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Nice. Off to a good start.

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Gotta start out dramatic, of course

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MegamanX posted...

Raiders QB Steal @StealThisSheen (OMAHAAAAAA)

This is clearly what was missing most and I'm ready for all the super bowls

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Aww yeah go Raiders

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I scored four touchdowns in a single game for Polk Hig-... The Raiders.

Nice.

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MysteriousStan posted...

Noooo! Screw you, Raiders!

Oh nice! Getting a 3rd round pick is great value for a bust of a 2nd round WR!

Twirling our mustaches deviously in victory

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Suck it, Foles.

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Mediocre mobility wins the day again!

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Hey, we're not dead yet!

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Got the LR Black from another pull on that, then got LR Androids from the 55 tickets. Didn't have them, so I'm pleased.

I think after like a year of absolutely trash pulls, my luck all came at once during this anniversary. Ended up getting both Gogeta and Vegito, got Black, got Kefla from the Black banner, got an LR I didn't have from the 55 tickets, and I've got over 500 of both red and yellow coins from saving them.

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The game isn't connected to the internet the entire time, so it'd literally have to download an update just for that announcement, which seems pointless when they can just announce it on Twitter.

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SmartMuffin posted...

Do they get it wrong by a factor of 200x?

Like if someone is buying something that costs $10, and you ask them to guess what the sales tax will be, do they guess that it will be $500?

...You do realize that you just proved my point that people suck at percentages, right?

Based on your example, for 200x the sales tax on $10 to be $500, it'd have to be $2.50.

That'd be 25%.

You just estimated sales tax at 25%.

Which is more than double what it is anywhere in the country, and almost 4x the average. And that's of combined state/local tax averages.

EDIT: And I know you're going to "But 4x isn't 200x!" to try to save face, but you were off by that much on ten dollars, compared to people taking two seconds to guess a percentage based on millions.

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SmartMuffin posted...

Why would they pick a "low number such as 10%" and not a low number such as 5%? Or 1%?

If you asked them what percentage of people are billionaires, do you suppose the average answer would also be 10%?

Because those types of percentages aren't dealt with commonly. People are used to dealing with much smaller numbers. You never get 1% or 5% of 10 people, for instance. You wouldn't get 1% of anything less than 100. So while it may make sense if you take the time to think about it, most people don't think in those situations. People are used to dealing with 10%, 25%, 50%, and so on. Not 1%, 0.3%, etc.

Like said, people struggle to figure out sales tax. People just don't work with percentages often that's not something simple like 25% or 50%.

EDIT: That's why sales always use those nice, easy to comprehend amounts. You never see "17% off Pepsi products this week!"

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SmartMuffin posted...

I completely agree with everything except the bold.

People are, in fact, just picking a percentage. And I think on average, they do, in fact, appreciate that 10% = "1 out of every 10 people." And my point is that it's absolutely fucking insane to believe that one out of every 10 people in the US have died from COVID. If people just thought about their own circle of friends, it would basically mean that everyone should personally know 10 to 20 people who have died from it...

The average person is not going to put that much thought into it. Again, it's a poll question, not a math test.

They're going to pick a low number, such as 10%, and not give it any more thought. They're not going to reason out their answer and discover why it doesn't make sense.

Besides, like LotM said, it doesn't take many people to be wrong, the average is going to skew high, anyway.

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It's not even really about being a moron. It's about percentages just being hard to conceptualize unless you constantly deal with huge numbers on a regular basis.

To the average person, 10% is really, really low, because 10% of 10 people is 1 person. 10% of 100 people is 10 people, and so on.

People aren't sitting there with scratch paper answering these things as if it's a test. They're just picking a percentage that, to them, is really low, because they often don't deal with percentages under 1%.

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Muffin, what you're literally arguing is that if the pollsters went to people that answered the average, 9%, and said "So you think 30 million people have died?" they'd say "YUP, I SURE DO."

No. The average person is going to go "Oh, wait, no."

People. Suck. At. Percentages.

People can't figure out fucking sales tax on a $10.00 purchase. You think they can figure this out?

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You ask anybody to name the percentage of the US population that does ANYTHING and the average person is going to be wrong, period.

The average person doesn't know how many people live in the country.
The average person isn't going to sit there and actually do the math even if they have a vague idea of how many people are in the country.
The average person considers anything under 10-20% to be a low number.

EDIT: Hell, I'd say the average person considers anything under 30% to be a low number. Anything under 10-15 to be REALLY low. Because the average person doesn't compute with numbers that large daily.

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SmartMuffin posted...

The survey asked for a percentage, not a number.

...Yes, and that's the problem with it. The average person can't convert the number to a percentage on a whim.

It doesn't mean they think there are more deaths than they are. It just means the average person either sucks at math, doesn't know the population, or any other number of obvious factors.

Of course asking people a percentage is going to give stupidly wrong results.

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The media is literally reporting the number. People just have no clue how many people actually live in the country, which is why guesses aren't going to be accurate.

