 posted... </cite> <quote>Which is only because there is an insane intolerance to """assholes""" When people realize that everyone can have an opinion and be entitled to it, we will be able to live freely again By "we" I mean assholes like myself</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 02/11/21 12:36:13 PM #246:	"I could stop being an asshole. Or I could be a bigger asshole and bitch about people not wanting to accept assholes." is the most Nanis argument I've ever seen. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:950526067] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>"I could stop being an asshole. Or I could be a bigger asshole and bitch about people not wanting to accept assholes." is the most Nanis argument I've ever seen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 02/11/21 12:43:11 PM #247:	Its especially funny because this is one of the clearest cut cases I have seen. I would hope that vocal support for a fascist-led coup attempt wouldnt help ones public image! --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:950526344] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Its especially funny because this is one of the clearest cut cases I have seen. I would hope that vocal support for a fascist-led coup attempt wouldnt help ones public image! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ashethan 02/11/21 2:04:39 PM #248:	You're entitled to be an asshole all you want. And people are entitled to call you out on being an asshole. And companies are entitled to fire you for being an asshole. --- Board 8 Mafia Archive: ashchive.altervista.org <cite>Ashethan posted [p:950529359] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>You're entitled to be an asshole all you want. And people are entitled to call you out on being an asshole. And companies are entitled to fire you for being an asshole. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 02/11/21 2:25:56 PM #249:	I mean, even if Gina Carano wants to "fight the SJW horde" or whatever nonsense she wanted to do, I'm pretty sure there's better and less offensive ways she could have done it than the stuff she was doing, and especially what she posted yesterday. Like damn, you could have kept your job probably if you just kept making snide comments about people on Twitter. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:950530123] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>I mean, even if Gina Carano wants to "fight the SJW horde" or whatever nonsense she wanted to do, I'm pretty sure there's better and less offensive ways she could have done it than the stuff she was doing, and especially what she posted yesterday. Like damn, you could have kept your job probably if you just kept making snide comments about people on Twitter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/11/21 2:40:52 PM #250:	https://twitter.com/drjasonjohnson/status/1359701976049541120?s=21 What does this MEAN --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:950530675] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/drjasonjohnson/status/1359701976049541120?s=21 What does this MEAN </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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