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Mead posted...

Probably the coolest episode this season so far. I legit got tingles when she flew into battle on her dragon

I imagine that Jamie isn't going to die here but I'm not sure how they can explain him not drowning considering he sank pretty deep into that water, is wearing full armor, and has a gold hand attached to his wrist. There's no way he could swim or be carried back up by one person.

Musta been quite the rock formation too considering he was like 6 feet from the shore.

Also, that fucking Littlefinger and Bran scene...Oh my god. It was perfect from the first line to the last. His face at the end LOL

Also the Theon and John Snow scene :O
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Also are people really complaining about the Ayra and Brienne scene? I haven't liked Arya in a couple years but she great in this episode, and completely understandable how the fight went down. Arya has to be the smallest opponent Brienne has ever faced. And the quickest,l. She was not prepared and her deep but slow lunges do nothing to her. Also her sword is so tiny it just bounces around her big broadsword. It's what any dance master would have done. A bit similar to The mountain vs Oberyn
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FrozenBananas posted...

Also are people really complaining about the Ayra and Brienne scene? I haven't liked Arya in a couple years but she great in this episode, and completely understandable how the fight went down. Arya has to be the smallest opponent Brienne has ever faced. And the quickest,l. She was not prepared and her deep but slow lunges do nothing to her. Also her sword is so tiny it just bounces around her big broadsword. It's what any dance master would have done. A bit similar to The mountain vs Oberyn

They showed they were equals when both actually tried. Arya only won at the start because Brienne thought she was a 'proper lady'. And her slow lunges are what made Arya lose her sword from sheer power.

While it's nice Arya has a training partner who can teach her new moves, as she learns from every teacher, the real student here is Littlefinger and she just gave him an eyeful. Arya's best advantage in combat is that she's seen as a kid playing make-believe. Now Littlefinger knows what she's capable of doing in combat.

Mead posted...

Probably the coolest episode this season so far. I legit got tingles when she flew into battle on her dragon

I imagine that Jamie isn't going to die here but I'm not sure how they can explain him not drowning considering he sank pretty deep into that water, is wearing full armor, and has a gold hand attached to his wrist. There's no way he could swim or be carried back up by one person.

Bronn is 100% going to just drag him out of the water. Bronn doesn't believe in wearing armor, so he can swim freely.

Also are people really complaining about the Arya and Brienne scene?

It was badass, but it was obviously impractical. Arya is 5'0 and 90lbs on a good day, and is wielding basically Baby's First Rapier. Brienne is like 6'0 and has a giant broadsword. To their credit, I did recall a few shots of Arya basically glancing her sword off of Brienne's simply to close the gap (I'll have to re-watch), but there were a few where she straight-up block Brienne full-on, which is quite impossible. I'm cool with Arya defeating Brienne, but the way it was done wasn't full convincing. I'm not going to have a melt down over it, though.
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CyborgSage00x0 posted...

It was badass, but it was obviously impractical. Arya is 5'0 and 90lbs on a good day, and is wielding basically Baby's First Rapier. Brienne is like 6'0 and has a giant broadsword. To their credit, I did recall a few shots of Arya basically glancing her sword off of Brienne's simply to close the gap (I'll have to re-watch), but there were a few where she straight-up block Brienne full-on, which is quite impossible. I'm cool with Arya defeating Brienne, but the way it was done wasn't full convincing. I'm not going to have a melt down over it, though.

You don't need to use a large sword to parry one if the angles are in your favor. It's exactly Arya's small size that basically allows her to flip Brienne's giant blade aside and bounce right off of it to close the gap. Arya is trained as an assassin. Why attack a tank with another tank when running up on it and tossing a grenade in the hatch is just as effective?

If this were Soul Calibur, Ayra would be Talim whereas Brienne would be Knightmare. If this were Smash, Ayra would be like Link or ZSS and an opponent like Brienne would be Ganondorf. Brienne is a bruiser, whereas Ayra is a finesse Scrappy who's only goal is to get inside your guard to put Needle thru your neck or eye socket.
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CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Bronn is 100% going to just drag him out of the water. Bronn doesn't believe in wearing armor, so he can swim freely.

Probably. It's a bit of a cop-out but it gives them an explanation on how they survived the Dothraki. Obviously they'd just kill everyone on land so this way A) they're not cowards and B) they live.

