Current Events > I don't believe in white privilege. I believe in rich privilege.

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orcus_snake posted...

you dont get guns pointed at you by policemen for minor crimes even as a poor white person, so no.

do we have the stats on this or is this just something you feel

or is it something you've experienced living half your life as a poor white person and half your life as a black person

It's based on the 100% isolated incidents covered on CE against the 0% isolated incidents against white people, feel free to post articles about policemen shooting unarmed and surrendered white people to contest the argument tho.
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orcus_snake posted...

It's based on the 100% isolated incidents covered on CE against the 0% isolated incidents against white people, feel free to post articles about policemen shooting unarmed and surrendered white people to contest the argument tho.

Daniel Shaver was a pretty big deal.
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Orlando_Jordan posted...

In our society, money is power. Skin color is irrelevant. Are you going to say with a straight face that a poor white guy living in a trailer in Alabama is more privileged than Kanye West?

I can agree with you on that TC.

ChainedRedone posted...

orcus_snake posted...

It's based on the 100% isolated incidents covered on CE against the 0% isolated incidents against white people, feel free to post articles about policemen shooting unarmed and surrendered white people to contest the argument tho.

Daniel Shaver was a pretty big deal.

Oh fuck you're right, the oen where the office was barking order after order and when he did not comply due to possibly being drunk he just simply started shooting?
My bad, we did covr that shit in here.
I also now remember the woman that called 911 because she saw someone suspicious and police shot her as well, she was also white.

That said, in the meantime, we covered more than triple this number against black people, this si why the isolated incident #XXXX meme came from in the board.
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CyricZ posted...

The part that always cracks me up is people who fight so hard to deny white privilege, like admitting it exists would change their lives significantly.

I mean, y'all know that you don't actually have to do anything about it, right? You can just say "white privilege exists" and go about your lives just as you did before. No one's going to say "Ah HA you admitted it! You must now cede 30% of your assets to all the people of color!"

And it always comes back to "rich black people exist and poor white people exist, ergo white privilege doesn't exist". Like statistics aren't a thing.

Its because no one likes being told they have things easier because of heir skin color when reality is, they dont.

Funny you mention statistics. One black person per every 10 actors in a movie would be an accurate representation.

Also lol statistics. Im sure the public school curriculum is biased against blacks and set up to be beneficial to Asians based on national wide stats. Theres a handful of other claims I could also make based on statistics but that would be racist wouldnt it?
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EdgeMaster posted...

no one likes being told they have things easier

This is understandable, and a rather American thing that goes along with the pride of personal accomplishment. It goes back to the whole "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" and being "self-made". Celebrating yourself for your own achievements, even if it means ignoring how much help you got along the way, and, most pertinent to this argument, the fact that not everyone starts at "0" to get where they end up.

Because when you assume we all have the exact same level of opportunity in this world...

EdgeMaster posted...

they have things easier because of heir skin color when reality is, they dont

You get willfully ignorant statements like this. Evidence presented, testimony given, head in the sand.
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CyricZ posted...

I mean, y'all know that you don't actually have to do anything about it, right? You can just say "white privilege exists" and go about your lives just as you did before.

You can also just say "Santa Claus exists" and go about your life just as you did before. But why would you?
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CyricZ posted...

EdgeMaster posted...

no one likes being told they have things easier

This is understandable, and a rather American thing that goes along with the pride of personal accomplishment. It goes back to the whole "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" and being "self-made". Celebrating yourself for your own achievements, even if it means ignoring how much help you got along the way, and, most pertinent to this argument, the fact that not everyone starts at "0" to get where they end up.

Because when you assume we all have the exact same level of opportunity in this world...

EdgeMaster posted...

they have things easier because of heir skin color when reality is, they dont

You get willfully ignorant statements like this. Evidence presented, testimony given, head in the sand.

Thats the key word, assuming.

Under white privilege it is assumed that all white people start ahead of people of other races and ethnicities. The reality is not all white people do. When people do come from 0 and pull themselves up by their bootstraps it is discreditted and only happened because theyre white. This goes on to be a long list of bullshit like

The cops didnt shoot him because hes white
She got that job because she was white
He got into college because hes white
That club doesnt let black people in
Etc.

