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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Portable Zelda poll maybe?

That could be interesting.
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Also wow what an awful performance by Skyward Sword. It can't even get above Zelda 2!
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charmander6000 posted...

While I agree LttP benefits from all the 3D Zeldas, that is still quite the turn around relative to 2011 with only Breath of the Wild being the notable game added.

OoT has been stalling LttP, LttP only gained 2 votes in the last update.

We've downsized a lot since 2011 and most casuals have left. If we ever go down to like 5000 votes per poll, I can see ALttP even beat OoT outright 1v1.
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LusterSoldier posted...

I'm a bit surprised LttP is beating out OoT right now. We'll have to wait and see if this is just the board vote anti-voting OoT.

I'm quite pleased with Breath of the Wild beating out Twilight Princess and Majora's Mask. It could end up being our third strongest Zelda on the site.

It's reasonable that ALttP crushes this poll, since there are a lot more 3D Zelda games than 2D Zelda games in the options. The only game that splitting the 2D Zelda vote is really Zelda 1, since both FSA and Zelda 2 are fodder. Meanwhile, OoT has to split the 3D Zelda vote with quite a few games of decent strength, especially TP and MM, both of which play and feel very similar to OoT.

If you run the poll instead with like

Zelda 1
Zelda 2
ALttP
LA
OoA/OoS
MC
OoT

then OoT would probably crush this poll.
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1998's just too stacked. You can easily have a "B poll" with 10 more games and it would still look very respectable:

Resident Evil 2
Thief (insane how it hasn't been acknowledged at all)
Crash Bandicoot: Warped or Spyro the Dragon
Fallout 2
Tom Clancy's Rainbox Six
Unreal
Grim Fandango
Gran Turismo
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Link's Awakening DX (if rereleases count).
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So Undertale and Draven repping 2017? What in the world?
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creativename posted...

squexa posted...

charmander6000 posted...

In the bonus poll topic NGamer made a best month of 1998 list with three games each

Sept - Pokemon RB/Metal Gear Solid/Fallout 2
vs.
Nov - Ocarina of Time/Half-Life/Baldur's Gate


September looks a lot better, but November has Zelda.

This is basically 2 questions.
1. Does OoT beat RB?
2. In the event that it does, does OoT SFF RB so much that MGS vs HL is irrelevant.

I'd lean Sept for now, but OoT could surprise me.

I don't think Fallout 2 and BG are relevant. MGS beats Half-Life, but not by enough to make up for OoT's big edge on RB.

Guess it all depends on how OoT vs RB goes. OoT looked pretty off in 2015, but I guess it could still SFF RB to the ground.

charmander6000 posted...

In the bonus poll topic NGamer made a best month of 1998 list with three games each

Sept - Pokemon RB/Metal Gear Solid/Fallout 2
vs.
Nov - Ocarina of Time/Half-Life/Baldur's Gate


September looks a lot better, but November has Zelda.

This is basically 2 questions.
1. Does OoT beat RB?
2. In the event that it does, does OoT SFF RB so much that MGS vs HL is irrelevant.

I'd lean Sept for now, but OoT could surprise me.

CaptainOfCrush posted...

I thought this might happen.

I'm about as big a Melee fanboy as you'll find outside the competitive scene, but there was a very real chance that it would totally collapse against OoT, and that leaves FFX to shoulder a lot more weight against 1998.

All signs right now are pointing to 1998 being easily - EASILY - the most dominant contest champion ever.

I think it's even worse for Melee since RBY is also there. We've seen polls with OoT, RBY and Melee and it gets really really ugly for Melee, even with some minor support from Paper Mario or Pikmin. And that's not to say FFX doesn't already have enough trouble with FFT, Parasyte Eve and Xenogears all being in the poll too to drain the Square support and MGS2 having to fend off MGS1. Everything else is either antivoted like Halo/MGS2 or easily countered by something 1998 has (RE2 vs SH2, Jak vs Spyro, etc). 1998 even has more Zelda games than 2001 (OoT + LADX vs OoA/OoS).

The real battle is 1994 vs 2001 in the xstats.

So why is Link's Awakening DX in the 1998 pics? I thought rereleases were banned.

Either way, I think expanding from 8 to 12 really benefits 2001, since it highlights depth a lot more than anchor.

NowItsAngeTime posted...

Rivals?

Rivals at least had that epic Trainers vs Cloud/Seth match. One of the best matches of all time imo.

LeonhartFour posted...

Yesterday's X-Stats:

1987 - 45.60%
2000 - 28.96%

Amazing

CaptainOfCrush posted...

https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/r4/1994_l.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/r4/1994_r.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/r4/1998_l.jpg
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/r4/1998_r.jpg

1994 overperformance incoming! Almost all of its pics apart from Daytona USA (lol) look incredible. 1998 got both its big PC games snubbed again, and that Pokemon pic looks kinda bland.

wow still no half-life?

