Board 8 > Kenri ranks 110 Fire Emblem characters [the ranking]

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NBIceman
07/27/18 1:21:31 AM
#51:


Most likely to choke a point? Obviously Draug.
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xp1337
07/27/18 1:27:59 AM
#52:


Fun Fact: At first I was completely unable to muster the base level of cognitive ability to understand the prompt so my original thought was it was some play on like a choking hazard and instinctively thought of Takumi because of his haircut and how it's pointy. Then I saw he wasn't on the list and was like "like choking a free throw?" and thought maybe Brady because of his confidence issues.

only then did my brain finally start to work properly and i understood the obvious
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Kenri
07/27/18 1:30:38 AM
#53:


Punnyz posted...
Hes a liability. Buuuuuuut yea, Hes a pirate and I liked his dorag. literally he only reason I had him lol

I think I used him for this exact reason lmao, or at least tried to.

Punnyz posted...
IS THIS ACTUALLY A MOTHERFUCKIN JOJO REFERENCE?

honestly i think it's entirely possible that fe1 slipped in some classic anime references, seems plausible at least

Fun fact: the Samson and Arran thing with the feuding villages was the initial inspiration for Fire Emblem Fates. (also if I learned this from someone else in your own topic, my bad, I frequent a lot of FE sites lol)

xp1337 posted...
on the part of the nominators for choosing all these guys and not Canas tbqh

Lopen posted...
Canas isn't even the best dark mage in his own game

porque no los dos?

And there's still one dark mage left, technically.
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Kenri
07/27/18 8:31:56 PM
#54:


89. Natasha (8)

Natasha's... fine. There are a lot of early game healers and they can't all be as good as Serra, but Natasha is more or less just Lena again. And we've already had Lena again in lots of other games too.

Natasha's got some cute supports though, and not to mention cute dialogue with Joshua in their intro chapter.

88. Xander (Fates)

Hoo boy. Now here's a character that's just plain not written consistently. Sometimes Xander is an absolute moral coward whose fear of his father supercedes his love of those closest to him and even his loyalty to his country; at other times, Xander is a courageous revolutionary risking his life every day, who can navigate impossible moral quandaries with grace. It doesn't even depend on the route. He's consistently inconsistent across routes.

This is because Fates had multiple teams of writers who did not communicate. Fucking hell. Sometimes Xander's a good character, but he's mostly intolerable, so #88 he goes.

87. Heath (7)

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/b/ba/Heathingame.png/revision/latest?cb=20161120011706

Honestly Heath is fine as a character, I just fucking hate his design? Heath looks like a Deviantart drawing of the hawk from Sonic Riders as a human. Heath looks like his hairdresser uses How to Draw Anime books as references. Heath looks like a guy you'd just assume does cosplay. Heath looks like a dumb 20 year old from an alternate universe where hair dye is permanent. Heath looks like if Monster Factory did a Fire Emblem episode.

I'm petty. This is a petty ranking.

86. Draug (Shadow Dragon/New Mystery)

DOGA WILL CHOKE THIS POINT

yeah if it was that version of the character he'd be a lot higher but unfortunately that's 100% fanfic. the real version is so generic knight that his name is just Guard backwards.

Next time: It's a bad day for characters with long hair.
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xp1337
07/27/18 8:40:23 PM
#55:


Xander just consults a Magic 8 Ball every morning to decide his motivation for the day. "Will I stand up to my Father who is obviously evil?" "Ask again later."

Kenri posted...
Next time: It's a bad day for characters with long hair.

idk Maribelle?
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Eerieka
07/27/18 9:11:23 PM
#56:


When Xander is a good character, he's so freaking good. I love him and he's my favorite husband for female Corrin, and pretty much any female character. His support with Peri is terrible of course, but there's no way to excuse Peri being his retainer. But when he's bad, it's so fucking maddening. Part of why I nommed him was to see where he'd fall in that balance lol.
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Kenri
07/27/18 11:17:57 PM
#57:


Peri being Xander's retainer is so fucking weird. Like, it's hardly the biggest problem with Xander but it's definitely emblematic of his biggest problems.