Anyone ever notice no main character dies in a battle. I can't think of any that did. It's always a battle and then personable. I guess that's what they tried to do with this ending to keep you guessing.

Gradieus posted...

Anyone ever notice no main character dies in a battle. I can't think of any that did. It's always a battle and then personable. I guess that's what they tried to do with this ending to keep you guessing.

A ton of them died in the Watchers on the Wall but that's about the only one
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FrozenBananas posted...

Gradieus posted...

Anyone ever notice no main character dies in a battle. I can't think of any that did. It's always a battle and then personable. I guess that's what they tried to do with this ending to keep you guessing.

A ton of them died in the Watchers on the Wall but that's about the only one

I mean main main characters. Like the top 30 characters of the show. Not Pip and other guy. I'd say Ygritte was the closest though.

Who's plan do you think it was to attack there anyway, Jon's or maybe Davos?

It wasn't Jon's. He had literally just said to her earlier in the episode that she shouldn't use the Dragons as force or to attack. I can't imagine Tyrion would have told her to do that either. I think it might have been her own choice.
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FrozenBananas posted...

It wasn't Jon's. He had literally just said to her earlier in the episode that she shouldn't use the Dragons as force or to attack. I can't imagine Tyrion would have told her to do that either. I think it might have been her own choice.

Well Jon said don't use it to melt cities or castles. But yeah, hopefully it was her because I feel she doesn't decide enough on her own.

Jon told her to not burn cities, nothing about not killing armies.
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Anyone else wish Qyburn's secret anti-dragon weapon had been gunpowder? Maybe it could have been the world's first grapeshot canon. It would have been a cool way to give the Lanister side their own terror weapon to use.

Duck-I-Says posted...

Anyone else wish Qyburn's secret anti-dragon weapon had been gunpowder? Maybe it could have been the world's first grapeshot canon. It would have been a cool way to give the Lanister side their own terror weapon to use.

That would have been awesome, tbf.
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Dany is the fucking worst.

Tellling Jon to "bend the knee 'cause what's more important? Your people or your pride?"

He could ask her the same fucking question.
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SpaceBear_ posted...

Dany is the fucking worst.

Tellling Jon to "bend the knee 'cause what's more important? Your people or your pride?"

He could ask her the same fucking question.

She's using negotiation tactics 101. She wants him to bend the knee. He wants her to help him fight the night king. He told her he's desperate. He told her her army could be enough to beat the night king.

Never negotiate from weakness. Jon played all his cards because he knows nothing about negotiating. She loses nothing by making him concede and bend the knee.

I was hoping for Jaimie and Bronn to kill that Dragon, I dislike Dany and like the other two.

"Dickon"

*laughs*
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SpaceBear_ posted...

He could ask her the same fucking question.

And get eaten by a dragon.
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darcandkharg31 posted...

I was hoping for Jaimie and Bronn to kill that Dragon, I dislike Dany and like the other two.

"Dickon"

*laughs*

I was rooting for that as well to be honest. Or something similar. Dany has to pay for her stupidly SOME time. She's been escaping that shit for years. She's insanely "luckily"...
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darcandkharg31 posted...

Damn he's killin it...
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SpaceBear_ posted...

He could ask her the same fucking question.

Yep, in fact he's asked it before and Mance bitch slapped him for not understanding the politics of the situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO_IxtixRi0&t=1m43s

Do we know who "saved" Jaime when he was about to get torched?

Obviously "saved" is in quotes because it will be ridiculous plot armor if he somehow survives sinking into deep water with one hand and 50+ pounds of armor on him
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Do we know who "saved" Jaime when he was about to get torched?

Obviously "saved" is in quotes because it will be ridiculous plot armor if he somehow survives sinking into deep water with one hand and 50+ pounds of armor on him

Yes it was Bronn.

Duck-I-Says posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Do we know who "saved" Jaime when he was about to get torched?

Obviously "saved" is in quotes because it will be ridiculous plot armor if he somehow survives sinking into deep water with one hand and 50+ pounds of armor on him

Yes it was Bronn.

Okay that was my assumption. Don't really know who else it would have been.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Okay that was my assumption. Don't really know who else it would have been.