CaptainOfCrush posted...

squexa posted...

If we're talking about putting years at their strongest and allowing consoles, why not allow rereleases? Don't see why we can't allow, say, 1999 to have Pokemon Yellow since it is a distinct game from Red/Blue.

1999 with Pokemon Yellow as its lead and Final Fantasy VIII + Smash Bros backup could seriously threaten 1997 imo.

Sure, but I'm trying to examine this within the rule constraints that SBAllen gave us at the start of the contest. It was pretty clear that re-releases (apart from full-fledged remakes like, well, REMake) would not be allowed, while consoles would be. Consoles were mentioned with enough frequency that people logically assumed they'd be a big part of this contest. They were almost invisible.

Did Allen explicitly ban rereleases and explicitly allow consoles? I'm not doubting you. I just can't remember.

If we're talking about putting years at their strongest and allowing consoles, why not allow rereleases? Don't see why we can't allow, say, 1999 to have Pokemon Yellow since it is a distinct game from Red/Blue.

1999 with Pokemon Yellow as its lead and Final Fantasy VIII + Smash Bros backup could seriously threaten 1997 imo.

Ok hypothetically how bad would 1998's pics need to be for people to jump on the 1994 > 1998 train. Assume Allen is going full crazy and is willing to take out OoT/RBY/etc and substitute them for Gex: Enter the Gecko.

LeonhartFour posted...

I've decided I want rematches of 1997 vs. 2001 and 1996 vs. 2000 for the bonus polls, but we get to pick what games are in the pics.

Heck, throw in 1991 vs. 1994 and 2011 vs. 2006 while we're at it.

Good luck getting Allen to agree to this. Allen would be stupid to rerun polls, as if the match results change, it'll basically be admitting his own incompetence and piss a lot of people off.

Nanis23 posted...

Did we even have trends in this contest? I can't picture any comeback ever

Mostly geographical.

red sox 777 posted...

At this point, I'm somewhat leaning towards 2001 winning this one, but really unsure how the trends will play out.

Yeah, I think 2001 should be the favorite to win now, barring major shenanigans. 1997 might make a run at it overnight and possibly even threaten the lead but 2001 should recover in the daytime.

This could be an interesting match. The US is big on 2001 so 1997 could likely take the lead overnight when the Americans go to sleep.

Just watch Allen goes all in with his trollness and removes RBY/OoT for Gex: Enter the Gecko and Shogo: Mobile Armor Division

LeonhartFour posted...

15 minute X-Stats:

2001 – 50.00%
1995 – 47.89%
1997 – 46.10%
1987 – 45.60%
2008 – 31.60%
1996 – 28.44%
2000 – 27.66%
2007 – 26.76%
1985 – 23.35%
1999 – 20.98%
1990 – 19.20%
2009 – 17.80%
2014 – 16.83%
2012 – 12.54%
1986 – 10.54%
1989 – 9.28%
1979 – 6.72%
1983 – 5.62%

LOL i love how close 1987 and 1997 are.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

squexa posted...

I think 1997 got this. Considering how legendarily bad the FFVII board vote is, 2001 needs to do a lot better at this point in time.

FF7 has a bad board vote. 1997 does not.

Ugh I stand corrected

I think 1997 got this. Considering how legendarily bad the FFVII board vote is, 2001 needs to do a lot better at this point in time.

FFVII and SotN can probably still beast through all of 2001 by themselves. Pitting FFX against FFVII will look bad for 2001 no matter the pictures.

Ngamer64 posted...

I voted for Bronze Match plus 2017/1998 on The Show but Best Month of 1998 is an interesting idea, kind of gets us the Pokemon/Ocarina showdown while staying more in this format. There's not room for every month in the poll so maybe something like top ten months, best 3 games per month which would get us:

Jan - Final Fantasy Tactics/Resident Evil 2/Panzer Dragoon Saga
Feb - Xenogears/Battlezone/Star Wars: Rebellion
Mar - StarCraft/1080 Snowboarding/Parasite Eve
May - Gran Turismo/Unreal/Einhänder
Jun - Banjo-Kazooie/X-Men vs. Street Fighter/Wetrix
Jul - F-Zero X/Star Ocean 2/Iggy's Reckin' Balls
Sept - Pokemon RB/Metal Gear Solid/Fallout 2
Oct - Grim Fandango/Turok 2/Crash Bandicoot 3
Nov - Ocarina of Time/Half-Life/Baldur's Gate
Dec - Star Wars: Rogue Squadron/Mario Party/Suikoden II

Would be a nice showcase of depth for the champ on its victory lap.

