Board 8 > If every able-bodied, law-abiding adult in the U.S. was armed with a gun

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CaptainOfCrush
05/18/18 3:15:09 PM
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If every able-bodied, law-abiding adult in the U.S. was legally armed with a gun whenever out in public - Results (43 votes)
We would have fewer violent deaths in the U.S.
13.95% (6 votes)
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We would have more violent deaths in the U.S.
86.05% (37 votes)
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Let's see what the board thinks about a correlation between legal, law-abiding gun ownership and violence.
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05/18/18 3:17:14 PM
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SantaRPidgey
05/18/18 3:22:08 PM
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Fewer violent deaths, most data points to this

Much much much more suicide and gun accident deaths.
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crazygamer999
05/18/18 3:23:02 PM
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Just because everyone could legally own a gun,doesn't mean people wouldn't be stupid with one.

If they needed training before said gun ownership however... I'd be more inclined to the former choice.
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Lopen
05/18/18 3:23:26 PM
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I don't even necessarily think there'd be more like, malicious shootings. Those might even go down. Like the idea that criminals are less likely to do stuff if any potential victims are armed actually makes some sense.

But a bunch of people, I would say maybe even more than not, are too unstable emotionally to be toting a gun. Panic shootings (and suicides) go way the hell up, overshadowing any reduction in malicious crimes several times over.
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banananor
05/18/18 3:24:45 PM
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wait, but if they used the gun inappropriately, they'd immediately no longer become law-abiding

in that case would time be reversed and the gun/crime erased, or would the gun just disappear from their hands
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TomNook
05/18/18 3:27:34 PM
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banananor posted...
wait, but if they used the gun inappropriately, they'd immediately no longer become law-abiding

in that case would time be reversed and the gun/crime erased, or would the gun just disappear from their hands

They would still be a law-abiding citizen, it would just now be legal to do what they just did.
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guffguy89
05/18/18 3:33:30 PM
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how does an unfeasible hypothetical prove anything?
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Zachnorn
05/18/18 3:40:00 PM
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TomNook posted...
banananor posted...
wait, but if they used the gun inappropriately, they'd immediately no longer become law-abiding

in that case would time be reversed and the gun/crime erased, or would the gun just disappear from their hands

They would still be a law-abiding citizen, it would just now be legal to do what they just did.

And then suddenly, all gun-related crimes are legal.
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scarletspeed7
05/18/18 3:42:31 PM
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What if I brought a knife to school then?
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KujikawaRising
05/18/18 4:04:40 PM
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Provided this data includes suicides, self-defense, and accidents, then it would increase drastically.
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foolm0r0n
05/18/18 4:55:51 PM
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Define able bodied and law abiding
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foolm0r0n
05/18/18 4:56:26 PM
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TomNook posted...
They would still be a law-abiding citizen, it would just now be legal to do what they just did.

Now that's what I'm talking about
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neonreaper
05/18/18 7:23:28 PM
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SantaRPidgey posted...
Fewer violent deaths, most data points to this

Much much much more suicide and gun accident deaths.


What kind of data?
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pjbasis
05/18/18 7:26:38 PM
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30% reduction in the amount of Americans in six months
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FlyingForever
05/18/18 7:44:30 PM
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Rest of the civilized world? Fewer deaths.

Us citizens? More deaths. Yall are animals
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Zachnorn
05/18/18 7:51:03 PM
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FlyingForever posted...
Rest of the civilized world? Fewer deaths.

Us citizens? More deaths. Yall are animals

what if we gave guns to all able-bodied law-abiding citizens except for furries and otherkin then
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Underleveled
05/18/18 7:52:20 PM
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What if we added "sound-minded" in there?
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v_charon
05/18/18 7:55:22 PM
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Underleveled posted...
What if we added "sound-minded" in there?


Things change. People change. It's already too easy for crazy people to get guns; we don't need to help them out any more than we already do.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/18/18 7:58:35 PM
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ok who the hell is flyingforever?
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v_charon
05/18/18 7:58:43 PM
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neonreaper posted...
SantaRPidgey posted...
Fewer violent deaths, most data points to this

Much much much more suicide and gun accident deaths.


What kind of data?


Someone call Vlado over to post a link to some fanatical right website.
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KokoroAkechi
05/18/18 8:03:40 PM
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I used to work at a Walmart and one of my coworkers said that he thought they should arm teachers with guns in schools. I asked him if he thought the average person could handle a gun in a dire situation correctly, or without collateral damage. He said yes.

I said no and when asked why I said I work at Walmart. Ive seen how dumb people are
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lordloki12
05/18/18 9:04:13 PM
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Think about every Walmart, Starbucks, fast food, or road rage argument you have seen cell phone video of posted online. Now add a gun.
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Dark Young Link
05/18/18 9:49:48 PM
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Law abiding doesn't mean you're not a complete dumbass.

Unfortunately quite a few people in this country fall under that, and a lot of deaths are caused by someone being stupid.
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Underleveled
05/18/18 10:16:05 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
KujikawaRising posted...
Provided this data includes suicides, self-defense, and accidents, then it would increase drastically.

Suicide and gang violence shouldnt be included in such stats. The former will just find a different way and the latter will have guns anyway.

Gangs, absolutely true. I don't exactly think they'd fall under the "law abiding citizen" category anyway, so this theoretical situation shouldn't affect gang violence whatsoever.

As for the suicide thing, I think it would definitely increase drastically. To say that they would just "find a different way," most other methods take some degree of planning. If you place a gun in a potentially suicidal person's hand, then any time they have an episode it is that much more tempting to just put a bullet in their head right then and there. Maybe it shouldn't be included as a "violent crime," but it's something that should be considered, hence why I suggested adding "sound-minded" to the hypothetical prerequisites.
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