Poll of the Day > Only 47% of AMERICANS will get the VACCINE as Conservatives are SCARING THEM!!!

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A Shocking new poll shows more than HALF of Americans say they want to either DELAY or REFUSE to get the COVID-19 vaccine as they are awaiting more information!!

Only 41% of those surveyed said they are eager to get it as it comes when scientists are warning that new variants of the virus means that nations will need to vaccinate 85% of their population to achieve herd immunity!!

President Biden has set the target of giving 100 million Americans their first dose by April but many are waiting and seeing further results as only 7% said they would only get it if they were forced to while 13% said they will definitely not receive it

Only a small increase in confidence from December when 63% said they would delay or refuse the approved doses as it rosen from 34 to 41 but the majority of people are Republicans as well as Black and Hispanic people and lower income and rural households who are skeptical

2/3 of Democrats said they either already been vaccinated or want the shots as soon as possible but drops to 32% among Republicans with 33% saying they are waiting and seeing and 25% refuse

This shows a tough road for Joe Biden who has to get bipartisan appeal to Republicans especially on the national vaccination campaign as 43% of Black people and 37% of Hispanics are holding off until they know more

The conservative anti-vaxx/mask movement has been gaining momentum and is scaring off the public with sensationalized news articles of people suffering allergic reactions or DEATHS from europe after getting vaccinated.

Governments are fighting against skeptics who are telling the public that the new vaccine, which is new technology, may cause serious long term side effects as it seems to be effective among some groups with misinformation.

Skepticism in the United States is among the highest in all countries as only 47% say they will get the vaccine compared to 73% in the UK, 69% in India, 68 in Mexico, 70 in Denmark and 64 in Australia

Are you one of those waiting?

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Honestly, the only thing that's keeping me from it is that video from medical facility in El Paso where that guy "got the vaccine" and the syringe was empty before they even stuck him.

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I got vaccinated already as I work in a facility that takes care of people vulnerable to the virus.

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hypnox posted...

Honestly, the only thing that's keeping me from it is that video from medical facility in El Paso where that guy "got the vaccine" and the syringe was empty before they even stuck him.

There's a few situations like this one. Idk why they would purpsefully try and lie to us about it.

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Its most likely going to take awhile before I can get it, but I will. Mom is getting her second dose this Friday.

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Conservatives are evil incarnate

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papercup posted...

Conservatives are evil incarnate

Did the TV tell you that?

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It was a rushed vaccine. Id rather wait until they work out the bugs.

I am waiting, not because I am scared but because I am probably in the least risky group. The only time I go out in public is once a week for groceries, the people I associate with are also in the same situation as me (working from home) and I won't be going back into an office until at least June. I would rather wait out the rush and get the vaccine in like May when less people are trying to get their hands on it. No need for me to get it now.

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All of those conservatives on tv that are scaring their base have already gotten the vaccine

Only Ducky could look at numbers showing an increase in vaccine support and present it like that number is fucking going down. And it has nothing to do with some phantom scare from conservative bogeymen, it's largely because people want to see whether shit works before they go with it.

And given the slow rollout from Biden's Operation Slugspeed, it's not like Americans have much chance to get the shit. Anybody who expected Biden to take the helm on COVID were sold a bill of goods. For all of his tough talk, in terms of actual performance he's probably done less than Trump. And, just like Trump, all he's done was get help get vaccines to states (usually a pipeline Trump helped set up) so you have 50 states each handling it their own way in direct contradiction to the hands-on, central leadership Biden had promised. Granted, maybe that's for the best because Biden doesn't seem to know his from his ass from a hole in the ground, and the biggest priorities of his administration so far have been virtue-signals.

All that aside, the fucking slow rollout worldwide has all but ensured that the vaccine might be too little, too late in stemming the threat. We're already seeing mutation after mutation because we couldn't get a handle on this at a global level. The next few years will likely require a long string of new vaccines and other measures as the virus mutates.

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And given the slow rollout from Biden's Operation Slugspeed, it's not like Americans have much chance to get the shit. Anybody who expected Biden to take the helm on COVID were sold a bill of goods. For all of his tough talk, in terms of actual performance he's probably done less than Trump.

lmao bro get the actual fuck outta here

you really have gotten worse as the years went by

People who do their research know that the average vaccine typically undergoes a much longer trial period before it's approved for the market, and even then it still can have adverse effects.

This is an mRNA vaccine. Something very new. The fact it's being rammed through and pushed upon millions of people is very unnerving to anyone who has done their research. This is pretty much a giant experiment being done on the world's population.

It would be incredibly tragic if all of our elderly and front-line workers experienced adverse effects and our world would be in even more dire cicrumstances.

My personal opinion is that rushing an experimental vaccine out to the masses is unbelievably irresponsible.

