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SupremeZero
08/09/17 3:38:08 PM
#201:


Kenri posted...
*carrying goalposts* if they don't want a full repeal they're not a republican

You put those down, young person!
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red sox 777
08/09/17 3:41:29 PM
#202:


By imperial decree the goalposts shall be moved 10 yards closer to the center of the field, to increase scoring.
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Kenri
08/09/17 3:47:23 PM
#203:


red sox 777 posted...
By imperial decree the goalposts shall be moved 10 yards closer to the center of the field, to increase scoring.

*whispering* Mr Trump, this is golf
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charmander6000
08/09/17 3:50:33 PM
#204:


Wasn't support for a full repeal down to the low teens? So unless you want to say 0% of Democrats and Independents support the repeal then it's safe to say that most Republicans are against the repeal.
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Corrik
08/09/17 3:50:37 PM
#205:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
red sox 777 posted...
They did have a plan. Straight repeal.

To be fair, their plans before straight repeal was garbage. Republicans want a full repeal, not the garbage they were peddling.


Source?

Ah, I don't have a source. Just know what I and those in my area wanted and just going by the overwhelmibg support I have seen in polls before for obamacare to be repealed by republicans. Possible it has changed since then but definitely not to me and others in my area.
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Peace___Frog
08/09/17 3:53:17 PM
#206:


Corrik posted...
Possible it has changed since then

"Possible"? My man, it is all but guaranteed to have changed
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Corrik
08/09/17 3:54:30 PM
#207:


Peace___Frog posted...
Corrik posted...
Possible it has changed since then

"Possible"? My man, it is all but guaranteed to have changed

Fair enough. Not ti me. If it has changed I assume the dumb plans Republicans trotted through congress was likely a big factor fr eroding its support.
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red sox 777
08/09/17 3:57:50 PM
#208:


Republicans messed up in letting Democrats control the narrative. Should have pushed straight repeal from the start.
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charmander6000
08/09/17 4:39:58 PM
#209:


red sox 777 posted...
Republicans messed up in letting Democrats control the narrative. Should have pushed straight repeal from the start.


I still think they would have failed, no Democrat would ever vote for a straight repeal and I doubt 50/52 Republican senators would have voted for it. There's a reason why they were more inclined to go the repeal and replace route.
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kevwaffles
08/09/17 4:53:18 PM
#210:


In the alternate universe where either Obamacare didn't get rid of pre-existing conditions or they never were thought up beforehand, full repeal probably could have passed. No one that isn't a complete degenerate wants to go back to that, though.
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Wanglicious
08/09/17 5:05:30 PM
#211:


oh man.
ACLU's picked a doozy of a fourth case.

long story short, they're suing the DC Metro over their not putting up 4 ads. well, 3. the last one they put up then took down later for the same reason as the others.

that's also the case causing a lot of people to understand that the ACLU truly does value free speech and they don't.

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-sues-dc-metro-over-rejection-first-amendment-ad

it's Milo.
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Suprak the Stud
08/09/17 5:21:57 PM
#212:


Wanglicious posted...
oh man.
ACLU's picked a doozy of a fourth case.

long story short, they're suing the DC Metro over their not putting up 4 ads. well, 3. the last one they put up then took down later for the same reason as the others.

that's also the case causing a lot of people to understand that the ACLU truly does value free speech and they don't.

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-sues-dc-metro-over-rejection-first-amendment-ad

it's Milo.


Good guy ACLU doing work for free speech.

I don't know what brand of liberalism they are closest too, but it is likely where I identify most with as well.
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Kenri
08/09/17 5:40:37 PM
#213:


so does the DC Metro charge for advertisements or is it pretty much just suggest one and then sue them if they don't put it up?
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LordoftheMorons
08/09/17 6:58:33 PM
#214:


https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/895415511026028544

Wow, what a solid foundation for policy
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Jakyl25
08/09/17 7:12:04 PM
#215:


As far as I know, the ACLU has always defended free speech even by people who have abused speech in other instances to attack someone

Shouldn't come as a surprise
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Wanglicious
08/09/17 7:15:22 PM
#216:


it's not a surprise if you know their work. a lot of people don't and just think of them as a strong anti-trump arm so they're surprised to see that's not really what they are at all.
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Suprak the Stud
08/09/17 7:18:02 PM
#217:


Wanglicious posted...
it's not a surprise if you know their work. a lot of people don't and just think of them as a strong anti-trump arm so they're surprised to see that's not really what they are at all.


Those people are just wrong though. I feel like they've been consistent throughout their history.
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redrocket_pub
08/09/17 7:18:02 PM
#218:


Wanglicious posted...
a lot of people don't and just think of them as a strong anti-trump arm so.


How can anyone over the age of ten think this is what the ACLU is??
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Shaduln
08/09/17 7:21:02 PM
#219:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/895415511026028544

Wow, what a solid foundation for policy

I...uh...boy...
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xp1337
08/09/17 7:25:27 PM
#220:


redrocket_pub posted...
Wanglicious posted...
a lot of people don't and just think of them as a strong anti-trump arm so.


How can anyone over the age of ten think this is what the ACLU is??

Well, I remember way back when "card carrying ACLU member" was meant as an insult from the right to liberals. The only problem would be that I haven't heard that in probably over a decade, and that if that was the basis you were using it very clearly predates Trump sooooo.

Basically, I've seen the right complain vocally and attack the ACLU when it's against them, but honestly I don't see the reverse from the left so it's not too implausible to me that someone not well informed would think they're a left-wing group.
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Jakyl25
08/09/17 7:28:15 PM
#221:


A lot of big ACLU fights recently have been on the side of transgender rights, because those have been the civil liberties most under attack as of late. That could skew perspective by outsiders
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Wanglicious
08/09/17 7:49:02 PM
#222:


that and they were THE unit group who were against Trump's travel ban and got a lot of donations from that work too.
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redrocket_pub
08/09/17 7:51:59 PM
#223:


Wanglicious posted...
that and they were THE unit group who were against Trump's travel ban and got a lot of donations from that work too.


