Poll of the Day > New report says 93% of BLM protests are peaceful, despite Trump narrative

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https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/nearly-all-black-lives-matter-protests-are-peaceful-despite-trump-narrative-report-finds

i love how the right wingers complained about fearmongering during the COVID-19 outbreak, but then turn around and accept Fox News and Trumps fearmongering about these protests


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93% of BLM protests are peaceful conservative fearmongering at its finest! pretty much all protests are peaceful! 7% resulting in violence/injuries/death is pretty much nothing, and is being overblown. It's barely any of the protests that actually cause problems. They just focus on the worst cases. The conservatives are morons who don't understand statistics!

95% of COVID cases don't result in critical illness LOCK EVERYTHING DOWN! COVID will end the world unless we do everything in our power to shut it down. What's wrong with people not doing everything we can to stop it from happening?! 5% with deaths/critical injuries still means a TON of people. The conservatives are morons who don't understand statistics!

Fam_Fam posted...

The conservatives are morons

Very true.

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Fam_Fam posted...

93% of BLM protests are peaceful conservative fearmongering at its finest! pretty much all protests are peaceful! 7% resulting in violence/injuries/death is pretty much nothing, and is being overblown. It's barely any of the protests that actually cause problems. They just focus on the worst cases. The conservatives are morons who don't understand statistics!

95% of COVID cases don't result in critical illness LOCK EVERYTHING DOWN! COVID will end the world unless we do everything in our power to shut it down. What's wrong with people not doing everything we can to stop it from happening?! 5% with deaths/critical injuries still means a TON of people. The conservatives are morons who don't understand statistics!

Severely contagious disease shreds though the Eastern World months before it comes to US its not a big deal! Anyone who is scared is overreacting! Just ignore it and it will go away! Most people who get it wont even know they have it and itll never effect them! WHO CARES if those can still spread the virus. Its all just made to make Trump look bad!

Outside extremists take advantage of nationwide protest to cause chaos 2 days later in front of the entire world: President: the entire movement is Antifa terrorists and communists! I have no proof but Im just gonna say it anyway! Im gonna send in the national guard and order them to kill ANYONE who gets in their way! by the way, its totally only Dem cities! Look how bad they look! Im totally not trying to make Dem cities look bad

see I can do that too

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FrozenBananas posted...

Severely contagious disease shreds though the Eastern World months before it comes to US its not a big deal! Anyone who is scared is overreacting! Just ignore it and it will go away! Most people who get it wont even know they have it and itll never effect them! WHO CARES if those can still spread the virus. Its all just made to make Trump look bad!

Outside extremists take advantage of nationwide protest to cause chaos 2 days later in front of the entire world: President: the entire movement is Antifa terrorists and communists! I have no proof but Im just gonna say it anyway! Im gonna send in the national guard and order them to kill ANYONE who gets in their way! by the way, its totally only Dem cities! Look how bad they look! Im totally not trying to make Dem cities look bad

see I can do that too

what did you do?

Fam_Fam posted...

what did you do?

if you have to ask, youll never know...

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Fam_Fam posted...

pretty much all protests are peaceful! 7% resulting in violence/injuries/death is pretty much nothing, and is being overblown. It's barely any of the protests that actually cause problems. They just focus on the worst cases.

I mean, that makes perfect sense. Most of the time, you won't see the preaceful protest on the news if nothing happened there. I know we've had a few here, and I didn't even hear about until after it happened...
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Nearly all? So what side do the "fiery but peaceful" protests fall?

We were assured by multiple media outlets that 100% of the protests were peaceful until just last week when Don Lemon said Biden was polling badly on the topic and it needed addressed.

Im not saying the article is wrong....but it might be wrong. There at least seems to be some room for error in the numbers.

jedisamurai posted...

We were assured by multiple media outlets that 100% of the protests were peaceful

were we now

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Fam_Fam posted...

93% of BLM protests are peaceful conservative fearmongering at its finest! pretty much all protests are peaceful! 7% resulting in violence/injuries/death is pretty much nothing, and is being overblown. It's barely any of the protests that actually cause problems. They just focus on the worst cases. The conservatives are morons who don't understand statistics!

95% of COVID cases don't result in critical illness LOCK EVERYTHING DOWN! COVID will end the world unless we do everything in our power to shut it down. What's wrong with people not doing everything we can to stop it from happening?! 5% with deaths/critical injuries still means a TON of people. The conservatives are morons who don't understand statistics!

