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wg64Z posted...

How does it not? I've already explained to you that by me seeing my favorite streamers pull big cards, it has enticed me to buy them myself. Devs notice that, which is why they pay these popular streamers to do big release day events.

What are you not getting here?

Nothing you said is even close to "Devs have changed gacha games because of Twitch" which was your initial assertion.

Trying to drum up popularity through popular Twitch streamers is not Twitch changing the game in some way. It's marketing.

Twitch has had literally 0 impact on gacha.
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ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...

<unsolicited opinions???>

Please leave. I'm trying to read foolmo's very solicited opinions.
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wg64Z posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loot_box

...Yes?

Loot boxes come from gacha's popularity/success, which is entirely independent of Twitch

I know you're pissed at Twitch for some reason, maybe a failed attempt to get big there or whatever, but this argument literally doesn't make sense.
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wg64Z posted...

Not trying to blame it, but it did fuel developers (and more so their parent companies) and I think its insane not to think it had some influence. Given that it influenced me a number of times.

Gacha is biggest in Japan and has been for some time. A majority of gacha games come from the Japanese/Korean market and are later released here. Twitch has not been prevalent in those markets until recently, and still isn't in Japan, really

It literally doesn't make sense to say Twitch influenced gacha.
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You don't function well in society, do you
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ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

<schizophrenic ramblings>

Are you okay?

How is anything in his post schizophrenic? Or are you just using "schizophrenic ramblings" as some time of generic insult?

No wonder you're how you are.
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wg64Z posted...

Are you kidding me? The fact that you could see other people get the BIG or RARE things is a massive factor in people buying them themselves. Twitch is by far the biggest and best place to show off those fat loots so that your target audience sees it on their favorite streamer and clamors to buy it themselves.

You don't feel the need to get something if you never see it. And Twitch is the biggest window into what you could be getting.

There was a time where if my favorite Hearthstone streamers were stomping with a deck that I didn't have the cards for, I'd log in and buy packs to hope to either get the cards, or enough dust to make them. You'd be crazy to not think Twitched fueled that fire.

I mean all of this happens literally by just playing the games, where they always advertise the newest gacha pull banner with the newest characters/cards/whatever as soon as you boot it up. Gacha is pretty much gambling, which appeals to the most basic human nature of "I want that," then entices you by making you think you could get it.

You sound super biased. Trying to blame gacha of all things on Twitch is asinine.
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wg64Z posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

wg64Z posted...

Lootbox/Card pack openings, for one. They always had HUGE turnout and made money themselves, which pushed Gacha even more.

That and every big game ever needs to have some kind of competitive multiplayer in order to stay hip and cool with the youths.

I feel like both of these things were already big before Twitch got huge itself, and so it was moreso people on Twitch taking advantage of trends than dictating trends themselves.

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that game devs took notice and tried to take advantage. Doesn't make what I said untrue.

Nah, I'm not sure they did. Gacha got big because gacha makes money, regardless of Twitch existing or not. That's not something that can be attributed to Twitch at all, it was well on the rise before that.
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The fact that Republican lawmakers still, to this day, are tripping over each other trying to get on Trump's teat is just laughable

He has proved he has literally no loyalty to them and yet they still do everything they can to please him
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wg64Z posted...

Lootbox/Card pack openings, for one. They always had HUGE turnout and made money themselves, which pushed Gacha even more.

That and every big game ever needs to have some kind of competitive multiplayer in order to stay hip and cool with the youths.

I feel like both of these things were already big before Twitch got huge itself, and so it was moreso people on Twitch taking advantage of trends than dictating trends themselves.
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Peace___Frog posted...

I don't have stats for this, but I'm fairly certain that in western markets, fortnite is bigger than league/dota/hon/hots were at their peaks combined.

I assume he means as far as like actually showing up in games and the like. For awhile, everything was suddenly a MOBA or had MOBA-like elements.
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The battle royale craze has mostly kept to games where it makes sense, anyway. Like, CoD having a battle royale mode makes sense and feels like a logical next step for the series.

I'd be curious to see where else people think Twitch has apparently changed focus, though.
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Underleveled posted...

Day 1 updates

Release the game finished damnit.

This always seemed like a silly complaint to me since it's basically saying "Okay you can't do anything for the month or whatever after the game goes gold until it releases." I'd rather they use that time to fix/finish things that come up than to have delays all the time.
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Helping somebody cheat is pretty lame and scummy BUT you didn't really do anything "wrong." It's not like you were the one pushing for it or anything.

It happened and it's not like you're defending it or saying it isn't scummy so I see no real issue.

Fair, next.
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Finding some other way to somehow nerf the ability could make sense, but basically ruining it by doing stuff like including weapons or offensive magic is dumb since it makes Mac completely devoid of value.
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I'll be honest, I don't even fully believe that WWE thought far ahead enough to actually plan to use Asuka's streak to put over Carmella. I almost think "Put Charlotte over Asuka" and "Put Carmella over Charlotte" were two completely independent thoughts that they lacked the foresight to realize what it'd mean in the end because the writers are just that bad.
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Eddv posted...

