Board 8 > Fire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 15: Ode to the Fallen(Heroes)

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So I finally decided to check the new upgrades. I don't understand what Eirika's does... and Leo...

Wait what the fuck Leo? They added Great Flame's ability on him but he doesn't have a spectacular Def... Well, you probably have two ways to build him. DD/QR/?, +Def/-Spd, Ability effect... Or +Res or HP/-Spd, Only QR matters? Maybe Steady Breath or something and +Res Brynhildr maybe? It's weird.
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Got Chrom (+ATK/-DEF, not bad) off the free draw. I'm on a roll.

Of course I ruined it by drawing the whole set since it was 4/5 red/blues and that was my intent going in, but you know, I'm not gonna complain at all. Maybe I'll actually make a passable horse team now.
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Steady breath isn't available for cavalry. Leo probably wants QR and distant defense.

Eirika grants herself in combat bonuses equivalent to nearby ally's buffs. So, base kit Eirika will grant 4 atk and 4 speed to an ally at the beginning of the turn. If she fights within two spaces of that ally she gets 4 atk and speed during combat similar to spur effects. She can get her stats honed or fortified on top of that.

And the buffs she steals don't have to be ones she grants. If a flying ally is being granted 6 atk/Spd by another flier, Eirika can take that too.
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It's nice Blessed Gardens gives generous rewards, but I have no idea what to do with my Wind Blessings. I don't have Gunnthra, so my blessed characters don't get any stat boosts. I'll have to try to build a diverse team out of the blessings
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My +9 eirika rocks
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Leo still crying. They couldn't even give him Gravity+ like I thought they would
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I have Gunnthra and I still don't know who I want to give wind blessings to.
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After 150 orbs of failing to get Grima or Legendary Ike, I did a random full pull on the new banner and got both Chrom and Male Morgan. Sure, why not.
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^RNG be like "I don't have to explain shit!"
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Why not give the wind blessing to your cavalry team to pair with Gunnthra? Or you can pair with debuffers like Lute or Arvis if you have them.

They've given out so many blessings now that I might just give a set of wind, fire, and earth out to three of my most frequently used teams.
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Hrm...

Gunnthra
Reinhardt
Brave Lyn....

I just realized my Cain is +Atk/-Hp

Why haven't I been using him? Huh...

Or maybe I should just slap Elise on there since she really benefits from the +Res boost.

(Yes I don't have a 5* Xander or Camus)
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I just distributed the fire, earth, and wind blessing among two cavalry teams and a flying team. I still have 30 total blessings left over, so I don't think we need to be stingy with them anymore.
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I got pitybroke by a 4th sanaki

At least she doesnt have shit ivs....+atk -hp or whatever
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You just pulled ahead of me. She's been my most common pity breaker appearing three times.
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lol, first time I lost because of Harsh Command.

Went on the last Earth Blessing Level and took out Lukas, expecting to tank the dagger because he was too slow to double with the debuff.

I suppose there are far worse ways of being trolled by Clair.
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Grimmer posted...

Steady breath isn't available for cavalry. Leo probably wants QR and distant defense.

I said that off the top of my mind and finally realized I was thinking about Sturdy Stance. Cavs can't use the Breaths, and it's not like I was thinking of having him use a long special with his build, I was legitimately thinking about the Stances (even when I was mentioning his build I meant to say Warding Breath, while meaning Warding Stance... since without the effect/def boon he would rather tank a mage, not archers, so Steady wouldn't be proper). Still not as good as DD, but just a thought, in case Stances drop down to 4* and DD continues to only have 5* inheritance.
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I got pity broken by Oscar of all people.

Been clearing backlog of Hard/Lunatic story to get orbs to continue blue sniping.
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Arena really starting to piss me off.

Starting to see dancers again. One with a freaking +7 Ayra or some shit(Yes someone died) and Winter Tharja on a map that had no choke points.

Nowi/Fae memeing it up on defense tiles and Quick Riposte..

I may have to get a new arena offense team. The struggle is a bit too real right now.
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What's your arena core? I haven't noticed arena being any more difficult lately but scores tend to be lower.



Arena bonus units. I've got Hinoka and Kagero this time. Hinoka should do great this rotation with the built in guidance.

Free summon was Hinata. Always acceptable
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I have every bonus unit except the 3 banner units, I just don't ever use any of them since they're mostly specialized counter-units or just kinda meh. Not sure if I'll just splash one into my Armor comp and keep running it (even though none of them are great in it), or if I'll just go Horses and suck up the trash arena score.
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Oh wait, I also have Xander. Still running Hinoka though.

