Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 120: A Nationally Lampooned Vacation

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Jakyl25
08/08/17 6:38:22 PM
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charmander6000
08/08/17 6:39:18 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
What good could come from decriminalizing hard, addictive drugs

charmander6000 posted...
Treatment options for those who are addicted, safer drugs for those that use, a loss of revenue for gangs...

Corrik posted...
It never works that way. No matter how much you want it to.


What won’t work? There have been studies for treatment options using illegal drugs (NAOMI was a big one from a while ago) that can’t be done (because they’re still illegal), with proper safety standards drugs would be safer (you’ll get heroin instead of it laced with fentanyl) and competing with the government and other businesses would obviously mean gangs will get a smaller share of the revenue.
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ChaosTonyV4
08/08/17 6:41:41 PM
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President Trump just threatened North Korea with "Fire, fury, and frankly, power, the likes of which this world has never seen before."

...Vlado??
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charmander6000
08/08/17 6:42:55 PM
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Should have called the topic "Korean Missile Crisis"
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Mr Lasastryke
08/08/17 6:43:04 PM
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Well, I have said nothing but relatively common conservative viewpoints in this topic and you have called me a troll just because it isn't your viewpoint.


when people challenged your opinions, you called them "liars" several times. that probably didn't generate much goodwill towards you.
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LordoftheMorons
08/08/17 6:47:50 PM
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charmander6000 posted...
Should have called the topic "Korean Missile Crisis"

I made that joke last topic...!

Anyway, yeah, I am becoming legitimately worried about conflict with North Korea. We're dealing with two people in Trump and Kim (especially Trump) that are ambiguously signaling about what they're willing to do, which is the perfect recipe for somebody miscalculating and starting a war.
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Jakyl25
08/08/17 6:53:57 PM
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I support the death penalty in theory. Not for all murderers, or even most. It should be exceedingly rare, but exist.

If time served and multiple mental health professionals deem them a lost cause for ever understanding remorse or working towards making something positive of themselves behind bars, it's more humane to just put them down IMO.
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Mr Lasastryke
08/08/17 6:55:32 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
I support the death penalty in theory. Not for all murderers, or even most. It should be exceedingly rare, but exist.

If time served and multiple mental health professionals deem them a lost cause for ever understanding remorse or working towards making something positive of themselves behind bars, it's more humane to just put them down IMO.


yeah, this is my take on it. some people forget that keeping prisoners alive can be more inhumane than killing them.
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xp1337
08/08/17 6:56:35 PM
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*reads the last 150 or so posts*

well that was something.

I suppose I'm not particularly surprised that there was an argument made for playing judge, jury, and executioner with people's lives in cases where you may often lack any context or information but uh... yikes.
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ChaosTonyV4
08/08/17 6:58:40 PM
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I support the Death Penalty for serial litterers.
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xp1337
08/08/17 7:01:31 PM
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I don't support the Death Penalty, but then I also generally believe that Life Without Parole is a "harsher" sentence anyway, so to me you're just introducing a penalty from which there's no recourse if you get it wrong. Which you will, because people aren't perfect. To me, it only exists as revenge which shouldn't be what the justice system is about.
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LapisLazuli
08/08/17 7:04:02 PM
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Corrik, it has nothing to do with you being Conservative, and everything to do with you calling all who oppose you "liars". You regulay claim any anecdotal story is made up, call all opposing evidence false, and whenever proven wrong definitively you just respond with "nope".

You are not someone who can be properly conversed with.
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Jakyl25
08/08/17 7:04:58 PM
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Here's a question:

Should those sentenced to life without parole be able to REQUEST death instead?

I mean we still have major issues with doctor-assisted suicide for the terminally ill, so this isn't a threat to happen anytime soon, but I just thought of it.
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Kenri
08/08/17 7:08:10 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Should those sentenced to life without parole be able to REQUEST death instead?

Gonna say yes in theory, but in practice our prison system can't be trusted with something like that. Not sure if any can.
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Reg
08/08/17 7:08:27 PM
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xp1337 posted...
I don't support the Death Penalty, but then I also generally believe that Life Without Parole is a "harsher" sentence anyway, so to me you're just introducing a penalty from which there's no recourse if you get it wrong. Which you will, because people aren't perfect. To me, it only exists as revenge which shouldn't be what the justice system is about.

I agree with literally everything in this post.
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LordoftheMorons
08/08/17 7:09:59 PM
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North Korea says it's considering a missile strike in the vicinity of Guam:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-usa-idUSKBN1AO2L9
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BowserCuffs
08/08/17 7:10:03 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Should those sentenced to life without parole be able to REQUEST death instead?


It makes sense that they should be able to, yeah.

But just like doctor-assisted suicide, it should be faced with a psychiatric evaluation and some investigation to make sure they're not being pressured into making the decision by someone else.
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Jakyl25
08/08/17 7:10:54 PM
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Kenri posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Should those sentenced to life without parole be able to REQUEST death instead?

Gonna say yes in theory, but in practice our prison system can't be trusted with something like that. Not sure if any can.


Yes, and I should add that my support of the death penalty in extreme cases is also in theory
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LordoftheMorons
08/08/17 7:13:58 PM
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Also with "Fire and Fury" Trump is moving even closer to being Aerys Targaryen

I wonder who he's gonna end up burning alive
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SupremeZero
08/08/17 7:15:21 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Also with "Fire and Fury" Trump is moving even closer to being Aerys Targaryen

I wonder who he's gonna end up burning alive

Well, Aerys burned the lord of the north, so I guess Trump'll burn Trudeau.

