Poll of the Day > Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims as president.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Geez I don't think most people have that many claims in their life let alone in 4 years. I guess it's easy to see why his presidency went up in smoke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-fact-checker-tracked-trump-claims/2021/01/23/ad04b69a-5c1d-11eb-a976-bad6431e03e2_story.html

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For anyone else, that would be shocking, but the only surprise for me is how low it is.

Raddest_Chad posted...

For anyone else, that would be shocking, but the only surprise for me is how low it is.

Probably because of how little his daily life is recorded.

When you compare to the millions of false or misleading claims the media made about him -- including calling his statements false or misleading -- it's a drop in the bucket. Not to mention *all* politicians routinely lie, so "OMG! A POLITICIAN WAS LESS THAN HONEST" is a meaningless statement.

Most importantly, this story comes from WaPo, which isn't so much a real publication as it is Jeff Bezos's personal super-PAC for promoting his friends and attacking his enemies.

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there's zeus trying to downplay trump having 16 times more false or misleading claims said than every other president combined


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For more than 10 years, The Fact Checker has assessed the accuracy of claims made by politicians in both parties, and that practice will continue.

Yeah, like they're credible.

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Joe_Biden posted...

there's zeus trying to downplay trump having 16 times more false or misleading claims said than every other president combined

There's Helly trying to spread lies and misinformation again

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you're projecting again, zeus

see what i did there

that's a callback


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Zeus posted...

When you compare to the millions of false or misleading claims the media made about him -- including calling his statements false or misleading -- it's a drop in the bucket. Not to mention *all* politicians routinely lie, so "OMG! A POLITICIAN WAS LESS THAN HONEST" is a meaningless statement.

Most importantly, this story comes from WaPo, which isn't so much a real publication as it is Jeff Bezos's personal super-PAC for promoting his friends and attacking his enemies.

We'll welcome you back to reality any time!

BlackScythe0 posted...

We'll welcome you back to reality any time!

No we won't.

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Zeus posted...

When you compare to the millions of false or misleading claims the media made about him -- including calling his statements false or misleading -- it's a drop in the bucket. Not to mention *all* politicians routinely lie, so "OMG! A POLITICIAN WAS LESS THAN HONEST" is a meaningless statement.

Most importantly, this story comes from WaPo, which isn't so much a real publication as it is Jeff Bezos's personal super-PAC for promoting his friends and attacking his enemies.

It took you over a month to admit that he lost the election

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To be fair, there's probably a lot of redundancy to the lies Trump told, as one of his tactics was to repeat the same lies over and over so his mush-brained followers would be properly indoctrinated.

Didn't read the article, does the study account for that habit of repetition?

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Trump: we did "X" in 2 days.
WaPo: it was 49 hours between when he said he was doing it and when it was done. FACT CHECK FALSE. OMG, Orange Man Lied!!!

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Did Hillary Clinton wipe her server?
False - Hillary Clinton didn't wipe her server, a program she used wiped her server.

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Say what you like about him, hje still managed to become president and will always be remembered as one.

I'm not defending trump at all when i say this but i bet a good portion of those come down to just how the guy talks. because his way of talking is so stupid, he constantly just says throwaway lies that I don't necessarily think have malicious intent. He just talks like an idiot so these things naturally come out.

However, despite that possible musing: Yikes. 30K+ lies!

Woman: "Many of my people were not lucky enough to be given refugee status."
Woman: *pauses*
Trump: *pauses to look like he's thinking*
Woman: "My family is dead."
Trump: "Where are they now."
Woman: "My family died."

Leftists: "lol, Trump so stupid. He asked where her dead family are staying."
People who can think for themselves: "Maybe Trump meant the other people she had mentioned."
Fact checkers: "Did Trump ask a grieving woman about the location of her murdered family? True."

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jkdarlow posted...

Say what you like about him, hje still managed to become president and will always be remembered as one.

Yes, that will always be a stain on this country.
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Woman: "Many of my people were not lucky enough to be given refugee status."
Woman: *pauses*
Trump: *pauses to look like he's thinking*
Woman: "My family is dead."
Trump: "Where are they now."
Woman: "My family died."

Leftists: "lol, Trump so stupid. He asked where her dead family are staying."
People who can think for themselves: "Maybe Trump meant the other people she had mentioned."
Fact checkers: "Did Trump ask a grieving women about the location of her murdered family? True."

more like

people who can think for themselves: "lmao trump just asked this woman where her dead family is, what a dumbass lol"

people who have to come up with any excuse to make it seem like trump isn't mentally challenged: "...surely trump meant the other people she mentioned even though it was very obvious he didn't, but surely he had to"

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If Trump doesn't want his words to be misconstrued he should know to speak more clearly, because in that example you gave, nothing at all shows us he means anything but the people just referenced(her family). People who can think for themselves are just people waiting for the playbook on how to take his nebulous, half formed statements and mould them into something they can work with.

Legit cannot tell if skar is trying to make Trump look good or not

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he is, he started simping for him pretty hardcore lately

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I can't even read the article unless it's literally just a paragraph long.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_9

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Revelation34 posted...

I can't even read the article unless it's literally just a paragraph long.

so is that why you're always wrong, especially in topics about articles

you don't read them

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Zeus posted...