I mean yes, but...

You are implying that a non-trivial number of adults think they were invented to counter Trump.

...just no.
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xp1337
08/09/17 7:52:43 PM
#224:


Still have a tough time believing there's a large subset of people who only know of the ACLU from that.

The only group that would match that would be people who thought politics started in 2016.
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redrocket_pub
08/09/17 7:53:14 PM
#225:


xp1337 posted...
Still have a tough time believing there's a large subset of people who only know of the ACLU from that.

The only group that would match that would be people who thought politics started in 2016.


Thank you.

Jesus.
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Wanglicious
08/09/17 7:55:05 PM
#226:


not invented to do that, just that it's what their main function is or that they're ideologically firmly in the same place the anti-trump people are.
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SupremeZero
08/09/17 8:04:19 PM
#227:


People are stupid. News never.
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ChaosTonyV4
08/09/17 8:21:51 PM
#228:


Wanglicious posted...
not invented to do that, just that it's what their main function is or that they're ideologically firmly in the same place the anti-trump people are.


Ok but who is dumb enough to think all anti-trump people are in the same ideological place?
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MenuWars
08/09/17 8:28:49 PM
#229:


tagging simply for topic title.
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Skyridge87
08/09/17 9:30:23 PM
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Kenri
08/09/17 9:31:49 PM
#231:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Ok but who is dumb enough to think all anti-trump people are in the same ideological place?

pro-trump people
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BowserCuffs
08/09/17 10:06:29 PM
#232:


Most of the people who believed that the ACLU is anti-conservative were, themselves, conservatives who felt slighted by the ACLU telling them to behave.

Just like most of the people who believe that Snopes is anti-conservative simply because Snopes exposed some of their bullshit.

They conveniently ignored the fact that the ACLU acts against liberals that stifle free speech, or Snopes exposes liberal lies, too.

Though I suppose the bitter pill for them is that they often believe that liberals *always* lie and are *always* about stifling conservative's free speech, so any decisions to the latter are seen as being pro-liberal.
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LordoftheMorons
08/09/17 10:15:49 PM
#233:


What the fuck, Texas?

https://www.reuters.com/article/texas-abortion-idUSL1N1KV1YV
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TheRock1525
08/09/17 10:22:52 PM
#234:


LordoftheMorons posted...
What the fuck, Texas?

https://www.reuters.com/article/texas-abortion-idUSL1N1KV1YV


Show of hands if you're surprised.
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FFDragon
08/09/17 10:53:07 PM
#235:


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/474719268819308544

one

for

everything
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Corrik
08/09/17 11:01:25 PM
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Kenri
08/09/17 11:06:18 PM
#237:


France has standards so it's not surprising that a shitty centrist like Macron is getting rightfully skewered.

Also that article is crap, please never link to Fox News seriously ever again.
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Shaduln
08/09/17 11:11:55 PM
#238:


Corrik posted...
Any thoughts on this?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/09/suddenly-less-popular-than-trump-frances-macron-gets-schooled.html

My thoughts are questions if fox mentions Trump and Melania's age difference every time they mention the two of them in an article together.
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TheRock1525
08/09/17 11:14:56 PM
#239:


France somehow had a worse choice than America for their election but at least they didn't elect the racist.
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LordoftheMorons
08/09/17 11:18:57 PM
#240:


I would be curious to know typical French presidential approval ratings; I imagine they might be lower than in America due to our two party system.

In any case it doesn't really have any bearing on how terrible Trump's approval rating is compared to past American presidents at this point in their terms.
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Eddv
08/09/17 11:23:38 PM
#241:


Holy shit the bias is strong in that one.

Anyway the French strongly STRONGLY object to their democratic leaders taking on regal airs.

Between that and making a public display of friendship to Trump was bound to put Macron into the penalty box.
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Inviso
08/09/17 11:26:52 PM
#242:


What is Donald Trump's popularity in France?
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SupremeZero
08/09/17 11:31:40 PM
#243:


Inviso posted...
What is Donald Trump's popularity in France?

Less than here. Like, 20%.
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GuessMyUserName
08/10/17 12:08:09 AM
#244:


Corrik posted...
Any thoughts on this?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/09/suddenly-less-popular-than-trump-frances-macron-gets-schooled.html

a hilarious amount of spin

all it shows is that the people of France won't put up with the same shit Americans will
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MoogleKupo141
08/10/17 12:19:49 AM
#245:


The two met when Macron was a high school student and she was his teacher. Hmmm.


leave your hmmms out of journalism
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Skyridge87
08/10/17 12:20:07 AM
#246:


I'm surprised no one's commented on the Trump chicken
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LapisLazuli
08/10/17 12:21:26 AM
#247:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
The two met when Macron was a high school student and she was his teacher. Hmmm.


leave your hmmms out of journalism


Journalism

Fox News
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Shaduln
08/10/17 12:23:04 AM
#248:


Skyridge87 posted...
I'm surprised no one's commented on the Trump chicken

Sorry I'd already seen it and "eh".
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MrGreenonion
08/10/17 12:36:29 AM
#249:


Skyridge87 posted...
I'm surprised no one's commented on the Trump chicken

https://twitter.com/FattMernandez/status/895421900746145792

There's really nothing left to say
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TheRock1525
08/10/17 12:39:03 AM
#250:


A new series from the creators of Trump criticizing Trump.

Jill Stein is a Tool.

fyTRYEf
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