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TopicIf you've ever written anything racist/sexist/*phobic, etc. on your social media
legendary_zell
07/28/18 9:33:59 PM
#22
Omega Hunter posted...
I just laugh at the idiots that thought any good could possibly come of broadcasting your personal thoughts and opinions to the world. I have never had a single social media account.


You've posted all types of messed up stuff on here though. If anyone had a reason to, you'd be persona non grata if your history was revealed.
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TopicYour opinion of Donald Trump?
legendary_zell
07/22/18 5:52:34 PM
#73
The worst parts of American society that have been growing in the sewers since Goldwater all combined into the person of one man.
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TopicMichelle Wolf mocks ICE with "ICE IS" recruiting video
legendary_zell
07/22/18 12:51:41 PM
#9
spudger posted...
I dont like what they are doing either, but they are just following orders by Trump, they have no choice.

I'm sure there's some sick fucks in ICE that get off on this power trip though.


We're still doing this "just following orders" stuff? After WWII, Vietnam, etc?
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TopicFBI believes Carter Page has been the subject of recruitment by the Russian govt
legendary_zell
07/21/18 8:08:07 PM
#18
TopicBuffy the Vampire Slayer is RETURNING...with a BLACK FEMALE LEAD!!
legendary_zell
07/21/18 12:39:58 PM
#73
All the actual Buffy fans I know are really excited about this. But CE just has to race bait about a show they prolly don't even watch, like, or respect.
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TopicRudy Giuliani's actions are, to me, the most fascinating of the Trump admin
legendary_zell
07/20/18 6:19:22 PM
#2
Yeah, he sometimes seems like he's actively sabotaging Trump by saying just enough to raise additional questions and sometimes outright admissions.

Maybe it's an inside job to take down a mobster....
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TopicToxic feminism
legendary_zell
07/19/18 7:00:12 PM
#80
If you think that the image in the OP is representative of feminism and what the average or even most radical feminists think, you have a laughable, strawman definition of feminism in your head and shouldn't be taken seriously on the subject.
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TopicInside Amazon's sweatshop-like workplaces
legendary_zell
07/17/18 7:06:28 PM
#11
kinetika_ posted...
Then they can go find another job? Doesn't refute my point that they get those things and I dont.


Shouldn't you be mad at your employer, not minimizing the practices of another crappy employer? I don't understand this mindset. It's what keep everyone down.
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TopicAmazon Prime Day is dog shit
legendary_zell
07/17/18 6:52:29 PM
#9
My sister got a pretty good 4k smart TV for over a hundred off.
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TopicSo why is every liberal person I follow freaking out about Trump today?
legendary_zell
07/16/18 11:47:53 PM
#3
It's not just the libs, it's also Paul Ryan, Joe Walsh, Fox News, John McCain etc. He literally acted the way a compromised Russian asset would be expected to act and seemed to be operating like he's acting out a Trump-Putin script.
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TopicDumb fuck Trumpanzee charged with hate crime against lady in puerto rico shirt
legendary_zell
07/13/18 10:18:50 AM
#13
SpiralDrift posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
How is this a hate crime, though he didn't even touch her, and the lady that took a brick to someone's head while shouting racists things isn't?

In that topic you were arguing that it didnt need to be a hate crime because the assault charges were already enough.

But now youre saying this?

Not even close. I said she was racist and it would definitely class as a hate crime but I disagree with the concept of hate crimes in general.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76800634/904984388

Nowhere in that thread did I say it shouldn't be considered a hate crime. I just said the punishment for assaulting someone in that way ought to carry a sufficient penalty by itself.


They are both hate crimes. The cops in that other case made an inexplicable error.
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TopicWoman who beat old Hispanic man with brick declared not racist
legendary_zell
07/12/18 5:04:10 PM
#92
Liberals certainly aren't the ones saying this woman wasn't prejudiced or that this wasn't a hate crime because she is and it was. It was the cops alone who made this decision, so I really don't understand this attempt to turn this into a gotcha.

