Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1316

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pikachu's recovery is stupid in the original smash, quick attack is right behind Kirby in terms of never-dying, though he also had some very strong power moves too.

samus though has always been fun to play in smash. charge shot sounds good and when you hit it you feel so happy. bomb spamming also throws people off in casual play and the missiles that are semi-controllable are cool. you know it's just a really good arsenal when you suck your teeth for shooting a flamethrower.
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My brother and I always played Kirby (me) vs Pikachu (him)
That was years before I knew they are considered the best, guess we figured it out on our own (well, it might sound obvious to some, but not every top tier characyer is a top tier for a casual. Like, how do I even play SSBB Meta Knight?)
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Mario 50.00%
Samus Aran 48.58%
Sephiroth 40.75%
Tifa Lockhart 39.90%
Mega Man X 39.76%
Luigi 38.81%
Mewtwo 33.44%
Ryu 32.39%
Amaterasu 31.48%
Frog 29.79%
Captain Falcon 28.58%
Lara Croft 28.39%
Revolver Ocelot 25.12%
GlaDOS 25.09%
King Dedede 24.87%
Albert Wesker 24.22%
Miles Tails Prower 23.56%
Richter Belmont 22.64%
KOS-MOS 22.62%
Commander Shepard 21.67%
Geno 21.39%
King K. Rool 21.13%
Master Chief 20.98%
Ellie 20.61%
Lloyd Irving 20.44%
Nathan Drake 20.39%
Aqua 19.28%
Metal Man 18.23%
Miles Edgeworth 17.49%
Isabelle 15.39%
Monokuma 14.08%
Quiet 13.84%
Goro Majima 13.00%
Draven 7.47%
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Samus is a good main for a casual. She is just very satisfying to play with charge shot, projectile spam, and large grab length. Plus she doesn't take much tech skill to win with a lot at mid levels of play.

I played both SSB and SSB4 very casually and main'd Samus in both. Melee I played much more competitively and didn't really touch Samus there. Brawl I didn't play enough to really develop a main.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Mario 50.00%
Samus Aran 48.58%
Sephiroth 40.75%
Tifa Lockhart 39.90%
Mega Man X 39.76%
Luigi 38.81%
Mewtwo 33.44%
Ryu 32.39%
Amaterasu 31.48%
Frog 29.79%
Captain Falcon 28.58%
Lara Croft 28.39%
Revolver Ocelot 25.12%
GlaDOS 25.09%
King Dedede 24.87%
Albert Wesker 24.22%
Miles Tails Prower 23.56%
Richter Belmont 22.64%
KOS-MOS 22.62%
Commander Shepard 21.67%
Geno 21.39%
King K. Rool 21.13%
Master Chief 20.98%
Ellie 20.61%
Lloyd Irving 20.44%
Nathan Drake 20.39%
Aqua 19.28%
Metal Man 18.23%
Miles Edgeworth 17.49%
Isabelle 15.39%
Monokuma 14.08%
Quiet 13.84%
Goro Majima 13.00%
Draven 7.47%

Whats Tifa projected on Mario through Seph instead of through Samus?
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Link versus Cloud posted...

Whats Tifa project on Mario through Seph instead of through Samus?

42.74%
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LeonhartFour posted...

King K. Rool 21.13%
Master Chief 20.98%

pffffffffffff
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Janus5k posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

King K. Rool 21.13%
Master Chief 20.98%

pffffffffffff

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/(1)Master_Chief_vs_(4)Donkey_Kong_2005

Oh man, good times.
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For the record, regarding Snake/Sonic tomorrow, Zelda projects a 56.17% win for Snake and Auron projects a 57.57% win for Snake.
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The projection based on Zelda/Sonic could be on the low side if it turns out that the sprite pictures actually hurt Zelda slightly. We'll be able to use Snake/Zelda and Sonic/Snake to determine how much sprites actually hurt Zelda against Sonic.
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Master Chief wouldn't lose to King K. Rool dammit that Tails/Luigi result is SFF
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I mean it's not worse than Snake's sprite

although Sonic's was way better than Auron's
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LeonhartFour posted...

42.74%

Thx

LeonhartFour posted...

