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Colegreen_c12 posted...

I have a little more time to expand now. Here's some more basic info

start playtesting with paper cards! it could be a lot of fun. given how similar the proposal is to magic, you could even just start playtesting with magic cards you already own

as far as i can tell, you've proposed magic with one change, and the rest kind of follows naturally by designing around that change. you're replacing mana screw with a more mitigable color screw- you can circumvent it entirely if you're willing to run a 1-color deck

i think before designing a new game, you would enjoy playing a bunch of existing card games that are different from magic to varying amounts. it's certainly a lot faster than bumping into the same design issues yourself

While doing this, ask yourself- why are they fun? why are they not fun? how much randomness do they have? where do they put the randomness?

you don't need to buy them- the ones that aren't free you can play on open source platforms or with proxies

prismata
android: netrunner
keyforge
hearthstone
duelyst

vintagegin also mentioned faeria. maybe worth dropping $10 on?

https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/48855/top-collectible-games-spring-2021

maybe even stuff like arkham horror, artifact, age of sigmar: champions, infinity wars tcg, minion masters, stormbound, fftcg, etc. there are just so many.

something that already exists might be what you're looking for. i had my eyes opened to the wild world of board games in the mid 2010s and it's been a fun ride

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VintageGin posted...

Faeria has the best resource system of any card game I've played, but that's entirely due to the fact that it has a board to build on.

when i first found out about faeria, i was super interested, but it was already dead- i was very sad. i've heard maybe it was resuscitated by being released on the switch (?)

its resource system seems similar to android: netrunner, which is the best card game i've ever played. time is the primary resource- each player has 3 or 4 "clicks" each turn with which they can do stuff like draw a card, gain money, install a program or hardware, "run" a server, etc etc

the randomness or variance factor of android: netrunner comes from the sheer volume of hidden information and mind games

VintageGin posted...

Flesh and Blood has a decent system in that pretty much every card can be "pitched" for some amount of resources to pay for your other cards/abilities. But it's also a drastically different game where you're drawing up to your hand size every turn.

i recommend checking out keyforge, at least as a study. you draw up to your hand size every turn, and have infinite mana of one color of your choice each turn. the randomness or variance factor of keyforge comes from the fact that your deck is forced to be 3 colors, so your hand might not align with what you most want

i mentioned before that FFTCG allows you to pitch cards to generate mana, so it seems to be a recurring trend

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Colegreen_c12 posted...

I have honestly been considering making a poc card game in unity that is similar to magic with a different mana system.

But I'm lazy

many smart people have attempted this!

if you're going to try to make "mtg without mana screw/flood" you're going to need to add randomness elsewhere. randomness is important to make the game feel different each time you play and to prevent the better player from winning 100% of the time. those things are required to reach that mysterious "fun" that keeps players coming back

but maybe mtg's randomness is a little too high. i'd be super interested to hear what you're thinking about. FFTCG lets you discard a card at any time to generate 2 mana, for example

i just think mtg's mana system allows mtg cards themselves to be super satisfying without being completely broken, and prevents formats from being quickly and perfectly solved into rock-paper-scissors

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i get it, i think it totally depends on what deck *i'm* running

i love participating in the back and forth of a grind/value race- i'm golgari at heart, and my favorite deck archetypes are usually some kind of interactive midrange. it wasn't always this way- arena helped me learn to embrace the ravenous chupacabras of the world. prior to that, i was functionally more of a fearful, budget pillow fort player

if my deck can't really participate in that race (if i'm low to the ground aggro or something), then absolutely i get frustrated

on the other end, anything that can break through and give pure control a big middle finger (carnage tyrant, hydroid krasis, discard, that card drawing squirrel, etc) makes me giddy

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esika's chariot is something my current deck can generally deal with, so while i might roll my eyes, i don't really mind. if you have creatures of your own, artifact destruction, or a board wipe, the chariot isn't a big deal unless they also land a wrenn

what really sucks is having the ability to play the game taken away from me, or anything that makes me wait excessively

i'm talking like pre-ban eggs, or any crazy combo deck where the person just sits in the corner playing with themselves for 10 minutes

pretty much anything extra turns or land destruction gets that way, too

cat oven and mono white got a little tedious on arena due to so many triggers, even if they weren't that powerful

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yeah, i'll be honest- i'm mostly a bo1 player, and these are clearly bo3 decks

