Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 363: SEC Speed

(+) Yeah! (+)

Anything that limits a Chaney is a good thing.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Liz Cheney keeps her position.

Seeing people wishing this wasn't a secret ballot, but I'm glad it was. We now have a definitive count of how many Republican house members actually believe their bullshit and how many are doing it for show.

https://twitter.com/MZanona/status/1357142468106604544?s=19

Sooo how many votes does a hypothetical secret ballot impeachment vote get

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Sooo how many votes does a hypothetical secret ballot impeachment vote get

idk like half the caucus maybe? Feel like that may still be too generous. Senate could probably convict with a secret ballot though. House is where the crazy is concentrated for the most part on the GOP side.

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Punished Schumer looking to make me ashamed of my words about him the past 6 years.

https://twitter.com/EwallWice/status/1357122195735142408

Holding a press conference later today (supposed to be around 20 minutes from now) with Warren, Pressley, Omar, and others to reintroduce a resolution to cancel $50,000 in federal student loan debt.

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These fucking deplorables would rather hold a restaurant up at gunpoint than wear a mask.

https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/1357209798287237120?s=19

There is no hope for these...human beings (happy Jakyl?)

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Going to laugh if my ex wife had to surrender equity in my house equal to half my student loan debt because they were legally half hers as I got the loans when I was married, and then they get forgiven.

Sad violin sounds

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That would be huge dor us if my wife's debt gets forgiven. She is at like 13k or so left.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

These fucking deplorables would rather hold a restaurant up at gunpoint than wear a mask.

https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/1357209798287237120?s=19

There is no hope for these...human beings (happy Jakyl?)

You can call them shitty human beings!
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Think it will include loans that have gone into collection?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/02/04/romney-child-benefit-stimulus/

Dang. I knew my wife and I shouldve had our third kid earlier.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/02/04/romney-child-benefit-stimulus/

Dang. I knew my wife and I shouldve had our third kid earlier.

Not too late actually. 9 months. November. Get it on your next tax return

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Corrik7 posted...

Not too late actually. 9 months. November. Get it on your next tax return

You joke, but my spouse and I have been talking dates....

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Someone please remind to dislike Romney.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Someone please remind to dislike Romney.

He's paying for this bill by eliminating other welfare programs and eliminating working-class tax credits. He's not interested in actually helping people, he just wants to eviscerate the social safety net. Don't forget that even a "respectable" Republican is still a Republican.

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romney killed toys r us so he could have a nicer beach vacation

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masterplum posted...

You joke, but my spouse and I have been talking dates....

Noice. Get the baby in before december 31st for tax reasons.


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Not_an_Owl posted...

He's paying for this bill by eliminating other welfare programs and eliminating working-class tax credits. He's not interested in actually helping people, he just wants to eviscerate the social safety net. Don't forget that even a "respectable" Republican is still a Republican.

Replacing social safety nets with direct payments is Pro-Science. We have the technology. We don't need brick and mortar social safety nets that can be abused (Looking at you Florida Welfare Drug Tests)

Always be pro-science

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masterplum posted...

Replacing social safety nets with direct payments is Pro-Science.

what the fuck are you talking about

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https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1357391055675621382?s=19

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Honestly, replacing the programs with direct, less conditional payments seems good on the surface, especially since it decouples them from taxes (and therefore guarantees the people who need money will still be getting it if e.g they lose their job). I'm sure I'm missing something here, but I don't know what it is.

The real question is whether the Republicans will have any ability to kneecap and sabotage it like they did with the ACA, or if they'll just gut it once they have the power to.

Also yes funding this by not cutting safety nets would be ideal.

Hey, maybe Plum is onto something for once. If we eliminate all the welfare and safety net spending in the federal budget, we could use that money to give every adult in America an $11,000 check every year. How could anyone be opposed to that? Everybody loves free money!

Just to be clear, this is actually a terrible idea.
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UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1357391055675621382?s=19

Trump could get another media circus going and have all the spotlight on himself. On the other hand, he's a degenerate liar and would be under oath.

Tough call but I don't think he shows.

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Xeybozn posted...

Hey, maybe Plum is onto something for once. If we eliminate all the welfare and safety net spending in the federal budget, we could use that money to give every adult in America an $11,000 check every year. How could anyone be opposed to that? Everybody loves free money!

Just to be clear, this is actually a terrible idea.

Universal Basic income is a fantastic idea and I completely support it.

But it should be monthly payments, not yearly, of course.

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I beleive they're voting now.

Last speaker pleaded for bipartisan support on ousting MTG's appointments, don't think it's gonna happen. Everyone voting along party lines so far.