I like the best month idea too. I think if the months don't fit into the poll, another idea is best quarter:

Q1 (Jan-Mar) - Final Fantasy Tactics/Resident Evil 2/Panzer Dragoon Saga/Xenogears/Battlezone/Star Wars: Rebellion/StarCraft/1080 Snowboarding/Parasite Eve

Q2 (Apr-Jun) - Gran Turismo/Unreal/Einhänder/Banjo-Kazooie/X-Men vs. Street Fighter/Wetrix

Q3 (Jul-Sep) - F-Zero X/Star Ocean 2/Iggy's Reckin' Balls/Pokemon RB/Metal Gear Solid/Fallout 2

Q4 (Oct-Dec) - Grim Fandango/Turok 2/Crash Bandicoot 3/Ocarina of Time/Half-Life/Baldur's Gate/Star Wars: Rogue Squadron/Mario Party/Suikoden II

This format goes well with the current format with 4 columns of scrolling games and so can preserve the current poll structure, although the division might seem arbitrary.

LeonhartFour posted...

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Would anyone be able to challenge Auron in a Supporting Cast Contest? Many years ago I would have said Vincent was the favourite but time has not been kind to him.

I'd give Tifa or Zelda a great shot, too.

Barring rallies, of course.

I think this is where the definition of "supporting cast" comes into play. Is Zelda a supporting character? The series is named after her and I'd argue she's a main character in games like Spirit Tracks but is a supporting character in say Majora's Mask.

We seriously need to a battle royale with ALttP, OoT, CT, FFVII and RBY since I feel that these are our 5 strongest games on the site (by natural strength) and they could be in any order. The only result we know (from direct matchup in 2015) is OoT > FFVII and OoT > ALttP.

scaryice posted...

Thank you for your sacrifice.

I just realized I actually submitted a bracket under an alt (I initially forgot my account/email name for this one since it's been like 4 years since I've been on GameFAQs so I created another account) and almost completely forgot about it until I saw it listed on the leaderboard. Although under the alt I took 1987>1995 for some stupid reason lol.

Big Bob posted...

Since the last time I asked someone went and did it, let's make a 2017 match pic for this round!

Breath of the Wild
Persona 5
Horizon: Zero Dawn
Nier: Automata
Resident Evil 7
Nioh
Hollow Knight
Yakuza 0

And here's some unreleased games that'd probably make the list if you want to swap any out:

Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Red Dead Redemption 2
Super Mario Odyssey
Splatoon 2

I bet 2017 could get like 30% on 1998.

I mean it's basically just BotW and friends (just talking about the games already out), so it all depends on how strong you think BotW is. If you remove BotW, it's as strong as any other year.

LusterSoldier posted...

I find it unlikely Allen will give us any kind of bonus poll that does not use entrants from either this contest or the Vote-In polls. So ideas like the Pokemon RBY/OoT suggestion probably won't happen.

Why? We've had Link vs Santa before, not to mention that match with 4 Links and that match with L Block, ? Block, etc, so I doubt there's a hard rule against using entrants not in the contest. I think the idea is that Allen doesn't want to do a bonus poll completely unrelated to the actual contest (like Draven vs Undertale or something), but I fail to see why he'd shoot down RBY vs OoT. That one fits well with the theme of the contest.

I do think any "rematches with better pics" is completely out though. Because if the rematch changes the result, there will be a lot of angry people and I doubt Allen wants to open a can of worms with that.

Pokemon RBY vs OoT (aka which is the best game of the best year in gaming)

It's like the end of double dragon where Jimmy and Billy won together and then had to fight each other to the death. I personally think RBY and OoT are our top 2 games on the site and I think the match could be debatable.

I think this is the second worst beating =in a quarterfinal match ever. From what I recall, only Zelda > Metroid 2006 was worse.

Also wtf no KOTOR for 2003?

Man, '98 is gonna slay.

RBY vs RSE
OoT vs WW
FFT vs FFX-2

LOL

scaryice posted...

Feeling pretty good about my chances right now. I really didn't think my 1997 over 2001 pick would have much of a shot.

Man I have the exact same bracket as you except I randomly inputted a tiebreaker since I had no idea what it meant. I also didn't see the contest (I missed the '15 contest too) until the official bracket closed so I didn't submit one.

Feels bad lol.

LordoftheMorons posted...

If 1995 pulls it off it seems like it would be pretty definitive evidence that pics really matter in this contest given how bad 95 looked last round.

Or 1987 could just be legit.

creativename posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

squexa posted...

So how strong do you guys think '92 is. The year doesn't have much depth but ALttP is one of the best anchors you have hope for and SMK (almost beat Super Metroid in 2009) is a great second fiddle. How does '92 compare against the other strong SNES years ('91, '94, '95) and overall.

Well it beats 95 and 91 though 95 and 92 are about on the same level probably. Not sure about 94 as that has two legitimate strong games in ff6 and super metroid. 95 92 and 91 have one elite tier game each with a bunch of midcarders and fodders. It's why 97 is in trouble as well becuase it only has ff7 carrying it. 2001 and 98 have several top tier or top 10-20strength games.