I think the easy solution is guidance seal Hinoka for armor team maneuverability
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Hinoka's refine is only for Flying and Infantry, no armor =/ I don't know if I want to spend my 200 Dew on my Hinoka that way either, even at +1 and assuming she's got her Spear buff active, she's at 55/37 offenses which is okay but not super amazing, and her defenses are awful, which is my flier emblem's bigger weakness. Plus, it means kicking out my Myrrh and leaving me with only Airzura for Green, or kicking out my Palla and making me super vulnerable to Greens. Not to mention support-wise being a bit redundant with my Airzura/S!Corrin Flier core.

Granted, I don't know what else I want to use the Dew on; I have an okay Soren, a good Eirika and a good Raven, and then a -Atk +Res trash Alm, none of which I'm sure I want to invest in, but there's no harm in saving it anyway.
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I was proposing the seal instead of the refinement. The seal benefits infantry and armor.

I branched Hinoka into my second flier team. Azura and Corrin don't need her.

Hinoka/Nowi/Spring Camilla/Elincia
Myrrh/Azura/Corrin/Ny Camilla

Hinoka is actually really strong here. I have speed boon, so she's always at 50 spd 66 atk minimum, and potentially more if she is benefiting from goad or ally support. All while giving extra range to the teammates
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Micaiah, Sanaki, and PA Azura took care of Old Man Zeph Infernal, with Fjorm there to clean up Zeph. Micaiah can actually take on the whole map if she had Close Counter since she won't survive if she initiates on Zeph

<3 my RD goddesses

As for TT, this is the first time the free unit is a 40% unit IIRC. I can continue saving orbs as I'll just use the 20% until I get Gerome and then put him on the team. This will be another TT where I probably won't be using Nino, but it'll depend on Gerome's set. Planning on Olivia, Donnel, Cherche, and Delthea until I get Gerome. Will be a good way for me to grind HM for all of them
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Ah yeah that makes more sense, I'd definitely do a Hinoka/Nowi pairing if I'm able to finally get H!Nowi on whatever Legendary banner she pops up on next.

Super glad the TT bonus is free too, because I did not want to pull on this banner. It'll be my first TT not having a 40% from the start, but I can get by with my Olivia and Cherche until I pick up at least the 4* Gerome.
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Dark Young Link posted...

lol, first time I lost because of Harsh Command.

Went on the last Earth Blessing Level and took out Lukas, expecting to tank the dagger because he was too slow to double with the debuff.

I suppose there are far worse ways of being trolled by Clair.

Same <_<
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Why did I say "Earth" Blessing when I meant Wind? I need to train up Ike this Friday(He's spared from being foddered to Grima... for now).

Grimmer posted...

What's your arena core?

Nino, Black Knight, Valter

Those(Along with Performing Azura bonus) was the first team that got me into tier 20. I'm considering replacing the latter two with Ephriam and Lloyd, though losing BK's BST would hurt my score. I know having a mage hurts my score as well but... favorites and all that.
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I suppose my main issues is that most of my really "viable" units are either 5* exclusives(Thus, making it difficult to merge), units that aren't in the summoning pool, or overlaps a color which really doesn't help me(Grima is strong, but he really doesn't help me kill things Nino herself doesn't kill most of the time)

I should probably start giving Fjorm more supportive skills now that Nino is water blessed. Though honestly all I really want to do with her is replace Reposition with a dual Rally and give her a buffing seal. Maybe I'll give her the rumored Defense Tactic seal if that happens to be true.
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Tactic skills include the user when doing the conditional requirement.

I've said this before, but every unit is arena viable. Merges matter more than tier list placements. My team of Felicia/Lon'qu/Donnel/Sheena has kept me in Tier 20 for this entire Arena season. That's coming to an end though, the new bonus unit set doesn't work for me.
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Hrm.

So Nino and Fjorm would be the two infantry then.

Flying wouldn't break the skill would it(It looks at unit type, rather than strictly "This unit moves 2 spaces")?

I often run a mixed team anyway, so it shouldn't be too difficult.

And yeah I get that pretty much any unit(I wouldn't try with Odin :P) can be good in the arena. It's available merges +team synergy I'm mostly concerned about.

Actually I wonder how much a 4+10 Olivia is worth in the arena? I sure wouldn't mind having a dancer on my team again if it meant she wouldn't drag my score down to unsalvageable levels
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It's movement 'type', so flying is considered different from infantry.

I believe that a 4*+10 is strong than a 5*, but in general I think it's better just to build for the long term. Have to start somewhere!
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According to this calculator, a 4*+10 is equivalent to 5* +5.

I would start making note of which units are giving you trouble in the arena to narrow down the list of who can cover Nino's bases with them. Nowadays, arena runs aren't much trouble for me.