I haven't seen one liberal attempt to defend her or minimize her actions or victim blame or call a false flag which certainly can't be said for when a hate crime perpetrated by a white person happens.
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TopicPension fund managers have cost Americans more than $600b in the past decade
legendary_zell
07/12/18 2:33:54 PM
#6
No, we should be mad at poor people and immigrants! Postinisthis means you hate success and love class warfare.
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TopicGiuliani has other foreign clients, among them an Iranian terrorist organization
legendary_zell
07/10/18 12:15:21 PM
#14
Giuliani was also involved with Purdue and their executives not being charged with felonies for lying to the public about Oxycontin and starting the opioid crisis. He is absolute corrupt scum. Just look at the things he's been involved with.
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TopicRian Johnson calls out Gamergate
legendary_zell
07/10/18 11:53:57 AM
#139
s0nicfan posted...
legendary_zell posted...
Gamergate was undeniably an anti-SJW and partially anti-woman/minority political identity movement by a certain class of internet citizens, not confined to gamers. That's the core of the movement and its lifeblood, very few people on any side care about ethics in video game journalism. Gamergate was simply part of the internet version of the culture wars. It is and always has been primarily political and cultural and that's obvious

The poor practices or lies of journalists are simply something to point to to provide cover for the fact that the movement was simply a backlash to increasing progressive influence in once insular mediums like games and comics that were shaped by and catered to young white dudes.


That's only if you completely ignore the list of material improvements GG counted as "victories" in terms of ethics, AND he fact that the society of professional journalists agreed with every point made about the ethical issues brought up. To flip your point around, the poor practices and behavior of a few channers using the GG name was simply something to point to provide cover for the fact that the movement was actually gaining efficacy in calling out bad journalistic practices.

http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-biggest-victories-gamergate-achieved-far

Even sites like the Guardian, while actively shitting on GG, admit early on that GG was having real, effective and positive impact:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/11/gamergate-a-brief-history-of-a-computer-age-war
Kotakus US editor Stephen Totilo wrote that Gamergate has been, if nothing else, a good warning to all of us about the pitfalls of cliquishness in the indie dev scene. While Gamergate had sporadic victories Intel pulled ads from a site called Gamasutra after a letter-writing campaign its main legacy seems to have been to entrench existing divisions.


EDIT:
And let's not forget that an entire site was created to explicitly catalogue these behaviors
http://deepfreeze.it/


I'm not saying there weren't obvious flaws with gaming journalism. I am saying that's not what drew people to the movement. What excites people about it, what grew it, what keeps it going is anti-SJWism and internet brand social conservatism. And that's its legacy, even if the few who were actually concerned with ethics managed to do some good.
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TopicRian Johnson calls out Gamergate
legendary_zell
07/10/18 11:33:33 AM
#123
Gamergate was undeniably an anti-SJW and partially anti-woman/minority political identity movement by a certain class of internet citizens, not confined to gamers. That's the core of the movement and its lifeblood, very few people on any side care about ethics in video game journalism. Gamergate was simply part of the internet version of the culture wars. It is and always has been primarily political and cultural and that's obvious

The poor practices or lies of journalists are simply something to point to to provide cover for the fact that the movement was simply a backlash to increasing progressive influence in once insular mediums like games and comics that were shaped by and catered to young white dudes.
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TopicMen legally allowed to finish sex even if woman revoked consent in NC
legendary_zell
07/08/18 6:06:48 PM
#86
This is the topic where Omega finally lost all credibility. Not that he had any to begin with, but this should make it clear to everyone that he's not a serious human being. One socially inept CE poster down, another 50 to go.
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TopicMaine Governor vetoes bill banning Conversion Therapy
legendary_zell
07/08/18 2:53:50 PM
#6
Same thing both sides. The GOP has no negative views towards LGBT people.
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TopicTrump said this at his Montana rally lolllll
legendary_zell
07/07/18 11:32:18 AM
#12
What was the context for this? If Hillary said something like this, people would go into overdrive claiming she had a stroke.
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TopicAlucard is Dracula backwards
legendary_zell
07/07/18 10:35:29 AM
#17
Slaya4 posted...
ArticUNO
ZapDOS
MolTRES


Came to post this.