Oh, and not to mention that it was the Democrats and liberals doing most of the scaring in the first place. You had ranking Dems go on record -- including Biden during a debate -- that he wouldn't take a vaccine that Trump was involved in, which he then weaseled into saying "well, maybe if that's what experts suggested" when you obviously wouldn't have a vaccine in the first place if it didn't already meet that criteria.

MICHALECOLE posted...

lmao bro get the actual fuck outta here

you really have gotten worse as the years went by

Says the guy who gave a free pass to 4 years of hyperbolic claims about Trump. At least what I'm discussing is based in reality (or, at least, discussing the difference between Biden's "tough talk" on the campaign trail and reality of what he's given us). Why don't you go back to running away from Jerry Lawler at Wrestlemania?

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I know the vaccine is legit because rich people and politicians are pushing themselves to the head of the line rather than waiting to see what happens with the regular folks.

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I'm inclined to wait because I know the trial process was accelerated, but I also know that it was rigorous enough to meet all the usual standards, plus I really can't think of any reason to expect longer-term side effects than would have been seen in the trial period, so I can't say I'm that worried. Conveniently, where I'm low-enough priority that I won't even be eligible to get it for another several months at the very least, enough doses will have been administered by then to satisfy any skepticism I'm harbouring. I'll be getting it shortly after I become able to.

Zeus posted...

Anybody who expected Biden to take the helm on COVID were sold a bill of goods. For all of his tough talk, in terms of actual performance he's probably done less than Trump.

... He's been in office for less than three weeks. I know Trump set the bar pretty low, and it seemed like Trump wasn't president for most of January because he basically spent the entire month holed up in his room while he masturbated furiously to the dictionary.com page for "fraud," but are you really giving him a hard time for achieving less in half a month than Trump did in ten?

Of course, that's ignoring that he has already started off light years ahead of Trump because the country now has a president that isn't deliberately downplaying the virus by insisting that it doesn't exist, trying to falsify numbers, or staging public appearances while infected to diminish the seriousness of his condition. Whatever Biden has or hasn't done to help the response along, he hasn't actively harmed it, which is more than can be said for Trump. I'd gladly take a president whose entire response was "no comment" over one that actively sabotaged public health agencies' ability to accomplish anything by creating a culture of distrust and defiance, and Biden's already surpassed even that bare minimum of a standard.

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TaKun782 posted...

It was a rushed vaccine. Id rather wait until they work out the bugs.

You sound like a Trumpster. Git on, git out of hur.

Zeus posted... Oh, and not to mention that it was the Democrats and liberals doing most of the scaring in the first place. You had ranking Dems go on record -- including Biden during a debate -- that he wouldn't take a vaccine that Trump was involved in, which he then weaseled into saying "well, maybe if that's what experts suggested" when you obviously wouldn't have a vaccine in the first place if it didn't already meet that criteria.

Says the guy who gave a free pass to 4 years of hyperbolic claims about Trump. At least what I'm discussing is based in reality (or, at least, discussing the difference between Biden's "tough talk" on the campaign trail and reality of what he's given us). Why don't you go back to running away from Jerry Lawler at Wrestlemania?

Except Trump is every bit as evil as they say? Where is your proof that he isn't?

DDirtyDastard posted...

People who do their research know that the average vaccine typically undergoes a much longer trial period before it's approved for the market, and even then it still can have adverse effects.

This is an mRNA vaccine. Something very new. The fact it's being rammed through and pushed upon millions of people is very unnerving to anyone who has done their research. This is pretty much a giant experiment being done on the world's population.

It would be incredibly tragic if all of our elderly and front-line workers experienced adverse effects and our world would be in even more dire cicrumstances.

My personal opinion is that rushing an experimental vaccine out to the masses is unbelievably irresponsible.

The vaccines were tested and evaluated for safety and efficacy.

Dropping "do your research" isn't making you look smart, if that's what you think it's doing.

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Yeah Im not anti-vax but my decision to wait is not by "influence of conservative boogeymen."

I just want to see more results and make sure it doesnt have any adverse side effects.


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deoxxys posted...

Yeah Im not anti-vax but my decision to wait is not by "influence of conservative boogeymen."

I just want to see more results and make sure it doesnt have any adverse side effects.

Can you clarify how you'll evaluate this: Are you going to crunch the data yourself to determine if it is or is not worth it? Or are you going to listen to experts make that distinction?

If it's the former, color me impressed that you're as or more qualified than the scientific review panels. If it's the latter, why don't you acknowledge that's already been done?

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I'm mostly waiting a while because I'm far down the list of relevancy.

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Clench281 posted...

Can you clarify how you'll evaluate this: Are you going to crunch the data yourself to determine if it is or is not worth it? Or are you going to listen to experts make that distinction?