His supports are definitely some of the better ones in Fates, though I don't think I ever got F!Corrin/Xander. I think I did Peri/Xander in Conquest actually lol.
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xp1337
07/27/18 11:25:50 PM
#58:


I'm just assuming Peri was Camilla's retainer originally but Xander lost a bet or something so he got stuck with her.
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Kenri
07/27/18 11:34:50 PM
#59:


the worst thing is that i've used peri enough to know that's not what happened
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Panthera
07/27/18 11:39:19 PM
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I think Tharja's shittiness burned me out on caring about Peri. I can't bring myself to have that much disdain for her when the previous game had someone that was basically her except worse and also a crazy stalker and abusive parent who didn't even have the decency to bring some half assed excuse for why she's such a scumbag (at least Peri has one of those to let you pretend she's not just there to fulfill some developer's creepy child serial killer fetish)
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Eerieka
07/27/18 11:46:46 PM
#61:


xp1337 posted...
I'm just assuming Peri was Camilla's retainer originally but Xander lost a bet or something so he got stuck with her.


Peri and Xander's support discusses why he chose her to be a retainer. It's some bullshit like "Even though you got second place in a tournament, I saw you were a truly noble lady of good spirit deep down." It's eye-rollingly bad. Otherwise, Xander's supports are some of the best and most heart-warming.
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Punnyz
07/27/18 11:51:03 PM
#62:


Kenri posted...


DOGA WILL CHOKE THIS POINT

wut

Just like most characters in SD, he lost his importance after awhile but he IS the guy that helped them escape when their kingdom fell, so theres that

I liked his blue armor and his pompadour, but I had some affection for him because I always tested the waters by putting him out first

if they hit harder than I anticipated, he could tank it and still survive for a few more hits. If it was anybody else, they probably would've died right there

Hell, when I fought Camel or whatever the fuck his name is, it was Draug that was tanking his hits. I didn't realize his weapon was THAT powerful and only Draug could've survived them, if he had went after anyone else, he would've started killing them one by one

Draug saved all of my army's lives more than I could know

OH ALSO

I googled him, apparently hes in Fire Emblem heroes and:

http://onlinefanatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Face-19.png

LOOK AT HIM

Ironically hes still generic but he went from being some unassuming guy with a pomp
http://cdn.staticneo.com/w/fireemblem/1/13/Draug.png

to ...THAT, A generic ANIME HERO

FEH did him so well

and I don't even know what the FUCK this is:
https://fireemblemwiki.org/w/images/thumb/a/aa/FEARHT_Draug.png/200px-FEARHT_Draug.png
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07/28/18 12:19:40 AM
#63:


Peri was way worse than Tharja.
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xp1337
07/28/18 1:41:37 PM
#64:


I know that isn't the real story behind Xander and Peri. >_>
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Kenri
07/29/18 1:31:46 AM
#65:


85. Mia (9/10)

Mia's feud with Rhys is definitely more entertaining than Kieran's feud with Oscar, but otherwise, Tellius has plenty of swordmasters that I prefer to Mia (like Lucia and Stefan). Not gonna lie: Mia also gets held back a little bit by her voice acting, which just sucks that much, even if there's not much of it.

84. Camilla (Fates)

Camilla's written almost as poorly and inconsistently as Xander, with an extra helping of creepy incest subtext on top of it all. But there are a few supports that definitely show her more mature side too, and she's not nearly as frustrating as Xander during the main story (with a couple notable exceptions). Of all the Fates royalty, Camilla always seemed like the most jaded -- she already knows how fucked up everything is, she just believes it's unfixable until Corrin starts upsetting the balance anyway. If Camilla got better armor and better writers I might even downright like her.

83. Sephiran (9/10)

This is probably kind of low but Sephiran has never been a favorite of mine. Compared to other Tellius villains, I like Zelgius and Ashnard both a lot more -- though I prefer Sephiran to Ashera and a lot of the more minor shitbags. His design is A+ though, I don't think a single person saw him and didn't think "wow this guy is probably OP as fuck" even before they checked his stats and saw he was --/20.

82. Hana (Fates)

Hana's okay. She's just a girl doing her best and I'm okay with that, she doesn't need anything else. Though I like Subaki more than her, I really like Hana's rivalry with him, since Subaki being perfect in almost every area is like... not him being arrogant but actually a thing that's true, the fact that she keeps up with him without bragging about it is a really subtle way of showing her skill and hard work.