InstaReturns posted...
Error1355 = Errorless


Mind blown

Kitt posted...
Marshall Mathers -> M&M -> "Eminem"

Bah Gawd


My already blown mind has been blown again.
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TopicArmy promised recruits citizenship, now reneging
legendary_zell
07/05/18 9:13:29 PM
#2
Trash trash trash. This administration is trash. These people bought in and are being screwed for it. All for the sake of an explicitly nationalist agenda. They just want less foreigners overall. They're starting to float the idea of revoking naturalization and thus citizenship. They want to cut legal immigration, build walls, kick out people who are American in every way except on paper. Trash.
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TopicBest Ed Edd 'n' Eddy moment
legendary_zell
07/05/18 9:10:35 PM
#15
The entire reality warping episode. I watched it a few months ago and it's still as entertaining now as it was then.
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TopicAfrican refugees drown after sinking own boat in hopes of getting rescued
legendary_zell
07/05/18 8:24:25 PM
#4
LedZeppelin posted...
womp womp


You're not a good person and don't have one shred of empathy.
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TopicC/D: anti-white sentiment is rising to dangerous levels
legendary_zell
07/04/18 9:41:10 PM
#108
Annihilated posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Absolutely. I grew up in the Bronx, and the casual racism against white people is pretty jarring. Heck, if youre a white guy walking the streets of the Bx I wouldnt be surprised if youre more prone to getting mugged or something than other races. If white people wasnt a majority they would be discriminated against to dangerous levels just like in South Africa


This is exactly what leftists want. I've seen too many of them openly admit it in very clear terms that they can't wait until white people are a minority in America so they can "get what's coming." Leftists are as openly racist now as anyone has ever been in history.


Lmfao at this hysterical persecution complex. Leftists are as openly racist as anyone in history? Did you forget the period of American history that completely denied the humanity of blacks, banned Asians from the country, instituted Jim Crow, conducted the Trail of Tears etc? But no, leftists talking about white privilege are equivalent to them.
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Topicautomatic conversation stopper when dealing with a pro-open border person
legendary_zell
07/03/18 5:53:22 PM
#6
scorpion41 posted...
Theyll deflect to how stupid the comparison is and keep arguing


That's because the comparison is absolutely idiotic. It's not a deflection at all. No one is asking anyone to live in your house either. They live in their own houses. You can't shut down an obvious and correct counterpoint by pointing out that it's obvious.
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TopicDemocrats want to abolish ICE?
legendary_zell
07/03/18 12:39:32 PM
#14
ICE isn't border control. ICE is a recently created agency with a terrible reputation and a terrible culture. ICE only handles internal enforcement.
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TopicRhode Island Democratic Party endorses alt-right candidate
legendary_zell
07/02/18 5:56:43 PM
#5
Intro2Logic posted...
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/the-rhode-island-democratic-party-may-have-endorsed-a-trump-supporter.html


These are the "Democrats" that need to be voted out immediately. They are the ones who make it so easy to say same thing both sides, who kill leftist policies and enthusiasm from the inside. Just absolute trash.

The guy they endorsed is a real winner too. This type of stuff is why the Democrats don't hold any power
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TopicWhat happened to America is a "melting pot"
legendary_zell
07/02/18 4:13:31 PM
#16
s0nicfan posted...
legendary_zell posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Serious answer: We stopped rallying around the country as an ideal. The melting pot works when different cultures rally around a common set of ideals. The melting pot falls apart when different fundamentally disagree on the founding tenets of the country and actively try to overwrite those tenets with their own cultures'. Basically, you need at least some minimal level of nationalism and/or patriotism to hold it all together.


What group of people tried to overwrite American culture with the culture of their own country? This post is from an alternate reality, it certainly doesn't describe anything in America.


Christian Conservatives? I said CULTURE. Not COUNTRY. Big difference.


You're right about that. I misread your post and I apologize for that. I still don't think you're correct though, people are pulling from different elements of our national identify. There's never been one thing you could point to and say "this is the American culture and values" because there's always been a counter thread that was always there from the beginning.

Any appearance that there was an agreement before is because only some voices were counted at all. Of course there will be somewhat more conflict as more voices begin to count. But everyone is still fundamentally pulling from American values and rallying around the flag/constitution/declaration.