If it's the former, color me impressed that you're as or more qualified than the scientific review panels. If it's the latter, why don't you acknowledge that's already been done?

Coming on a little snarky there, easy now, I just want to make an informed decision.
The vaccine is inevitable, just let me decide when, okay?

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Clench281 posted...

The vaccines were tested and evaluated for safety and efficacy.

Dropping "do your research" isn't making you look smart, if that's what you think it's doing.

You have a real hard time understanding some folk won't be as quick to pump things into their body regardless of what they have been told. Being cautious isn't a bad thing and hopefully you'll never know why.

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Arcturusisnow posted...

You sound like a Trumpster. Git on, git out of hur.

Except Trump is every bit as evil as they say? Where is your proof that he isn't?

Nah. I actually think fuck all about politics that if I had a good majority of TP, I can wipe my ass with. Its no secret when it comes to this vaccine about how it was rushed out.
Not too fond of the side affects people are complaining about either which in turn is the reason why im waiting until the bugs are sorted out.

AWinterJ posted...

You have a real hard time understanding some folk won't be as quick to pump things into their body regardless of what they have been told. Being cautious isn't a bad thing and hopefully you'll never know why.

Also this I agree on that sums it up perfectly.

while I think your numbers are inaccurate I do think many people are in fact saying delay because they know that it wont be available to them for a while.

but I would be curious to see the cross section of who they polled and if they went into facitoleis where people might have had first crack at the vaccine already.

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deoxxys posted...

I just want to make an informed decision.

And he's asking how you plan on becoming so informed. If you aren't compiling data yourself to study, then you're either going to be relying entirely on what scientists tell you (which will be based on research that's already been conducted and that they are currently reporting, meaning waiting won't offer you any more information), or you'll be relying on anecdotal evidence from laypeople and sensationalist media (in which case you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking you're informed). If you are compiling the data yourself, then you should already have a concrete plan for when your collection period will be complete and what sort of analyses you'll be performing, which you should therefore be able to share right now (though even then, you're declaring your personal research and opinions to be more credible than those of the FDA and other such organizations worldwide, which is a comparison you'll need to defend in order to actually claim that you are more informed than you otherwise would be).

Making informed decisions regarding medical treatments is great. Indefinitely procrastinating those treatments until you arbitrarily decide that you haven't heard enough bad things about it to skip it, however, is not making an informed decision, and that's really all you're going to be able to do with this vaccine (since it's new and high-profile enough that the entire body of relevant literature has already been shared via mainstream media). Given how important this vaccine is, if you're going to put it off, you should at least have a concrete reason for doing so.

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papercup posted...

Conservatives are evil incarnate

One of my supervisors is as conservative as they come and he got it and urges all staff to get it especially since our job is offering it for free. It was actually him who convinced me. Not through his words but the fact hes over the hill and doesnt look or seem like the healthiest person yet only thing the vaccine did for him was he called out a couple of days.

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i work for the post office and i aint get vaccinated yet. some bs man

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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

Did the TV tell you that?

What? Does your TV talk to you?

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<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(3, 79272775, 950427029, '0c81b4c7');" href="/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79272775/950427029">adjl posted... </a>

... He's been in office for less than three weeks.

...and he promised to do shit day one. Not to mention that transitions are a thing and he was literally signing day one executive orders. He's likely made more progress towards changing the US currency than doing anything to fix COVID.

<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(3, 79272775, 950427029, '0c81b4c7');" href="/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79272775/950427029">adjl posted... </a>

Of course, that's ignoring that he has already started off light years ahead of Trump because the country now has a president that isn't deliberately downplaying the virus by insisting that it doesn't exist, trying to falsify numbers, or staging public appearances while infected to diminish the seriousness of his condition.

ITP: "Virtue-signalling is more important than actually doing anything!" Never mind that Biden made commits he immediately failed to honor and has made little or no effort to make good on his COVID promises. Never mind that Biden himself engaged in anti-vax fearmongering by claiming that new vaccines wouldn't be safe just because Trump was involved in the process (including at the debates where the moderators questioned his ridiculous stance). And never mind that your claims are bullshit.

<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(3, 79272775, 950432335, '0c81b4c7');" href="/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79272775/950432335">Arcturusisnow posted... </a>

Except Trump is every bit as evil as they say? Where is your proof that he isn't?

>Makes unsubstantiated claim
>Asks that unsubstantiated claim be disproven

Go troll somebody else.


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I won't get it unless I'm forced to. Not because of conservatives but because epidemiological studies are supposed to last at least two years. This got what? Maybe 2 months lol... and it's a brand new type of vaccine. And the only reason it's been pushed out so fast is because the trump administration bribed the pharmaceutical companies to rush it out as fast as possible.

And now we're not even sure if it's effective against "new" strains

Clench281 posted...