81. Micaiah (10)

Something about Corrin existing now makes Micaiah seem pretty fucking well written, so I probably need to replay Radiant Dawn to reevaluate her... Oh well. Micaiah is, first of all, an inherently ridiculous character: a silver-haired, gold-eyed, immortal Branded user of the second rarest kind of magic, future seer, only user of a unique healing magic called Sacrifice, natural born leader of ~The Resistance~, friend to birds and vassal for the gods, properly the empress of Begnion, inheritor of the throne of Daein, and gets personally guarded by the fucking BLACK KNIGHT. You can make any main character look ridiculous like that, including Ike; Micaiah's just a bit more obnoxious than most because she doesn't get a whole game to herself to spread it all out.

But where Micaiah really gets me is in the game's third act, where she becomes a straight up nationalist warmonger and it's like ??? I don't want this in my protagonist, especially when it contradicts the rest of her character. Stop it.

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mcflubbin
07/29/18 1:39:14 AM
#66:


Kenri posted...
Tellius has plenty of swordmasters that I prefer to Mia (like Lucia and Stefan)

I just replayed Radiant Dawn recently and Lucia stood out to me as a character that doesn't get as much love as she should. She's super cool. I should have nominated her for this but she totally slipped my mind.
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Kenri
07/29/18 1:44:53 AM
#67:


xp1337 posted...
I know that isn't the real story behind Xander and Peri. >_>

I stand corrected, the worst thing is that we've both used Peri enough to know that.

Punnyz posted...
Kenri posted...


DOGA WILL CHOKE THIS POINT

wut

This:
http://shaym.in/fe1/lp.html

It's a screenshot let's play that's the source of like... half of all overused FE jokes. <_<

And yeah Draug's designs certainly have been, uh, a variety of things. I think Heroes went too cute with him, but it beats whatever the hell that other thing is.
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kateee
07/29/18 1:44:59 AM
#68:


Mia was my fav in my PoR playthrough because of that ability iirc
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Mewtwo59
07/29/18 1:53:52 AM
#69:


mcflubbin posted...
Kenri posted...
Tellius has plenty of swordmasters that I prefer to Mia (like Lucia and Stefan)

I just replayed Radiant Dawn recently and Lucia stood out to me as a character that doesn't get as much love as she should. She's super cool. I should have nominated her for this but she totally slipped my mind.


Which is weird because female Myrmidons in general get way more love than they should. But I guess the fact that she's barely around in both games really hurts her.
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Punnyz
07/29/18 2:32:13 AM
#70:


*googles Lucia*

She was in PoR?

I don't remember her at all

she looks cool

The only thing I can think of is I was probably too far in with Mia and Zihark to start using another swordmaster, I guess
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NBIceman
07/29/18 2:39:32 AM
#71:


I always really liked Lucia's design but man was she ever bad.
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xp1337
07/29/18 10:04:06 AM
#72:


Kenri posted...
I stand corrected, the worst thing is that we've both used Peri enough to know that

the suffering is real

Strong disagree on *FE9 and 10 Spoilers* Zelgius being better than Sephiran. I'll definitely give you Ashnard though. Although it might be that I feel a lot of Sephiran's most interesting aspects are in his battle conversations, although that's true about a lot of the Tellius characters. His Nailah conversation is great, and a lot of characters have some pretty great convos with him. Sothe has one, IIRC.

A bit surprised Camilla is that high comparatively speaking. I agree with you that a lot of potential is there, especially with her cynicism, but argh the creepy stuff is so unnecessary and is made such a central focus for her that it just drags her down IMO.

Broadly agree with you re: Hana, though I like her a bit more than you, I think. I forget which convo it is - Kaze, maybe? - where she explains her motivation and determination being based in once being taunted about being a girl samurai was a standout.

I could probably write a full post on various parts of Micaiah... and I also think she comes out looking better now after Awakening and Fates then she did at the time. Still think the story bends too much to try and make you sympathize with her and never really forces her to a true reckoning of her actions as you kind of allude to but again, there's definitely some potential in there.
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Mewtwo59
07/29/18 5:51:24 PM
#73:


It really doesn't help that Lucia joins 9 chapters after Stefan with a higher level and worse stats. And Astra blows Parity out of the water. She wins in supports but supports don't play well with Parity. Then in RD she's barely around and by the time she joins for good she'll be underleveled and Mia or Zihark (or Edward lol) should be much better than her, plus Stefan joins about the same time at a proper level for that point of the game.
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Peace___Frog
07/29/18 9:05:43 PM
#74:


Yeah, i like Lucia as a character, but she never joins at an appropriate time for where she starts out
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Lopen
07/30/18 12:40:22 AM
#75:


I used Lucia in FE9 cause I liked her design and I didn't think she was too bad to raise up. Definitely not on the tier of the actual tough to raise units in the series.
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Kenri
07/31/18 1:07:29 AM
#76:


Saving this from the purge because I've been busy the last couple days :/
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xp1337
07/31/18 8:32:19 AM
#77:


Just realized I never made a guess.