For example, this is a country that had always had a strong Christian majority and identity, but it's also always had a lot of different sects and religions and a desire for freedom of and freedom from religion and the establishment of religion. Both are American values that go back to before the founding.
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TopicWhat happened to America is a "melting pot"
legendary_zell
07/02/18 4:03:53 PM
#12
s0nicfan posted...
Serious answer: We stopped rallying around the country as an ideal. The melting pot works when different cultures rally around a common set of ideals. The melting pot falls apart when different fundamentally disagree on the founding tenets of the country and actively try to overwrite those tenets with their own cultures'. Basically, you need at least some minimal level of nationalism and/or patriotism to hold it all together.


What group of people tried to overwrite American culture with the culture of their own country? This post is from an alternate reality, it certainly doesn't describe anything in America.
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TopicWhat happened to America is a "melting pot"
legendary_zell
07/02/18 3:48:37 PM
#4
What effect has any of that had on society? They got yelled at for a few days at most and 99 percent of the people who do those things don't even get that. I don't think that's enough to lose melting pot status.
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TopicDinesh D'Souza tweets #burnthejews
legendary_zell
07/02/18 1:00:57 PM
#39
Conservatives love this guy too. He's one of the main people they trot out as a minority conservative intellectual and they constantly defend his pattern of racist statements. I wonder if they'll admit that we were right now? And I also wonder if they'll admit Trump pardoning this guy is a bad look.
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TopicDenmark passes laws targeting 'ghetto parents' and 'ghetto children' in immigran
legendary_zell
07/02/18 12:12:37 PM
#23
Furthermore, some of those proposals are shockingly discriminatory. Race/location/income based criminal punishments and curfews? Wtf?

I'd like to see who defends this stuff.
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TopicDenmark passes laws targeting 'ghetto parents' and 'ghetto children' in immigran
legendary_zell
07/02/18 12:09:12 PM
#21
This sounds like the Native American reeducation programs they had in the US and Canada, aka a human rights violation. This will not go well. Sounds like something the government will need to apologize for in 75 years.
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TopicHoly shit. 14 words.
legendary_zell
07/02/18 10:05:32 AM
#98
VectorChaos posted...
legendary_zell posted...
VectorChaos posted...
"We are so unlike those crazy conservatives who thought Obama was a secret Muslim communist atheist time travelling Kenyan out to destroy america" the thread.


To see you. YOU. Of all people. Attempting to call someone else out for buying into a conspiracy theory without evidence after we've seen you post about every single conservative conspiracy theory from the FBI coup to Pizzagate to come out since 2016 and attack others for not buying in 100%. That's truly embarrassing on your part.

Rather than simply asserting that the libs are crazy for the umpteenth time, explain away this series of coincidences.


You skip out on your meds today or something? Because you're literally making shit up if you think I believed in pizzagate or an FBI coup.


Eh, maybe it was the Seth Rich bs. And I'm almost positive that you've posted about pizzagate. But the point remains that you're one of the more conspiracy minded posters here so you don't really have a leg to stand on.
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TopicHoly shit. 14 words.
legendary_zell
07/01/18 6:57:19 PM
#94
VectorChaos posted...
"We are so unlike those crazy conservatives who thought Obama was a secret Muslim communist atheist time travelling Kenyan out to destroy america" the thread.


To see you. YOU. Of all people. Attempting to call someone else out for buying into a conspiracy theory without evidence after we've seen you post about every single conservative conspiracy theory from the FBI coup to Pizzagate to come out since 2016 and attack others for not buying in 100%. That's truly embarrassing on your part.

Rather than simply asserting that the libs are crazy for the umpteenth time, explain away this series of coincidences.
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TopicSeriously. Do you think Trump will win a second term?
legendary_zell
07/01/18 11:21:38 AM
#67
J E S U S posted...
legendary_zell posted...
J E S U S posted...
The democrats will have learned nothing and will go for another diversity candidate over the most qualified. Ensuring 4 more years of trump


WTF is this other than blatant sexism? The problem with Hillary was certainly not her qualifications and Trump had no government experience of any kind and it shows through his incompetence at actually being a chief executive or getting legislation passed. Hillary was in no way a diversity candidate. It seems like "most qualified" for you means a white male as it does for many.