I mean, the US has seen more covid deaths than there are total protesters, so I think your scales might be off by a couple orders of magnitude there.

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Journalists covering Black Lives Matter protests were also met with violence from government forces in at least 100 separate incidents across dozens of states this summer. One journalist was blinded after being hit in the eye with a rubber bullet while covering protests over George Floyds killing in Minneapolis.

This section of the article also stood out to me. If you've seen any of the videos of journalists being attacked by cops during the protests, you'll know they were absolutely disgusting.

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Hot take: I think, on average, theft and vandalism is less harmful to society than death or bodily harm (which includes assault).

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Clench281 posted...

Hot take: I think, on average, theft and vandalism is less harmful to society than death or bodily harm (which includes assault).

what a controversial statement!!

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93%!?!?!? LMAO

Of the protests that take place before 5pm, maybe.

LOL

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It's not a new strategy to judge movements like this on the worst cases.



In fact I think there are a lot of parallels between this and what's going on with the police.

• People see cases of violence/abuse in the news
• Some people associate the entire group with such violence, even if the numbers are minimal

The numbers SHOULD be zero as any rational person would tell you, but that's not the case. But the solution is not to simply demonize and abolish the groups entirely, because they're both doing important work that needs to be done. Problematic issues in the police system need to be reformed, and ANYONE guilty of unjustified violence or destruction must be brought to justice.

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keyblader1985 posted...

It's not a new strategy to judge movements like this on the worst cases.



In fact I think there are a lot of parallels between this and what's going on with the police.

* People see cases of violence/abuse in the news
* Some people associate the entire group with such violence, even if the numbers are minimal
The numbers SHOULD be zero as any rational person would tell you, but that's not the case. But the solution is not to simply demonize and abolish the groups entirely, because they're both doing important work that needs to be done. Problematic issues in the police system need to be reformed, and ANYONE guilty of unjustified violence or destruction must be brought to justice.

To be fair, back then we didn't have HD cameras to capture the truth of these "peaceful protests" the way we do now.

Of course racist assholes were going to do everything in their power to shut down MLK.

But in 2020......the people can SEE what's really going on.

And even then....the media still insists on editing footage, pushing narratives, and blatantly lying for the sake of politics.

Did ya'll conveniently forget about the Covington MAGA hat teen? If shit like that doesn't wake you up, I don't know what will.

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Even if 93% was accurate thats not exactly helping your case OP lol. And the guardian is a tabloid fucking rag lmao

^ well youre both die hard republicans so I dont think theres much that will change your mind. But it must totally be only on one website right?

https://myfox8.com/news/about-93-of-racial-justice-protests-in-the-us-have-been-peaceful-a-new-report-finds/amp/

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/?amp=true

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/93-black-lives-matter-protests-154741562.html

https://heavy.com/news/2020/09/blm-protests/amp/


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they are peaceful,the people looting and burning down businesses are NOT BLM,theyre idiots taking advantage of the situation knowing dumb americans will give BLM the blame for it.only in america can BLM be called a racist hate group and not the KKK.......

FrozenBananas posted...

^ well youre both die hard republicans so I dont think theres much that will change your mind. But it must totally be only on one website right?

https://myfox8.com/news/about-93-of-racial-justice-protests-in-the-us-have-been-peaceful-a-new-report-finds/amp/

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/?amp=true

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/93-black-lives-matter-protests-154741562.html

https://heavy.com/news/2020/09/blm-protests/amp/

Lol you know nothing about me. You also must have missed the part where i said 93% doesn't help your case. And you're still citing tabloids lmao

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Not a republican. And no. I'm not a "left-leaning centrist" either.

Im not saying youre a republican but this is a claim that nearly every right wing troll on this board makes

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adjl posted...

I mean, the US has seen more covid deaths than there are total protesters, so I think your scales might be off by a couple orders of magnitude there.

An estimated 15 million to 26 million people participated (though not all are "members" of the organization) in the 2020 Black Lives Matter protests in the United States, making Black Lives Matter one of the largest movements in U.S. history.[18]

2020 US COVID-19 Cases
6.26M

wrong.

The Guardian, huh?....

Same news group that deliberately plays down how the UK government protects Muslim Grooming gangs to protect their mass immigration policies...?