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i don't fully understand the mtg circuit, but here's the list of decks in their top 16

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/q1xxvp/worlds_metagame_and_decklists_leaked/

this is probably where we should look for stuff that's "good", or at least stuff your deck might want to be able to snipe

4 Grixis Epiphany
4 Izzet Epiphany
3 Mono-Green Aggro
2 Mono-White Aggro
1 Izzet Dragons
1 Gruul Aggro (splashing Negate)
1 Azorius Aggro

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yeah wrenn and seven along with esika's chariot is just ridiculous, but it doesn't look fun to me for whatever reason. i realize i'm being difficult and should just play the good deck

i'm more hopeful in the red-based or black-based field

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there are a lot of izzet variations flying around! they're eating each other alive, and i think everyone has their eyes on it

it's kinda hard to pin the meta down with no significant events

i saw one list with Storm-Kiln Artist and Goldspan Dragon that looked super fun, but i think it's not good enough


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i'm crossing my fingers and waiting for standard to settle- no deck in the format is calling to me yet.

if anyone's having a good time with something, i'd like to hear about it!

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tbqh sounds like a fun time to try out lucario and crustle

how often do you get to be overpowered in online play?

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They printed a sorta fixed snapcaster vampire, at least

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congrats on winning the game. sorry about the lack of advancement

yeah, i as a policy try not to play social games to win- i just end up getting frustrated. this includes stuff like Diplomacy, MTG Commander, Munchkin, and wc/sc phantom mode. Being good at the game just makes you a target

i'm curious as to the story (role, length of survival, personality, etc) behind the 5 advancers. what scores did you give them?

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Leafeon13N posted...

Your assumption was wrong.

No shit, sherlock!

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i had always assumed his name was a reference to a combination of Jesse James, the most famous IRL wild west outlaw, and the video game mad dog mccree

i'm not emotionally attached to overwatch and if they feel like changing it for $$ or moral reasons they can go right ahead

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_James
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Dog_McCree


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i've already drafted a bunch of ikoria, and almost always ended up in cycling. mutate with human/non-human synergies a couple of times

this time, for my free draft, i tried being different for the sake of being different- i forced mardu humans.

Given that nobody else wants it, it was surprisingly easy to get what i wanted and plenty of removal. The deck felt good and the results were... okay. 5-3. one of my losses was very unlucky, but i'm sure twice as many of my wins were super lucky.

6 copies of whisper squad is fun times. and nobody was taking the bastion of rememberance and multiple copies of sanctuary lockdown, checkpoint officer, and daysquad marshal

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Wow is a really good game, though.

Ffxiv is good, too, but they both have their advantages

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the implication that the olympic class "athletes" can't even finish a course is amusing. a universe of incompetent beings

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thanks for the recommendation, i'll take a quick look. i like fair decks, and that one almost looks too fair! right up my alley.

waiting until innistrad was the plan, but if there is already something interesting in the pipeline i might as well give it a spin

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Whoops! yes, I meant 2022. Sorry

My mutate and 'fuck u mill' escape cards are going away and I don't know what I'm going to do

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TCC is great. I don't know if they still do them, but their product reviews (particularly for stuff like sleeves, binders, deck boxes, etc) were helpful to me.

Their youtube channel is a little bit of an acquired taste. The host articulates extremely carefully (speaks slowly) and sometimes overcomplains, but their heart is in the right place- they mean well for the game, and often represent common opinions of a lot of long-time invested players.

Also, do y'all have any good deck recommendations for arena standard 2022?

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it's a rough year to be a minty maniac

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no worries. i was always a fan of the shotgun approach to interviews anyway

each interview that doesn't result in a job is practice for the next one. schools in particular are loathe to promote from within

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I bought a tiny bit on the dip. In some ways I wish I had the balls to put more in, but on the other hand I still don't believe in playing with more than I'm willing to lose.

i've been on vacation the past couple months (been working for a decade, it's time for a break), and it is really hard to motivate myself to go back to work when my net worth has been going up instead of down

i know it's just a local ebb and flow, and i'll have to return to reality when the tides change again, but damn

i also dumped my sentimental blizzard stock. i'm sure it'll go up again, but it's nice to be able to wipe my hands clean of something

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Yes. The game is super fun

I don't like the 3v3 maps- the more players the better. In fact, I'd like if they could increase team sizes even further

The only time I didn't know where I was shot from, the game pulled up a kill cam

It takes a hot minute to learn a map, but the portal spots aren't oppressive

I've also noticed that the game really highlights enemy players, so I don't need to squint to pick out ones that are far away

I do wish there were actual grenades, but some of the weapons seem to have more splash than usual. The shotgun does a lot of damage at longer ranges than I would expect


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Aecioo posted...