Im not just talking about job qualifications. All around as a candidate. They pushed her because she was a woman and made that the entire reason to vote for her. She was not a good Secretary of State and incredibly unlikeable, but the glass ceiling had to be broken. You put the best candidate out there regardless of race and sex.

But there you go, going straight for the racism/sexism card. This is why trump will win 2020


She was the most popular candidate with the widest support. She had the highest qualifications, money, name recognition, etc. She had a detailed platform and never herself relied solely on the fact that she's a woman. That's a myth created by right wingers and Bernie bros. Not to mention she actually received the most votes. She was considered a pretty okay SOS by anyone who wasn't duped by Benghazi trash.

Calling her a diversity candidate when she was A US senator, first lady, and SOS, as well as a Yale law graduate, is sexist AF regardless of your "you called me out for my assholery, I'll vote for Trump " rhetoric. Stop playing the victim when your bad behavior is identified.
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TopicSeriously. Do you think Trump will win a second term?
legendary_zell
07/01/18 11:01:03 AM
#60
J E S U S posted...
The democrats will have learned nothing and will go for another diversity candidate over the most qualified. Ensuring 4 more years of trump


WTF is this other than blatant sexism? The problem with Hillary was certainly not her qualifications and Trump had no government experience of any kind and it shows through his incompetence at actually being a chief executive or getting legislation passed. Hillary was in no way a diversity candidate. It seems like "most qualified" for you means a white male as it does for many.
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TopicWhy do leftists want to abolish the ICE?
legendary_zell
06/30/18 1:31:13 PM
#13
tennisdude818 posted...
Because they want to import Democrats.

https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households

Welfare use varies among immigrant groups. Households headed by immigrants from Central America and Mexico (73 percent), the Caribbean (51 percent), and Africa (48 percent) have the highest overall welfare use. Those from East Asia (32 percent), Europe (26 percent), and South Asia (17 percent) have the lowest


Stop this BS. If you don't want leftists to assume the worst of you and call you racists and ignore your safety based motivations, don't ignore our humanitarian motivations and assume our hatred of ICE is for cynical political reasons. Why do so many conservatives find it impossible to believe that others actually have empathy for people outside of their immediate vicinity and must find some way to dispel that and bring other's motivations down to their level of callousness and selfishness?

ICE has a well publicized history of disgusting activities that are reason enough to burn the whole thing down and start over with a less punitive approach.
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TopicJonathan Pie names it again, "Oppression obsession"
legendary_zell
06/29/18 8:15:42 PM
#16
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
legendary_zell posted...
and it seems many conservatives


Neither he nor I are Conservative. :)
And you continue to prove why his rhetoric is so popular.


You have posted some heinous stuff about social issues that certainly doesn't qualify as socialist, liberal, or even libertarian, so you may not be for Supply Side Economics, but when it comes to the culture wars and human rights, you seem pretty indistinguishable from the Trumpeters in attitude. That's not to say that you are one because I've often seen you post exceptionally reasonable things when social issues are not the topic.
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TopicWhy don't most pro-life people act like an atrocity is happening?
legendary_zell
06/29/18 8:12:27 PM
#15
Russman posted...
Its because people have been tricked by the normalcy of it all. There are many many examples of a population being indifferent to an ongoing genocide.


Thanks for this. This seems like it could be an explanation if people truly feel abortion is murder. However, it doesn't seem like it fully applies. My impression is that most people in that situation would deny the genocide exists or victim blame when they're indifferent to it, not affirmatively argue that it exists, identify themselves as someone who thinks it's happening....and then mostly ignore it and direct most of the time they do spend on it moralizing and head shaking.
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TopicJonathan Pie names it again, "Oppression obsession"
legendary_zell
06/29/18 8:04:37 PM
#11
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
legendary_zell posted...
Does a certain class of anti-SJWs just spend all day on Youtube searching for white guys ranting about SJWs gone mad?


I'm sub'd to him, have been since the 2016 election. This video appeared in my queue.