.... and now spin the peaceful protests now because Black Lives Matter?..

lol, okay

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keyblader1985 posted...

It's not a new strategy to judge movements like this on the worst cases.

Speaking of the Civil Rights movement of the 60's, I stumbled across a relevant piece from 2017 the other day. Some folks might find it interesting. I'll go hunt it down...
https://timeline.com/by-the-end-of-his-life-martin-luther-king-realized-the-validity-of-violence-4de177a8c87b

It is important to keep in mind with regards to protests (particularly ones that critique police and criminal justice systems) that escalate to riots is that escalation typically begins when some numbnut gives the order to law enforcement to crack down on said protest, and this is due to a variety of reasons. *shrug*

You'll consistently find that the areas that are having problems with rioting are also the ones where police brutality has been a consistent and pervasive issue within the local forces and are typically in the areas where the inciting injustice took place (so naturally the police in question have no qualms about treating people who criticize them like shit). Interestingly, there's no small # of instances caught on film of protesters grabbing "agitators" who try to initiate/encourage violence spontaneously and more or less tossing them to the police. I wonder if i can find some of them again to link to; I don't think i bookmarked them. Anyway...

There are BLM protests in my town and not a single person has been gassed, struck with mutilating projectiles, beaten, or arrested. And surprise surprise, our protests have been completely peaceful. It's almost like police brutalizing people for protesting police brutality only serves to piss people off and makes the protesters' beef with the police a now personalized threat that they now feel justified in lashing out at in turn. To compare that o my own experience, my uncle in Seattle participated in what was a peaceful protest until police blocked them into a space they couldn't get out of and started spraying the shit out of them. *shrug*

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Fam_Fam posted...

An estimated 15 million to 26 million people participated (though not all are "members" of the organization) in the 2020 Black Lives Matter protests in the United States, making Black Lives Matter one of the largest movements in U.S. history.[18]

2020 US COVID-19 Cases
6.26M

wrong.

at this rate, just wait a few months

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FrostedCream posted...

they are peaceful,the people looting and burning down businesses are NOT BLM,theyre idiots taking advantage of the situation knowing dumb americans will give BLM the blame for it.only in america can BLM be called a racist hate group and not the KKK.......

Well this is a lie. People who where literally the heads of local BLM groups where calling for looting as reparations.

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ColdOne666 posted...

literally the heads of local BLM

aka people that organized a protest and set a location but have no authority over others and set no terms for what other people believe

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ColdOne666 posted...

Well this is a lie. People who where literally the heads of local BLM groups where calling for looting as reparations.

The facts dont care about their feelings.

But I appreciate your use of logic and reason.

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GreenKnight127 posted...

The facts dont care about their feelings.

But I appreciate your use of logic and reason.

I think a lot of BLM and antifa supporters have read some sun tzu or at least that one excerpt about making your enemy think the opposite of reality

The 93% is a stupid, misleading claim considering that it counts a protest involving 10 people with signs on the street corner the same as it a protest does thousands engaged in shoving matches, shouting threats, and burning things. And suggesting that the large-scale protests aren't an issue because there are small protests where nothing happens is about as deceptive as you can get, as is the media spin where they try to treat the "peaceful" part of the protest as somehow being separate from when it turns violent.

Of course, it gets even worse than that:

The vast majority of the thousands of Black Lives Matter protests this summer have been peaceful, with more than 93% involving no serious harm to people or damage to property, according to a new report tracking political violence in the United States

ie, a "peaceful protest" can involve small-scale damage and minor injuries, just not burning buildings and killing people.

GreenKnight127 posted...

To be fair, back then we didn't have HD cameras to capture the truth of these "peaceful protests" the way we do now.

This. Even the "peaceful protests" frequently involve low-level violence and vandalism. People may be kicked, punched, and spit at, but that's still "peaceful" because nobody wound up seriously injured.

adjl posted...

I mean, the US has seen more covid deaths than there are total protesters, so I think your scales might be off by a couple orders of magnitude there.

The first problem with that statement is that it's speculative bullshit. The second part is that a lot of the transmissions were very likely driven by those same protests.

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Gaawa_chan posted...