Potentially Dickon who had already saved Jamie's life once before, but Reddit detectives noticed Bronn had open fingered gloves and the guy who saved Jamie had open fingered gloves.

Duck-I-Says posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Okay that was my assumption. Don't really know who else it would have been.

Potentially Dickon who had already saved Jamie's life once before, but Reddit detectives noticed Bronn had open fingered gloves and the guy who saved Jamie had open fingered gloves.

And since a Lannister always pays his debts, Bronn will still get his saddlebag full of gold coins eventually...although there is still arguably a lump of melted gold the size of a cinderblock somewhere on that battlefield.
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Duck-I-Says posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Okay that was my assumption. Don't really know who else it would have been.

Potentially Dickon who had already saved Jamie's life once before, but Reddit detectives noticed Bronn had open fingered gloves and the guy who saved Jamie had open fingered gloves.

I though that the most obvious reason, because I even noticed it, was Bronn looking at that white horse.

Also there's no way Jamie is dead unless that lake has the steepest shoreline on the fucking planet. It was probably just for dramatic effect.

Cacciato posted...

I though that the most obvious reason, because I even noticed it, was Bronn looking at that white horse.

Yeah that was another one people saw, but the gloves were 100% proof positive.

Cacciato posted...

Also there's no way Jamie is dead unless that lake has the steepest shoreline on the fucking planet. It was probably just for dramatic effect.

They'll probably have Drogon fish him out without killing him and he'll be a prisoner yet again. After all we need the Tyrion meets Jaime scene.

Duck-I-Says posted...

Cacciato posted...

I though that the most obvious reason, because I even noticed it, was Bronn looking at that white horse.

Yeah that was another one people saw, but the gloves were 100% proof positive.

Cacciato posted...

Also there's no way Jamie is dead unless that lake has the steepest shoreline on the fucking planet. It was probably just for dramatic effect.

They'll probably have Drogon fish him out without killing him and he'll be a prisoner yet again. After all we need the Tyrion meets Jaime scene.

They aren't going to kill Jaime off via him drowning. Plus he still needs to fulfill his prophecy and kill his sister. Most likely he will be captured and Tyrion will ask to save his life, Dany will then use him as a bargaining chip and Cersei will say nah and that will be the tipping point for Jamie. That or his character is doomed to just help Cersei forever and he won't actually have an arc.
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So is that Dothraki who is always scowling and making snide comments Dany's bloodrider?

they are all her bloodriders
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VeeVees posted...

they are all her bloodriders

The crew that never actually fights and hangs around looking mad or every Dothraki? If the latter, I thought Dothraki leaders only had a small crew of bloodriders which would make sense because they're supposed to commit suicide after their Khal has died.

Jiggy101011 posted...

I think the sand snake storyline is done.

I'm doubtful, given how long the poison was clarified to last. Seems like a Checkov's gun.

VioletMassacre posted...

TheNeckbeard posted...

I theorize that Bronn will have a hand in trying to free the sand snakes and saving Tyene, so him dying here wouldn't work.

The actress playing Ellaria has confirmed that she's out, so it would be weird if Tyene isn't done for.

I thought the actress playing Tyene was confirmed for more episodes this season?

FrozenBananas posted...

But after thinking about it, I am a bit disappointed none of them died. I thought at first Bronn was gonna kill Drogon. Then I thought he was gonna get killed, and then I thought Jamie have died. I'm a huge Jamie fan and I would have easily accepted that as his death scene.

Someone should have died. A bit anticlimactic.

Would be more anticlimatic if he died doing something that stupid. And you can't kill a character that big so soon into the season, that's the kind of shit you save for the final or penultimate episode of a season.
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FrozenBananas posted...

Also, that fucking Littlefinger and Bran scene...Oh my god. It was perfect from the first line to the last. His face at the end LOL

Favorite part of the episode.

FrozenBananas posted...

Also are people really complaining about the Ayra and Brienne scene? I haven't liked Arya in a couple years but she great in this episode, and completely understandable how the fight went down. Arya has to be the smallest opponent Brienne has ever faced. And the quickest,l. She was not prepared and her deep but slow lunges do nothing to her. Also her sword is so tiny it just bounces around her big broadsword. It's what any dance master would have done. A bit similar to The mountain vs Oberyn

Arya's tactics border on suicidal. The fight only works because it's heavily scripted.