Kenri posted...
Next up: these aren't even names. these are just words.

Nah and Erk.
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NeoElfboy
07/31/18 9:28:00 AM
#78:


Man a lot of characters I quite like have gone out now. :(

I thought Sephiran was quite a compelling villain. The Tellius games use a lot of good setting work to explain exactly why he is the way he is, and I don't have a hard time sympathising for someone who has for years fought fruitlessly against the violent nature of humans and laguz, culminating in the genocide of his own race, give up hope and decide that his god was right that intelligent life should be purged and given a new start. I'm surprised someone would like him more than Ashnard who I found just horrible (LOL I'mma gonna let people invade my country and for some reason my army doesn't revolt). Best thing about Ashnard is how RD reveals that he's just a pawn for Sephiran, which is the only logical explanation for how this dolt accomplished anything.

Xander is a lot more consistent than you're giving him credit for. He's a good, just person (outside the Peri support maybe, just gonna pin that one on Peri)... except where his father is concerned where he has a huuuge blind spot of filial loyalty and will happily dance mental gymnastics to justify it. Having talked with a couple of friends who had abusive fathers whom they nevertheless had strong inclinations to stay loyal too made that part of Xander ring incredibly true for me.

I think Camilla is extremely interesting and trope-breaks so much about FE's normal, sometimes problematic take on female characters that I can't help but love her. She's strong, she's sexual, she's violent, she has serious psychological issues (which manifest differently on each route). She's also my wife's favourite character in the series which probably colours my opinion. Might be mine too, I dunno.

Micaiah's probably my favourite lord, because she's one of the few the game is willing to acknowledge might be wrong about things, and one of the few who gets placed in a morally difficult position. I don't really get why you're so hung up on a bunch of superficial "special" traits when in fact the game spends less signficantly less time gushing over her greatness than it does Ike's, or more generally... most lords?

Kieran's not deep but he's absolutely hilarious. His supports with Oscar and Marcia in PoR are great, as is his info conversation with Geoffrey in RD. He's a large ham and I love those. "I will brook no insult to my queen, or my armour!" Interesting that you compare her to Mia who I find extremely boring by comparison.
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xp1337
07/31/18 9:43:32 AM
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Re: Ashnard. Ashnard's whole thing is an extreme belief in meritocracy. Might makes right, and all that. And he extends it to himself. Shinon betrayal arc explains the appeal to it towards the masses in that it's really the only place on Tellius where there's that kind of potential for social mobility for commoners. I think that's part of why his army follows him, it tends to lead towards fellow believers in his philosophy like Petrine rise through the ranks. There's also likely a fear element there.

Ashnard is one of, if not the best, FE villain IMO. On a meta level it's also hilarious that one of the most informative conversations on his character is a battle convo with Reyson.

As for Micaiah, while it has been a while since I played RD, I disagree with your characterization of how the narrative treats her. While it does acknowledge she does some terrible things, it - and the other characters - are almost always sympathetic to her and she still never truly faces the consequences of her actions. Which is... problematic, IMO.
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Kenri
08/01/18 12:22:49 AM
#80:


xp1337 posted...
A bit surprised Camilla is that high comparatively speaking. I agree with you that a lot of potential is there, especially with her cynicism, but argh the creepy stuff is so unnecessary and is made such a central focus for her that it just drags her down IMO.

I think I forgive a lot of her creepiness because Fates is just a creepy-ass game in general. Like... it's not her fault she's a monster.

Lopen posted...
I used Lucia in FE9 cause I liked her design and I didn't think she was too bad to raise up. Definitely not on the tier of the actual tough to raise units in the series.

Basically my feeling. She's not the best or the worst, and there are plenty of better options, but she's usable if you want to.