No, that white guy didnt reach for an officers gun, she had the qualifications for that job, he had good enough grades to get into college, and Jim Crow days are over.

None of these things are exclusive to whites and can be achieved by any other race, arguably its easier for them with affirmative action. Regardless, the victim card is still played and its the white man keeping everyone else down.
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EdgeMaster posted...

Thats the key word, assuming.

Under white privilege it is assumed that all white people start ahead of people of other races and ethnicities. The reality is not all white people do. When people do come from 0 and pull themselves up by their bootstraps it is discreditted and only happened because theyre white. This goes on to be a long list of bullshit like

The cops didnt shoot him because hes white
She got that job because she was white
He got into college because hes white
That club doesnt let black people in
Etc.

No, that white guy didnt reach for an officers gun, she had the qualifications for that job, he had good enough grades to get into college, and Jim Crow days are over.

None of these things are exclusive to whites and can be achieved by any other race, arguably its easier for them with affirmative action. Regardless, the victim card is still played and its the white man keeping everyone else down.

It's not that white people start ahead of other races, though that is generally true, too.

It is the societal barriers that blacks face which whites don't in several different areas of life. That's all. It doesn't mean anyone gets where they are 'just' because they're white, just that it is easier because they are white.

You seem to understand the concept that things can be easier for certain groups of people, since you acknowledge things might be easier for minorities due to affirmative action, so would you like the evidence of things like discrimination against blacks in the criminal justice system and hiring processes?
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You also seem to buy into the concept that being wealthy grants someone privilege, but interestingly what you said here applies just as much to rich people as white people if you switch out a word or two

EdgeMaster posted...

None of these things are exclusive to rich people and can be achieved by any other income group, arguably its easier for them with welfare. Regardless, the victim card is still played and its the rich man keeping everyone else down.

The logic of your argument applies equally to the rich/poor dynamic, since some poor people become rich (like Bill Gates) and some rich people become poor
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Kineth posted...

White privilege isn't a religion. Belief isn't a necessary requirement for its existence.

"You might not believe in God but He believes in you."

Another example why social justice adherents sound eerily similar to religious fundamentalists.

Their version of original sin is called white privilege.
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EdgeMaster posted...

ThanksUglyGod posted...

It's almost like white people literally didn't let black people become rich until ~50 years ago...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

Are you going to say with a straight face that a poor white guy living in a trailer in Alabama is more privileged than Kanye West?

Kanye? Probably in some ways.

Some non-famous, rich black guy. For sure.

Im very curious to know how someone making 15k a year living in a trailer is better off than someone making $200k+ a year just because theyre white.

I dont really understand how his works, so please explain.

The white dude saying something racist probably won't lose his job. The black guy protesting police brutality might.

ThanksUglyGod posted...

EdgeMaster posted...

ThanksUglyGod posted...

It's almost like white people literally didn't let black people become rich until ~50 years ago...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

Are you going to say with a straight face that a poor white guy living in a trailer in Alabama is more privileged than Kanye West?

Kanye? Probably in some ways.

Some non-famous, rich black guy. For sure.

Im very curious to know how someone making 15k a year living in a trailer is better off than someone making $200k+ a year just because theyre white.

I dont really understand how his works, so please explain.

The white dude saying something racist probably won't lose his job. The black guy protesting police brutality might.

just to be clear, I disagree with this entirely

I do feel there are countervailing privileges at work here, and I think the assumption that white trash is 'more privileged' than any black person is very flawed

it is true that they have white privilege that will help them in many situations, but that is not the same as being 'more privileged' which is obviously hard to quantify... but wealth certainly plays into it as well
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br0g which privilege do you enjoy the most?

and do you feel privilege is a mechanism to try and legislate "group rights" (as in one group is privileged, therefore the other groups deserve these "rights" to level the playing field)?

If so you do you think groups can have rights?

Balrog0 posted...

just to be clear, I disagree with this entirely

I do feel there are countervailing privileges at work here, and I think the assumption that white trash is 'more privileged' than any black person is very flawed

it is true that they have white privilege that will help them in many situations, but that is not the same as being 'more privileged' which is obviously hard to quantify... but wealth certainly plays into it as well

I don't disagree with you. It is hard to quantify who has more privilege between a rich black person and a poor white person.