WhiskeyDisk posted...

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

It was badass, but it was obviously impractical. Arya is 5'0 and 90lbs on a good day, and is wielding basically Baby's First Rapier. Brienne is like 6'0 and has a giant broadsword. To their credit, I did recall a few shots of Arya basically glancing her sword off of Brienne's simply to close the gap (I'll have to re-watch), but there were a few where she straight-up block Brienne full-on, which is quite impossible. I'm cool with Arya defeating Brienne, but the way it was done wasn't full convincing. I'm not going to have a melt down over it, though.

You don't need to use a large sword to parry one if the angles are in your favor. It's exactly Arya's small size that basically allows her to flip Brienne's giant blade aside and bounce right off of it to close the gap. Arya is trained as an assassin. Why attack a tank with another tank when running up on it and tossing a grenade in the hatch is just as effective?

If this were Soul Calibur, Ayra would be Talim whereas Brienne would be Knightmare. If this were Smash, Ayra would be like Link or ZSS and an opponent like Brienne would be Ganondorf. Brienne is a bruiser, whereas Ayra is a finesse Scrappy who's only goal is to get inside your guard to put Needle thru your neck or eye socket.

Arya is tiny and using a sword with a much shorter reach. "Trained assassin" doesn't fly, especially because the best assassins don't fight their targets like that. While it looked cool, it was a heavily scripted, very fake-looking fight.
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That Aria/Brienne fight was utter **** and completely unbelievable. The belief that her "small size" gave her that big of an advantage is laughable. Brienne is a great warrior whose been training her whole life, someone who trained (really, just got her ass kicked almost the whole time) a year or two could not come close to winning. Needle should have bounced off Brienne's armor or sword, the fact that she was able to deflect Brienne's sword was ridiculous.

I will address this tomorrow, because it's 3 am already.
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https://www.twitter.com/tspaleny7/status/894537285135421441

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epxdxcy6dYs

I forgot to get back to this topic with my thoughts but that video covered it pretty well.
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Duck-I-Says posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epxdxcy6dYs

That's actually a really interesting channel. He did one on the Tower of Joy fight scene, and apparently he didn't have a problem with the dual wielding bit, which I remember a lot of people complaining about. Still other issues in that fight, but I'm liking these videos.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8FmCDpgFSs
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This episode made me think I might be wrong about Arya kililng littlefinger......could (And btw ick) there be a littlefinger/arya romance in the future?

I thought the fight was fine, it was a draw btw, both of them would have killed each other, so Arya didn't really win. In addition, if your not actually trying to kill someone with a big heavy blade, you are at a serious disadvantage when sparing. You can totally "ALMOST" kill someone with a light fast blade, but try doing that with a huge hunk of metal.

Didn't like the Bran parts much tbh, and yeah, no way Jamie is going down *literally* like that, but over all good episode.

John snow still seems to know nothing. Grow some balls dude, seriously. You died and came back, have the same blood as Danny, and you have your own freaking army as well, negotiate from a position of strength/power. Danny needs you more then you need her, she just doesn't know it, so SHOW her that it's true.

She wants to Rule, you just want to save what she wants to rule. She should be bending the knee to you and thanking you, not demanding you swear fealty to her.

Oh well whatever. I'm liking Danny less and less. Still like Arya alot and John just knows nothing, but is still cool.
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The only thing that annoys me in that guys review video was that he called Arya's Needle "a very strange sword that probably wouldn't have been around in that period". I don't think he knows that the sword was made specifically for her by a talented blacksmith. There were never any women, especially tiny women like her, that would fight with a sword so of course it wouldn't be seen. Many characters even comment on it throughout the series.

But he acts like it's a flaw in the series, that the writers were too stupid to know this sword didn't belong in this era. That's not the case at all

FrozenBananas posted...

The only thing that annoys me in that guys review video was that he called Arya's Needle "a very strange sword that probably wouldn't have been around in that period". I don't think he knows that the sword was made specifically for her by a talented blacksmith. There were never any women, especially tiny women like her, that would fight with a sword so of course it wouldn't be seen. Many characters even comment on it throughout the series.