Tactics skills are nice, but you'd have to work it such that only one of your arena core members are infantry since your bonus unit is more likely to be that. If the defense tactic seal is legitimate, a firesweep Cordelia with both defense tactics would be a great teammate for Nino that you can merge.

http://www.arcticsilverfox.com/score_calc/
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Fuck this game sometimes.
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Took nearly 130 orbs to get Hector to feed to Myrrh. Managed one more Fae too. Back to saving
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Took me 110 orbs to get combo broken by a +Spd/-Def Ike. Sucks I wanted a Hector but I guess I may have use for Heavy Blade on someone.
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I was afraid of that too, and started pulling blue when no green was available.
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This Ike has been powercrept so badly... He exists as HB fodder, but I am still keeping my -Atk one because it's Ike
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I don't think he is even good as HB fodder. Giving up an a slot for that is too expensive, and the seal is much preferred
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I have multiple units who want the HB seal, but it's true the A-slot is usually reserved for something else. Wish it were a C-slot skill since I always have trouble picking what to put there
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130 orbs to get my Hector this morning too, so that I could feed my Myrrh... Pulling Blues to avoid pity breakers was definitely the play for once.
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Heavy Blade is a bad A skill because it competes with A skills which boost Atk, the exact thing Heavy Blade needs to perform.

When I inevitably fodder my Ike away, it'll be for Swordbreaker 3 and possibly Aether.
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Azp2k32 posted...

Pulling Blues to avoid pity breakers was definitely the play for once.

Is this actually proven to work when that's not the focus color, though?
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It isn't proven but it should work based on how the summoning generation system is described. You very slightly harm your average number of 5* units per Orb in exchange for a very slight decrease in the average number of Orbs needs to get your target character. It's a tiny factor whichever one you choose.
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Did an IV census of my *5 units. Excluded healers, units who are inherently neutral (TT and free units), and anyone that was a *4 who was raised up. I have some 5* exclusives who are merged, but I could generally remember what most of the original IVs were (looking at you, -Atk Brave Lyn that I was thankfully able to overwrite).

+HP - 11
+Atk - 10
+Spd - 13
+Def - 6
+Res - 5

-HP - 7
-Atk - 12
-Spd - 8
-Def - 8
-Res - 10

Neutral - 1

It's exactly what I expected. The rise in -Atk units has happened fairly recently, actually. Here's my last fourteen 5* summons:

Spring Lucina: +Spd, -Atk
Zelgius: +Res, -Spd
Vanguard Ike: +Atk, -Spd
Sanaki: +HP, -Def
Another Sanaki: +HP, -Atk
Camilla: +Res, -Def
Athena: +Spd, -Atk
Valentine Lyn: +Spd, -Atk
Minvera: +Spd, -HP
Valentine Lilina: +HP, -Atk
Mia: +Atk, -Def
Male Morgan: +Spd, -Def
Exalt Chrom: +Def, -Atk
L'arachel: +Res, -Atk

50% of them have -Atk as an IV. -Atk used to be one of my least common banes. Did I step over an ancient Indian burial ground or something?
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Damn, I had a pretty bad streak of pulling nothing but +Spd/-Atk Brave Lancers, but that's a LOT of bad attack IVs. Pretty potential neutering for the Lucina, Sanaki, Athena, Lyn, Lilina, Chrom, and L'Arachel. Though I mean, ain't like you're seriously gonna be trying to use half those units anyway. And Lyn you can at least run as a speedy Blade Tome user since +Spd is actually pretty good on her, and you won't even notice the attack loss with all the buffs. Sucks if you didn't want to use that build though.
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Your understanding is correct. Just to give you an idea how big the effect is:

Green, Red, Colourless, Blue
Orb Budget = 130 Orbs
Iterations = 100000
Success Rate = 68.84%
Average Number of Five Stars = 2.28

Green, Blue, Red, Colourless
Orb Budget = 130 Orbs
Iterations = 100000
Success Rate = 69.18%
Average Number of Five Stars = 2.05

In both cases you pull all Green Orbs. If you are forced to, you pull one non-Orb giving priority to the colour further to the left.

In the first case you have an 68.84% chance to get at least one Hector in 130 Orbs and you'll average 2.28 5*s over 130 Orbs.

In the second case you have an 69.18% chance to get at least one Hector in 130 Orbs and you'll average 2.05 5*s over 130 Orbs.
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Thanks for the info, TRE! This is helpful if you are just gunning for one focus and nothing else
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Any guess on who these are?


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Felicia on the right. not sure about the left.
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The hair on the one on the right really looks like Sophie's.
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