I said "people werent interested in staying to see Asuka win" which is really the only thing you need to stay to the end for.

I think overall Lopen has the right of it - while Becky and Ronda are over enough to anchor main events they dont REALLY have anyone able to fight them that are any level of popular other than maybe Charlotte because shes the only heel even remotely close to them.

Lopen's more or less agreeing with us though that women main eventing aren't yet a big draw, not that people just aren't interested in seeing Asuka win. The first very much doesn't really imply the latter in any way.
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Yeah, if your argument is "People won't stay for their favorite wrestler if they don't like the opponent," then that literally can't be used to prove or disprove how over somebody is, since Ronda didn't get people to stay despite being over, so you can't say "People left because Asuka isn't over."
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Eddv posted...

Or because Nia Jax sucks.

I would walk out of a Nia Jax match.

You would walk out of anything that wasn't a Cena strip tease
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Eddv posted...

Couldn't be that the least popular one was guaranteed to win.

That doesn't explain them walking out on a Ronda win

It's almost as if your logic is faulty and Rock is right that it's more a case of house show crowds just aren't into the women main eventing yet
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Why does Ross, the largest friend, not simply eat the other five?
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swirIdude posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

P5 desperately needs more party scenes. P5 blows the rest of the series away in most things, but it's probably the worst when it comes to making the party actually feel like a cohesive group or anything even resembling friends. Outside of maybe Ryuji, they all just feel like people with similar goals that wouldn't actually have anything to do with each other if it wasn't for that instead of people brought together by those goals and becoming something more.

So like P3?

Even P3 had scenes of the party interacting that felt like them naturally having fun. They're no P4, but P5 just took a nosedive in the opposite direction.
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Eddv posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Outside of maybe Ryuji, they all just feel like people with similar goals that wouldn't actually have anything to do with each other if it wasn't for that instead of people brought together by those goals and becoming something more

This is thematically sort of the point you know.

But at the end the game literally pretends they're all super close as if they actually had the scenes and buildup that the game blatantly lacks.
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Maybe Trump himself isn't sure if Santa's real or not and is trying to get insight from others, so that he knows if he needs to build a wall to the north or not to keep that illegal out.
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My mom tried to buy me Monster Hunter World for Christmas, but she's been real sick so she bought it online when it was on sale. What she didn't know was that doing "Pick up in store" means they only hold it for that day/the price only counts for that day. She went in a few days later when she was feeling better and asked to pick it up/didn't realize the price didn't hold. When she asked if there was a mistake (since it hadn't yet been explained to her), the girl working there got super bitchy about it so my mom just left.

She went back a few days later since she hadn't found it anywhere else and a guy was working. She asked about the policy to better understand it and the guy ended up giving it to her for the sale price she originally tried to get online and was super nice about it.

It really does depend on the employee.
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Nanis23 posted...

But you see foolmo,
Johnbobb, Drakeryn and Omniscientless might not agree with me. And it's fine. They posted their opinion, they disagreed, I read their post and respected their opinion and all is fine.
The difference is, they didn't personally attack me. This is what you are doing. Always.

You can never have a discussion, you just attack whoever you don't agree with, you just shit on their opinion like anyone having an opinion different to you just doesn't count.
This is why I will never respect you, this is why nobody should respect you. You are just pathetic loser that instead of saying "I don't agree with this, and this is why" you go and say "your opinion is shit because it's shit" wow good job dude

Cut the condescending bullshit. You are a hypocrite to the highest degree. You keep talking down on people for acting how you "used" to act, but you haven't changed a single bit.

You can't tell people to fuck off with that attitude until you actually change instead of just saying you've changed.

Fuck off until then.
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So how difficult/involved was getting to that point, if you had to do it again with the knowledge you have now?
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P5 desperately needs more party scenes. P5 blows the rest of the series away in most things, but it's probably the worst when it comes to making the party actually feel like a cohesive group or anything even resembling friends. Outside of maybe Ryuji, they all just feel like people with similar goals that wouldn't actually have anything to do with each other if it wasn't for that instead of people brought together by those goals and becoming something more.
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Stamina spirit battles are pretty easy. Just hit and run.
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Hope everything works out
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red13n posted...

People dont realize how many deep red areas border deep blue areas of california.

We are a very diverse state.

Yeah well only the deep blue areas are problems duuuuh any idiot knows that
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I'll pull on it because I like Hit and would really like UI Goku
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you again?
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Because they really want to drive in that you've wasted 17 years of your life here
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XIII_rocks posted...

You can also detach your disgust for the company from the shows they put on (as many are still doing).

I mean I think most of us here do that

But it's the shows causing the disgust
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This really sounds like "I see complaints I don't agree with and so I just assume people are just making them up to complain about something, so you're at fault"

Like, you're acting like just because some people might complain just to complain, that somehow makes most of the complaints invalid and it absolves WWE of most of the blame. That's pretty ridic.
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I think my favorite example of that is when a certain user in this topic is all for playing politics and goes "I'm so happy right now!" whenever the right takes advantage of something, but when the left do it, he immediately starts going "H-h-h-how could you?! You're so mean!"
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Jakyl25 posted...