The vaccines were tested and evaluated for safety and efficacy.

Dropping "do your research" isn't making you look smart, if that's what you think it's doing.

it's all he knows, he isn't aware you know what you're talking about, ok?

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DANTE20XX posted...

There's a few situations like this one. Idk why they would purpsefully try and lie to us about it.

I really think that situation was simply the nurse fucked up but they didn't wanna admit that on TV because it's just a bad look for everyone there.

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MICHALECOLE posted...

lmao bro get the actual fuck outta here

you really have gotten worse as the years went by

zeus went all in, for a while he was posting far right videos along with icoyar, ok?

apparently the department of defense didn't do background checks when he worked for them, ok?

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adjl posted...

And he's asking how you plan on becoming so informed.

"I simply see most of the people around me have it and arent dying or breaking out in hives/etc?"

The Vaccine isnt even readily available where I live, so even if I wanted it I couldnt get it.

Theres four groups of people ahead of me before I even qualify:

• Healthcare workers
• Elderly
• Front-line essential workers
• Adults @ high risk of exposure & risk of severe illness

>Then theres everyone else.

So I would appreciate if people would stop jumping down my throat now, thanks.

@adjl

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ClarkDuke posted...

zeus went all in, for a while he was posting far right videos along with icoyar, ok?

apparently the department of defense didn't do background checks when he worked for them, ok?

I can only imagine the rabbit holes they have been through.

with Zeus though it feels like hes trying to convince himself at this point

Remember folks, Zeus is a moderate!

Even though he might be the biggest Trump supporter on this entire website he is a moderate. He just thinks Trump did a great job, and was completely screwed over by the press.

Amazing!

Zeus posted...

...and he promised to do s*** day one.

Okay? Welcome to government: Nothing gets done in a day.

Zeus posted...

Not to mention that transitions are a thing and he was literally signing day one executive orders.

Biden didn't really get a proper transition period because Trump was too busy sulking and inciting armed rebellions, and if he had busted out executive orders to get things done quickly, you'd be criticizing him for abusing them.

Zeus posted...

He's likely made more progress towards changing the US currency than doing anything to fix COVID.

Given how much easier it is to change the design of currency than fix a pandemic, this is understandable. You've likely made more progress toward your breakfast today than toward your retirement. That doesn't mean you're not progressing toward your retirement, it just means breakfast is a smaller, shorter-term goal that's easy to achieve alongside working on other stuff.

Zeus posted...

ITP: "Virtue-signalling is more important than actually doing anything!"

No. That's not remotely what I said. If you genuinely can't tell the difference between virtue signalling and "not actively making things worse," I really don't know what more I can say to help you.

OhhhJa posted...

Not because of conservatives but because epidemiological studies are supposed to last at least two years. This got what? Maybe 2 months lol.

They *typically* last two years. There's no real "supposed to" when it comes to how long trials take. The standards that are in place just define things like the number of participants needed and other aspects of experimental design, and companies generally budget about two years to achieve those standards because it often takes that long, but that doesn't mean they have to take that long. The Covid vaccines that have reached the market now have met those standards. If they hadn't, they wouldn't have been approved by the FDA (or similar organizations worldwide). If you're skeptical, you can do your research and find the actual trial data that shows that those standards have been met.

OhhhJa posted...

And the only reason it's been pushed out so fast is because the trump administration bribed the pharmaceutical companies to rush it out as fast as possible.

As much as Trump stood to benefit from a speedy vaccine, he's very far from being the only person in such a situation. The whole world wants a vaccine as quickly as possible. Literally millions of lives depend on it.

deoxxys posted...

"I simply see most of the people around me have it and arent dying or breaking out in hives/etc?"

Which would be the anecdotal evidence to which I referred. That's not "informed." That's a very narrow, biased snapshot of the bigger picture that really isn't comprehensive enough to base any sort of conclusion on, and it really doesn't work on a larger scale (if everyone waits for everyone else to get it first, nobody gets it). You already have access to the results of tens of thousands of doses that have been carefully monitored for months. That is meaningful information, which can be used to make informed decisions. "Data" you get by casually observing the people around you and arbitrarily deciding you've seen enough, less so.

deoxxys posted...
The Vaccine isnt even readily available where I live, so even if I wanted it I couldnt get it.

Which is about my situation as well. Any misgivings any of us might have about the trial period (though, as I've said, the appropriate protocols were followed despite the accelerated timeline, so those are likely misplaced) are going to be rendered mostly moot by the tens of millions of doses that will be given out before we're even eligible to get the shot. That said, I recommend putting in the work to inform yourself (or convince yourself that you're already informed) well enough to be comfortable getting the vaccine before you become eligible, for the sake of not putting it off indefinitely even after you could be getting it.

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