EDIT: As one of the comments says, people aren't good at estimating percentages at all. The average person doesn't grasp the difference between 0.3% and 3% on the daily. They just think "3's a low number."

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Yeah, they tell you to remember them.

And it's not 25-30 minutes later. It's much less.

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Well, they want only $100 a week, if anything, and I'm starting to honestly believe at this point that they don't think it matters what they do or say, all they have to say is "MAGA 2020" and they'll win.

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Like, this basically says it all

What a short-term extension would look like was still under discussion by GOP senators Wednesday.
The discussions come down to the duration, how long and at what price point, said Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.).

They literally have no fucking idea what they want, so it can't go anywhere, even on just a short-term extension.

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Corrik7 posted...

Democrats came out against short term extensions and said they wouldn't do one which made it unlikely. So, I mean, they had their lines drawn on that one.

They're against a short term extension being used to put off anything else. Especially since Republicans have been fighting over lowering the amount for the extension in the first place.

But the point is it doesn't really matter at this point because it hasn't even reached Democrats. They can't actually take a stand because they don't know what they're taking a stand for or against since there's so much internal fighting on the other side. Some just want to extend the $600, some want to lower it to $400, some want to lower it to $200 or even $100, and some don't want it at all.

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Corrik7 posted...

Well, Democrats were against the short extension. Republicans wanted it to negotiate. So, I assume Democrats won that one.

Apparently Trump himself wants a long term extension and not a short one.

Well, right. Republicans want a short extension to use as a starting point to argue for a much lower amount going forward.

And that's on top of Republican in-fighting on the extension as is.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/07/22/mark-meadows-walks-back-possibility-of-short-term-unemployment-extension/amp/

Does anyone know what is going on at this point

They've backed themselves into a corner

The facts say it's necessary

But their narrative is that an unemployment boost of any kind is unnecessary because things are opened back up/need to open back up and it'll all just correct itself.

They don't want to abandon that narrative because it means they'd have to walk back a bunch of other things.

But they also know they're fucked otherwise

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/RetiredMaybe/status/1285672867678617601?s=19

Apparently, people linked to the full story in the comments which says the cops were called because he was riding the bike through the store and yelling at people, and refused to leave when asked to.

EDIT: Granted, I dug through the comments a bit and couldn't find any links, so Iunno if that's true or not.

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Just starting this.

Is it worth it to reroll for SSRs at the beginning?

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Corrik7 posted...

The difference is more than 2 months, like I said I was being generous with it.

10 months is actually the norm. Most are 10 months. Some give the option to spread that 10 month pay over 12 months.

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Teachers don't accrue PTO, which will make up some of that difference between 10 months and 12. Their benefits are also going to just be worse in general, meaning more out of pocket.

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Corrik7 posted...

Unless you act the same regarding something that kills more children, then you are just being hypocritical.

That's like saying "Well, sure, your child was shot, but more children die in car accidents."

It's something that shouldn't have happened, period.

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And to expand a bit... Basically, talk the same whether you have 5 viewers or 50 or 500.

I watch a bunch of different sized streams, and the best ones basically talk as if they're talking with a group of friends instead of at a chat of X amount of people. It makes it feel more personal and makes it easier for the viewer to get into whatever you're doing and feel like they're a part of it. But likewise, if you're making comments about people leaving, that can feel personal, too, and make people feel awkward about coming and going from your stream.

It can be tough to keep that mindset, but it's better to try to present it moreso as "I'm here playing a game with all my buds" instead of "I'm here playing a game for all of you viewers," if that makes sense.

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Punnyz posted...

I'm starting to learn the behaviors with viewers. I've learned they come and go, people are fickle. And thats fine. at a certain point I just started questioning out loud the motives of these people. Like, why come into an RPG playthrough for 20 seconds. Was wondering if its something to do with me or if I'm not a good streamer or host. I think I came off whinier than I should've because at the end, when b8ers were leaving, they were like "Don't be sad, i'm gonna leave" lol. I wasn't beating myself up or complaining. These thoughts were just running through my head and I figured I'd say them outloud since I was hosting and to keep some talking going. but I should probably not do that either

This is definitely big. The last thing you want to do, especially as a smaller streamer, is talk about viewer count/viewers leaving/whatever in any way. It's awkward and is more likely to turn people off.

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The relief bill includes additional funds for testing/contact tracing and the CDC. Trump opposes those and instead wants funds included in the relief bill for things that have nothing to do with the virus/relief, such as for a new FBI building.

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I mean, if they believe Heyman was a catalyst to getting them fired, whether he made the final decision or not, then they have a right to be mad at Heyman.

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That said, regarding the Crews stuff... Crews became champion on May 25th, which, yes, was the day George Floyd died, but it wasn't news at that point. It didn't blow up until the following few days, so it's very unlikely Crews being champ was a reaction to that.

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I don't really understand why this is an argument.

"This piece of shit wanted them fired."
"No, it was this piece of shit!"