On the other hand, the lord of the north was in charge of the wall, so maybe he'll be burning Greg Abbott.
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psaltery
08/08/17 7:20:05 PM
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Hope no one has any vacation plans in Guam. Better get out while you can.
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MoogleKupo141
08/08/17 7:25:09 PM
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what's Kim Jong Un's endgame? How does he think he benefits from all of this?
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red sox 777
08/08/17 7:36:29 PM
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I'm not worried about Trump and Kim. They are both masters in the art of making ambiguous and threatening statements to get something, otherwise known as the art of the deal. I'm sure they'll eventually arrive at a deal which allows the two leaders to save face. That won't be war, as at least one of them is sure to lose face if there is a war.
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The Mana Sword
08/08/17 7:37:15 PM
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I think my eyes just rolled all the way in the back of my head
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LordoftheMorons
08/08/17 7:38:10 PM
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MoogleKupo141 posted...
what's Kim Jong Un's endgame? How does he think he benefits from all of this?

He thinks that he can force the world into normalizing relations with NK while ignoring all of their human rights violations because of the threat of nuclear war (which, unfortunately, he may be right about).
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Paratroopa1
08/08/17 7:39:16 PM
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Excellent topic title
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Mr Lasastryke
08/08/17 7:39:19 PM
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i just hope ivanka isn't going to cry because she saw a news report about kim being horrible or something. donald will probably go beserk on NK if that happens.
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red sox 777
08/08/17 7:45:37 PM
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You guys really don't appreciate a good game of 4D chess! I think we need to reform the schools here.....cut something, and have more classes on 4D chess.
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Jakyl25
08/08/17 7:51:55 PM
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LordoftheMorons
08/08/17 7:52:18 PM
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I wouldn't trust Trump with 1D nuclear chutes and ladders
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Jakyl25
08/08/17 7:57:52 PM
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redrocket_pub
08/08/17 7:58:07 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
I present the best tweet about this missile crisis

https://twitter.com/gilbertjasono/status/895050543965642752


Mother of God.
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BowserCuffs
08/08/17 8:01:58 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Don't worry, the alt-right knows how war works

https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/895048512429330434


This is what happens when you learn everything about war from Hollywood...
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My Immortal
08/08/17 8:04:26 PM
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Jakyl25
08/08/17 8:04:32 PM
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Jakyl25
08/08/17 8:17:19 PM
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BowserCuffs
08/08/17 8:20:03 PM
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Quick question:

Can the military say "No, we refuse to obey your order to fire nukes" to Trump?

Or are they forced to listen to this guy's whims?
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Suprak the Stud
08/08/17 8:21:49 PM
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save us mattis
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Jakyl25
08/08/17 8:22:53 PM
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Pretty sure you can't disobey a direct order without being court martialed.

If you think you're being asked to do something illegal, you do it, and file the complaint later.
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LordoftheMorons
08/08/17 8:32:22 PM
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Unfortunately the system was not set up with a fucking moron POTUS in mind
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MrGreenonion
08/08/17 9:07:49 PM
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I thought I heard something about bipartisan legislation preventing Trump from ordering a nuclear first strike?
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Corrik
08/08/17 9:13:10 PM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Well, I have said nothing but relatively common conservative viewpoints in this topic and you have called me a troll just because it isn't your viewpoint.


when people challenged your opinions, you called them "liars" several times. that probably didn't generate much goodwill towards you.

Never happened. I said if the guy was saying full time kmart workers dont get insurance he was lying. He acknowledged full time employees do.
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SupremeZero
08/08/17 9:14:13 PM
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MrGreenonion posted...
I thought I heard something about bipartisan legislation preventing Trump from ordering a nuclear first strike?

Yeah, on Mueller.

(I don't think the bill you're talking about went anywhere. Hasn't come up since may)
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redrocket_pub
08/08/17 9:18:00 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Pretty sure you can't disobey a direct order without being court martialed.

If you think you're being asked to do something illegal, you do it, and file the complaint later.


I mean, if you are being ordered to something really illegal, you are morally obligated to refuse and hope that you are vindicated by the legal process later.
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Reg
08/08/17 9:23:02 PM
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BowserCuffs posted...
Quick question:

Can the military say "No, we refuse to obey your order to fire nukes" to Trump?

Or are they forced to listen to this guy's whims?

AFAIK the Sec.Def (Mattis) can refuse to do it, but Trump can also fire guys down the line until he gets to somebody who will

Other than that, they're 'obligated' to follow through with it yeah.
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LordoftheMorons
08/08/17 9:25:29 PM
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Wonder what Mitch had to give Trump to get this endorsement:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895091395379245056

(Though tbf Strange is probably the least bad of the three GOP candidates)
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Corrik
08/08/17 9:25:37 PM
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Reg posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
Quick question:

Can the military say "No, we refuse to obey your order to fire nukes" to Trump?

Or are they forced to listen to this guy's whims?

AFAIK the Sec.Def (Mattis) can refuse to do it, but Trump can also fire guys down the line until he gets to somebody who will

Other than that, they're 'obligated' to follow through with it yeah.

Prettt sure disobeying an order from the commander in chief is like a crime and you are going to jail.
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LapisLazuli
08/08/17 9:31:26 PM
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I would say any general who disobeys an order from Trump deserves a medal. He's already proven his incompetancy in minor skirmishes.
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Kenri
08/08/17 9:31:52 PM
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Pretty sure this administration has committed a ton of crimes and they're not in jail yet so really who knows.
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LapisLazuli
08/08/17 9:32:28 PM
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Corrik posted...
when people challenged your opinions, you called them "liars" several times. that probably didn't generate much goodwill towards you.

Never happened


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