You're so confident it beats 1991? I'm not too sure about that. It's also not impossible 1995 beats it.

Yeah, '92 might actually be the strongest SNES year. I feel like people are underestimating ALttP for some reason but it should still be a top 5 game on the site. Under optimal pictures, '92 has Sonic 2 and Mortal Kombat as well.

'92
A Link to the Past
Super Mario Kart
Sonic 2
Mortal Kombat

Possibly the strongest SNES year imo.

So how strong do you guys think '92 is. The year doesn't have much depth but ALttP is one of the best anchors you have hope for and SMK (almost beat Super Metroid in 2009) is a great second fiddle. How does '92 compare against the other strong SNES years ('91, '94, '95) and overall.

Giant2005 posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Giant2005 posted...

Is it just me or is this contest starting to look a little rigged?
I mean take 1992 for example, there is no mention of some of the most important games in history.
Like Ultima VII - it pioneered basically everything people loved about Skyrim. Or Virtua Racing which not only pioneered the 3d racing genre, but it is credited with being responsible popularizing 3d in the first place. Those two games are really big deals that were completely ignored - a similar argument could be made for Alone in the Dark pioneering the horror genre, but that is much less significant than the other two omissions.

Ya, I'm sure Ultima 7 and Virtua Racing would have led 1992 to victory over OoT.

It isn't about victory - there are so many 98 fanboys that 98 would probably win regardless. What it is about is having a fair battle.
Also, although it is an unpopular call to make, Ultima Vii is 10x the game that OoT is. Have you ever tried replaying OoT? It can't be done - it is too boring.

Honestly, I don't know if anyone in this topic's even played Ultima VII lol. TIL Ultima even reached VII.

Yuri_LowelI posted...

creativename posted...

1998 looking even more dominant than expected. 1992 should be pretty respectable.

Could be SFF. LttP has done well with OoT before, but SFF might work differently in a different contest type. Though I think probably 1998 is just that powerful.

Looks like a better pic wouldn't have won 2005 the match, thankfully. Would've been annoying if this was a close win for 2003.

There's noT much Sff.

If we did a best gaming year for the Pc. 98 would also win. It was just a beast of a year.

This is the first contest in a long time where something that deserves to win will actually win and not something some fuckers rallied for. T doesn't matter what site you go to. 98 would win on just about every site. It's ridiculous how far apart it is compared to other years.

Yeah, it's crazy to think about how '98 is arguably an even more monumental year for the PC community (HL, SC, Baldur's Gate, Thief, Grim Fandango, etc) than the console community. I've seen serious articles written about why 1998 is the best year in gaming that don't even mention OoT or MGS.

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LeonhartFour posted...

PSI_NESS posted...

If I had picked 2005 over 2003 I would be so pissed right now; 2003 has 8 games in it's Notable games list while 2005 just has 5.

I mean 2005 is kind of a bad year

In your opinion because all you play is rpgs or something. I'm not having a hobbit it's annoying when people dismiss years becuase it doesn't have a ff or big Nintendo game.

2005 had some outstanding games and some of my fav of all time. God of war ninja gaiden black resident evil 4 shadow of the colosssus devil may cry 3 metal gear solid 3 (Europe for me but still) and the 360 came out as well.

It's all about preference. It seems if a year didn't have a big rpg or something it's not going to do well. But if this site was action game orientated 2005 would be up there. We got dmc3 god of war and NGB in the same year. No other year has a better lineup of pure action games and that's my favourite genre.

I'm not sure that many people will count Ninja Gaiden Black for 2005 since it's just a rerelease of Ninja Gaiden in 2004. That's like saying 2013 is a great year for WRPG because Skyrim: Legendary Edition came out lol.

Villains 2

We need an Ansem vs CATS rematch

alright barring rallies and shenanigans, match is over

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Do we know where the OoT image comes from?

It's from the Japanese release I think? I'm not entirely sure.

transience posted...

I left out Z2 and WW for a reason: those games look noticeably different. the other ones not so much

Nah, the art's too different for most of them.

I think the only one where this might be the case is people mixing up ALttP and LA. They came out in 1992 and 1993 and have very similar pre-OoT art and logo. So it is possible to manipulate LA art in order for people to think that it's ALttP.

I can also see maybe people mixing up OoT and MM since they have identical art, but that's a much bigger stretch.

FlyingForever posted...

transience posted...

hey guys, I want your input on something. do you think those Zelda games - Ocarina, Skyward, TP - look more or less the same in these pictures? I'm kinda wondering if people can even tell that today's pic has Ocarina, or that 2011's Zelda pic was actually Skyward Sword.

I think people see zelda and instavote

Remember 1988?

Yes, not even close. Literally every genre you can think of has a groundbreaking genre defining game.