For the record, regarding Snake/Sonic tomorrow, Zelda projects a 56.17% win for Snake and Auron projects a 57.57% win for Snake.

next two days should be pretty boring. Snake, Samus, Link, and Mario should all wreck with 55%+.
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Well, this was the drawback of the way the bracket was set up to allow rematches like this. We're getting one result flipped, but the rest will be pretty much the same, in all likelihood.

I am really curious to see what the gap is between Link and Cloud these days though, so even if that one isn't close, I'm still intrigued by the outcome.
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honestly at this point i'm not sure there's any reason Chief would lose against Shepard.
although i'm amused at the possibility of him jobbing to Geno.
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NeoElfboy posted...

I remember Pikachu having some great throws in SSB original as well. Agreed that he always seemed really good.

His back throw can kill in the middle of Dreamland at something stupidly low like 70-80% . They didn't even pretend to balance Pikachu in 64.
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how will people decide what results to use for stats if we get rematches that deviate significantly?
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Link/Cloud has historically been so stable that I'm starting to get up my hopes for Cloud to pull off 46% again, just because he can. And only he can.
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Calintares posted...

how will people decide what results to use for stats if we get rematches that deviate significantly?

Probably the one that happens second/has more votes
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I imagine there will probably be a Winners and Losers version of the x-stats this year, in addition to our usual adjusted stats.
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Calintares posted...

how will people decide what results to use for stats if we get rematches that deviate significantly?

Take a look at the surrounding factors and make the best estimates from there.
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Pikachu is cutting too slowely to matter
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Link versus Cloud posted...

Samus is a good main for a casual. She is just very satisfying to play with charge shot, projectile spam, and large grab length. Plus she doesn't take much tech skill to win with a lot at mid levels of play.

I played both SSB and SSB4 very casually and main'd Samus in both. Melee I played much more competitively and didn't really touch Samus there. Brawl I didn't play enough to really develop a main.

For amateurs like me, the grab length was one of the worst parts of Samus.

Back when I was like 11 or 12 years old playing videogames at my babysitter's house, I played Smash for the first time, and recognized Pikachu most so he was my first player. After running through single player with Pikachu for a few days, I picked up Samus having never played Metroid before because I though "he" looked super cool.

I hadn't played Ocarina or seen any Zelda 3D to that point (only played multiplayer games because I didn't own an N64) so I didn't recognize Link as the character I had played as for years on the NES, especially because I always chose a custom name as a little kid.

My scope was even smaller. I only knew Mario DK and Pikachu and no one else
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NowItsAngeTime posted...

My scope was even smaller. I only knew Mario DK and Pikachu and no one else

Luigi?
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haloiscoolisbak posted...

NowItsAngeTime posted...

My scope was even smaller. I only knew Mario DK and Pikachu and no one else

Luigi?

Mario 64 didnt have Luigi soooo...
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Is Mega Man favored to win still?

If so, the end of the match should be interesting, since if Pikachu does come back to win again we can get a better read on his clutch.
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Megaman wins by about 180 votes predicting by where he was at this hour and how much pikachu won by in the end in their previous match

i'd say that's low enough that its really just a tossup, same as the first match.

Pikachu has this in the bag. No way the rabid Pokemon manchildren don't manage to rally another cheap win
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Pikachu has this in the bag. No way the rabid Pokemon manchildren don't manage to rally another cheap win

I just need to point out that not all of us Mega Man fans are like this guy. Then again every board 8er knows that Black Turtle is one of a kind.

But I will never understand the Pikachu love. Super annoying in the anime and useless in the games.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Pikachu has this in the bag. No way the rabid Pokemon manchildren don't manage to rally another cheap win

How does it feel to be wrong again and again and again so you start insulting?
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Zylothewolf posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Pikachu has this in the bag. No way the rabid Pokemon manchildren don't manage to rally another cheap win

I just need to point out that not all of us Mega Man fans are like this guy. Then again every board 8er knows that Black Turtle is one of a kind.

But I will never understand the Pikachu love. Super annoying in the anime and useless in the games.

Pikachu evolves to Raichu, which is decent in multiplayer.

I don't think Pikachu or Raichu are viable competitively. There are just so many better electric types, Tapu, Zapdos to name a few.

spooky96 posted...

I don't think Pikachu or Raichu are viable competitively. There are just so many better electric types, Tapu, Zapdos to name a few.

Not on singles, but definitely in doubles.

Alolan Raichu gets Surge Surfer, which makes it a great offensive lead with Tapu Koko. Not to mention it has an exclusive Z-Move to go with that.