But he acts like it's a flaw in the series, that the writers were too stupid to know this sword didn't belong in this era. That's not the case at all

He was also saying that you won't do any cutting damage with a sword like that, so he didn't understand why Arya kept striking Brienne, and I'm just sitting here thinking," They aren't trying to hurt each other." I mean, it would be a good point in any other fight scene with that sword, but in this one, not so much.
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wolfy42 posted...

John snow still seems to know nothing. Grow some balls dude, seriously. You died and came back, have the same blood as Danny, and you have your own freaking army as well, negotiate from a position of strength/power. Danny needs you more then you need her, she just doesn't know it, so SHOW her that it's true.

You know it's like just him and Davos at the dragonstone right? If he started shit right then and there he'd be executed so quickly, he has to walk a fine line there.
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Tropic_Sunset posted...

FrozenBananas posted...

The only thing that annoys me in that guys review video was that he called Arya's Needle "a very strange sword that probably wouldn't have been around in that period". I don't think he knows that the sword was made specifically for her by a talented blacksmith. There were never any women, especially tiny women like her, that would fight with a sword so of course it wouldn't be seen. Many characters even comment on it throughout the series.

But he acts like it's a flaw in the series, that the writers were too stupid to know this sword didn't belong in this era. That's not the case at all

He was also saying that you won't do any cutting damage with a sword like that, so he didn't understand why Arya kept striking Brienne, and I'm just sitting here thinking," They aren't trying to hurt each other." I mean, it would be a good point in any other fight scene with that sword, but in this one, not so much.

First, while what he says is true, you COULD make a sword that cut of that type, it was just not something that was done (for a variety of reasons), but could be done just for Arya. The sword was made for her, so it could be special.

Second, even if you can't cut, striking with it would still cause damage, more then striking with a bamboo reed would do, and you can do serious damage with one. hits the joints, or weak spots (like the throat for instance), could still seriously harm someone, or slow them down enough for you to stab them.

Finally, third, and most importantly, they were sparing, so it doesn't matter if the sword can cut, the point is to score a hit, which Arya already had done before they finally tied at the end multiple times. If Arya was using a real short sword (with an edge) the cut to the leg at least would have been serious and probably she would have cut off Briennes hand as well. All of that I believe happened before she was kicked/knocked down, so in a real fight Arya would have won before even getting that far.

I also loved her response to "Who taught you to do that"........it was perfect:)

Arya is certainly my favorite character of the series at this point. I just hope she doesn't actually end up with littlefinger.
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wolfy42 posted...

Tropic_Sunset posted...

FrozenBananas posted...

The only thing that annoys me in that guys review video was that he called Arya's Needle "a very strange sword that probably wouldn't have been around in that period". I don't think he knows that the sword was made specifically for her by a talented blacksmith. There were never any women, especially tiny women like her, that would fight with a sword so of course it wouldn't be seen. Many characters even comment on it throughout the series.

But he acts like it's a flaw in the series, that the writers were too stupid to know this sword didn't belong in this era. That's not the case at all

He was also saying that you won't do any cutting damage with a sword like that, so he didn't understand why Arya kept striking Brienne, and I'm just sitting here thinking," They aren't trying to hurt each other." I mean, it would be a good point in any other fight scene with that sword, but in this one, not so much.

First, while what he says is true, you COULD make a sword that cut of that type, it was just not something that was done (for a variety of reasons), but could be done just for Arya. The sword was made for her, so it could be special.

Second, even if you can't cut, striking with it would still cause damage, more then striking with a bamboo reed would do, and you can do serious damage with one. hits the joints, or weak spots (like the throat for instance), could still seriously harm someone, or slow them down enough for you to stab them.

Finally, third, and most importantly, they were sparing, so it doesn't matter if the sword can cut, the point is to score a hit, which Arya already had done before they finally tied at the end multiple times. If Arya was using a real short sword (with an edge) the cut to the leg at least would have been serious and probably she would have cut off Briennes hand as well. All of that I believe happened before she was kicked/knocked down, so in a real fight Arya would have won before even getting that far.

I also loved her response to "Who taught you to do that"........it was perfect:)

Arya is certainly my favorite character of the series at this point. I just hope she doesn't actually end up with littlefinger.

This is also a really good point. I think he was a bit off base here, but overall a good breakdown.
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