NeoElfboy posted...
Xander is a lot more consistent than you're giving him credit for. He's a good, just person (outside the Peri support maybe, just gonna pin that one on Peri)... except where his father is concerned where he has a huuuge blind spot of filial loyalty and will happily dance mental gymnastics to justify it. Having talked with a couple of friends who had abusive fathers whom they nevertheless had strong inclinations to stay loyal too made that part of Xander ring incredibly true for me.

I think the blind spot extends way beyond Garon and into a general inconsistency towards all of Nohr, his father's retainers, his siblings, Hoshido, etc.

Garon also isn't just abusive, he's a murderous dictator. And yes, it's realistic for a murderous dictator's son to stand by him, too -- but we also generally don't think of those sons as heroes, ya know?

xp1337 posted...
As for Micaiah, while it has been a while since I played RD, I disagree with your characterization of how the narrative treats her. While it does acknowledge she does some terrible things, it - and the other characters - are almost always sympathetic to her and she still never truly faces the consequences of her actions. Which is... problematic, IMO.

Yeah this is my feeling too. I'd say she faces significantly fewer consequences for her actions than the average lord.
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Pokalicious
08/02/18 10:48:41 PM
#81:


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Kenri
08/03/18 12:58:25 AM
#82:


80. Geitz (7)

Boasting great base stats, hard mode bonuses, and ranks in both axes and bows, Geitz is the FE newbie's primer on Good Prepromos. I never found a perfect spot for him in my teams, but he can easily slot in without needing any investment. Character-wise he's related to Geese from FE6 in one of the more frivolous connections. Unfortunately Geese is a lot hotter.

79. Nah (Awakening)

Maybe now's a good time to talk about the conceit of the Awakening kids, which is that each one's gimmick is actually just their way of coping with the trauma they experienced during the Bad Future. It's sometimes hard to notice since the parents have gimmicks that are just gimmicks, but then you start to see some of the cracks showing: for instance, whereas Nowi acts much younger than her age with brief moments of maturity, Nah tries to act a lot older than she is and has occasional moments of immaturity. It's clever!

78. Sully (Awakening)

I don't really like cavs in Awakening, but Sully's way cooler than Stahl. She has great hair and seems like she'd be a fun character to go drinking with, but there's not a whole lot of depth here. I find her speech patterns kind of annoying, like the game's trying too hard to hammer in that she's a tomboy in every sentence instead of letting her personality develop naturally. Her daughter's super cool though.

77. Myrrh (8)

Myrrh is cool. Everyone likes when someone's secretly a big fuck off dragon, and she has low-key the saddest moment in the game. That said, she's kind of derivative of Tiki and Fae, and less interesting than both of them. I wish she had a more active role in the game's plot.

76. Delthea (Echoes)

Delthea is a pretentious little shit and she can back up every word of it, it's great. She's just a devastatingly powerful magic user who happens to be like 12 and she knows that that gives her free license to be The Worst. I love Delthea but I also think she'd be a better character if she was older and hung out with a dude named Artur.

"Come on, who needs gods when you're as strong as me?"

75. Rutger (6)

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/2/2d/B05-031HN_artwork.png/revision/latest?cb=20180213214326

Oh no, he's cute.

Rutger was probably the last time in FE that the recruitable myrmidon asshole was actually a threat. Rutger is notorious for just popping up as a reinforcement and critting someone to death. Rutger's cool, but cool is pretty much all he is (aside from arguably the best swordmaster in FE history). This guy is everyone's favorite character when they're like 14 years old.

Next up: Two axemen and two swordfighters.
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Punnyz
08/03/18 7:17:20 PM
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MysteriousStan
08/03/18 7:42:10 PM
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Yeah, knew Geitz would end up low but I love him and he's one of my favorite characters. His support with Fiora is one of my all time favorites. After throwing everything away he simply wanders around trying to find some meaning to his life and generally doesn't care if he even lives or dies. He'll keep looking anyway though. Until then, he'll just continue going on. I think that can be pretty relatable to a lot of people.
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xp1337
08/03/18 7:52:28 PM
#85:


Kenri posted...
Next up: Two axemen and two swordfighters.

Boyd, Gregor and uhh 2 guys from FEs I haven't played.

Maybe Gerik though, however I think I'd place him ahead of enough of the guys remaining to hope against that.
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Team Rocket Elite
08/05/18 2:14:48 AM
#86:


Bump
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08/06/18 10:23:59 AM
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08/07/18 11:35:40 PM
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Bump
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Kenri
08/08/18 9:05:26 PM
#89:


The thread didn't die, it just lost all its HP and retreated.