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UBI is a wonderful idea and absolutely should be implemented, but until there's a concrete bill that has the votes to pass Congress we ought to be expanding the social safety net, not reducing it.

Also if the issue is "we can't just give more money to people with children without getting more money from somewhere", might I suggest taxing the wealthy or cutting military spending? I'd be perfectly on board with either of those!

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309 votes in and 0 party lines crossed.

What a disgrace.

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MTG is out of committee.

Kizinger is claiming he voted to remove MTG as well, but the results showed full party line. Error?

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Xeybozn posted...

Hey, maybe Plum is onto something for once. If we eliminate all the welfare and safety net spending in the federal budget, we could use that money to give every adult in America an $11,000 check every year. How could anyone be opposed to that? Everybody loves free money!

Just to be clear, this is actually a terrible idea.

Why? It is the literal argument for ubi.

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because UBI IS a terrible idea

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Yes, lets keep forcing people to work menial jobs in order to live, when we could just replace them with robots and pay them anyways. That certainly wouldnt make peoples lives better.

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Trump won't testify at his Impeachment Trial, to the shock of no one.
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I can't watch this live feed anymore.

These Republicans are such loathsome creatures.

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UBI is good, actually

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Anyone who doesn't support UBI should be forced to work a $9/hour retail job (which also doesn't offer a full 40 hours per week) until their opinion changes

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https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1357369734526889994?s=21

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UBI would cost an absurd amount of money, largely because a lot of that money would be going to people who dont need it. Targeted welfare is better.

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Removing the red tape on deciding who qualifies and who doesn't would be absurdly beneficial and would offset some of the costs.

And it would remove the incentive for people to prove they need welfare.

Right now there is a reward associated with NOT working, or at least pretending you aren't working and doing something under the table instead.

You give "dont freeze or starve" money to *everyone* and remove the other programs and the incentive goes away.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

UBI would cost an absurd amount of money, largely because a lot of that money would be going to people who dont need it. Targeted welfare is better.

What percentage of the population would you say "don't need it"? 1%? 5%? 25%?

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UBI would be great.
especially if it's coming at the expense of amazon, google, etc because lord knows they don't need more money. consider it a monopoly tax.


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The reason for UBI over targeted is UBI allows people who "Don't need it" to find fulfilling work outside of what they are currently doing without being chained to an often dead end job.

I'm sure there are people making $40000 a year who would much rather be making $20000 and surviving on basic income

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LordoftheMorons posted...

UBI would cost an absurd amount of money, largely because a lot of that money would be going to people who dont need it. Targeted welfare is better.

You're right let's give all that money to corporations instead.

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masterplum posted...

The reason for UBI over targeted is UBI allows people who "Don't need it" to find fulfilling work outside of what they are currently doing without being chained to an often dead end job.

I'm sure there are people making $40000 a year who would much rather be making $20000 and surviving on basic income

$20k a year for every adult would be a bit over $5 trillion a year, which was larger than the entire 2019 US budget.

(And to the extent that people are deciding to retire and live on UBI instead of working you're shrinking the economy, making it even harder to pay for).

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90% of that would be spent, so add 4.5 trillion to our economy and recalculate growth etc

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Give it to everyone, tax it at the end of the year for people above a certain income. Easy peasy

Time to use our budget for the good of America and not bs tbh

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LordoftheMorons posted...

$20k a year for every adult would be a bit over $5 trillion a year, which was larger than the entire 2019 US budget.

Yeah, UBI supporters here don't seem to get exactly how expensive it would be. It's not something you can pay for with just unnoticeable spending cuts and/or taxes on billionaires. You'd be looking at massive cuts to just about every government program (yes, even with the savings from eliminating every current form of welfare spending) and/or huge tax increases for everyone.
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0 Republican Yays for this Greene vote so far...man these guys are a joke

Tbf I think first we need universal health care. Once we got that hammered out we can work on ubi. Goals

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Not_an_Owl posted...

UBI is a wonderful idea and absolutely should be implemented, but until there's a concrete bill that has the votes to pass Congress we ought to be expanding the social safety net, not reducing it.

This is the bottom line here, in addition to that UBI should be supplemental to more specific safety net programs such as, I dunno, universal healthcare.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

(And to the extent that people are deciding to retire and live on UBI instead of working you're shrinking the economy, making it even harder to pay for).

How many people would get promotions if those people could retire?

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swordz9 posted...

0 Republican Yays for this Greene vote so far...man these guys are a joke

They literally held a vote earlier to adjourn and not vote at all.

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