But I think white privilege trumps wealth privilege all else being equal.

But then this would be disruptive to the corporate donors for the DNC.
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ThanksUglyGod posted...

But I think white privilege trumps wealth privilege all else being equal.

well what do you consider wealth privilege to be
and what do you consider white privilege to be

and which parts of white privilege do you think trumps wealth privilege

specifically

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

And if you really want to get crazy take a look at professional athletes and the shit they get away with. Its money. Not race.

Serena Williams has been the most dominant player in womens tennis forever and she still gets shit for her race

People still talk about her like a stain
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Romes187 posted...

br0g which privilege do you enjoy the most?

I mean I wasn't joking when I said being white has helped me in situations very similar to the obvious attempt to clown on a Jay-Z song

when I was 21 my friends and I got pulled over for being in an out of state car with no plates, no registration, weapons in the car, found weed in my pocket

just let us go.

you think they'd do that if we were 4 black kids? none of us are rich btw

Romes187 posted...

and do you feel privilege is a mechanism to try and legislate "group rights" (as in one group is privileged, therefore the other groups deserve these "rights" to level the playing field)?

If so you do you think groups can have rights?

I dunno, most people employ most terms in order to get things rather than because they want to talk about things but I dont think its exclusive to discussions of privilege so Im not sure how I feel about framing white privilege specifically this way
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to expand on that, it's not like that incident was a huge deal. I could be in a similar situation on any given night tbh

but just imagine if I were a minority in that situation. my entire life would be different now, I definitely would not have a professional white-collar job
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We just need to stop acknowledging funbazooka and the rest of the white nationalist kooks on CE.
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"white privilege" is the basic concept that Society overvalues Whiteness and associates it with more positive attributes thus benefiting things seen as White/closer to whiteness , non Whites are viewed as 2nd tier and even when obtaining solid economic status are still more prone to things such as having to overpay to live in a ok neighborhood , overpaying on loans and discrimination in things such as the court system/more likely to be fired from said well paying jobs, secondly no society has ever eliminated poverty completely there are Whites who are poor because of mental health/ostracism/economic downturn, poverty has many diverse root causes and the existence of a white economic underclass does little to disprove the notion of white privilege, since the concept is that whiteness gets you treated better in American society not that you can't have some other issue that causes you to looked down upon.
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Funbazooka posted...

Kineth posted...

White privilege isn't a religion. Belief isn't a necessary requirement for its existence.

"You might not believe in God but He believes in you."

Another example why social justice adherents sound eerily similar to religious fundamentalists.

Their version of original sin is called white privilege.

You poor thing. You actually thought you had a decent argument.

ZMythos posted...

We just need to stop acknowledging funbazooka and the rest of the white nationalist kooks on CE.

Yeah, you definitely right about that.
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its pretty great how the right-leaners LOVE to re-define things so they can better argue

#metoo = all men are evil

kneeling for the flag to protest injustice = protesting the anthem and flag

white privilege = white people did literally nothing to get where they are now and deserve nothing
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

its pretty great how the right-leaners LOVE to re-define things so they can better argue

The left ruined racism and quite a few others. Right just wants to keep up.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

The left ruined racism

I'm sorry racism was ruined for you?
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CyricZ posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

The left ruined racism

I'm sorry racism was ruined for you?

certain people kept hearing "racism" because they kept doing racist shit and now assume the word is meaningless because everything they do is being called "racist"

now they preach that "racist" is meaningless, as though the concept no longer exists because people repeated the word too many times
(which is something that the right also came up with; the left has tried many times to explain the different types of racism and its different effects)
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EdgeMaster posted...

Same. I was driving to work earlier and a cop pulls me over. Im panicking here because my car smells like smoke, I have shit in my car and not sure wtf I did to get pulled over in the highway. Cop asks if I know what Im being pulled over for... I say idk Im not a mind reader, sir the cop then says well, you were going 55 in a 54. We both start laughing and he high fives me and we laugh about how white people dont have to follow the law.

EdgeMaster posted...
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