74. Boyd (9/10)

Boyd: a good friend. He talks a big game and can't really back it up but unlike Vaike, for instance, he seriouses up when he needs to. It's a good contrast with Shinon and Gatrie. Boyd's always been a good unit for me too. Just an all around lad!

73. Ogma (Shadow Dragon/New Mystery)

Ogma might be canonically the best swordsman in Archanea, and he's definitely a good unit if you need a sword guy to wreck house while Marth is busy visiting villages and opening chests. He would go on to inspire a long lineage of mercenaries whose main personality trait is "can dunk on fools" including Saber, Raven, Gerik, Gregor, and most notably Dieck, who is literally just Ogma right down to leading a mercenary band composed mostly of shitty axemen. All of them are better than Ogma, but Ogma's still okay!

72. Lloyd Reed (7)

I've definitely turned on the Reed brothers over the years; they're interesting as sympathetic characters for sure, but I don't really find them that sympathetic anymore.

Nevertheless, Lloyd is clearly one of the more challenging fights in FE7 and one of the better "plot twists" (gameplay twists?) in the whole series. Even for people who started with Fire Emblem 7, I think most of us had figured out the pattern of "sympathetic boss + unit I control asking to talk to them = new recruit" around the time we were recruiting Raven, so the first time Nino talks to Lloyd and it does nothing, it's a real shock.

71. Barst (Shadow Dragon/New Mystery)

Barst might be the best axeman in the Archanea games? They're not an interesting group, but Barst has a sheer amount of life experience that is just downright respectable. Dude's just kinda carried by the breeze, mercenary one day, sailor the next, pirate later because why not.

70. Miriel (Awakening)

A lot of people hate Miriel and I'm not really sure why -- she's one of the more normal humans in Awakening, honestly. She's definitely one of those characters who is smarter than her writers though (and as a result, often sounds like she's full of shit in her dialogue).

Miriel stands out for having given birth to the Least Interesting Man in the World.

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08/08/18 9:12:50 PM
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I honestly think I'd be mostly impartial to Miriel if not for her kid. Kinda boring but has moments here and there.

Then her kid shows up and it's like "oh, you thought this character was so good you had to make two of it. Really?" and it indirectly sours me on her as well.
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08/08/18 9:18:20 PM
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Laurent is just Miriel's Echo Fighter.
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08/08/18 9:33:07 PM
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I was originally going to nominate Lloyd but I stopped and thought "Now that I'm thinking about it Lloyd isn't quite as good as I always thought" and passed the slot to someone else. Still think this may be a bit low though. I always did (and still do) like the little touches of how differently Lloyd and Linus react to Nino in gameplay.

i'm also passing on guessing this time because handhelds whatever that's no fun guessing at!
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08/09/18 3:48:38 PM
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I don't think I've ever had a playthrough of PoR where Boyd wasn't top 2 in kills. Dude always turns into a beast for me.

I also think he gets some very nice, if understated, character growth from 9 to 10, but I might be one of the only people that says so.
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08/09/18 4:42:43 PM
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Kenri posted...
Laurent is just Miriel's Echo Fighter.

This is too accurate
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Nameless2000
08/09/18 5:54:40 PM
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Kenri posted...
Miriel stands out for having given birth to the Least Interesting Man in the World.

Please don't be mean to my disappointing son.
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xp1337
08/10/18 11:57:21 AM
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Up? (i dunno how the purge works anymore so just being safe)
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NeoElfboy
08/10/18 12:28:53 PM
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Kenri posted...
Nevertheless, Lloyd is clearly one of the more challenging fights in FE7 and one of the better "plot twists" (gameplay twists?) in the whole series. Even for people who started with Fire Emblem 7, I think most of us had figured out the pattern of "sympathetic boss + unit I control asking to talk to them = new recruit" around the time we were recruiting Raven, so the first time Nino talks to Lloyd and it does nothing, it's a real shock.