When you compare to the millions of false or misleading claims the media made about him -- including calling his statements false or misleading -- it's a drop in the bucket. Not to mention *all* politicians routinely lie, so "OMG! A POLITICIAN WAS LESS THAN HONEST" is a meaningless statement.

Most importantly, this story comes from WaPo, which isn't so much a real publication as it is Jeff Bezos's personal super-PAC for promoting his friends and attacking his enemies.

'when you compare the actions of one person to multiple people or an organization, you will see that the one person did less of X action'

Not only is this a bad take, this comparison probably is not even true even despite you making it unfairly, lmao

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Person A: Hey, Person B you just stole 10 grand from that business!

Person B: Well, if you look at the millions of thieves out there in comparison they have taken billions of dollars worth of goods and money, therefore my theft is meaningless.

The Trump Defense Force really is just sad to watch. So predictably desperate.

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That's an average of about 21 (~20.93) false or misleading statements a day. That's an average ~0.87192 false or misleading statements an hour. That's an average of one false or misleading statement every 69 minutes.

Of course, that's not accounting for any time Trump presumably spent sleeping, golfing, or otherwise not making public statements.

And it's not really a great metric for comparing him to other presidents or politicians, because this particular bloviating buffoon made a crap ton of public statements. A better metric would be the rate of false or misleading public statements to total public statements.

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dainkinkaide posted...

That's an average of one false or misleading statement every 69 minutes.

Nice

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Has anyone determined how many "false or misleading claims" The Fact Checker has made?

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Has anyone determined how many "false or misleading claims" The Fact Checker has made?

I did and it was 0.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Has anyone determined how many "false or misleading claims" The Fact Checker has made?

probably none since it doesnt make any of its own claims

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Kanatteru posted...

probably none since it doesnt make any of its own claims

Is "Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims as president" not a claim of this so called fact checker?

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Damn son, they said that the first lady being a wonderful person was false. These people are fucking assholes.

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BarneyBosco posted...

Damn son, they said that the first lady being a wonderful person was false. These people are fucking assholes.

Which one was that?

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Has anyone determined how many "false or misleading claims" The Fact Checker has made?

Your deity is a liar dude.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Is "Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims as president" not a claim of this so called fact checker?

This is just embarrassing.

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adjl posted...

This is just embarrassing.

Pathetic I would say.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Is "Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims as president" not a claim of this so called fact checker?

here's the database of all of them: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/

your pedantry act really doesn't work when you're pedantic about things that can easily be verified

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Far-Queue posted...

When you pay attention to them they actually do reveal their own lies. I remember one local story about a woman arrested for a fight on a bus and the reporter talked about hate crime charges because the woman was yelling racial slurs. Then they showed a video of the attack. And it didn't match their usual agenda because the agressor was a black woman making racially motivated comments to a white woman. They buried the story rather quick after that.

This raises several questions.
Had the reporter not seen the video themself and was just reading a script?
Had the news editor not seen the video themself before approving their coverage of it?
Had they seen the video didn't care thinking that the audience won't notice?

Kanatteru posted...

here's the database of all of them: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/

your pedantry act really doesn't work when you're pedantic about things that can easily be verified

I'm seeing a lot of claims that amount to:
"Trump said the new X was the biggest in history when actually the Roman Empire had the biggest X in history."
So the fact checkers are just realy pedantic about what was obviously meant as exaggerated boasting.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

So the fact checkers are just realy pedantic about what was obviously meant as exaggerated boasting.

here's the thing

the president is in such a position of power than exaggerating about anything is not allowed because anything he says can have literal real world effects depending on who hears it.

such as an insurrection attempt.

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They [Biden] will collapse our economy and send your nation, this wonderful nation, into a depression.

They said this is false which is an opinion. An opinion by definition can't be false. There's no way for it to be fact checked except in 4 years.

Now obviously it won't happen but they weren't just listing factual statements as false.
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no, it is false.

because trumps inaction had already started the economy collapse.

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Revelation34 posted...

They [Biden] will collapse our economy and send your nation, this wonderful nation, into a depression.

They said this is false which is an opinion. An opinion by definition can't be false. There's no way for it to be fact checked except in 4 years.

Now obviously it won't happen but they weren't just listing factual statements as false.

Saying "will" isn't an opinion. If it's an opinion you'd use "could." Biden COULD do that. That's my opinion. Biden WILL do that is a matter of fact statement.

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Joe_Biden posted...

here's the thing

the president is in such a position of power than exaggerating about anything is not allowed because anything he says can have literal real world effects depending on who hears it.

such as an insurrection attempt.

Remember when Obama threatened the Jonas brothers with Predator drones? Good times!

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Joe_Biden posted...

here's the thing

the president is in such a position of power than exaggerating about anything is not allowed because anything he says can have literal real world effects depending on who hears it.

here's the thing

The average person understands what rounding is. Complaining about Trump saying 75 million when there were only 74 million weakens the argument. Trump had enough faults of his own that there's no need to make them up. Bolstering the number with claims like this only serves to bury the more legitimate complaints that might be in that list. Further, people will be less inclined to take the list seriously on larger issues because they gave equal signifigance to something so silly.

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