Regular Raichu gets Lightningrod, and it's one of the only two pokemon (the other being Togedemaru) that gets both that and Fake Out (as well as Encore), which makes it a good pure support option. It was made a little obsolete by Togedemaru, but you could still prefer Raichu due to the higher speed and not being 2x weak to Ground.

Ah ok doubles, I was only thinking of singles. I'm not too updated about the meta. Does Landorus T wreck havoc in doubles too?

Last time I played (over a year ago) Lando T was omnipresent.

Intimidate is even better on doubles than on singles.

And groundium Z actually made it better.

Mega Man rising
RIP Pikachu
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That said the stuff I'm saying is from VGC17 where Alolan Raichu and Togedemaru were super common. I don't know what this year's meta did to their viability, but I assume they are still used sometimes.

Oh yeah I remember now, damn there were just so many broken Z moves it was...just wasn't an addition I enjoyed.

Pikachu probably does well through a combination of being the franchise's mascot and Smash.
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I wonder if tomorrow's poll is "Which SSBM newcomer is your favorite?"

It'll have Ganondorf/Bowser/Mewtwo, so that could be fun to watch (even though we all know the true answer is Marth).
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Big Bob posted...

I wonder if tomorrow's poll is "Which SSBM newcomer is your favorite?"

That won't be tomorrow's poll.

Tomorrow's poll will be "Have you ever gone to the midnight release event for a new game?"
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Zelda 50.00%
Solid Snake 49.68%
*Sonic the Hedgehog 43.55%
Sonic the Hedgehog 42.16%
*Auron 39.79%
Auron 38.52%
Aerith Gainsborough 37.81%
*Geralt 37.29%
Squall Leonhart 36.68%
*Bayonetta 36.63%
Geralt 36.10%
Fox McCloud 35.77%
*Simon Belmont 35.66%
Bayonetta 35.46%
*Vincent Valentine 35.17%
*Pac-Man 35.12%
*Ryu Hayabusa 35.09%
Simon Belmont 34.52%
*Sub-Zero 34.55%
Vincent Valentine 34.05%
Pac-Man 34.00%
Ryu Hayabusa 33.97%
*Magus 33.85%
Sub-Zero 33.35%
Jill Valentine 32.83%
*Rosalina 32.79%
Magus 32.77%
Waluigi 32.19%
Rosalina 31.75%
Captain Toad 30.26%
The Boss 29.30%
Shovel Knight 28.70%
*Lucina 27.50%
Lucina 26.62%
Garrus Vakarian 26.39%
*Riku 26.08%
Ramza Beoulve 26.06%
*Shulk 25.79%
Metal Sonic 25.48%
Riku 25.25%
Shulk 24.97%
Ezio Auditore da Firenze 24.67%
*Claire Redfield 23.25%
Claire Redfield 22.59%
*Joker/Ren Amamiya 21.58%
Joker/Ren Amamiya 20.89%
D. Va 20.37%
*Sans 20.11%
Sans 19.47%
Aloy 19.18%
Hat Kid 17.69%

Ones marked with the asterisk are the ones derived from the direct match with Zelda/Sonic. The others are the projections derived from Sonic/Auron and Snake/Auron, so Sonic actually did better than projected!
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Wht the FUCK is Aloy so bad
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Nanis23 posted...

Wht the FUCK is Aloy so bad

She only has a single Western game. Garrus, Geralt and Ezio all got trilogies.
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@Nanis23 Exclusive non Nintendo game of course.

Came back from work, checked the results. This is what I have to say.

1st match=I was sure that MM would win. Of course I want Pikachu to win but of course Americans vote for the wrong character most of the times anyways.
2nd match=Expected.

Still on the Leaderboard! Also are people still fighting about Samus/Mario matches? Contest is serious business.
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Not just Samus/Mario, Samus/Mario in 2004 on how much Mario would win by.
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If onlly someone could rally for Pikachu. Does he has any Hentai or something?
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Nanis23 posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Pikachu has this in the bag. No way the rabid Pokemon manchildren don't manage to rally another cheap win

How does it feel to be wrong again and again and again so you start insulting?

Why the hell do you have ads in your sig?
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Nanis23 posted...

Wht the FUCK is Aloy so bad

Because shes fucking ugly.
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