Mm, that wasn't my experience at all. Granted I was fighting Linus instead of Lloyd in that map, and Linus comes across as axe-crazy and generally needing to be put down if you fight him second. Lloyd I can kinda understand having that reaction to, I guess, for all that my general assumption is that you can never recruit the boss of a chapter, just other sympathetic folks with portraits (disproven by RD Oliver which is one of the few which did completely surprise me).
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08/10/18 12:57:14 PM
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NeoElfboy posted...
Mm, that wasn't my experience at all. Granted I was fighting Linus instead of Lloyd in that map, and Linus comes across as axe-crazy and generally needing to be put down if you fight him second. Lloyd I can kinda understand having that reaction to, I guess, for all that my general assumption is that you can never recruit the boss of a chapter, just other sympathetic folks with portraits (disproven by RD Oliver which is one of the few which did completely surprise me).

Linus definitely comes off way differently. IMO the contrast adds to the effect, at least if you get Linus CoD first and Lloyd CoD second. It starts to seem like "oh, you did good and got the canon path, now you can recruit Lloyd." Considering the nonsense you have to do to get Karla and fight Kishuna and so forth in FE7, it's believable!

xp1337 posted...
I was originally going to nominate Lloyd but I stopped and thought "Now that I'm thinking about it Lloyd isn't quite as good as I always thought" and passed the slot to someone else. Still think this may be a bit low though.

It's possible. I think not being playable, even in a bonus dungeon or whatever, hurts him a little (compare: Valter, who isn't ranked yet??)
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08/10/18 12:58:48 PM
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Kenri posted...
Considering the nonsense you have to do to get Karla and fight Kishuna and so forth in FE7, it's believable!

The Chapter 19xx requirements are still crazy.
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08/10/18 1:08:03 PM
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69. Virion (Awakening)

Ugh, how did Virion get this high? Virion is obnoxious as fuck; he's an arrogant, flirtatious, purple-prosed twit (and, even worse, an archer). Then you play further and get some supports and find out that Virion is Valmese nobility and an extremely good strategist, like outplaying Robin on multiple occasions. Virion pretends he's an annoying idiot, and it works really well -- I almost believed he actually was one!

Also when and how did this guy become a Shepherd? Does anyone know? In his introductory chapter, or like ???

68. Chrom (Awakening)

Goodguy McProtag here is like the platonic ideal of a FE lord -- imagine Ike or Marth with all the most interesting edges rounded off. Despite being generic main character as fuck, Chrom has a few cool sides to his character, mostly in terms of contrast with others (his father who we only learn about in backstory, Emmeryn, Walhart, etc). He has a more massive inferiority complex compared to Emmeryn and Robin than you might imagine, particularly the former, since she's self-sacrificing and a force for good and Chrom mainly just hits bandits with sharp objects.

67. Duessel (8)

Cool Grado Dad is one of the Ephraim route exclusive characters, which makes sense since he has more of a history with Ephraim (like Roy and Cecilia, Ephraim studied under Duessel). Duessel's honestly one of the smarter and more sensible enemy commanders in the whole series: he knows a sinking ship when he sees one, so he's barely difficult to recruit at all.

Here's hoping Brave Ephraim in Heroes will be modeled after Duessel and not Fado.

66. Erk (7)

Erk is pretty much exactly how I want comic relief characters to be -- he has plenty of serious moments, but what everyone remembers is just him snarking at Serra. It's great, though Serra gets the better side of it.

In terms of Erk as a unit, he's the early game mage so you know exactly what to expect. You don't get a ton of magic users in FE7 but they're all worth using so it's really just a matter of preference!

65. Kent (7)

Okay lowkey though? Kent is one of the best husbandos in the series, which is Unfortunate because his best pairing is with Lyn and he isn't beating the competition Florina there. FE7 remake with Tactician supports when? (this is only half serious i know they'd be terrible)

Kent isn't as good of a unit as Sain, which is to say he isn't the best character in FE7, but he's still hella good, mostly because he supports Sain.

64. Morgan(F) (Awakening)

Unlike M!Morgan, who is a sweet, innocent child, F!Morgan is a horrible little goblin of a child and it's fantastic. Everyone's nonsense just bounces off of her and no one has any idea how to handle her own nonsense. She also has a darker side where she's desperately trying to get her memories back and one of her methods is bashing her head on something until she passes out, with the implication being that it'll either work or at least she'll die but that's sad so let's not think about it.

"Ha ha! You're shy! You are SO shy! I bet really shy people hold their convention in your tent. That's how shy YOU are!"

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-A teal-haired fan favorite!
-A character playable in multiple games!
-A staff user!
-A recruitable enemy!
-A character with an accent!
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