Saints Row The Third is one of the best games of all times in terms of its quality vs time of release

Yeah it feels so old now but that game was a complete banger on release

absolutely! i have such fond memories of playing it in like 2013, but i think i dusted it off in like 2018 and had to put it down fairly quickly

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Is it really tho? You listed more games than anyone else lol

what can i say? i'm a tryhard at heart

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this is kinda tough, because i (especially when i was younger) traditionally have been a cautious gamer. if i buy something, i'm usually already hyped through my own instincts or a friend's recommendation

games i was meh on at first, but semi-reluctantly bought and enjoyed way more than i expected:

Journey
Hollow Knight
Deep Rock Galactic
Dying Light
Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor
Hotline Miami
Sleeping Dogs
SYNTHETIK
ECHO
Portal
Escape Velocity: Override
Saints Row: The Third
Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath
PowerStone
Kung Fu Chaos
Spider-Man (2000)

a few haven't aged so well (saints row and stranger's wrath in particular) but i'm leaving them in

some others in the thread have great suggestions, but i personally was given the heads up on how great they were ahead of time

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What, you guys don't call mgs and splinter cell "tactical espionage action"?

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KamikazePotato posted...

Overall, sales for video games in Japan have gone down significantly over the last 15 years. Outside of the big guns like Animal Crossing and Monster Hunter, games across the board are selling like ass. This is about what I would've expected from a sequel to an obscure JRPG.

That's really interesting. What are people in Japan buying instead?

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Oh also the pumpkin plains is my favorite

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i think i'll have to see the full arts in person before i can judge whether i like em

i do feel fortunate to have never cared about foils, even when they were introduced (to compete with pokemon iirc)

some of the recent showcase cards have just looked fantastic, though. i appreciate that they have been making alt art/border commons and uncommons, so they're not so daunting to collect

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Point of No Return

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Is the gameplay turn based/atb? Or is it more like phantasy star online or monster hunter?

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i liked all of nintendo's free updates to mario 35

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in your defense, i've had the colors change on me without clicking on anything, but that usually just resets me to default blue

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yes

although i haven't played the new game, i hear he's ruined or something

the way he just punches through cutscenes to end them early is what seals the deal for me

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Lord Ephraim posted...

My job is still doing the honor system. They're too afraid to mandate vaccines because no one wears masks. There was anonymous survey and 39% of people will quit if they mandate vaccines.

Oh yeah. My company was sending around a vaccine poll. I lied and said I didn't have it because I just really don't want to go back to the office

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I've been carrying mine in my wallet just in case, but they've never asked

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tombolo

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Since I've been fully vaccinated, plenty.

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Place

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guys i think we should add Iroquois Pliskin to the list as well

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thanos was a moron with no creativity

if he can snap his fingers to kill half the people because there isn't enough space for all the people, why not just snap your fingers to make twice as much space?

curious

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GranzonEx posted...

Congratulations

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Yeah, Winona is the exact type of luck based deck that makes me wonder why we bothered to play magic when we could have just rolled dice

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You all are overrating how scarring it is to find out Chris Chan is committing family/elder abuse.

Did we grow up on the internet or not?

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god damnit. i had vindicate in my guess list and i erased it at the last second for hydroid krasis out of nowhere, i get no epoints now

good choice though!

i remember pulling this from an apocalypse pack (was too young/without income to really go to events still)

https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/large/front/2/a/2a1bfefd-dae8-49e9-9d56-cc852e3dc93b.jpg?1562904968

and thinking to myself "yes"

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Dantezoid posted...

I don't know if I agree? My playtime was around 20ish hours which I seem to recall looking average and I didn't look anything up. The game gives you a map of info youve found, with links,, which prods you in the right direction

i supposed the concept of a "lot" is subjective. another 10 hours would have felt like a lot to me, given that i already pretty much knew what i had to do and which planets i needed to search for the last clues

some of those planets are biiiiiig

and i guess nobody told me that there were only specific points on the planets that stuff could be

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I love old, bad, big creatures.

Phyrexian dreadnought is the one that always comes to mind for me

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