You already agree with him, what's the point of sitting there and having a guy shout your opinions back at you. What's the point of getting riled up over Google changing their emojis?


I enjoy his take on British politics, a subject I'm not intimately familiar with. You don't listen anyone you already mostly agree with? I don't get what you're trying to criticize here. He articulates things very well and helps distill ideas and emotions.
What kind of ridiculous sophistry are you trying to pull . . . is this some shallow attempt at whining about echochambers as if we can't share stuff we agree with? How the fuck would I know if I even agreed with it if I didn't watch it? Jesus Christ.


I actually don't. I hate political videos. They almost always result in shoutyness and a lack of nuance and it seems many conservatives have gone deep into the Youtube sphere and frequently have some Youtuber that they won't allow any disagreement with and simply link to a rant of his when challenged. It's a recent thing because conservatives used to at least defend themselves with words, now they link to hour long videos of some dude and claim victory when you don't watch the whole thing. It's even worse when I already agree with the person, that's profoundly baffling. No one is right often enough for me to listen to them talk like that.

And yes, Youtube echochambers are particularly bad.
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TopicJonathan Pie names it again, "Oppression obsession"
legendary_zell
06/29/18 7:49:58 PM
#3
Does a certain class of anti-SJWs just spend all day on Youtube searching for white guys ranting about SJWs gone mad? You already agree with him, what's the point of sitting there and having a guy shout your opinions back at you. What's the point of getting riled up over Google changing their emojis?
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TopicWhy don't most pro-life people act like an atrocity is happening?
legendary_zell
06/29/18 7:43:42 PM
#10
DarkTransient posted...
legendary_zell posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Because that side of the political spectrum generally prefers to do things through the proper, legal, channels?


I'm not advocating for illegal actions, I'm asking for an explanation of why people who think there's a holocaust going on don't take to the streets in protest, incessantly call their legislators, advocate any measure that reduces the number of abortions, push for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, push for science proving that fetuses have the features of person-hood, etc. It should be an issue that causes moral outrage even greater than what slavery caused, but instead it's merely a wedge issue that again seems to be driven far more by sexual conservatism than a desire to save lives.


Taking to the streets in protest and incessantly calling their legislators (as opposed to doing it on occasion) is much harder when you actually work to support yourself and your family instead of depending on parent / government handouts.

The rest... they, y'kno, kinda do do those things?


This is basically email chain letter level conservatism. Har har, libs don't have jobs so they protest, while conservatives pay taxes and raise families. Conservatives had time to go to Tea Party rallies and Trump rallies (the biggest of all time, right?), but not enough to call their legislators more than a few times a year or protest about millions of babies being killed? They have time to live normal lives with fun, but they don't care about that? And they see that whatever "civil" approach they're taking isn't working and is leading to more death, but they don't change? That reflects very poorly on them at best. But you might be right considering this same group of people's reaction to other horrible things.

I've worked for legislators in conservative states dealing with healthcare related stuff and we never got a call related to abortion, even when healthcare was by far the biggest issue a few years ago. But people definitely call their school and complain about sex ed.

Again, this should be significantly worse than slavery in their minds and yet most spend what little energy they spend on shaming and telling women to keep their legs closed.
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TopicWhy isn't White Supremacy taken more seriously as a threat?
legendary_zell
06/29/18 12:45:10 AM
#161
FLUFFYGERM posted...
legendary_zell posted...
I don't think you're gonna be able to have a constructive conversation on this here. For one, most people here have a narrow, partially honest, partially self-serving definition of what white supremacy means. You can't be a white supremacist if you're not out there in a hood, burning crosses. White supremacy means open membership in groups that are so identified with white supremacy that you can't deny they are white supremacist without getting laughed out of town. It's so closely identified with a few specific groups and phrases that of course there's little threat in their minds.

Part of the problem is that society is very clear that being a white supremacist is bad and it's not okay to be a white supremacist, but is nowhere near as good at teaching people what white supremacy actually is, its history, its goals, its legacy, or how it persists today. And that leads to a situation where people definitely know they don't want to be identified as a white supremacist because all but the most far gone know that will make most people hate and disregard you. But that also gives a strong incentive to narrow the definition so much that it's defined out of existence.