Trump is not allowing Mattis to go gracefully. Instead of 2 months from now, hes out on 1/1

Anybody surprised?

For as much as the right uses the term, Trump is the biggest "snowflake" of them all.
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"one of" sure but a lot of characters have bad recovery and he's not the worst so I don't get the topic
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That said, stuff like this Ali push does give me some hope
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XIII_rocks posted...

It's their fault for overreacting to relatively innocuous things and making mountains out of molehills. That's the whole point. WWE booking can be bad and dumb but smarks exaggerate just how bad it is and just how often it's that bad.

I used to think this and was one of their biggest defenders in this topic... But as time passed, I can't agree with this.

Right now, WWE really is that bad.

I can only agree with that if we're looking exclusively at RAW. Smackdown is still good and NXT/205 Live/UK/MYC are all great.

I'll give you NXT/205/etc., and those are conveniently the mostly Vince-free products (pattern much?) The issue there is NXT does get kinda dry between Takeovers, though not bad, certainly... And 205 is treated as such an after thought that no matter how many great shows they put on, it's never going to get anybody over because WWE doesn't do anything to allow it.

Smackdown I'll... Half agree. There are things it does really well, and things it does not quite as well. The issue is that Smackdown is definitely treated like the B show, and the stank from RAW creeps into PPVs/kinda hangs over them like an ever present cloud of suck, which kills the mood in general.
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XIII_rocks posted...

It's their fault for overreacting to relatively innocuous things and making mountains out of molehills. That's the whole point. WWE booking can be bad and dumb but smarks exaggerate just how bad it is and just how often it's that bad.

I used to think this and was one of their biggest defenders in this topic... But as time passed, I can't agree with this.

Right now, WWE really is that bad.
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Fight fight everybody but don't change your clothes
Fight fight except for Vegeta, you wear a yellow shirt
Fight fight oh man now look at all those new foes
Fight fight we'll win but not for another hundred episodes

FIGHT DRAGON FIGHT FIGHT LOVE DRAGON FIGHT

Fight fight everyone for peace and for love
Fight fight quick Goku now go drive a car momentarily
Fight fight wait are those all new foes up above
Fight fight no it's just Frieza back again, don't you love it

FIGHT DRAGON FIGHT FIGHT LOVE DRAGON FIGHT

DRAGON FIIIIIIGHT

See I just did the new theme song and I'm pretty sure it will be spot on
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"Congratulations 17 you won the tournament and wished back the universes all is saved. ...Huh. Guess the game's over. ..................But oh wait who is that over there it's Jockitch #37b a villain with the power to undo what 17 just did by destroying the omniverse. Who can save the day? Why it's Goku with the power to save two omniverses!

...

And his hair is MAGENTAAAA!"

-Dragon Ball
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Dragon Ball is canon just the imagination of some kid playing with a bunch of chip clips at his Aunt Edna's and making shit up as he goes
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mnkboy907 posted...

Ava was the most reasonable of the five tbqh, and she was the only one that actually did anything useful. She may have been what caused the bell to toll or whatever, but it was Aced who was the dumbest and sped things up the most. Him wanting to stop the end of the world is essentially what sent the world on the path to ruin.

In terms of biggest idiots Aced > Ira > Gula > Invi > Ava. Maybe swap Invi/Gula.

I guess there's room for Ava to drop if her Dandelions turn out to be huge fuck ups too, but as of what I've seen now, she's fine.

Wasn't Aced like the only one who was like "You know guys the war is avoidable" and the others were like "GASP NO THE FUTURE IS WRITTEN"

Like, his actions were short sighted, yeah, but I give him points a bit for being like "yo this is stupid"
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TheRock1525 posted...

I just appreciate that Katie's Marth is a huge shitbag.

Finally something we agree on
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mnkboy907 posted...

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mnkboy907 posted...

If you guys read the Twitter thread most of your objections were addressed!

Yeah but I'm not satisfied with "Marth doesn't recognize K. Rool's sovereignty" because it doesn't make sense so rabble rabble rabble

Would you recognize if the somewhat bigger lizard in your backyard declared itself ruler over the other smaller lizards in your backyard?

Well that basically describes Bowser, but everything suggests the Kremlings either chose K. Rool or atleast recognize his sovereignty!
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mnkboy907 posted...

If you guys read the Twitter thread most of your objections were addressed!

Yeah but I'm not satisfied with "Marth doesn't recognize K. Rool's sovereignty" because it doesn't make sense so rabble rabble rabble
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Mewtwo59 posted...

Well there's the Bowser Kingdom in Odyssey, so he has to be recognized by something.

K. Rool has an entire race under his command! He's atleast as much of a king as Ganondorf is, which is more than Bowser since Bowser pretty much just has an army.
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