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Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game for Polk High.

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Basically, what he's saying is that if Trump makes a promise, but bungles the articulation of it, then if anybody later that voted for him based on that promise gets upset for him not upholding that promise, his people can go "He never made that promise. You just interpreted it that way."

And the voters will go "Oh, I guess I did."

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ZaziGuado posted...

So his inability to articulately and accurately express his intentions is a positive for him because he, as you politely put it, overpromises. So either he makes sense and what he said doesn't happen or what he said doesn't make sense and gets misinterpreted which leads to unmet expectations. Neither of these is a positive thing, so I again ask how his saying things that can be easily misinterpreted is a positive characteristic.

It's not to the average person, he's saying it's positive to Trump since the people that buy into it are dumb enough to accept being blamed for the "misinterpretations."

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...How is Color Splash a puzzle game?

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Soccer players are spread out along the entire field for much of the game.

Football players spend every play literally all huddled together trying to grapple with each other.

There's a pretty decent difference.

Like, neither should be happening, but equating the two is also silly.

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Walmart usually has one. Maybe not a whole aisle but a section. It's typically by the taco sauces/seasonings.

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Corrik7 posted...

Everything you argued was absolutely wrong

What I said:

+She's an employee
That is correct.

+As an employee, she must follow the ethics regulations
Ooh, two in a row!

+Her being unpaid does not change her official status as an employee of the executive.
Is that correct? Survey says... Ding ding ding, absolutely!

+The NRLA doesn't apply to federal employees
Also correct, damn he's good! He's heating up!

+The other ruling you were trying to cite (regarding the FLSA pay regulations) also doesn't apply to federal employees of the executive.
HE'S ON FIRE! Stunningly correct once again!

It looks like everything he said was right, folks! Unbelievable! An owning of this magnitude hasn't been seen in any lifetime! This announcer can't believe it! Surely a performance for the record books!

Goodbye forever, Corrik. Consider this a pity ignore, for I don't want to accidentally destroy you in an argument ever again. I wouldn't want to cause you that kind of suffering.

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In fact, honestly, I think I gotta ignore Corrik from now on, guys. I just can't look at his username anymore without feeling the intense amount of shame radiating from it that he's feeling right now, so I guess this will be the last time I argue with him.

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lmao you got so owned you're trying to make up anything you can to scrape up any bit of dignity you can find left

Unbelievable. I won this argument so hard with fact after fact after fact, and your arguments just splintered into thousands of pieces. This may have been the biggest debate win in history. It's such a huge fucking win I kinda can't believe it, myself.

Me: Argument A
Corrik: Argument A is wrong, see? ....Oh, shit, Argument A is right. Well, Argument B isn't right.
Me: Argument B is also right.
Corrik: OH SHIT IT IS what do i do what do i do

lmao

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lmao are you trying to move the goalposts now

I said: "She can't do this because she's an employee."
You said: "She's not an employee."

I am right. That's literally all there is to this argument.

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It's not a special circumstance.

It's her agreeing to be an employee.

Because a federal employee of the executive is a federal employee of the executive, paid or not.

She wasn't an official employee before, so she didn't have to comply with ethics regulations.

She agreed to become an employee, and so now she does.

There's literally nothing special about that part.

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The White House says President Trump has a new special assistant on his staff his daughter Ivanka. The announcement comes a week after the president's oldest daughter moved into her own office in the West Wing to work on women's issues.
Her shift from an informal adviser at the White House to an unpaid government employee is small but important. She was already applying for security clearance, had access to classified information and was meeting with world leaders.
But she did not have to abide by ethics rules, which concerned many ethics experts who said it would allow her to skirt some rules and disclosures.
In a statement, she says she was voluntarily complying with all ethics rules, but was aware of the concerns about advising her father in a personal capacity.
"I will instead serve as an unpaid employee in the White House Office, subject to all of the same rules as other federal employees. Throughout this process I have been working closely and in good faith with the White House Counsel and my personal counsel to address the unprecedented nature of my role," she said.

Literally from her own fucking mouth.

She PREVIOUSLY didn't have to abide by rules, but now she does.

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Corrik7 posted...

You can't be expected to receive benefits yes. Like, she can't work for free with the understanding that someone else will work for free for her down the road in return. It doesn't mean she can't have an office or ride on a plane. Unpaid staffers have their own desks or lockers or use of transportation in companies all the time. She can't be expecting to receive a benefit that has a monetary value down the line. Which, I mean, you could definitely argue she is expecting something, but likely as long as it is not agreed upon specifically it wouldn't infringe on whether she is an employee or not.

She, however, is not an employee.

The question is does she have public office. And, I have no idea because the term seems nowhere clearly defined.

Show me where the link you posted talks about federal jobs. The NRLA is private sector.

She's an employee. They literally announced she's an employee when it happened.

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Also, your link is about a National Labor Relations Board ruling. The NRLA is only over private sector jobs.

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