You're pretty much proving the point I made in post #36 though. You're eager to mention that people have a self-serving definition for white supremacism, but you refuse to acknowledge how many self-serving definitions there are.

You have an entire generation of people constructing a religious framework in which everything and anything can and must be analyzed and interpreted in a way in which white supremacy is involved or responsible or related or at the root. And that causes fatigue in the discourse because it cheapens actual uncontested examples of white supremacy. No one denies that the neo-Nazi who drove his car into the crowd of protesters is a white supremacist, for example. But when you tell white people that everything and anything is because of white supremacy or an example of white supremacy, you end up having people who just tune out the religious rhetoric. Which might be why TC perceives it being taken as less of a threat.


Most of those pictures had nothing to do with white supremacy or its definition for one. Many of them were outright correct, while some were outright prejudiced toward white people. But again, that has nothing to do with white supremacy.

On a side note, I never really understood this "cheapening" argument. It's every individual's responsibility to have an accurate definition of abhorrent things. Someone allegedly misusing the word homophobia, racism, rape etc does not excuse anyone from identifying and standing against these things and it doesn't have that effect on most people. It's always struck me as a post-hoc justification for people who already didn't care about speaking out against those things and wouldn't affect any well adjusted person with an accurate conceptual framework.

There's a fundamental disconnect here because many are trying to recognize everywhere where white supremacy rears its ugly head because its role was largely ignored until recently and it's had a HUGE effect on American history at the very least. It was one of the foundational elements of our society from before the founding until like the 1970s. That's gonna have a tooooon of trickle down effects. It includes the idea itself, its effects, and the methods used to maintain it. But most people never get that far, they just learn KKK=White Supremacy and leave it at that. To you, that seems like a religious framework, but to others, that's just analyzing the true importance of the concept.

I'm not gonna deny that people go too far with it pretty frequently, but that's another inevitable effect of people never really being taught to understand white supremacy beyond group membership and the Civil War.
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TopicWhy don't most pro-life people act like an atrocity is happening?
legendary_zell
06/29/18 12:27:16 AM
#7
SenTedCruz posted...
Are you asking "Why aren't pro-lifers less reasonable?" There legitimately are pro-lifers who think that the ability of a woman to voluntarily get an abortion means a genocide is going on and they're as annoying as the pro-choicers who frame the whole thing as hatred and oppression of women.


What's a "reasonable" reaction to a holocaust? This is a very strange thing to "same thing both sides" about. If they are right there IS a holocaust going on and the children must be protected, yet they don't act like that at all.

DarkTransient posted...
Because that side of the political spectrum generally prefers to do things through the proper, legal, channels?


I'm not advocating for illegal actions, I'm asking for an explanation of why people who think there's a holocaust going on don't take to the streets in protest, incessantly call their legislators, advocate any measure that reduces the number of abortions, push for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, push for science proving that fetuses have the features of person-hood, etc. It should be an issue that causes moral outrage even greater than what slavery caused, but instead it's merely a wedge issue that again seems to be driven far more by sexual conservatism than a desire to save lives.
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TopicWhy isn't White Supremacy taken more seriously as a threat?
legendary_zell
06/29/18 12:19:26 AM
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I don't think you're gonna be able to have a constructive conversation on this here. For one, most people here have a narrow, partially honest, partially self-serving definition of what white supremacy means. You can't be a white supremacist if you're not out there in a hood, burning crosses. White supremacy means open membership in groups that are so identified with white supremacy that you can't deny they are white supremacist without getting laughed out of town. It's so closely identified with a few specific groups and phrases that of course there's little threat in their minds.

Part of the problem is that society is very clear that being a white supremacist is bad and it's not okay to be a white supremacist, but is nowhere near as good at teaching people what white supremacy actually is, its history, its goals, its legacy, or how it persists today. And that leads to a situation where people definitely know they don't want to be identified as a white supremacist because all but the most far gone know that will make most people hate and disregard you. But that also gives a strong incentive to narrow the definition so much that it's defined out of existence.
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