Speaking of the Civil Rights movement of the 60's, I stumbled across a relevant piece from 2017 the other day. Some folks might find it interesting. I'll go hunt it down...
https://timeline.com/by-the-end-of-his-life-martin-luther-king-realized-the-validity-of-violence-4de177a8c87b

That is an interesting read. Indeed it doesn't make sense for people to be expected to follow all rules in place and then some, while timidly asking please for basic human rights from those denying them and breaking rules without consequences. I don't condone riots by any means, but they're sure as fuck understandable when peaceful methods have either fallen on deaf ears or achieved the bare minimum of improvement for.. centuries.

Also, haven't there been multiple reports that in nearly all cases there hasn't been much of any spread of covid as a result of protests, contrary to fears? The combination of being outdoors, wearing masks, and distancing as much as possible under the circumstances mitigates it a fair amount.

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keyblader1985 posted...

That is an interesting read. Indeed it doesn't make sense for people to be expected to follow all rules in place and then some, while timidly asking please for basic human rights from those denying them and breaking rules without consequences. I don't condone riots by any means, but they're sure as fuck understandable when peaceful methods have either fallen on deaf ears or achieved the bare minimum of improvement for.. centuries.

Also, haven't there been multiple reports that in nearly all cases there hasn't been much of any spread of covid as a result of protests, contrary to fears? The combination of being outdoors, wearing masks, and distancing as much as possible under the circumstances mitigates it a fair amount.

Whenever somebody suggests that violence or riots will not solve anything or will make the problem worse, they are either incredibly ignorant of history or deliberately arguing in bad faith.

I don't like violent protests but at the end of the day it's going to keep happening the longer the issue persists and at a certain point it's not fair to blame people for it when they are being preyed upon and ignored.

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The wealthy would love for the general populace to believe both sides are constantly creating violence. This helps instill fear and move along the agenda that seeks to remove rights from all people by getting those mired in the left vs. right false rhetoric to vote to remove rights from both sides at the same time. All to ensure the wealthy maintain their rule while the unwealthy trog along doing the work for the wealthy.

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GreenKnight127 posted...

To be fair, back then we didn't have HD cameras to capture the truth of these "peaceful protests" the way we do now.

Of course racist assholes were going to do everything in their power to shut down MLK.

But in 2020......the people can SEE what's really going on.

And even then....the media still insists on editing footage, pushing narratives, and blatantly lying for the sake of politics.

Did ya'll conveniently forget about the Covington MAGA hat teen? If shit like that doesn't wake you up, I don't know what will.

I love when people claim back then the only ones against MLK, people love to act like the average white man back then wasn't racists and MLK was just going after the KKK members or some shit. When that was NOT what the situation was at all, throughout a large chunk of the USA a black man couldn't walk into the front door of a restaurant and get seated and order a meal.

Um... 7% being violent is a pretty fucking big number. I expected it to be a lot lower. Thats many thousands of people.

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This topic sounds somewhat familiar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56zNyjII8Fg


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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Um... 7% being violent is a pretty fucking big number. I expected it to be a lot lower. Thats many thousands of people.

dont worry its just reflective of how great America is under Trump

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Um... 7% being violent is a pretty fucking big number. I expected it to be a lot lower. Thats many thousands of people.

Based on what I read, it saying 7% of protest have some sort of violence. Not 7% of protestors. Basically, if one person at a protest hits some people with his car, that protest is part of the 7%. Even though it was only one person that caused the violence. Meaning the number of people could be pretty low. Its not saying that all the protestors turn violent. Its just seems to be counting any protest that has violence (like injury, property damage, or death)... And to be honestly, it could actually be lower. There are probably a bunch of smaller protest that they dont even know about...
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Meanwhile, everyone to the right of Talcum X is literally Hitler.

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LinkPizza posted...

Based on what I read, it saying 7% of protest have some sort of violence. Not 7% of protestors. Basically, if one person at a protest hits some people with his car, that protest is part of the 7%. Even though it was only one person that caused the violence. Meaning the number of people could be pretty low. Its not saying that all the protestors turn violent. Its just seems to be counting any protest that has violence (like injury, property damage, or death)... And to be honestly, it could actually be lower. There are probably a bunch of smaller protest that they dont even know about...

Well the cops are usually looking for people destroying property or stealing stuff, but people have to keep in mind these are a siren's song for looters and those that love to destroy shit. This is exactly the type of situation where a criminal is more likely to go unnoticed in committing crimes, meaning that your career criminal might be looking at this as a golden opportunity to steal something.